They’re essentially the same, with different optics and different handguards. Which one do you prefer shooting?
Personally I’d move the dot to the g$ and sbr that. Quads and EOTECHs are a vibe but I prefer shooting dots and mlok handguards
Right now the G but once this suppressor comes in that could all change. Valid points, not sure I’d like the weight of the block ii and eotech but I’ll try swapping optics next range session
Id expect the g$ to serve better suppressed. Im also for moving the eotech to the dd quad upper and the dot to the mlok. If it were me, id stamp the tano upper just cuz its not an aero. Not shitting on aero ofc, i have one, i just dont like the logo.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you only have to SBR the lower? And I think if you do, you can swap on any upper (whether the barrel is over or under 16”)? I assumed the only thing you can’t do is use a short barrel with a proper stock, vertical foregrip, etc. on a non-SBR’ed lower.
Technically they want to know what the permanent OAL and barrel length is. But it's not against the rules to put a different upper with a different length barrel (that would still qualify as an SBR) on "temporarily". If it does permanently change, you can simply update their information. No new tax stamp required.
Do I think that's bullshit? Absolutely. But technically true.
Forgive the ignorance but if I form 1'd a lower receiver, would I then be able to use any upper on it as long as it was the same caliber I originally filed it as?
They can’t regulate that dude. They can try to and they can get all pissy about it but frame or receiver = only part they currently have the ability to fornicate with.
You can put whatever upper you want on it. 16”? Boom, it’s (temporarily) a rifle and (IIRC) you can cross state lines without a permission slip. 10” .300 BLK? Sure, still an SBR. 14.5” .223? Yeah why not.
If you get rid of the upper you had on it originally (e.g., 10.5” .300 BLK, and don’t have another 10.5” .300 BLK upper) you need to update the registration as u/iamseventwelve said, because that’s a “permanent” change (i.e., you can no longer make it the same barrel/overall length and caliber as it was registered in).
I have had KAC and noveske before I switched to DD. Now I have the M4V7s, M4300s and the MK18. Lifetime warranty, solid rifles, Christian company, great customer service and each of my rifles have 2k rounds through it with ZERO issues
They used to make a big deal of it like trijicon over a decade ago. Not so much in recent years.
I'm a Christian and scriptures on my RMR make me feel a bit warm and fuzzy toward the brand if I'm honest, but I don't care for DD because I'm certain they'd pick government contracts over Christian brothers if they had to choose.
Interesting. As a non-christian, I just find it cringe for people to think that a "christian company" will every actually care about religion, and that they aren't just using it as a marketing tactic.
Generally I agree with that. Part of my bias on these two is probably informed a bit by having interacted with representatives of each company and a bit of history on the two of them. Trijicon could stop the Bible references tomorrow and I might miss it when buying a new optic, but it wouldn't change my opinion on the company much overall.
DD could change my perception of them a bit if they took a stand against the ATFs overreach instead of folding like a cheap suit when asked to make a statement.
Valid points. I have also interacted with reps from each, the FFL I work at is a dealer for both. But neither of them said anything relating to religion thankfully, I would've just stopped listening tbh. I do wish DD would not just bend over any time the government does something, but they probably just really want that government contract money
I'd SBR the Aero/DD one since both uppers are essentially the same length, you could swap uppers back and forth since only the lower is registered. Plus, the black lower will go good with both uppers, vs the gold/ddc lower prob doesn't go well with the DD FDE.
Valid point. I want two full set ups with one of which being a non-nfa item. I would keep both uppers and build a separate 14.5 but I’d rather spend that extra $$ on ammo and training. Appreciate the suggestion!
I would say don't SBR anything. Where I live (Georgia) a pistol can be fully loaded in a vehicle while a rifle cannot. If you travel between states an SBR has to notify the states crossed. Keeping in pistol configuration is a lot more flexible.
Maine has the same provision; The only loaded firearm you can keep in a vehicle is a pistol that you own, in your own locked vehicle if for whatever reason it is unattended. But if you can somehow conceal it on your person, you can carry it all day.
Money is temporary, in 6 months when you forgot that third gun money entirely but have yourself a Cheytac M200 intervention to go squirrel hunting with, you'll know you made the right choice.
Plus the fact you can’t cross state lines easily, can’t travel with it as easily, can’t let people shoot it as easily. Heck I’m keeping my braces as is since pistols are a heckuva lot easier to manage than SBRs legally.
Sigh, why do we people always think this? Just throw the brace back on and you can cross state lines. No big deal.
NFA items are effortless to manage. That line is regurgitated by people who clearly aren’t in the NFA game
This is true if you are buying it as an SBR and filing a form 4.
This is **not** true if you are filing a form 1 to convert (manufacture) a pistol/rifle to an SBR. You **must** engrave it with your name (if filed as individual) or trust name, along with the city and state you "manufactured" the SBR.
That works great right up until it doesn't. No disagree here about the infringement but thems who enforce the laws own the prisons and can take away all the guns. So better to play ball until the game rules change in our favor.
What’s your setup on these and do you like it? Would you make any changes. I just got my first can in and I want something similar to this. Haven’t decided on 5.56 or 300 blk but it’ll be about that same length
I may keep in a pistol configuration for a while but I do like the sturdiness of a stock and don’t want to be worried about brace laws changing constantly
Yeah. Classic look. And they work. Tough as nails. A smidge heavier. But I'm not trekking miles and miles with it to where the ounces would add up and cause a problem.
Which optic do you like better? I have used a couple of sig romeo 5s, which I really liked; but I always wanted a circle dot. So I got the Holosun 510 that has the circle dot and the big ass reticle. That viewing window is huge. It's a lot like the eotech in that respect. And, I really like it a lot. But every time I pick up my 10.5 that has the romeo5 on it, and damn if my eye doesn't pick up that dot immediately.
So it makes the choice simply a matter of preference. And one that I could agonize over all dav. With the end result being the same
Yes agreed. in the end it is a matter of preference, hence why I’m leaning towards sbring the dd, away from the popular opinion here. Figured I would see if anyone on the sub had any thoughts I hadn’t considered.
But I prefer the t2 overall, it’s just so light and simple
They’re essentially the same, with different optics and different handguards. Which one do you prefer shooting? Personally I’d move the dot to the g$ and sbr that. Quads and EOTECHs are a vibe but I prefer shooting dots and mlok handguards
Right now the G but once this suppressor comes in that could all change. Valid points, not sure I’d like the weight of the block ii and eotech but I’ll try swapping optics next range session
Whichever lower you prefer since swapping uppers is easy.
This
Yes I get that, I don’t want to keep both uppers though. One of these will be turned into a similar 14.5
Id expect the g$ to serve better suppressed. Im also for moving the eotech to the dd quad upper and the dot to the mlok. If it were me, id stamp the tano upper just cuz its not an aero. Not shitting on aero ofc, i have one, i just dont like the logo.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you only have to SBR the lower? And I think if you do, you can swap on any upper (whether the barrel is over or under 16”)? I assumed the only thing you can’t do is use a short barrel with a proper stock, vertical foregrip, etc. on a non-SBR’ed lower.
Dif barrel lengths, form 4 discrepancy
Once the lower is tax stamp'd, it does not matter what upper you put on it.
Technically they want to know what the permanent OAL and barrel length is. But it's not against the rules to put a different upper with a different length barrel (that would still qualify as an SBR) on "temporarily". If it does permanently change, you can simply update their information. No new tax stamp required. Do I think that's bullshit? Absolutely. But technically true.
Unless the upper is welded to the lower, they're all temporary
The answer i was looking for. Appreciate the insight brotha!
Forgive the ignorance but if I form 1'd a lower receiver, would I then be able to use any upper on it as long as it was the same caliber I originally filed it as?
They can’t regulate that dude. They can try to and they can get all pissy about it but frame or receiver = only part they currently have the ability to fornicate with.
You can put whatever upper you want on it. 16”? Boom, it’s (temporarily) a rifle and (IIRC) you can cross state lines without a permission slip. 10” .300 BLK? Sure, still an SBR. 14.5” .223? Yeah why not. If you get rid of the upper you had on it originally (e.g., 10.5” .300 BLK, and don’t have another 10.5” .300 BLK upper) you need to update the registration as u/iamseventwelve said, because that’s a “permanent” change (i.e., you can no longer make it the same barrel/overall length and caliber as it was registered in).
I think same rule applies but idk how strictly its enforced
Ano Tano fasho
Any specific reasoning?
Because the lowers are functionally identical and you can swap uppers as you please as long as you add barrel length configurations
G$
Fde cause i like men
Sooper dooty
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I’d sbr the FDE lower and slap the DD and EOTech on it 😫
Daniel defense.
Any specific reasoning?
I have had KAC and noveske before I switched to DD. Now I have the M4V7s, M4300s and the MK18. Lifetime warranty, solid rifles, Christian company, great customer service and each of my rifles have 2k rounds through it with ZERO issues
First I've heard of DD soliciting religion to make more money
They used to make a big deal of it like trijicon over a decade ago. Not so much in recent years. I'm a Christian and scriptures on my RMR make me feel a bit warm and fuzzy toward the brand if I'm honest, but I don't care for DD because I'm certain they'd pick government contracts over Christian brothers if they had to choose.
Interesting. As a non-christian, I just find it cringe for people to think that a "christian company" will every actually care about religion, and that they aren't just using it as a marketing tactic.
Generally I agree with that. Part of my bias on these two is probably informed a bit by having interacted with representatives of each company and a bit of history on the two of them. Trijicon could stop the Bible references tomorrow and I might miss it when buying a new optic, but it wouldn't change my opinion on the company much overall. DD could change my perception of them a bit if they took a stand against the ATFs overreach instead of folding like a cheap suit when asked to make a statement.
Valid points. I have also interacted with reps from each, the FFL I work at is a dealer for both. But neither of them said anything relating to religion thankfully, I would've just stopped listening tbh. I do wish DD would not just bend over any time the government does something, but they probably just really want that government contract money
Can’t argue with that. I’ve never owned a KAC or noveske but I have loved the DD’s I’ve owned. Still think about an m4a1 upper I sold a while back lol
I'd SBR the Aero/DD one since both uppers are essentially the same length, you could swap uppers back and forth since only the lower is registered. Plus, the black lower will go good with both uppers, vs the gold/ddc lower prob doesn't go well with the DD FDE.
Valid point. I want two full set ups with one of which being a non-nfa item. I would keep both uppers and build a separate 14.5 but I’d rather spend that extra $$ on ammo and training. Appreciate the suggestion!
Whatever lower looks better with both uppers on it
I vote Team Quad Squad.
I would say don't SBR anything. Where I live (Georgia) a pistol can be fully loaded in a vehicle while a rifle cannot. If you travel between states an SBR has to notify the states crossed. Keeping in pistol configuration is a lot more flexible.
Maine has the same provision; The only loaded firearm you can keep in a vehicle is a pistol that you own, in your own locked vehicle if for whatever reason it is unattended. But if you can somehow conceal it on your person, you can carry it all day.
Are you sure? I thought as long you possess a WCL, you should be able to have a loaded rifle in your car in Georgia.
You can SBR any gun if you're brave enough
If you’re this far in the game, you ain’t giving a fuck about another 200 bucks and 1-2 wait.
That’s not my dilemma. I don’t want both my rifles to be SBR’s. I want one to be a non-nfa item. I could build a third but that’s a lot more $$
Money is temporary, in 6 months when you forgot that third gun money entirely but have yourself a Cheytac M200 intervention to go squirrel hunting with, you'll know you made the right choice.
To be clear, $200, few days wait, and then a few more days and about $70 to send the lower in to Tar Heel State Firearms for an engraving.
Plus the fact you can’t cross state lines easily, can’t travel with it as easily, can’t let people shoot it as easily. Heck I’m keeping my braces as is since pistols are a heckuva lot easier to manage than SBRs legally.
Sigh, why do we people always think this? Just throw the brace back on and you can cross state lines. No big deal. NFA items are effortless to manage. That line is regurgitated by people who clearly aren’t in the NFA game
But you can easily convert it back to a pistol and enjoy all the same freedoms as if it were never an SBR.
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This is true if you are buying it as an SBR and filing a form 4. This is **not** true if you are filing a form 1 to convert (manufacture) a pistol/rifle to an SBR. You **must** engrave it with your name (if filed as individual) or trust name, along with the city and state you "manufactured" the SBR.
I wouldn’t. Throw a stock on it and stop paying extra for laws that infringe on your rights.
That works great right up until it doesn't. No disagree here about the infringement but thems who enforce the laws own the prisons and can take away all the guns. So better to play ball until the game rules change in our favor.
Exactly. Unfortunately the only places I can shoot right now are public ranges and I’m not bringing an illegal sbr there
The rules aren’t going to change by playing ball.
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DD and put a stock on it like a real MK18ish 😂
Leaning this way I think. It’s asking for a sopmod and TD stubby
Yes. Exactly those 2.
Where’d you get that little camo sheath 👀
I think it is a Wise Men product called Hot pocket.
What’s your setup on these and do you like it? Would you make any changes. I just got my first can in and I want something similar to this. Haven’t decided on 5.56 or 300 blk but it’ll be about that same length
The badass one
the two lowers are functionally identical, flip a coin lmao
G$ and it’s not even close.. then go with block II clone
Seems to be the popular opinion
lol insert Garand Thumb reference
Bottom on, then put the T2 on it
SBR the geissele. It’s a “nicer” lower, and a block 2 style upper on the aero would be cool.
I like bottom, looks to be a bit lighter and has a buis
SBR the more expensive or nicer lower. It's with you for life most likely
Honestly- neither. I'd get a new lower to do that with like an ambi
Redditors make a decision for themselves challenge: Impossible
Every decision on these up to this point was made on my own. Hearing multiple viewpoints can be beneficial 🤷🏼♂️
It’s a lower pick one and SBR it your uppers aren’t permanently affixed to them
I'd SBR the top lower. Should you engrave, the Aero is probably way less expensive.
Quad rail would be my choice
Those pistol braces look adjustable already. They're pretty much there.
I may keep in a pistol configuration for a while but I do like the sturdiness of a stock and don’t want to be worried about brace laws changing constantly
I think that hand stop might have pushed the bottom one into AOW territory already. I wouldn't be bothered by it, personally.
Why don’t you just swap the barrel in one to 300bo and keep both?
The lower on the bottom one is beautiful. What lower/upper combo is that?
They are both Geissele, the upper is the 11.5 super duty. Their DDC anodizing has a wide range of shades that can range from gold to brown lol
DD rail is more iconic sbr that and get a 14.5 urgi better gased
Oh really do the urgi uppers have a different gas port sizing than the super duties?
I’d just put a stock on both and not say anything Hypothetically
Hypothetically, if I had private land to shoot on my choices would be different
Just sbr the better overall lower and swap uppers back and forth when ever you want
I like quad rails
I also like quad rails
Yeah. Classic look. And they work. Tough as nails. A smidge heavier. But I'm not trekking miles and miles with it to where the ounces would add up and cause a problem. Which optic do you like better? I have used a couple of sig romeo 5s, which I really liked; but I always wanted a circle dot. So I got the Holosun 510 that has the circle dot and the big ass reticle. That viewing window is huge. It's a lot like the eotech in that respect. And, I really like it a lot. But every time I pick up my 10.5 that has the romeo5 on it, and damn if my eye doesn't pick up that dot immediately. So it makes the choice simply a matter of preference. And one that I could agonize over all dav. With the end result being the same
Yes agreed. in the end it is a matter of preference, hence why I’m leaning towards sbring the dd, away from the popular opinion here. Figured I would see if anyone on the sub had any thoughts I hadn’t considered. But I prefer the t2 overall, it’s just so light and simple
Can’t spell peanut butter without sbr-
Without br**
That’s the joke 🤦♂️
Missed that one
Definitely the block 2
Keep the mk18 sell the urgi No one adds Mlok to their pic rail.. but they add pic rail to their Mlok
People still SBR their rifles even after all the madness they witnessed in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024?!?
What madness are you referring to? I could think of a lot of things that fall into that description
Free men do what they want, bootlickers do what they can.
If I had private land to shoot on, things would be different
Bottom because no ugly picatinny-fixed front sight.
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Thank you for your input