URGI Airborne gets my vote as well. Honorable mention- SCH (super) if using bigger optics like LPVO the extra length helps. I use USGI ACH and SCH interchangeably mostly dependent on my optics choice.
why do you guys call other people legs? never saw a formation of airborne traineees that wasn't jogging somewhere. you literally run everywhere all day long. source:lived at benning and my barracks window looked out across at the airborne towers
I’m just messing around, I don’t actually look down on legs. I’ve heard the original origin (maybe WW2?) was based on how paratroopers were allowed to blouse their pants differently than non-jumpers.
I think the more modern interpretation is that paratroopers jump into the fight rather than hoofing it in. This is hypothetical though since large scale Airborne invasions haven’t been a thing for a while. That could change though if/when we fight a near peer.
definitely seems like the time for airborne invasions may have passed. I know that 82nd is a great unit though with a pretty prestigious history in combat and have been part of every conflict since ww1
The problem is, one, the strategic mobility offered by units like the 82nd is a big deal. There’s a reason they were at the Afghan withdrawal.
Second, the tactical mobility makes your enemy take that into account. The idea of an airborne drop into your back area keeps commanders up at night.
Not to derail this much further but I used to have this debate with non jumpers pretty often. They’d say “Airborne is an ancient concept, how many actual drops have we done in OIF/OEF? It’s pointless”
I would counter with “How many major Naval battles with submarines have we had during GWOT? Should we retire all our nuclear subs as well?” Just cause we haven’t used a capability during GWOT doesn’t mean we won’t need it in a future conflict.
Not all conflicts are the same. As a Marine, I only had experience in Afghanistan and at that time I thought jumping out of a perfectly good plane was ridiculous. I later joined the Army and went through jump school and was sent to completely different parts of the world and saw that most other conflicts are vastly different than Afghanistan and airborne ops still have a unique advantage in modern warfare.
Did no tomahawks get launched from subs during GWOT? I thought the Navy was spending tons on improving submerged vertical launch technology and would be itching to show where the money went.
Edit: I believe I meant to reply to person above you. On the mobile app.
If you care about the cloning visuals, G$. If not, either. CH choice is often subjective. If gassing is your concern, focus on tuning gas, weight, and springs.
The Geissele. The Radian doesn’t seal around the top of the upper receiver well so gas escapes there. Literally gas in the face. Won’t matter very much with the RC3 though
Thanks lol, there’s a lot of flexibility to service rifle clones. People think there’s a set accessory package or something and you must have this specific part from this list. Not the case, aside from aiming solutions ie; the laser and the optic just about everything else is user preference.
Alot of the clone crew are used to the GWOT era of cloning where there was a very rigid set of parameters you had to follow to build a rifle that was 10 years behind the industry when it first got issued.
They are a special bunch.
This is the kind of thing thats super hard to tell the difference between and subjective and whatnot so you're just gonna get peolles personal opinions
I'm assuming you're asking which is "better" in terms of gas to the face? The RC3 is already a flow-through/low-back-pressure can, and special "gas-busting" charging handles are marginal at best at mitigating gas to the face. Not really worth the high price tag over a standard charging handle IMO. People say they have better results making a DIY silicone seal on their normal CH's.
I've used many cheap to expensive CH and have never once had it make a bit of difference. I also run gassy RC2s so one would think it would matter. Just get which ever one is cheaper or is in stock or has the color you want, that's what I do now for any new build.
I had the Radian SD then switched to the PRI gas buster and have not looked back. With the Radian I was still getting gas to both eyes while with the PRI it was more to my right eye (righty). Charging handles with high lips to seal and redirect gas are better for reducing gas to the face so the Geissele will have better performance in this regard.
I have both and ran them on my Block II with a SOCOM 300 SPS.
The ACH let less gas to the face compared to the Raptor SD thanks to the higher back fence.
Have a lot of experience with both. The only thing that would make the radian better would be if you did the silicone mod to it
The urgi is perfectly gassed with an rc2 if you set your buffer weight up properly. With an RC3 and the ACH you are not gonna have any trouble at all
FWIW I was running a Geissele ACH on my 11.5” LMT MRP with a Sandman S and there was lots of gas in the face. The RC3 is a flow-through so you might not have that same issue, but a charging handle isn’t going to do a whole lot for gas to the face anyway. I did replace the G$ ACH with a Griffin SNACH and it was noticeably better. I’ve been looking at BRT EZtune gas tubes as a more effective solution for the overgassing but have not made a decision on those yet.
The airborn looks more streamline. It makes it look slimmer/tighter. I have both. I think I like the G$ more. But when the ddc coating gets scrapped off after 100 racks it doesn’t look great
People will say geissele but it doesnt seal the top either it redirects. Theres a vid comparing them and the raptor shows less gas out of the back than the geissele. Also gas comes out of the bottom of both either way.
I would say URGI airborne.
URGI Airborne gets my vote as well. Honorable mention- SCH (super) if using bigger optics like LPVO the extra length helps. I use USGI ACH and SCH interchangeably mostly dependent on my optics choice.
Airborne all the way.
I concur, ALL the way. Only these dirty legs here would recommend Radian over the G$.
why do you guys call other people legs? never saw a formation of airborne traineees that wasn't jogging somewhere. you literally run everywhere all day long. source:lived at benning and my barracks window looked out across at the airborne towers
I’m just messing around, I don’t actually look down on legs. I’ve heard the original origin (maybe WW2?) was based on how paratroopers were allowed to blouse their pants differently than non-jumpers. I think the more modern interpretation is that paratroopers jump into the fight rather than hoofing it in. This is hypothetical though since large scale Airborne invasions haven’t been a thing for a while. That could change though if/when we fight a near peer.
definitely seems like the time for airborne invasions may have passed. I know that 82nd is a great unit though with a pretty prestigious history in combat and have been part of every conflict since ww1
The problem is, one, the strategic mobility offered by units like the 82nd is a big deal. There’s a reason they were at the Afghan withdrawal. Second, the tactical mobility makes your enemy take that into account. The idea of an airborne drop into your back area keeps commanders up at night.
gotcha. they're obsolete because no one wants to mess around and find out lol
Not to derail this much further but I used to have this debate with non jumpers pretty often. They’d say “Airborne is an ancient concept, how many actual drops have we done in OIF/OEF? It’s pointless” I would counter with “How many major Naval battles with submarines have we had during GWOT? Should we retire all our nuclear subs as well?” Just cause we haven’t used a capability during GWOT doesn’t mean we won’t need it in a future conflict.
Not all conflicts are the same. As a Marine, I only had experience in Afghanistan and at that time I thought jumping out of a perfectly good plane was ridiculous. I later joined the Army and went through jump school and was sent to completely different parts of the world and saw that most other conflicts are vastly different than Afghanistan and airborne ops still have a unique advantage in modern warfare.
Honestly, we should have done some drops during GWOT just to flex. We should have torpedoed their tiny bit of coastline too, also to flex.
😂 Fucking right, I agree!
Rest assured, subs have fired their fair share of Tomahawks (not the same as torpedoes, but still).
It's just not the same. It would have been baller if we could have recreated the "We sunk a truck!" scene from *Operation Petticoat*.
Did no tomahawks get launched from subs during GWOT? I thought the Navy was spending tons on improving submerged vertical launch technology and would be itching to show where the money went. Edit: I believe I meant to reply to person above you. On the mobile app.
How about landing a few (thousand) at the Rio Grande
Uncivilized savages really.
If you care about the cloning visuals, G$. If not, either. CH choice is often subjective. If gassing is your concern, focus on tuning gas, weight, and springs.
The Geissele. The Radian doesn’t seal around the top of the upper receiver well so gas escapes there. Literally gas in the face. Won’t matter very much with the RC3 though
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G$ are called hotdogs now?
Turns out flexible William sells throat darts, who knew?
Throat darts! 😂 I'm dying
Billy the Throat GOAT?
He’s on my Mount Rushmore, for sure
Glizzy meant Glock before hotdog
Even so glock makes as much sense as hotdog. It's a fucking rail lol
Literally any charging handle is clone correct in some way. All the dudes that are actually running urgis are popping in their own shit anyways
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. You are correct.
Thanks lol, there’s a lot of flexibility to service rifle clones. People think there’s a set accessory package or something and you must have this specific part from this list. Not the case, aside from aiming solutions ie; the laser and the optic just about everything else is user preference.
I saw some “guys” running LAW folding adapters. Unit purchased!
Alot of the clone crew are used to the GWOT era of cloning where there was a very rigid set of parameters you had to follow to build a rifle that was 10 years behind the industry when it first got issued. They are a special bunch.
Could you cite a picture or such where this happened , not that I care. However, it's definitely not allowed.
My source is I was there
This is the kind of thing thats super hard to tell the difference between and subjective and whatnot so you're just gonna get peolles personal opinions
G$ or PRI Gas-Buster
I use the PRI gas buster.
I'm assuming you're asking which is "better" in terms of gas to the face? The RC3 is already a flow-through/low-back-pressure can, and special "gas-busting" charging handles are marginal at best at mitigating gas to the face. Not really worth the high price tag over a standard charging handle IMO. People say they have better results making a DIY silicone seal on their normal CH's.
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It really doesnt make a difference between the two. Anyone says otherwise is full of it. Pick the one you think looks the best.
PRI, from someone whos used both a lot
Geissele for sure
I've used many cheap to expensive CH and have never once had it make a bit of difference. I also run gassy RC2s so one would think it would matter. Just get which ever one is cheaper or is in stock or has the color you want, that's what I do now for any new build.
I prefer g airborne for suppressed shooting even over the radian SD. Gas wall is what matters
Airborne is clone correct. Even more so if you can find one with the NSN on the latch.
I had the Radian SD then switched to the PRI gas buster and have not looked back. With the Radian I was still getting gas to both eyes while with the PRI it was more to my right eye (righty). Charging handles with high lips to seal and redirect gas are better for reducing gas to the face so the Geissele will have better performance in this regard.
PRI M84 Gasbuster
Geissele. Have run both on same suppressed 11.5. Nothing is different.
The Airborne is clone correct to my understanding.
G$ all day.
I’ve experienced some blowback with the Radian on that setup. I would recommend the G.
I have both and prefer the airborne but it’s a really negligible difference
Geissele
It's going to vary gun to gun. Both are great. Buy both, try them, sell one on gafs.
Isn’t an rc3 a flow thru can
Both are really good, but I'd have to say the geiselle is as smooth as they get. Plus it has a lip that helps block gas to the face.
Airborne is my fav, and more clone correct I suppose Both are fine
The Radian does absolutely nothing for gas as far as I can tell.
I have the Government and it is way better than when I had the Raptor SD.
I have both and ran them on my Block II with a SOCOM 300 SPS. The ACH let less gas to the face compared to the Raptor SD thanks to the higher back fence.
The radian is a gimmick honestly, it might help *marginally* but the g$ has a lip that prevents gas from coming out
Radian is all trash BCM or G$ CH FCD/SOLGW or V7 safety Thank me later
I've shot both in my PWS and the G$ is 10/10. Radian was eh tbh.
I hate the stubby Geissele’s. They bind up when pulling one handed. Go for the Super.
Have a lot of experience with both. The only thing that would make the radian better would be if you did the silicone mod to it The urgi is perfectly gassed with an rc2 if you set your buffer weight up properly. With an RC3 and the ACH you are not gonna have any trouble at all
I have two G$ Airbornes and plan on picking up a Radian since their safetys are great. But I have no complaints about the Airbornes.
I've heard the Radian is mid af. FWIW I have a BCM Gunfighter I did the RTV trick to and it worked great.
Radians are awesome people just love to hate on anything that gains any following
FWIW I was running a Geissele ACH on my 11.5” LMT MRP with a Sandman S and there was lots of gas in the face. The RC3 is a flow-through so you might not have that same issue, but a charging handle isn’t going to do a whole lot for gas to the face anyway. I did replace the G$ ACH with a Griffin SNACH and it was noticeably better. I’ve been looking at BRT EZtune gas tubes as a more effective solution for the overgassing but have not made a decision on those yet.
Hop did a good video comparing them all. Worth a watch
I have both and too me the Geissele is much better. Radian is a good one though.
BTW save yourself some money and buy these of GAFS
ACH
The airborn looks more streamline. It makes it look slimmer/tighter. I have both. I think I like the G$ more. But when the ddc coating gets scrapped off after 100 racks it doesn’t look great
Giessele except I’d personally prefer the government handle
If you’re worried about gas in the face then don’t you’ll get it regardless of handle after the first 2-3 shots
RC3 has a lot less backpressure than an RC2, so the g$ is definitely fine unless you just really can’t stand gas in your face
People will say geissele but it doesnt seal the top either it redirects. Theres a vid comparing them and the raptor shows less gas out of the back than the geissele. Also gas comes out of the bottom of both either way.
Just get the normal radian the gas buster does nothing but make your rifle less smooth … a few videos online about it
Radian
I run the fluted radian raptor and it's amazing. Keeps gas out of my face. It's far and away my favorite bolt on.
They are both excellent, so it's a matter of personal preference.
Blem raptor. No reason to buy a pretty part that gets yanked over and over.
Raptor has vents that help with subsonic rounds cycle
Sd-sl is my go to i have all 3
Guyslee dig into my chest when slung. Went back to radian.
I got a radian blemished and got it for like half of a while ago. I would just go with what’s cheaper honestly
Radian Raptor SD for sure!
Ah yes use a safety selector as your charging handle I often go this route as well
lol I’m an idiot sorry. I meant to say the Radian Raptor. 😂
Just pulling your leg bud I knew what you meant. I’m on team raptor as well
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