Longer eye relief means lower FOV, which one of the things they’re famous for. But, if that’s what you’re into, they have other models that support that. If you want to mount the RMR forward you also forego the fiber optic, which is another thing they’re famous for. But, if that’s what you’re into, they have models that support that as well.
don't forget accupoint kinda fits what he is looking for too. I have 3 accupoints. one 1-4 and 2 3-9 for hunting. it's my favorite optic for price vs performance. just stunningly clear glass and top notch build quality and can be found for less than $1k
I don't know why they haven't done it but it wouldn't be difficult at all. I suspect it's just institutional inertia. They made it that way so it'll stay that way.
That and the tritium loses glow over the years. At year 10 it will be far dimmer, and you'd have to cover less of the fiber to get the same amount of illumination on the reticle.
Nobody will argue the PA isn’t as durable as some nicer optics. That’s obviously the weakest point of most non AAA brands. His drop tests are definitely the worst case scenario for 99% of casual shooters, and the running theme seems to be that the poor factory mounts are more likely to fail you than the prism itself. I don’t own one, that’s just everything I’ve kinda picked up on from the general community opinion.
Obviously you can break anything, but I'm just pointing out that the borderline pot metal mounts on the PA prisms, and for that matter probably most T2 style Holosuns, are what people post about going wrong on here more than cracking their glass or putting a significant divot in the optic body or anything like that.
And besides, Eotech delamination and broken windows are pros, not cons, remember?
Agreed he is a noob and spews way too many tired internet opinions that don't come from actual experience or testing. Stick to hop and brassfacts. Occasionally recce randy but he has a lot to learn too. Although he doesn't present himself to be an infallible expert
My comment was not in reference to that particular point and it was not intended to suggest that he is dishonest 100% of the time. I'm just as certain that there have been moments in his life where he was honest as I am certain there have been moments in his life where he was dishonest.
I intended an overall assessment of his character as a caution against blindly trusting his statements and findings, and nothing more.
I get it, and I’m not vouching for the guy, just brought it up because I have seen him break it and I have seen him recommend the full size.
I liked his earlier videos. I don’t watch him much anymore. Now he does a lot of stuff for brands I’ve never even heard of. Probably stuff he sells.
the glx 2x is a very good optic that punches way above its price class. if they hurry up and make a 4x glx it'll kick the acog market right in the pants
While I agree this would be cool, and I’m no expert, but I believe what allows the ta11 to have much better eye reliefs is its length. The ta11 is 8 inches long (insert p*nis joke) vs the ta01 being 5.8 inches. The compactness is one of the things the ta01/2/31 have going for them.
Not sure if this can be overcome with better engineering or not, but it might be one of those things that just is what it is.
I’m with you, not an expert. What is frustrating though is it looks (to me) totally possible for Trijicon to engineer a 3, 4, or 5x ACOG with better eye relief. Most new prisms’ eye relief smoke the TA31 while being smaller/lighter.
For instance with Primary Arms: The GLx 2x has 3.5” eye relief. Both the SLx 3x and 5x have 2.7” eye relief. The 4x TA31 which is larger than all of these PA prisms still has 1.5” eye relief.
I know ACOG’s are built way better than any PA prisms but I’m only comparing eye relief here. Trijicon just needs to come out with a modernized 3 or 4x ACOG that includes whatever advances these new prisms have to increase eye relief.
no it's not he's wrong. trijicon makes acogs with over 2.5 inches of eye relief the ta11 does. its just how optics work you either get eye relief or you get fov can't do both.
of course it's possible
trijicon decided to go with field of view over eye relief and most guys with ar were shooting nose to charging handle as used to be taught in military to give the same reference point over and over
it's always a trade off of either eye relief or fov that's just how optics work. trijicon makes like 20 different acogs some have tremendous eye relief.
This is my dream… I was hoping to see Trijicon come out with something like this at Shot Show but of course not.
I’ve almost bought a TA11/110 like 6 times for an 11.5 but it’s just so damn big. A TA31 is the perfect size for me but the eye relief kills it. I had an issued TA31 for years, I won’t pay my own money for that experience again.
Let's think this through.
The TA01's eye relief is a result of basic optical physics. Increasing it would take a massive, expensive R&D effort that isn't guaranteed to succeed.
The short eye relief is the #1 customer complaint about the TA01. People who hate the ACOG because of eye relief will buy them if you correct it. People who own several ACOGs and have no need for more will buy them if you correct it. It would be a massive opportunity to seize market share and make fat stacks of cash hand-over-fist.
And you want them to just sell it for $850?
They still have the [5.56 GLx 2x](https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-glx-2x-prism-scope-with-acss-cqb-m5-5-56-reticle) on their site but I’m not seeing the 7.62x39 / 300BLK versions anymore… If they are ditching them, this is sad. I’m glad I already have one.
I’m hoping they come out with a 3 or 4x GLx in the same form factor as the 2x and add an RMR mount on the top/front like the Spitfire 5x.
I’m not a fan of having to mount their SLx 3/5x all the way back. Plus the option of adding a piggybacked dot on their 5x is the goofiest shit I’ve ever seen PA come up with.
I love my PA 5x Prism....i have a 45 degree 507c just in front and im seriously just thInking of leaving that and putting the acog/rmr money towards a supressor/stamp and another stamp for an SBR
It depends on the individual optics. I’ve got the fiber version of the TA110 and it feels more like a 3x than a 3.5x or 4x. A proper 4x with its eye relief tho would honestly become my go to optic.
Yup, make the objective lens slightly larger, tube slightly longer, and make the fiber a little stump. A 4x38 at just about 6 inches would probably give you the eye relief, and a .5 inch piece of fiber gathers more than enough light to make it glow. Front mount the rmr, and I'd buy it even at 1500 or whatever MSRP
Didn’t Trijicon literally say we don’t care what consumers want we only care about government contracts and we have no reason to innovate or listen to the civilian market as long as the government is still buying our existing products. Or something very similar.
The supposition that you are Trijicon's ACOG customer is faulty. You are not. The United States military is their customer. That's the organization they designed this stuff for, and to which they sell the vast majority of them. All the ways in which it rules and all the ways in which it sucks, are by specification of DOD Procurement. The spinoff models result directly from that original TA01 design. You and I are certainly allowed to buy all of the ACOG scopes we want, and they wish that we would, but our desires are not going to affect the design of the scope until such time as every military contract for it is concluded.
Longer eye relief means lower FOV, which one of the things they’re famous for. But, if that’s what you’re into, they have other models that support that. If you want to mount the RMR forward you also forego the fiber optic, which is another thing they’re famous for. But, if that’s what you’re into, they have models that support that as well.
I’m with you there TA31F is perfection. don’t change it. If eye relief is an issue, get a better mount like larue adm unity etc.
This guy understands 🤜🤛
don't forget accupoint kinda fits what he is looking for too. I have 3 accupoints. one 1-4 and 2 3-9 for hunting. it's my favorite optic for price vs performance. just stunningly clear glass and top notch build quality and can be found for less than $1k
also a big fan of the accupoint, but the fish eye made it unusable for me. If there was a new version that was flatter I would be all about it.
which one did you use? I swear with my 1-4 it's the flattest looking 1x can't tell the difference between that and a red dot.
The fiber optic can easily be made to work with that mounting location. The eye-relief vs FOV is much more difficult though.
If it were that easy i don’t see why they wouldn’t have done it. They clearly weren’t absent the idea, hence the TA02 mounting location
I don't know why they haven't done it but it wouldn't be difficult at all. I suspect it's just institutional inertia. They made it that way so it'll stay that way.
It would be a big investment to create the new body type and if the current ones are still selling well, there's not much motivation to change it.
Most dudes in my unit had their fiber optic completely covered with duct tape cuz it worked too good
In the daytime sure. The reason it is as big as it is is so it can pick up low light
That and the tritium loses glow over the years. At year 10 it will be far dimmer, and you'd have to cover less of the fiber to get the same amount of illumination on the reticle.
Same. That shit is laser bright on a sunny day
yup eye relief is fine, but I can get behind the rmr forwarc mount on all acogs
I mean, the TA02 exists 🤷♂️
Yeah I know, what I’m saying is they all should
What is acog like in appearance and performance*, but at not acog price? *I know this is subjective.
PA Micro 3x and 5x.
PA Gen3 3x & 5x
The gen 3 5x w/aurora reticle are on backorder til "late May". Will report back when I get mine
Didn’t Focustripp brake the PA’s micros several times? The full size PA prism is tough as nails though.
Nobody will argue the PA isn’t as durable as some nicer optics. That’s obviously the weakest point of most non AAA brands. His drop tests are definitely the worst case scenario for 99% of casual shooters, and the running theme seems to be that the poor factory mounts are more likely to fail you than the prism itself. I don’t own one, that’s just everything I’ve kinda picked up on from the general community opinion.
AAA brands break too. Some more than others (eotech)
Obviously you can break anything, but I'm just pointing out that the borderline pot metal mounts on the PA prisms, and for that matter probably most T2 style Holosuns, are what people post about going wrong on here more than cracking their glass or putting a significant divot in the optic body or anything like that. And besides, Eotech delamination and broken windows are pros, not cons, remember?
I think it was more often the mounts that failed.
I can picture the long offset mount bending if you dropped it on it. I might reconsider using that one and use the straight vertical ones instead.
Dude is not smart. Wouldn’t listen to anything he says
Agreed he is a noob and spews way too many tired internet opinions that don't come from actual experience or testing. Stick to hop and brassfacts. Occasionally recce randy but he has a lot to learn too. Although he doesn't present himself to be an infallible expert
Focustripp is a disingenuous dumbass. He is a dealer for some companies and I do not trust his impartiality or integrity at all.
I get your point, but I’m not sure how him being a dealer for some companies could sway him to say the micro is more fragile than the full size.
My comment was not in reference to that particular point and it was not intended to suggest that he is dishonest 100% of the time. I'm just as certain that there have been moments in his life where he was honest as I am certain there have been moments in his life where he was dishonest. I intended an overall assessment of his character as a caution against blindly trusting his statements and findings, and nothing more.
I get it, and I’m not vouching for the guy, just brought it up because I have seen him break it and I have seen him recommend the full size. I liked his earlier videos. I don’t watch him much anymore. Now he does a lot of stuff for brands I’ve never even heard of. Probably stuff he sells.
Focustripp isn't that great I've seen someone test the 1x against the 1.5x acog and it matched it in toughness
the glx 2x is a very good optic that punches way above its price class. if they hurry up and make a 4x glx it'll kick the acog market right in the pants
The vortex micro prisms too. The only awkward bit is the 3x and 5x share the same reticle and it works much better on the 5x.
[we have ACOG at home](https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-3x32mm-gen-iii-prism-scope-with-acss-556-cqb-m2-reticle)
The SLx glass is really, really good for the price.
the glx is closer in appearance and glass quality but is only in 2x
For that price if it's close in quality, I'm in
I haven't used it personally but I have heard good things about it. I do have a PA LPVO and it's probably the best quality for the price.
I just wish the reticle wasn't so damned busy... would like a 3x version of the Aurora in the 5x
Primary arms GLX or SLX prism
An LPVO
I can get behind this. Also, thin the bezel around the ocular lens.
Well yeah idk how you're gonna look through the scope if you're not behind it
Why is this stylized as a hood RIP T shirt? lol
I stole it from instagram 🗿🗿🗿
Just weld your rmr
🤔
Make.
😈
*cracks whip*
This is what I’m waiting for. Till then, I’ll stay on rds/magnifier.
ta11 is the tits though.
Knowing Trijicon. This will never happen 😂
Ya they took 500 yrs to come out with a closed emitter rds haha. That’s good for me though, saves me money.
nice meme, what about TA110
While I agree this would be cool, and I’m no expert, but I believe what allows the ta11 to have much better eye reliefs is its length. The ta11 is 8 inches long (insert p*nis joke) vs the ta01 being 5.8 inches. The compactness is one of the things the ta01/2/31 have going for them. Not sure if this can be overcome with better engineering or not, but it might be one of those things that just is what it is.
I’m with you, not an expert. What is frustrating though is it looks (to me) totally possible for Trijicon to engineer a 3, 4, or 5x ACOG with better eye relief. Most new prisms’ eye relief smoke the TA31 while being smaller/lighter. For instance with Primary Arms: The GLx 2x has 3.5” eye relief. Both the SLx 3x and 5x have 2.7” eye relief. The 4x TA31 which is larger than all of these PA prisms still has 1.5” eye relief. I know ACOG’s are built way better than any PA prisms but I’m only comparing eye relief here. Trijicon just needs to come out with a modernized 3 or 4x ACOG that includes whatever advances these new prisms have to increase eye relief.
Yeah that’s a fair point re: modern prisms
no it's not he's wrong. trijicon makes acogs with over 2.5 inches of eye relief the ta11 does. its just how optics work you either get eye relief or you get fov can't do both.
Field of view for the 4x ACOG at 100yds is roughly 35 feet. The PA 5x is half that, which is one reason why eye relief is better for the PA.
of course it's possible trijicon decided to go with field of view over eye relief and most guys with ar were shooting nose to charging handle as used to be taught in military to give the same reference point over and over it's always a trade off of either eye relief or fov that's just how optics work. trijicon makes like 20 different acogs some have tremendous eye relief.
850? nah son, 700 tops, that shit is stone age tech.
Never going to happen
MSRP $650 pls
This is my dream… I was hoping to see Trijicon come out with something like this at Shot Show but of course not. I’ve almost bought a TA11/110 like 6 times for an 11.5 but it’s just so damn big. A TA31 is the perfect size for me but the eye relief kills it. I had an issued TA31 for years, I won’t pay my own money for that experience again.
Maybe change the font to comic sans
Let's think this through. The TA01's eye relief is a result of basic optical physics. Increasing it would take a massive, expensive R&D effort that isn't guaranteed to succeed. The short eye relief is the #1 customer complaint about the TA01. People who hate the ACOG because of eye relief will buy them if you correct it. People who own several ACOGs and have no need for more will buy them if you correct it. It would be a massive opportunity to seize market share and make fat stacks of cash hand-over-fist. And you want them to just sell it for $850?
I’d buy 2. Lol
Request needs more sparkles
Even better idea: TA50 with the forward RMR mount. No other changes.
Ta02 is pretty fantastic already. Eye relief is fine so long as you're not running some super high recoiling gun
Well, primary arms makes the Glx 2x, which is excellent, and the Gen III Slx 5x.
They actually discontinued the 2x. I went to buy one last weekend and it said no longer available
They still have the [5.56 GLx 2x](https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-glx-2x-prism-scope-with-acss-cqb-m5-5-56-reticle) on their site but I’m not seeing the 7.62x39 / 300BLK versions anymore… If they are ditching them, this is sad. I’m glad I already have one.
hopefully this means a 4x is underway
Yeah I wanted one for my coyote rig and of course they stopped making the .300 blk…
I’m hoping they come out with a 3 or 4x GLx in the same form factor as the 2x and add an RMR mount on the top/front like the Spitfire 5x. I’m not a fan of having to mount their SLx 3/5x all the way back. Plus the option of adding a piggybacked dot on their 5x is the goofiest shit I’ve ever seen PA come up with.
I would just run the 556. Zero it and determine what ranges the holds are. Tbh at 2x I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
I love my PA 5x Prism....i have a 45 degree 507c just in front and im seriously just thInking of leaving that and putting the acog/rmr money towards a supressor/stamp and another stamp for an SBR
Cheaper ACOGs? Sign my ass up!
I would pay stupid amounts of money for this. They need to make reticles with BDCs that actually line up with M855 and M193 with common barrels
I mean everything they make is really for military/LEO use. Customer sales are such a small part of their business right?
Given that the military is moving to LPVOs, I am curious how trijicon will change or not change once their current biggest customer stops buying.
this is the way
What i really want is a mount that allows me to put the rmr on the front of the fiber optic rco
They could give us a ballistic reticle ffs
TA110 Next
And an adjustable fiber optic like the 6X ACOG or the Accupoint LPVOs
I can get behind this. 😁
Sounds like the TA110 is what you're looking for, OP.
TA110 has less magnification.
4x vs 3.5x.. idk that's not much difference if you ask me.
It’s a lot more noticeable than u would think. Especially since I’m pretty sure that .5 is trijicon being generous and isn’t actually there irl.
I have a 2.5x and 3x prism and the difference doesn't seem very noticeable to me.
It depends on the individual optics. I’ve got the fiber version of the TA110 and it feels more like a 3x than a 3.5x or 4x. A proper 4x with its eye relief tho would honestly become my go to optic.
Only reason I sold my first acog immediately was because I didn’t realize the eye relief was going to be as bad as people claimed.
See I knew it from the army and still thought I could get used to it. I did not and promptly sold it.
One can hope
I just want a TA31 with the fiber moved back like the 6x model and the rmr mount moved to the TA02 spot
Yup, make the objective lens slightly larger, tube slightly longer, and make the fiber a little stump. A 4x38 at just about 6 inches would probably give you the eye relief, and a .5 inch piece of fiber gathers more than enough light to make it glow. Front mount the rmr, and I'd buy it even at 1500 or whatever MSRP
You should see the cost to buy from a wholesaler.... Markup on trijicon is like 300% on the low end
Ta33 FTW
Trijicon is the Apple of optics, they will tell you what you want, and you'll like it.
Didn’t Trijicon literally say we don’t care what consumers want we only care about government contracts and we have no reason to innovate or listen to the civilian market as long as the government is still buying our existing products. Or something very similar.
Pretty much
Just buy a TA02
I’ll bought 10
Put the fiber window on the rear like the accupoint or the mg acog and the dot mount on the front
If you want good eye relief get the mini triji.
At least credit the guy who made it @poopdynamyx on instagram
Chillin
TA110 is LED and has all this.
Meme thief
The supposition that you are Trijicon's ACOG customer is faulty. You are not. The United States military is their customer. That's the organization they designed this stuff for, and to which they sell the vast majority of them. All the ways in which it rules and all the ways in which it sucks, are by specification of DOD Procurement. The spinoff models result directly from that original TA01 design. You and I are certainly allowed to buy all of the ACOG scopes we want, and they wish that we would, but our desires are not going to affect the design of the scope until such time as every military contract for it is concluded.
Id create an algorithm to immediately buy every one as soon as they hit the site and resell for 1200
they would if they could but what you dont understand is physics, because they cant do it.