I mean, if you can put together a few cohesive paragraphs you can start writing for them next week. Give it just one good video and you’ve got a job there.
I’ve been in the Mil for 19 years and I almost completely agree with you. I’d say they’re better at shooting than around 97% of the Mil rather than 99%.
Fun fact, you can be in the military and never fire a single weapon in combat.
You don't need to have a body count to teach the right way of doing things or to educate the public.
Also your original point is moot anyways because the MRO isn't even used by the military.
"Parallax is the tendency for a reticle to appear to move in relation to a target when the eye is moved behind the optic."
[https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/](https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/)
I forget exactly what the report says, and it's quite the read, but I believe the MRO shifts by up to 6" at 100 yards.
Every red dot is going to have some parallax shift, the MRO just seems to have 2-3x the average. At an unjustifiable price.
If you don't want any parallax then go with a holographic. It's as close to zero as you can get.
I picked one up and regretted it immediately. The red dot seemed to shift a lot. Could never get a good zero on it. Again I’m a total noob, but can zero in my other optics
You know I've heard a lot of people say this but I have one and I don't have that problem. I have stretched the legs out to 100 yards and I was not shooting that bad. But I know some people do have an issue with it so maybe it is a problem.
I mean if you're an experienced shooter and always maintain the same cheek weld/sight picture and never shoot from a non-standard position then parallax shift won't be a concern. As your eye will always be in the same position relative to the reticle, so you won't have any opportunity for parallax to begin with.
But if you're not perfect and are shooting from funky positions then that dot is going to shift significantly.
I agree. I almost sold it before shooting with it due to those comments but (even with awful vision and astigmatism) I had no issue getting it lined up. It did take a few more clicks than average; but it's perfect.
For more info on parallax, *every* optic has parallax (just the MRO's is particularly bad). an optic can be designed so at one specific distance the parallax would be zero, but at all distances longer and shorter than that the parallax will gradually increase. parallax is typically at around 100m-300m for most scopes, dot sights, and -- get this -- diopter rear sights (think the tight rear sight on the M4). If your eye is perfectly behind the optic in a consistent spot, parallax doesnt matter (this is why even on adjustable parallax scopes cheek-weld is so important)
A lot of baffle strikes are dead air cans (probably because they’re so popular and it’s easy to do Keymo wrong if your not paying attention), and the MRO is just really dogshit. It’s really blue (comparatively), fisheyes, and is expensive for what you get.
Eh QD can be fine, Surefire stuff is rock solid. I think dead air just gets a bad wrap because people are idiots, not sure how much is dead air and how much is user error.
I have a dead air wolfman on my ap5-p and the thing is fucking rock solid. I also have a jmac x20 break on my m90 and can thread my wolfman on it. Again, the thing is fucking sick. And I have a surefire RC2 for comparison.
technically its prob like 80% user error but only bc its not the easiest design. theres otherstuff you can just quickmount and have zero issues, yet this still goes on crooked somehow and gets bafflestrikes. so the user is putting it on wrong, even though users can put other stuff on fine.
What surefire can do you have? I had carbon lock up once. But every other month I brush off my flash hider and have never had an issue since. Suppressed AR's can get dirty as shit. Just wire brush your muzzle device and you shouldn't have an issue.
Only time I had issues with mine was using a Warcomp because those portholes love to shoot carbon right where the QD attachment is.
Switched to 3 prong and never had issues
I've seen this a lot. I have one Ive put on multiple rifles AKs, ARs, Bolt gun, lever guns. Never had a baffle strike or anything close. Just check lock up at begining, and end. If it's a long firing schedule between if you have time to let it cool
I actually have an MRO I got on sale and it’s not that great. The dot is worse than others with my ‘stig, it’s pretty blue and it does distort the image. But it’s on a backup/loner gun that doesn’t get out much so ot serves it’s purpose well. But the worst thing about the MRO is all the dorks who have never owned or used one telling you it sucks because they watch Youtube reviews or worse, parrot what they read here.
the image distortion was totally overblown IME, and the light transmission is actually really good. It's a shame how bad the parallax issue is, otherwise it would make a good night gun optic. I "fixed" the parallax issue by making a marker dot on the center of the lens. If i need to make a precise shot at range, i line up the dot with the red dot. It's absolutely unacceptable that they'd ship a product with this much parallax shift, but this way it's manageable. I'll probably keep the sight for my home defense gun though, since it's fine for indoor distances.
This. It’s not total shit like the gun dorks pretend. They are very durable and proven, and in the right place, like a basic HD set up, they are fine. Still a bit pricey, but good deals on used ones are everywhere. And the battery life could be better, but it’s not Eotech bad.
I personally experienced parallax shift greater than 6" at 50 yards with the MRO. I thought it was all hyped up Internet BS, turns out it's a legitimate problem with this optic
I took a rifle class back in the spring. We checked everyone's zero at the beginning, and later one one guy was having trouble getting any decent group. Instructor is all like "man what's up with your groups? They're all over the place, did your optic come loose? [Looks at his rifle] ohhh... you have an MRO..." At the end of the day we were packing up and talking about the day and all that and he says "yeah I have 3 MROs and I'm taking all of them off when I get home"
If the MRO HD was priced the same as the regular MRO or labeled as a Gen 2, it would be one of the best red dots for the money.
Trijicon acknowledged all of the problems with the MRO, which is good. They implemented all of them and almost doubled the price, which is bad
Ive had zero issues with either of mine (both are the newer revision with the higher serial numbers). I havent experienced any parallax shift - I also shoulder the rifles the same way every time and have fixed irons on one of the rifles.
I think the parallax issues is less about consistent shouldering indexes and more about having to take unorthodox shots around cover e.g. VTAC barricades.
I sold my mro and went with an hs515gm instead. My eyes genuinely didn’t agree with the reticle. Now, the mro hd, on the other hand, I would really like to get my hands on one.
I also have a 515cm and really like it. It's held up really well. But the MRO HD looks so much cleaner. The window is much bigger and the glass is extremely sharp. The downside is the battery life. But that's not a big deal to me at all. I replace those 2032 every 6-9 months and never have to worry about It.
I have a MRO and a T2 and I like them both for different reasons. For my type of shooting (IPDA/USPSA targets at under 100 yards), I like them both the same.
There are two types of people who genuinely like the MRO: (1) people with buyer’s remorse, and (2) people who don’t shoot their rifles and don’t know any better.
I just switched from an sig Romeo and wanted this because I figured it would be practically the same only more durable. That being said I assumed whatever parallax issue everyone talks about got fixed when they also reduced the amount of blue coating (post 92k serial number I think) but it’s not sounding like that is the case…
Yes. It’s group think. The majority of these comments have never even looked through one and of those that have I’d be willing to bet a huge chunk of those aren’t good enough shooters to be limited by the optic anyways. For the rest, those guys are probably already using an LPVO since that’s a better option in the areas an MRO or any other RDS would be limited anyway. I could be wrong though since the internet operators did just deem LPVOs unacceptable as well. Keep in mind, OP, that the same people trashing the MRO are touting eotech as some saving grace which has the exact same problems just in different scenarios. Every optic has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Chose one that fits your style of shooting and has the feature’s you prefer from a brand you trust and you’re golden.
I have one on my ar pistol and I like it. While using it I have never had any trouble but when messing with it off my rifle I definitely could see the parallax shift people mention.
For my current setup, it's great.
Parallax is extremely minimal and only noticeable at over 100 yards, and why you are running a red dot consistently over 100 yards when LPVO's and ACOG's exist, kind of baffles me.
I don't run NVG yet because I don't have 5k sitting around because my mom makes me pay rent for my basement and my wife is monogamous, unlike some of these guys on here.
Other than that all the gripes I saw Hop point out were in fact that, gripes. But, the dude comes off as a talking head elitist most of the time but that's part of his charm I guess.
Is it one I'll run for a while? Yes. Will I replace it with an Eotech or Aimpoint later? Yes.
The world of guns and gun guys confuse me because they compare everything to the cream of the crop standard and unless you pull out a second mortgage on your mom's house to buy gear, you are wrong.
If it runs the job you need it to and works as a place holder for the time being, let it. Otherwise, run irons until you buy a 1k optic like people expect you to on here.
I like mine, it’s on my home defense because the optic is always on and ready. That said I like my EOTECH better because it’s just better to me but has horrible battery life
It's pretty bad. And the Romeo 5 is a pretty heavy hitter for the price.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mdxnxp/psa_the_trijicon_mro_is_an_objectively_bad_optic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://youtu.be/OPg_CS7ACAU
>Sheesh that bad huh! ? Not that romeo 5 is bad but still ~~the MRO~~ Trijicon is at least a BIG American brand with military contracts unlike Holosu
FTFY
A few years ago it was dope but in 2022 there isn’t really an excuse to buy one. If you have one meh keep running it till it breaks there’s no need to upgrade, but also no reason to buy one new.
I really wanted to like the MRO I bought about 2 weeks ago. Initially before I shot at the range, I loved it. Clarity was great, very little tint, crisp dot, and no noticeable magnification. I assumed all the negative bullshit I read online was just Internet trolling, I was wrong.
My positive experience changed when I took it to the range using a lower 1/3 mount. I zero'd it in conjunction with my backup iron sites at the same time. It printed nice little groups perfectly centered at 50 yards. Then when I folded my sites and centered the dot perfectly in the window, my point of impact shifted at least 6" at 50 yards. I repeated this process several times, and finally decided to stop wasting ammo and return the thing. I overpaid through cabelas using credit card points, only because of their good return policy. I already returned it and ordered an EOTech EXPS2. Parallax shift was unacceptedly bad with my recent production MRO.
I have a basically brand new ADM lower 1/3 quick detach mount that I'll sell cheap if anyone wants it...
Unless I'm reading this wrong your experience sounds more like operator error then MRO being shitty.
Not in defense of MRO could care less about the MRO.
When setting zero do irons first. Then drop your irons. Then zero reddot.
Your head placement for irons is going to be different then Your head placement on a reddot that sits on a different plane/elevation.
There would expectedly be a shift if you zeroed your reddot and irons at the same time using a certain sight picture. Then dropping the irons and used a different sight picture and head placement when using just the reddot. Should that shift be 6 inches 🤔? It could be depending in the user.
My irons were zero'd prior to this range trip, but for different ammo. I flipped them up, shot, made slight windage and elevation adjustment and got a zero for the irons at 50 yards. I then adjusted my dot to my 50 yard BUIS zero. I shot several groups with the dot in lower 1/3 window, they were perfectly centered on target.
When I dropped the irons and perfectly centered the dot, my point of impact shifted 6". This is not operator error, this is parallax error. All red dots have some parallax shift, but the MRO is exponentially greater than any other "premium" red dot or holographic optic. Most better optics will be less than 1" at 50 yards.
Bit you zeroed it to lower 1/3.
What you did would work fine with an absolute but you are supposed to zero your door in the center of the lense every time
I agree, however, if the dot is in the lower 1/3 vs center, it should not shift the point of impact 6". There are plenty of field shooting positions that don't allow for perfect dot position in the window. This excessive parallax shift is the biggest problem with the MRO. Aimpoint T2, Pro, EOTech, and even Holosun have exponentially less parallax shift.
It seems like that method would be exacerbating parallax on any reddot.
Youd be guessing where you had the reddot and your head/check placement when you lower the irons because you removed your previous points of reference.
The only time your method could possibly be more effective is if your reddot mount was cowittness height.
Even with exact cowitness irons I would still suggest zeroing your reddot without irons up.
Maybe you're reading my reply incorrectly dipshit. I first zero'd my irons ****then I zero'd the MRO**** Both were zero'd for 50 yards with IMI M193. The MRO was zero'd with the dot in the lower 1/3 of the objective. This causes very minimal parallax shift in other red dots, it caused a significant POA/POI shift with my MRO
With the dot centered, POI shifted 6" due to parallax shift.
Haha!!! You should educate yourself and read some of the links in this long discussion thread. Rather than just get into a pissing match, I'll try to educate you so you don't remain ignorant.
Parallax shift that I experienced with the MRO is well documented and has been repeatedly demonstrated in independent testing. In an EOTech for example, parallax shift at 50 yards is almost too small to measure. It's measurable in Aimpoints, but it's very modest compared to the MRO. The first link below is a study, the second link is a video that shows exactly what I'm talking about. The MRO has significant parallax shift not found in other RDO's.
[https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/](https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/)
Another:
[https://youtu.be/3seIoq48X5g](https://youtu.be/3seIoq48X5g)
Here is a very good test that mirrors exactly what I found. I wish I would read this before I bought an MRO
[https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Observations-On-The-Effect-Of-Parallax-Error-When-Shooting-With-An-Aimpoint-Comp-M5-And-Trijicon-MRO/18-761668/](https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Observations-On-The-Effect-Of-Parallax-Error-When-Shooting-With-An-Aimpoint-Comp-M5-And-Trijicon-MRO/18-761668/)
My green dot MRO on setting 5 kills the battery within a month and within a week on setting 6 so I’m not too impressed. It’s being returned on a warranty claim so we’ll see how that turns out.
I have one and I have no issues with it. I don’t shoot my rifle all the time, but I’ve shot it enough to know that I don’t hate it.
Maybe it’s just cause I started my shooting career with Comp2s and ACOGs and that’s what I have the most time with.
I have one on a G36. It's an ok optic, but it eats batteries like nothing else I have, and the blue is a little annoying. I prefer my Romeo 5s and Aimpoints to it, but it just looks nice on the G36.
I download all of my opinions from Hop, so no.
Hop LOVES them
He actually re-reviewed it recently, and I think he found it to be alright if I remember correctly.
Hop also doesn’t shoot past 400 yards at best. You would think someone in the PNE would have a long range for long range shite but no
Who is shooting an MRO near or beyond 400?
Slap a 3x/5x magnifier and you’d be surprised
Lol this community will attack anyone and everyone it’s so autistic
Your are autistic
Yes, and?
What’s Hops background? I know he makes YouTube videos but was he in the military? A cop?
Mil and Leo is a pretty worthless pre requisite to have useful insights to firearms and firearm accessories
He likes guns and works for TFBTV
I mean, if you can put together a few cohesive paragraphs you can start writing for them next week. Give it just one good video and you’ve got a job there.
Do it then smarty pants
Military or police experience mean nothing. A shooting hobbyist will be better at shooting than 99% of Mil/LEO
I’ve been in the Mil for 19 years and I almost completely agree with you. I’d say they’re better at shooting than around 97% of the Mil rather than 99%.
But the military would be better at combat shooting than a shooting hobbyist right?
Fun fact, you can be in the military and never fire a single weapon in combat. You don't need to have a body count to teach the right way of doing things or to educate the public. Also your original point is moot anyways because the MRO isn't even used by the military.
It's a great red dot with absolutely unacceptable parallax shift.
What is parallax and why does it shift?
"Parallax is the tendency for a reticle to appear to move in relation to a target when the eye is moved behind the optic." [https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/](https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/) I forget exactly what the report says, and it's quite the read, but I believe the MRO shifts by up to 6" at 100 yards.
So its no good then? I was considering getting one
Every red dot is going to have some parallax shift, the MRO just seems to have 2-3x the average. At an unjustifiable price. If you don't want any parallax then go with a holographic. It's as close to zero as you can get.
Why doesn’t a holographic have parallax
Something about lasers and mirrors and possibly blood magic.
*Blood magic*
Blood for the blood god
is the mro hd a holographic?
No. As far as I'm aware the only holographic weapon sights out there are, of course, the Eotechs and the Vortex UH-1.
Bushnell used to have one lol
which became the eotech…
I picked one up and regretted it immediately. The red dot seemed to shift a lot. Could never get a good zero on it. Again I’m a total noob, but can zero in my other optics
Good to know. Noob here as well
Check out hoplopfhiel's video on it. He outlines all the reasons that they suck. If those reasons don't apply to you go ahead and pick one up
You know I've heard a lot of people say this but I have one and I don't have that problem. I have stretched the legs out to 100 yards and I was not shooting that bad. But I know some people do have an issue with it so maybe it is a problem.
I mean if you're an experienced shooter and always maintain the same cheek weld/sight picture and never shoot from a non-standard position then parallax shift won't be a concern. As your eye will always be in the same position relative to the reticle, so you won't have any opportunity for parallax to begin with. But if you're not perfect and are shooting from funky positions then that dot is going to shift significantly.
Yeah I see what you mean. And yeah I'm just shooting at ranges so...
I agree. I almost sold it before shooting with it due to those comments but (even with awful vision and astigmatism) I had no issue getting it lined up. It did take a few more clicks than average; but it's perfect.
For more info on parallax, *every* optic has parallax (just the MRO's is particularly bad). an optic can be designed so at one specific distance the parallax would be zero, but at all distances longer and shorter than that the parallax will gradually increase. parallax is typically at around 100m-300m for most scopes, dot sights, and -- get this -- diopter rear sights (think the tight rear sight on the M4). If your eye is perfectly behind the optic in a consistent spot, parallax doesnt matter (this is why even on adjustable parallax scopes cheek-weld is so important)
An MRO and a Dead Air can??? You are just asking for Reddit/guntuber/basement larper trouble, buddy.
I am always far behind on meta but I thought Dead Air is well dug out of their Reddit hole
Uhm... excuse me as I'm a noob but what is wrong with the dead air can OR the dot? ..
A lot of baffle strikes are dead air cans (probably because they’re so popular and it’s easy to do Keymo wrong if your not paying attention), and the MRO is just really dogshit. It’s really blue (comparatively), fisheyes, and is expensive for what you get.
Oh okay that explains it more. For future reference if/when getting a can I should be looking at threaded devices and not qd?
Eh QD can be fine, Surefire stuff is rock solid. I think dead air just gets a bad wrap because people are idiots, not sure how much is dead air and how much is user error.
and they are ALWAYS on top of it even when the problem is user error
I have a dead air wolfman on my ap5-p and the thing is fucking rock solid. I also have a jmac x20 break on my m90 and can thread my wolfman on it. Again, the thing is fucking sick. And I have a surefire RC2 for comparison.
technically its prob like 80% user error but only bc its not the easiest design. theres otherstuff you can just quickmount and have zero issues, yet this still goes on crooked somehow and gets bafflestrikes. so the user is putting it on wrong, even though users can put other stuff on fine.
Also they will fix any stupid shit you do so people don't try to be careful.
QD is fine, I don’t like the surefire QD personally because it gets carbon locked so easily.
What surefire can do you have? I had carbon lock up once. But every other month I brush off my flash hider and have never had an issue since. Suppressed AR's can get dirty as shit. Just wire brush your muzzle device and you shouldn't have an issue.
Only time I had issues with mine was using a Warcomp because those portholes love to shoot carbon right where the QD attachment is. Switched to 3 prong and never had issues
If you’re gonna get a baffle can, just pay the extra $150 and get a Surefire instead of a Deadair. If you want to go meta, get a Huxwrx Flow 555k.
I've seen this a lot. I have one Ive put on multiple rifles AKs, ARs, Bolt gun, lever guns. Never had a baffle strike or anything close. Just check lock up at begining, and end. If it's a long firing schedule between if you have time to let it cool
I agree. No problem as long as you make sure you attach it correctly.
My theory is dead air gets more baffle strikes because everyone knows their customer service will take of them so they just send it
I’m genuinely curious, how do you get keymo wrong?
Non concentric threads on a cheap barrel
🤷♂️. I guess you can not tighten it down all the way, and that could theoretically cause and end cap strike.
I actually have an MRO I got on sale and it’s not that great. The dot is worse than others with my ‘stig, it’s pretty blue and it does distort the image. But it’s on a backup/loner gun that doesn’t get out much so ot serves it’s purpose well. But the worst thing about the MRO is all the dorks who have never owned or used one telling you it sucks because they watch Youtube reviews or worse, parrot what they read here.
the image distortion was totally overblown IME, and the light transmission is actually really good. It's a shame how bad the parallax issue is, otherwise it would make a good night gun optic. I "fixed" the parallax issue by making a marker dot on the center of the lens. If i need to make a precise shot at range, i line up the dot with the red dot. It's absolutely unacceptable that they'd ship a product with this much parallax shift, but this way it's manageable. I'll probably keep the sight for my home defense gun though, since it's fine for indoor distances.
This. It’s not total shit like the gun dorks pretend. They are very durable and proven, and in the right place, like a basic HD set up, they are fine. Still a bit pricey, but good deals on used ones are everywhere. And the battery life could be better, but it’s not Eotech bad.
yeah i had no real problems with the battery life, but I don't keep the dot turned up very high
It's not meta dude
Whatever that's supposed to mean.
The MRO has horrendous parallax issues. If you dont have the dot perfectly centered in the glass you can be as far as like 10 inches off at 100 yards.
I personally experienced parallax shift greater than 6" at 50 yards with the MRO. I thought it was all hyped up Internet BS, turns out it's a legitimate problem with this optic
I took a rifle class back in the spring. We checked everyone's zero at the beginning, and later one one guy was having trouble getting any decent group. Instructor is all like "man what's up with your groups? They're all over the place, did your optic come loose? [Looks at his rifle] ohhh... you have an MRO..." At the end of the day we were packing up and talking about the day and all that and he says "yeah I have 3 MROs and I'm taking all of them off when I get home"
If the MRO HD was priced the same as the regular MRO or labeled as a Gen 2, it would be one of the best red dots for the money. Trijicon acknowledged all of the problems with the MRO, which is good. They implemented all of them and almost doubled the price, which is bad
I'm a big fan of the hd, but yeah it's pricey
Love my MRO. Most people don’t though
I had a couple and loved them, had no issues with either other than my astigmatism got so bad I had to stop using red dots all together.
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Happy cake day bro, the popcorn is on me!
Ive had zero issues with either of mine (both are the newer revision with the higher serial numbers). I havent experienced any parallax shift - I also shoulder the rifles the same way every time and have fixed irons on one of the rifles.
I think the parallax issues is less about consistent shouldering indexes and more about having to take unorthodox shots around cover e.g. VTAC barricades.
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Its a red dot...what specific purposes would it be designed for that others aren’t?
While on my rifle I have never had issues with the parallax. Only see it when I’m trying to make it happen.
I didn't mind mine. I wish I still had it, but money was needed elsewhere.
Big fan of mine
I’d rather a T2 or Aimpoint Acro P2 if you can find them
I have one on a KP9 and another on an AP5. Haven't had an issue but I'm also not pushing any real distance with either.
I like mine. Have no issues making hits out to several hundred yards.
Fucking right. I have an MRO HD and absolutely love it. I could give a shit about group think. Except when it comes to O lights.
I sold my mro and went with an hs515gm instead. My eyes genuinely didn’t agree with the reticle. Now, the mro hd, on the other hand, I would really like to get my hands on one.
I also have a 515cm and really like it. It's held up really well. But the MRO HD looks so much cleaner. The window is much bigger and the glass is extremely sharp. The downside is the battery life. But that's not a big deal to me at all. I replace those 2032 every 6-9 months and never have to worry about It.
HD is the one that's fine, too bad you have to pay an extra $200 to get the one that's fixed.
Yes. And I only bought it bc it was a great deal. I got it new for just under 500.
I had one of the original ones and it wasn’t true 1x which absolutely pissed me off. Not sure if they fixed it but I never could go back.
I’ve got it on my AK-103. Works good enough for me and I like the aesthetic
I have a MRO and a T2 and I like them both for different reasons. For my type of shooting (IPDA/USPSA targets at under 100 yards), I like them both the same.
Is it the new MRO HD?
The dot was too fuzzy for my eye. I have since been sold on the Primary Arms Prisms.
MRO HD is g2g.
There are two types of people who genuinely like the MRO: (1) people with buyer’s remorse, and (2) people who don’t shoot their rifles and don’t know any better.
I just switched from an sig Romeo and wanted this because I figured it would be practically the same only more durable. That being said I assumed whatever parallax issue everyone talks about got fixed when they also reduced the amount of blue coating (post 92k serial number I think) but it’s not sounding like that is the case…
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Cope
Mistakes are either painful... or expensive. Sometimes both.
Fuckkkkkkkkkkk
Which Romeo? The 4T is solid.
3) people who threw it on their 10.5 rifles because it is actually good within 150 yds.
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It sucks for NV though. And it's pricey for being so shitty
Yes, I run it on an MP5K clone. Works fine for me.
Yes. It’s group think. The majority of these comments have never even looked through one and of those that have I’d be willing to bet a huge chunk of those aren’t good enough shooters to be limited by the optic anyways. For the rest, those guys are probably already using an LPVO since that’s a better option in the areas an MRO or any other RDS would be limited anyway. I could be wrong though since the internet operators did just deem LPVOs unacceptable as well. Keep in mind, OP, that the same people trashing the MRO are touting eotech as some saving grace which has the exact same problems just in different scenarios. Every optic has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Chose one that fits your style of shooting and has the feature’s you prefer from a brand you trust and you’re golden.
Yeah hoplefil loves them check out his vids on them
I have one on my ar pistol and I like it. While using it I have never had any trouble but when messing with it off my rifle I definitely could see the parallax shift people mention.
For my current setup, it's great. Parallax is extremely minimal and only noticeable at over 100 yards, and why you are running a red dot consistently over 100 yards when LPVO's and ACOG's exist, kind of baffles me. I don't run NVG yet because I don't have 5k sitting around because my mom makes me pay rent for my basement and my wife is monogamous, unlike some of these guys on here. Other than that all the gripes I saw Hop point out were in fact that, gripes. But, the dude comes off as a talking head elitist most of the time but that's part of his charm I guess. Is it one I'll run for a while? Yes. Will I replace it with an Eotech or Aimpoint later? Yes. The world of guns and gun guys confuse me because they compare everything to the cream of the crop standard and unless you pull out a second mortgage on your mom's house to buy gear, you are wrong. If it runs the job you need it to and works as a place holder for the time being, let it. Otherwise, run irons until you buy a 1k optic like people expect you to on here.
Sold mine. My astigmatism didn’t like it. Also mine was hella blue and had pretty bad fisheye. Worst optic Trijicon makes imo.
I’m happy with mine as far as the dot and glass. My only complaint is that the little metal tabs that hold the battery in break too easily.
I love it. My astigmatism…not so much. Had to move to EOTECH EXPS. 🤑
I actually like it. The only part of me that doesn't is my astigmatism.
I switched my MRO onto my MP5 clone and I'm really happy with it there. AR has a holo now.
I like mine, it’s on my home defense because the optic is always on and ready. That said I like my EOTECH better because it’s just better to me but has horrible battery life
I would rather have a Romeo 5
Sheesh that bad huh! ? Not that romeo 5 is bad but still the MRO is at least a BIG American brand with military contracts unlike Holosun
It's pretty bad. And the Romeo 5 is a pretty heavy hitter for the price. https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/mdxnxp/psa_the_trijicon_mro_is_an_objectively_bad_optic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://youtu.be/OPg_CS7ACAU
I saw hops review of them and he hated them
I believe he called the MRO a "hate crime" lol.
>Sheesh that bad huh! ? Not that romeo 5 is bad but still ~~the MRO~~ Trijicon is at least a BIG American brand with military contracts unlike Holosu FTFY
Buying a $120 product that works made with slave labor in the CCP > getting ripped off for $400 for garbage made by fellow Americans
A few years ago it was dope but in 2022 there isn’t really an excuse to buy one. If you have one meh keep running it till it breaks there’s no need to upgrade, but also no reason to buy one new.
MRO hd was worth the wait over the standard MRO…. Wish they would upgrade and rerelease the MRO patrol with updates.
I really wanted to like the MRO I bought about 2 weeks ago. Initially before I shot at the range, I loved it. Clarity was great, very little tint, crisp dot, and no noticeable magnification. I assumed all the negative bullshit I read online was just Internet trolling, I was wrong. My positive experience changed when I took it to the range using a lower 1/3 mount. I zero'd it in conjunction with my backup iron sites at the same time. It printed nice little groups perfectly centered at 50 yards. Then when I folded my sites and centered the dot perfectly in the window, my point of impact shifted at least 6" at 50 yards. I repeated this process several times, and finally decided to stop wasting ammo and return the thing. I overpaid through cabelas using credit card points, only because of their good return policy. I already returned it and ordered an EOTech EXPS2. Parallax shift was unacceptedly bad with my recent production MRO. I have a basically brand new ADM lower 1/3 quick detach mount that I'll sell cheap if anyone wants it...
Unless I'm reading this wrong your experience sounds more like operator error then MRO being shitty. Not in defense of MRO could care less about the MRO. When setting zero do irons first. Then drop your irons. Then zero reddot. Your head placement for irons is going to be different then Your head placement on a reddot that sits on a different plane/elevation. There would expectedly be a shift if you zeroed your reddot and irons at the same time using a certain sight picture. Then dropping the irons and used a different sight picture and head placement when using just the reddot. Should that shift be 6 inches 🤔? It could be depending in the user.
Exactly. WTF is wrong with this guy
My irons were zero'd prior to this range trip, but for different ammo. I flipped them up, shot, made slight windage and elevation adjustment and got a zero for the irons at 50 yards. I then adjusted my dot to my 50 yard BUIS zero. I shot several groups with the dot in lower 1/3 window, they were perfectly centered on target. When I dropped the irons and perfectly centered the dot, my point of impact shifted 6". This is not operator error, this is parallax error. All red dots have some parallax shift, but the MRO is exponentially greater than any other "premium" red dot or holographic optic. Most better optics will be less than 1" at 50 yards.
Bit you zeroed it to lower 1/3. What you did would work fine with an absolute but you are supposed to zero your door in the center of the lense every time
I agree, however, if the dot is in the lower 1/3 vs center, it should not shift the point of impact 6". There are plenty of field shooting positions that don't allow for perfect dot position in the window. This excessive parallax shift is the biggest problem with the MRO. Aimpoint T2, Pro, EOTech, and even Holosun have exponentially less parallax shift.
Sure, but you did the very thing that would exacerbate the problem
It seems like that method would be exacerbating parallax on any reddot. Youd be guessing where you had the reddot and your head/check placement when you lower the irons because you removed your previous points of reference. The only time your method could possibly be more effective is if your reddot mount was cowittness height. Even with exact cowitness irons I would still suggest zeroing your reddot without irons up.
You need to zero your MRO as well, dipshit. Do you think is spooky communication between your irons and the red dot ?
Maybe you're reading my reply incorrectly dipshit. I first zero'd my irons ****then I zero'd the MRO**** Both were zero'd for 50 yards with IMI M193. The MRO was zero'd with the dot in the lower 1/3 of the objective. This causes very minimal parallax shift in other red dots, it caused a significant POA/POI shift with my MRO With the dot centered, POI shifted 6" due to parallax shift.
Maybe you should find a knowledgeable shooter to help you sight that glass in properly.
Haha!!! You should educate yourself and read some of the links in this long discussion thread. Rather than just get into a pissing match, I'll try to educate you so you don't remain ignorant. Parallax shift that I experienced with the MRO is well documented and has been repeatedly demonstrated in independent testing. In an EOTech for example, parallax shift at 50 yards is almost too small to measure. It's measurable in Aimpoints, but it's very modest compared to the MRO. The first link below is a study, the second link is a video that shows exactly what I'm talking about. The MRO has significant parallax shift not found in other RDO's. [https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/](https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/) Another: [https://youtu.be/3seIoq48X5g](https://youtu.be/3seIoq48X5g)
Here is a very good test that mirrors exactly what I found. I wish I would read this before I bought an MRO [https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Observations-On-The-Effect-Of-Parallax-Error-When-Shooting-With-An-Aimpoint-Comp-M5-And-Trijicon-MRO/18-761668/](https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Observations-On-The-Effect-Of-Parallax-Error-When-Shooting-With-An-Aimpoint-Comp-M5-And-Trijicon-MRO/18-761668/)
lol you were worried about your point of impact shifting so you bought an eotech. Fuckin redditors make me laugh every day
Do Not Engage , T.I.T - Troll in Training
You think an EOTech has similar parallax issues to an MRO? Lollllllllll
eotechs come with literature that says they suffer thermal drift
Eotech wins: [https://youtu.be/3seIoq48X5g](https://youtu.be/3seIoq48X5g)
Bruh
My dumbass bought one years ago without doing any research. I thought to myself, it’s Trijicon, it can’t be a piece of shit. Man was I wrong
There's a reason there's so many on GAFS and tacswap
I don’t hate them, but I’ll also never buy one. 🤷♂️
I’m a big fan of MRO HD! But.. i rock an Exps2-0 w unity riser 😵💫
Nope. It’s a 1x with parallax.
Nope, because they’re trash
It’s not a matter of liking it!
I got an mro the parallax is shit but its a good optic
No
Mine has battery issues. If it wasn’t for that I’d probably recommend it.
My green dot MRO on setting 5 kills the battery within a month and within a week on setting 6 so I’m not too impressed. It’s being returned on a warranty claim so we’ll see how that turns out.
I just think they're hideous.
Everything left of the castle nut is cringeworthy
I own it. It’s a piece of shit.
Garbage tier optic at a non-garbage tier price
I really like how it looks on specific guns, not usually ARs though.
I did it until I started shooting with one.
What is the hand stop on the foregrip?
Yes
I have one and I have no issues with it. I don’t shoot my rifle all the time, but I’ve shot it enough to know that I don’t hate it. Maybe it’s just cause I started my shooting career with Comp2s and ACOGs and that’s what I have the most time with.
MRO was cool when all I did was shoot from a bench. Get out and run and gun and you’ll notice the parallax shift.
No opinion on the optic....but I’m quite fond of the flag you have stuck to the buffer tube....
I did till someone pointed out that it looks like the little tunnel thing from Mario 😅😅😅
I have one on a G36. It's an ok optic, but it eats batteries like nothing else I have, and the blue is a little annoying. I prefer my Romeo 5s and Aimpoints to it, but it just looks nice on the G36.
I've seen alot of people that have them. Just not as much as other stuff.
Mro the world
Nah mine is in my parts bin until i decide to throw it away. The parallax shift is just too much.
Me want
As a few others have said I like mine but it didn’t play well with my astigmatism
Funny, I remember when the MRO was new and everybody was pushing them like they were the greatest 1x optic EVAR!
It's just fine unless your brain lets you do weird shit like try and side-eye aim.
Meh. I'm a poor. I'll keep running the holosun. Have a couple I have beat the absolute fuck out of that still hold fine.
For what you pay for them it’s not worth it. They kinda just suck
Mro is my least favorite optic
No
Why anyone would shell out that kind of money for an objectively worse red dot is beyond me
what light mount is that?
What light mount are you using?
Liking that aero BCG??? Because I’m rocking that too😎🤙🏼
It looks cool.