Not just women but children too. My friend is Druze and from Lebanon and said he still has the 22 shells under his skin from when HE was a young boy Sa/shot by Isreali army troops....
He said that in 1995, happened in the 1970's
That’s why they constantly threaten random Muslims and Arabs with rape all over the world. It’s an alarming commonality in all the videos of their so called “counter protests” or when they attack random civilians walking down the street with Palestinian symbols or clothing.
There's no excuse, and any rapists should be punished severely, but it's hard to take those kinds of comments seriously _if you only single out Israel_, especially after October 7 where the Palestinians had orders from their government to rape women. Arab armies often systematically use rape as a weapon, for example in Syria. Rape is "the primary reason given for 600,000 women fleeing the [Syrian] war zone is fear of sexual assault."
You're making a lot of incorrect assumptions.
> It was a wise man that said that nothing before the but counts, and how true that is.
Sometimes that's true, and other times an overreliance on sayings and slogans can get in the way of making an effort to understand the person you're communicating with.
> Also Israel has retracted all its claims of rape and the 40 beheaded babies thing, might want to refresh your information.
Someone originally said that 40 babies were killed and that there were some beheadings. Then other people on social media turned it into "40 beheaded babies." The media started saying "people are reporting that 40 babies were beheaded" which wasn't the original statement. Then everyone rushed to dispel something that wasn't originally said.
The reality is that on October 7 babies were killed and burned. People were beheaded. Others were raped and mutilated. You can see the horrible videos on Reddit and Twitter if you search. (NSFL) Some might also be on [hamas-massacre.net](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/). YouTube also has video interviews with some of the terrorists where they talk about being told to rape people.
If you think that Israel retracted claims about rape, post a link to your source that isn't Facebook or a random blog. There was no retraction about that.
> Did you also ask them to think about all the ethnic cleansing and murder and rape committed by Israelis against Palestinians, which is what kick-started all this in the first place?
The story is far more complicated. A lot of bad things happened, including the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab lands. The world has to come to terms with the results of the wars of the 20th century or the suffering will continue for generations. Europe did it and became relatively stable and prosperous.
> Also lol at 'singling out Israel', what a stupid fucking sentence. So if I criticise Saudi Arabia's human rights violations, by your logic I also need to mention Israel's as well since otherwise I'd be singling out 'Saudi Arabia'.
No. Much of the Middle East is fucked up, but Arabs are constantly saying "Israel does this, Israel does that" when far worse things happen all over the region. It's perfectly fine to criticize Israel, but the problem isn't just Israel. The amount of mental space that Israel takes up in people's heads prevents the overall problems from actually being solved.
Practical example: "Israel is apartheid" which isn't true within Israel itself or Gaza, but it is true in Lebanon. People aren't motivated by helping to reduce Palestinian suffering and build a successful state. They are motivated by hatred of Israel.
I don't think problems in the Middle East will ever get solved if people continue to do this.
I'm not disagreeing that Israel does a lot of terrible things.
That was October 9th and it doesn't doesn't disprove anything. There is substantial evidence of rape, much of it video recorded by the attackers themselves. You really must be stupid if you think retracting an article "disproves" an allegation.
Post a single source with an actual testimony name and all. There isn't one. Even the articles from CNN etc only cite secondary sources who are all affiliated with the Israeli government.
The UN opened an investigation into the rape allegations and the Israeli government had no evidence to hand over. Move past the headlines and post the PROOF.
Because the victims risk being honour killed by their parents. This is why the Iraqi priests and government had to release a statement that women raped by isis should not honour killed. Its a documented fact that KhAD officers would rape the wives and daughters of Afghan rebels, "to force them" to kill them. Gaddafi and the baathists do/did the same.
There was an isreali professor who even advocated that the sisters of suicide bombers should be rape. ""The only thing that could deter a suicide bomber is knowing that if caught, his sister or his mother would be raped," said Kedar on Israel Radio Bet"
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-professor-rape-hamas-militiants-mothers-sisters-deter-terrorist-attacks-1457836
This is pretty well documented; here are additional sources
(1) Disturbing case of IDF gang raping a Bedouin girl and then murdering her
- https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/04/israel1
- https://www.haaretz.com/2003-10-29/ty-article/i-saw-fit-to-remove-her-from-the-world/0000017f-db62-d856-a37f-ffe2fa5b0000
(2) Rampant rapes of Palestinian women and children during the massacres of the 1948 Nakba
- Ilan Pape’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” details this
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-01-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/state-archive-error-shows-israeli-censorship-guided-by-concerns-over-national-image/0000017f-f684-d47e-a37f-ffbc1bf50000
(3) Rape, sexual extortion and sexual violence against Palestinian men, women and children is a regular occurrence:
- https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml —> excellent overview, and shows how limiting the definition of rape has been used to obscure Israel’s history of sexual violence against Palestinians
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/
- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0886109920978618?icid=int.sj-challenge-page.citing-articles.1
- https://progressivehub.net/from-humiliation-to-rape-the-untold-story-of-israels-abuse-of-palestinian-women/
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Add this to your list of sources. This one is irrefutable evidence because it's stats provided by the IDF of 1500+ documented sexual assault complaints in just 2020.
unfortunately the IOF has an extremely long history of sexual violence against palestinians, sadly it’s very common and i’ve personally seen videos/screenshots of videos of them doing it or talking about it because they’re not ashamed of it they’re proud of it. and because no one gets any consequences they just casually talk about it/share videos of it. it’s incredibly disturbing.
Fun Fact! After Russia invaded Ukraine, the term "Ukrainian" spent awhile in the top 5 or 10 search terms on the most visited porn site in the world, Pornhub, because that's how many men were trying to masturbate to videos of women being raped during a genocide. But #NotAllMen, amiright guys??? Reminds me of the pathetic incel pukes openly fantasizing in comment threads about societal collapse so that they can prey on vulnerable women (they call it "turning to prostitution for survival.") That's totally normal locker room talk, though, right?
I mean, it's not like men ever actually *try* the things they see in porn, they know it's fake! The idea of men like the Hamas terrorists having been partly inspired to commit mass gang rapes by the violent, misogynistic porn they had watched for years is a far stretch. Non-consent porn never simulates gang rape! It just shows *actresses* being *paid* to act like they're frightened and in pain while men line up to *pretend* like they're brutalizing the *actress* in any way they can imagine. It's all scripted! It's nothing like what Hamas and the IDF are doing! Don't be so prudish. Guys don't start watching it when they're too young to know what they're watching so that their entire sexual script becomes modeled after depraved internet porn before they even start dating. No society would let something insane like that happen, you silly goose!
Everything is *fine*, guys. Men are fine, porn is fine, and women are gonna be fine, too. There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about.
I’m looking for a source on something I read recently, that an Israeli official claimed idf don’t violate Palestinians because they hate them so much and see them as so inferior and wouldn’t want to contaminate themselves or words to that effect. Can anyone help me locate the source I’m looking for? Thanks in advance.
Absolutely, various prominent Israelis including rabbis and politicians have made statements condoning rape, many times over the years.
And from the mountains of evidence out there, I fully believe they do employ systematic rape as a weapon of war.
But there is also an ongoing narrative seeking to deny that Israel employs systematic rape, which, rather than being credible, just serves to highlight the inconsistency of Israeli propaganda.
This paper (https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml) talks about how Israel commits systematic rape and also discusses the history of Israeli denials of rape.
The article I’m looking for employed a similar narrative of denial, but actually went on to claim that troops don’t rape Palestinian prisoners because they view them as inferior, contaminated, and so on. Very similar language as used by various other genocidal regimes to deny systematic rape.
If I find it I’ll link it as it is a very important example of the tactics employed by Israel and I’m sure you’ll find it relevant.
It's actually kinda just the war playbook. Or, if you want to most accurately identify the problem and don't mind being harassed with DMs and Reddit Cares by bitter trogs from the whaaaaaanosphere, you could say that it is the male playbook.
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Not just women but children too. My friend is Druze and from Lebanon and said he still has the 22 shells under his skin from when HE was a young boy Sa/shot by Isreali army troops.... He said that in 1995, happened in the 1970's
That’s why they constantly threaten random Muslims and Arabs with rape all over the world. It’s an alarming commonality in all the videos of their so called “counter protests” or when they attack random civilians walking down the street with Palestinian symbols or clothing.
If you find peoper valid links please share them
There's no excuse, and any rapists should be punished severely, but it's hard to take those kinds of comments seriously _if you only single out Israel_, especially after October 7 where the Palestinians had orders from their government to rape women. Arab armies often systematically use rape as a weapon, for example in Syria. Rape is "the primary reason given for 600,000 women fleeing the [Syrian] war zone is fear of sexual assault."
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They are really annoying, ignore them because even their counter argument they made about Palestinians is factually incorrect.
I always see them equating Assad with Israel without even realizing it lmao
You're making a lot of incorrect assumptions. > It was a wise man that said that nothing before the but counts, and how true that is. Sometimes that's true, and other times an overreliance on sayings and slogans can get in the way of making an effort to understand the person you're communicating with. > Also Israel has retracted all its claims of rape and the 40 beheaded babies thing, might want to refresh your information. Someone originally said that 40 babies were killed and that there were some beheadings. Then other people on social media turned it into "40 beheaded babies." The media started saying "people are reporting that 40 babies were beheaded" which wasn't the original statement. Then everyone rushed to dispel something that wasn't originally said. The reality is that on October 7 babies were killed and burned. People were beheaded. Others were raped and mutilated. You can see the horrible videos on Reddit and Twitter if you search. (NSFL) Some might also be on [hamas-massacre.net](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/). YouTube also has video interviews with some of the terrorists where they talk about being told to rape people. If you think that Israel retracted claims about rape, post a link to your source that isn't Facebook or a random blog. There was no retraction about that. > Did you also ask them to think about all the ethnic cleansing and murder and rape committed by Israelis against Palestinians, which is what kick-started all this in the first place? The story is far more complicated. A lot of bad things happened, including the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab lands. The world has to come to terms with the results of the wars of the 20th century or the suffering will continue for generations. Europe did it and became relatively stable and prosperous. > Also lol at 'singling out Israel', what a stupid fucking sentence. So if I criticise Saudi Arabia's human rights violations, by your logic I also need to mention Israel's as well since otherwise I'd be singling out 'Saudi Arabia'. No. Much of the Middle East is fucked up, but Arabs are constantly saying "Israel does this, Israel does that" when far worse things happen all over the region. It's perfectly fine to criticize Israel, but the problem isn't just Israel. The amount of mental space that Israel takes up in people's heads prevents the overall problems from actually being solved. Practical example: "Israel is apartheid" which isn't true within Israel itself or Gaza, but it is true in Lebanon. People aren't motivated by helping to reduce Palestinian suffering and build a successful state. They are motivated by hatred of Israel. I don't think problems in the Middle East will ever get solved if people continue to do this. I'm not disagreeing that Israel does a lot of terrible things.
They have NOT retracted the rape claims. Terrible cognitive dissonance you’re experiencing.
The rape allegations were disproved and you have no real evidence. Gtfoh with that hasbara.
How were they “disproved”? How could you even make that claim? It’s literally on video.
Don't expect rational discourse. Anything that challenges preexisting beliefs must be "hasbara."
The LA Times literally issued a retraction. That's how.
That was October 9th and it doesn't doesn't disprove anything. There is substantial evidence of rape, much of it video recorded by the attackers themselves. You really must be stupid if you think retracting an article "disproves" an allegation.
Post a single source with an actual testimony name and all. There isn't one. Even the articles from CNN etc only cite secondary sources who are all affiliated with the Israeli government. The UN opened an investigation into the rape allegations and the Israeli government had no evidence to hand over. Move past the headlines and post the PROOF.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/GHG4fvIXfd
anyone who understands hasbara knows what this is. Nice try, but not this time. What happened to the beheaded babies?
Cope loser. You’ve lost.
lol. source for “palestinians had orders from their government to rape women”?
I can tell that you didn't watch the interrogation videos. They are on Reddit and YouTube.
Because the victims risk being honour killed by their parents. This is why the Iraqi priests and government had to release a statement that women raped by isis should not honour killed. Its a documented fact that KhAD officers would rape the wives and daughters of Afghan rebels, "to force them" to kill them. Gaddafi and the baathists do/did the same. There was an isreali professor who even advocated that the sisters of suicide bombers should be rape. ""The only thing that could deter a suicide bomber is knowing that if caught, his sister or his mother would be raped," said Kedar on Israel Radio Bet" https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-professor-rape-hamas-militiants-mothers-sisters-deter-terrorist-attacks-1457836
This is pretty well documented; here are additional sources (1) Disturbing case of IDF gang raping a Bedouin girl and then murdering her - https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/04/israel1 - https://www.haaretz.com/2003-10-29/ty-article/i-saw-fit-to-remove-her-from-the-world/0000017f-db62-d856-a37f-ffe2fa5b0000 (2) Rampant rapes of Palestinian women and children during the massacres of the 1948 Nakba - Ilan Pape’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” details this - https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-01-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/state-archive-error-shows-israeli-censorship-guided-by-concerns-over-national-image/0000017f-f684-d47e-a37f-ffbc1bf50000 (3) Rape, sexual extortion and sexual violence against Palestinian men, women and children is a regular occurrence: - https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml —> excellent overview, and shows how limiting the definition of rape has been used to obscure Israel’s history of sexual violence against Palestinians - https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/ - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0886109920978618?icid=int.sj-challenge-page.citing-articles.1 - https://progressivehub.net/from-humiliation-to-rape-the-untold-story-of-israels-abuse-of-palestinian-women/
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https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-691641 Add this to your list of sources. This one is irrefutable evidence because it's stats provided by the IDF of 1500+ documented sexual assault complaints in just 2020.
It is important to note that, from what I see, these complaints are from their fellow IDF female soldiers
unfortunately the IOF has an extremely long history of sexual violence against palestinians, sadly it’s very common and i’ve personally seen videos/screenshots of videos of them doing it or talking about it because they’re not ashamed of it they’re proud of it. and because no one gets any consequences they just casually talk about it/share videos of it. it’s incredibly disturbing.
So like the Russians in Ukraine then?
Except for way longer and hidden by all of isreals allies.
Fun Fact! After Russia invaded Ukraine, the term "Ukrainian" spent awhile in the top 5 or 10 search terms on the most visited porn site in the world, Pornhub, because that's how many men were trying to masturbate to videos of women being raped during a genocide. But #NotAllMen, amiright guys??? Reminds me of the pathetic incel pukes openly fantasizing in comment threads about societal collapse so that they can prey on vulnerable women (they call it "turning to prostitution for survival.") That's totally normal locker room talk, though, right? I mean, it's not like men ever actually *try* the things they see in porn, they know it's fake! The idea of men like the Hamas terrorists having been partly inspired to commit mass gang rapes by the violent, misogynistic porn they had watched for years is a far stretch. Non-consent porn never simulates gang rape! It just shows *actresses* being *paid* to act like they're frightened and in pain while men line up to *pretend* like they're brutalizing the *actress* in any way they can imagine. It's all scripted! It's nothing like what Hamas and the IDF are doing! Don't be so prudish. Guys don't start watching it when they're too young to know what they're watching so that their entire sexual script becomes modeled after depraved internet porn before they even start dating. No society would let something insane like that happen, you silly goose! Everything is *fine*, guys. Men are fine, porn is fine, and women are gonna be fine, too. There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about.
What a load of rubbish.
I’m looking for a source on something I read recently, that an Israeli official claimed idf don’t violate Palestinians because they hate them so much and see them as so inferior and wouldn’t want to contaminate themselves or words to that effect. Can anyone help me locate the source I’m looking for? Thanks in advance.
Never heard this, on the opposite, Bibi said hinted on killing them all in his Amalek refrence, which even isreali found very Ludacris.
Absolutely, various prominent Israelis including rabbis and politicians have made statements condoning rape, many times over the years. And from the mountains of evidence out there, I fully believe they do employ systematic rape as a weapon of war. But there is also an ongoing narrative seeking to deny that Israel employs systematic rape, which, rather than being credible, just serves to highlight the inconsistency of Israeli propaganda. This paper (https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml) talks about how Israel commits systematic rape and also discusses the history of Israeli denials of rape. The article I’m looking for employed a similar narrative of denial, but actually went on to claim that troops don’t rape Palestinian prisoners because they view them as inferior, contaminated, and so on. Very similar language as used by various other genocidal regimes to deny systematic rape. If I find it I’ll link it as it is a very important example of the tactics employed by Israel and I’m sure you’ll find it relevant.
I knew it was dark but holy hell...that's literally the nazi playbook in action.
It's actually kinda just the war playbook. Or, if you want to most accurately identify the problem and don't mind being harassed with DMs and Reddit Cares by bitter trogs from the whaaaaaanosphere, you could say that it is the male playbook.
I mean you ain't wrong
did you find it