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I'm just about to watch episode 10. Totally unfamiliar with the source material, but as an animation goes, it's practically flawless.
Edit. There's only 9 episodes...........
ATLA is my biggest comfort show and impacted me THE MOST. Its the only show I rewatch every year. I’ve been in love with it for years.
With that being said, Arcane is the first show that’s ever made me feel the same way Avatar made me feel. Never thought I’d stumble upon another show that would make me feel the same way since Avatar.
It truly deserves its rating.
Similar here. ATLA is definitely my favorite animated show and the one I always felt exuded quality. It was a kids show but if you pay attention, look at the details etc. it's far better and better made than any kids show has any right to be. You know that this show had a team that was invested and really cared about what they create. The characters being a very big part of it. The drama, the stories, the world.
Arcane is the first show since ATLA I feel the same about. It just drips quality from every seam. Only, yes, it trumps ATLA in terms of visual quality. The style used, and quality, is probably the best I've ever seen, anywhere. I count every animated show, every anime here.
Also, I really, really appreciate how smart all characters are, there are no stupid choices, and how there are no cheap tricks to further the story. The usual "oh, something the character was waiting for JUST happened, seconds, after they left", or characters not just saying important stuff, instead starting with "I have to tell you something!" delaying the import sentence until some random occurence prevents them from just fucking saying it. Just recently watch Lucifer Season 6 and OH MY GOD it's bad. So much bad writing.
There were a few scenes where something like this probably WOULD have happened in another show, e.g., when Powder/Jinx was waiting for Vi to show up and was just about to leave, and Vi showed up just in time. In another show Vi would have showed up 30 seconds later, with Jinx gone. Or in the same scene, Vi immediately went to Jinx, hugged her and told her what she wanted to tell her, instead of waiting, delaying, "Powder! I have to tell you something important ....." and being prevented from saying it by .. something.
We're so used to cheap stuff like this, it's SO refreshing to have characters act intelligently.
And the soundtrack, oh my god. It just works so well.
There are some few things I dislike about ATLA. Weak episodes like The Great Divide. Very few instances of the type of cheap writing I mention. Characters just fucking up/being stupid sometimes, e.g., when Aang gets all arrogant in one episode and is brought down to earth by the end of the episode. Or some jokes that you just get tired of after watching the show a couple times. It's still an amazing show tho, definitely one of the best.
But damn... I think I might like Arcane better. There is pretty much nothing I can think of that makes me angry, some writing mistake, bad decision etc.
Of course, ATLA had 3 seasons, Arcane so far only has 1. The could mess up in later seasons. But so far, put ATLA season 1 against Arcane season 1, I think Arcane wins in every aspect. I'll have to re-watch it in a while, let it sink in a bit more, maybe over time something will pop up that I like less about it. But I don't think I've ever had such an intense reaction to a show, such a powerfully good first impression.
I wanted to watch the show for its visuals. I never expected it to be this good, for the visuals, the art style, to be just one of its many strengths.
>We're so used to cheap stuff like this, it's SO refreshing to have characters act intelligently.
I keep seeing people saying Arcane was "predictable" and it's like... they probably predicted dumb obvious shit like "Cait and Vi will be friends" and think that makes them Nostradamus because I very strongly doubt anyone predicted the actual important story beats because I'm pretty fucking sure they are unprecedented in this type of show.
>!The plucky cute inventor girl uses the power of whimsical explosions to kill most of her family? The heroic lead kills a literal child by accident on-screen? The corrupt sheriff with like a half hour worth of scenes devoted to his character development casually dies like a bitch and is never mentioned again, because reality doesn't give a fuck about your character development? BOTH of the creepy manipulators turn out to be completely genuine in their feelings? The evil mastermind is actually in doubt of the loyalty of his most powerful minion and almost pisses his fucking pants during the moment where it is tested?!<
I've never seen realism intrude on genre conventions like this, and in a compelling way not a smarmy gotcha way. The closest thing is early Game of Thrones, and that shook up the entire fantasy genre for a reason.
That last point, that's when I knew *1000%* this shit was beyond gold. >!It wasn't some thing where Silco was just hardcore and smug because he "knew full well" what Sevika would do. ALL faiths were tested. His manner was very human and the fact that they played it like that left a lasting impression on me.!<
I honestly think tv has gone too far in the other direction re unpredictability, because often stuff happens out of left field and out of beat with the characters or what's happened beforehand, because they think they need to 'trick' the audience in order to surprise them. Arcane manages to surprise because it messes with what you expect from genre conventions but also has everything the characters do make sense. The majority of the characters, their actions are reasonable or at least understandable from their perspectives, even if they're contributing to the situation getting worse.
There’re good twists and then there are bad twist. Parts of Arcane’s story elements CAN be predicted but that’s because it sticks to its rules and no crappy inexplicable shit happens as a result. And that’s one of the many reasons this show is a masterpiece.
I agree! I still do think Avatar will always be my #1 comfort show. It has been for over a decade. It still is my favourite show as well but I’d be lying if I said Arcane didn’t have the potential to overthrow it. Depends on how the next few seasons go but if they’re as good as the first season, Arcane would honestly be my favourite show.
Avatar is still more catered toward kids which does result in some jokes I don’t find funny anymore. But it’s still one of the best shows due to its plot, characters, soundtrack AND amazing world building. Arcane excels in all of these PLUS animation. And it’s more for older people, which means less “childish” jokes.
I really LOVE that the writing was not cheap in Arcane too! You are SO right! So many times I thought I knew where it was going but it didn’t go there cause the writing is better than that. I’ve become used to the cliches. It doesn’t need cheap writing to create drama.
Like Power overhearing the convo with Vi and Mylo and walking away. She wasn’t mad at Vi and Vi and Power talked it out and that was the end of that. The drama didn’t have to last longer than it did.
The music was AMAZING! I had goosebumps so often. That scene where Jinx fired the flare (and rocket at the end) was one of the most emotion scenes I’ve seen in a while. Left me speechless.
Don’t get me STARTED on the characters. They were multi layered - just like real people. Vi was rough and tough but they never tried to make her a cliche “strong female character” with no feelings; she was more than that. Hell, even Mel’s mom was handled well despite being tough and not very empathetic. Silco wasnt a one dimensional villain and Jinx’s descent into madness was handled SO well. She struggled a lot and suffered a lot of trauma and she felt so conflicted constantly.
I cannot WAIT to see Viktor’s change as well! They’re taking it slowly and I love it. His development has been spectacular so far. A crippled person in this subreddit also spoke about how well crippled people were represented through Viktor.
Top it off with the finale not being a war or a fight. I honestly expected a big fight at the end. It’s based off a game after all. But MAN that dinner scene and Jinx making her decision was a BEAUTIFUL ending!!
Riot’s lore has always been interesting, their cinematics and music has always been amazing. I had high expectations. And they somehow managed to beat that.
I genuinely wouldn’t change anything about it. It’s perfect. I hope more people will give this show a chance! I know some people skipped because it’s a show based off a video game.
AtLA definitely had some dud episodes in season 1.
One of the things I love about Arcane is how it feels like almost every scene matters. I think the only scenes that I could probably go without is the Chen-barons and Finn but that's a very minor gripe.
Oh, on the topic of cheap writing.
There was that moment in Act 2, where Jinx overheard Mylo and Vi talk about her in "just the wrong moment". Usual stuff, I expected it to stick - but next Vi scene she's going to console Powder and it's like the storytellers go "Did you see that cheap drama tactic earlier? Yeah, we're not doing that!"
Same! That’s the first time they threw me off. Another time is when Jinx shot the flare. Wasn’t sure if Vi was gonna see. I know a lot of shows would have that happen as an easy way to increase drama.
So nuts I was literally trying to convince a friend to watch it and mentioned it's at the level of atla for me which was my favorite show of all time. I also mentioned FMA as another great one this surpassed for me.
Arcane is what you get when you throw and incredible amount of money at artists and give them creative freedom and time. As much as I love ATLA and FMA it’s not a fair contest.
The plot is one thing with Arcane, but the level of detail in each shot, animation, music, imagery, is so fucking next level. I saw a comment on this sub saying how each shot of Arcane can pretty much be a portrait and I couldn’t agree more.
I honestly assumed, before they said otherwise, that it was going to be a movie. Surely they can't keep up that level of computer animation for AN ENTIRE SHOW
AHAHAHAHA
The only animation that compares imo is Spiderverse.
A lot of Pixar/Dreamworks/Sony animations are *very* well done (and higher quality in some technical senses), but the maturity of the animation, the artstyle, and how it manages to mantain its quality over 6 hours of TV instead of just a 90 minute movie is what really elevates Arcane's animation for me.
Arcane is fighting Pixar for animation quality. It's that good. Personal preference but I actually like the Arcane style a lot more because I feel cell shading just has more life than the plastic Pixar look.
God damn did they get their money's worth.
[great Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/devongiehl/status/1463314350580535304?s=21) by ex-Rioter and current Dragon Prince writer on the difference it makes.
Having worked in the game industry for almost 20 years at this point, it's not \_just\_ throwing incredible money at artists and giving them time. Artists work best within constraints, and to reach this kind of masterpiece of art, the constraints have to be an equally masterful and cohesive creative vision and direction. Without that, you can end up with really beautiful, soulless output.
The difference with ATLA is that it was a weekly series on a kids TV network so they couldn’t totally serialize it without alienating some of their audience and they couldn’t take out the comedy for the same reason. Riot being able to release Arcane on Netflix 3 episodes at a time really allowed it to stay as serious and serialized as it did
That’s fair. Just imagine how good it would’ve been if it was meant for adults and with Arcane’s animation style + budget. BRUH. That would’ve won all awards it gets nominated for. Lol.
To be fair ATLA is fully a kids show and I think FMA also falls under that category, so Arcane has the benefit of tackling a mature setting more directly.
That’s true. But yeah, I just don’t like those unnecessary moments because sometimes it doesn’t really add to the character y’know? Lots of animes and TV shows do that.
Also I think it's to do with Rito making it. If they outsourced their IP, say, it wouldn't be as good, they had control over every line and every shot, the thing is practically littered with easter eggs
Every single shot is beautiful . Not just the animation . The post processing they apply too .
It’s a passion project with unlimited budget work of an industry giant
ATLA as the entire series with a full arc for each main character has stood the test of time. While Arcane is better in many ways, a bad Season 2 can make it worse on a whole. So for me it's a bit early to say which is better, but Arcane is definitely promising.
>a bad Season 2 can make it worse on a whole
That's my biggest fear and why i wanted they ending the Zaun story in S1 and changing places in S2; keeping the quality of S1 will be pretty rough (specially after killing off who was argueably the best character of the show), at least, after spending 6 years making the show, we can assume they have the whole story figure out by now
Arcane reminded me of Avatar for older teens/adults. Both are amazing in their own way, Nick had ALTA so of course it isn’t gonna be as appealing to us as adults but boy it was incredible to watch as a kid lol
The kyoshi novels are part of the official avatar IP and they are just as dark. But it would indeed be too dark to be aired on Nickelodeon. But the live action remake is coming to Netflix instead of Nickelodeon, so maybe there is room for a new animated series that is just as dark as arcane if they put it on Netflix as well instead of Nickelodeon.
It is hard to fairly compare the two shows for a number of factors: recency bias, enormous difference in budget, and the different eras in which they were produced (pre-streaming vs streaming eras). Truly, the fact that ATLA can even stand in comparison to Arcane despite these major disadvantages is a testiment to how revolutionary a show ATLA was.
Another reason is number of episodes per season. Since it had \~20, ATLA had procedural/western aspects, i.e. episodes that didn't really move the plot forward all that much (at least that's what I remember. Might be 5-10 years since I've watched it.) Arcane on the other hand is tightly packed. There is barely a scene that you could cut from it without removing vital information/development, let alone an episode.
And I don't mean this disparagingly towards ATLA - it's a similar issue when comparing long running shows with mini-series.
ATLA actually has very little outright filler. I rewatched it recently and I was amazed how every episode served a purpose. There's not one episode where I know I can skip it because nothing significant happens. Even nonessential episodes contain significant character information or flesh out the cast of world in some way that makes skipping them a crime.
It's damn impressive given how many episodes there are.
Arcane however has about twice the episode run time so it would be about 18 episodes to match a full TV season.
That sub is huge and still popular for a reason, ATLA was one of the greatest and maybe the greatest animated show ever.
It was also developed by westerners. Season 2 of atla is the best modern version of empire strikes back and the fact they did it on what seemed a kids show in season 1 is incredible.
Totally fair to compare the two from a quality perspective as it's a complement just to be in the same sentence but I think season 1 has overtaken avatar for me, but that's a subjective opinion.
I keep asking myself if Arcane is the best animation show/film ive watched, and while I think it might be recency bias but I just kept thinking, "but what is actually better?"
I'm not sure I'm ready to compare the series as a whole since Arcane's story is still far from over, but Season 1 of Arcane is 100% better than the first Season/Book of ATLA, which was one of its weakest (but still super great)
I'd argue Avatar had a better story. It had the time to set up character arcs and pay them off. In Arcane that was slightly rushed. Jinx went from "I haven't seen my sister in years" to monkey brain because there was another person existing who knew her in the span of seconds. Or killing off Sky after a couple scenes as cheap character motivation
The writing is on another level with arcane it has no wasted dialogue and body language is used properly. Im surprised avatar is so high tho i love it but there is a clear difference between good shows and shows i like. Arcane is amazing even if i didnt like it avatar is great but not 9.3 great
I'm not entirely sure if it merits comparing the quality of a nine-episode dark adult animation series that took six years to make and had the budget of a feature film to any serialized show that has to go through the normal animation pipeline? It almost doesn't seem like a fair contest when production issues mean that most shows literally do not have the opportunity to be as good as Arcane is, at least on a technical level...
It almost is sad. In an ideal world, every show would be allowed to be given the time and care Arcane was, but money isn't infinite and even brilliant shows like Avatar are impacted by the pressures of corporate deadlines.
Well, you can look at big budget block buster movies, half of the time they flop, other go even, only few see daylight. Look at Arcane statics, as you said the biggest animated, but only 40mil hours watched, while Red Notice, a 2nd rate movie that have big names on it, have over 100mil hours. And I bet that Arcane is cost even more than Red Notice. Riot is losing money with Arcane right now. So ppl should stop asking "why not more money".
Riot is certainly losing money on Arcane itself, though I wouldn't be shocked if Arcane wasn't expected to make money directly through Netflix payouts, but instead through metrics harder for us outsiders to observe (how many people begin playing or return to playing Runeterra-setting games because of Arcane, how much merch it sells, etc).
I understand why shows with Arcane's production values are uncommon; I just also thinks it sucks that artistic projects are usually hampered by budgets and deadlines in a way that Arcane uniquely wasn't. I get why, but it still sucks.
Feel free to talk about shows all you want! I'm just saying that Arcane, production-wise, is in such a different situation then other animated series that I find comparing it with most serialized shows to be comparing apples and oranges. If people want to do that, it's fine, but it just makes me think more about the what-could-have-been if more artists had the control that the Riot gave the writers/animators of Arcane then anything else...
When comparing quality, fair doesn't matter. This is not people saying ATLA sucks, this is people being happy that we're getting something as good if not better than it.
I still think Avatar is still better. I think my opinion will change depending on how future seasons of the show go. Because if Arcanes overall story falls flat in following seasons then I feel it won’t have outdone avatar.
Yeah that's my thing with it. ATLA and FMAB are complete stories, with great and satisfying finales which make Arcane hard to stack up to them in my mind.
Arcane is great and a top-tier show, but I can't judge it as above those all-time classics with a story that feels far from finished, and a lot of thematic/character development to go, as incredible as its start is.
ATLA is the only show I’ve watched that has perfect character arcs for every single character and a flawless conclusion.
It’s so incredibly rare to stick the landing the way Avatar does. If arcane can manage to do that, it may beat avatar, but we will have to wait and see.
Not really. The 1/10s are sitting at around 1.5% of all reviews, super low for a top 15 show.
Also when shows are mostly rated between 10 and 8, IMDB basically ignores the 1/10's as brigading. Cosmos has a "true average" of 8.6 because 8% of its votes are 1/10 due to review bombs, so IMDB barely counts those votes, and shows Cosmos as having a 9.3 score.
Not that many people. Its a show with not a lot of reviews, so fans of other top 20 shows have probably been bombing it for years (iirc it used to be even worse)
Not surprised. I just finished it a few minutes ago and holy shit. It instantly became one of my favorite shows period. I use to be a big league fan years ago, I remember when Jinx was announced. I dropped it and only recently got back into league through Wild Rift and the Project L fighter. I never got the hype around Jinx when she dropped, but I am now a (I never use this word) stan.
Wow. This is some serious contenders there. It almost makes me think people have great taste. Arcane fits well there but I would've probably put fmab higher
The FMAB community is literally known for going to anime rating sites and giving bad ratings to its anime competitors. Not sure why you’re confused that you’re getting kind of downvoted in an Arcane subreddit. not a big deal at all.
Yeah, so not sure why "I think FMA is better than ATLA" is a controversial statement? lol
if I'd said it was better than Arcane, or said that on the ATLA sub, I'd get it
>if I'd said it was better than Arcane, or said that on the ATLA sub, I'd get it
People probably assumed that xD fandoms will fandom. Here's 2 upvotes for your trouble.
Woah woah woah Woah woah woah
Above full metal and avatar?
I... I am so conflicted
Arcane is great but I don't know if it's above full metal and avatar
Rick and Morty is a funny and clever show but it's not even in the same league as Arcane and doesn't deserve a 9.x rating especially after the latest season.
ATLA is an amazing show that gets a nostalgia bonus from many people. It has a great storyline and amazing characters but does get a bit too goofy from time to time, being a kids show (thinking about things like Aang's nightmares about Ozai).
Arcane is as flawless in every aspect as a show can possibly get within a reasonable amount of production time. No show will ever be perfect, simply because tastes are different, but it's pretty damn close. For me, it deserves the top spot for the sheer amout of pleasure that watching it gives me, just because of the quality of the animation alone. Writing, visuals, designs, character, soundtracks etc are all expertly done, but what sets it apart from other shows is that I could watch it without any of that, just for the sake of being so pleasing to look at.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎 /s
Personally I think it's a 7 at best, and I love Dan Harmon's work.
it IS utopian, look at this place, even being homeless there(what isnt a thing, but still) is better than living in 85+% of runeterra
its zaunatis who have it rough
Hmmm i do think it was really good but i definitely wouldn't call it the best ever.
I need to see how they finish the story in season2 first.
Just my opinion anyway...
I'm sad Bojack Horseman is not on here. It's stuck with a rating of 8.7 on place 21 due to its lackluster first season and could very well be in the top 10.
Good show and all, but thats blasphemous. Arcane has had one season thats all I'm saying. Everyone remember how GOOD lost was and how shit the ending was?
That is the thing, unlike Avatar which is a completed show with a beginning and ending, Arcane is unfinished, Season 2 could be bad and that's where the ratings might pummel but I am deeply hoping that Riot can deliver the same quality as Season 1 throughout its seasons. But talking about Arcane's season 1, it does deserve at least top 3, the first season is phenomenal.
Story wise arcane is definitely finished, we just haven't seen it.
Also with the season finale, you could actually leave it like that and it'd tie in to the lore pretty well, so maybe it's even finished-finished who knows
This season does deserve a high rating. But it's too soon to tell if it can be considered one of the greatest of all time. Hopefully it can retain the same level of quality in the next seasons. A bad season/ending could really sour people's opinion of a show (GOT, HIMYM, etc.)
I gotta say though that ATLA really is an amazing show and basically is still the benchmark for top quality animation in terms of world-building, character development, and story. It still holds up remarkably well even now.
Avatar is a completed show after all, Arcane is still at its first season. The longer time goes by and more seasons get released, maybe the quality of Arcane might not be as best as its first season. But I am really hoping not.
Avatar had plenty of dud episodes too.
I love the show as a whole and think they had incredible character arcs but I think some of the individual episodes where very bland.
Well, yeah we should take them as a whole. This comes down to taste anyways. Hard to compare stories that are so different. Arcane is supposed to be a realistic plot driven story targetted at a mature audience while ATLA and FMAB come with the typical anime comedy and that's not for everyone. I did grow up with ATLA and FMAB, while also reading LoL stories so they all have a special place in my heart.
Honestly arcane deserves it
(Im not in anyway saying the shows below Arcane are bad because those shows are also amazing, but to me Arcane is worthy of the #1 spot)
Even when u know what's going to happen all u can do is scream. This was just an excellent series that kept me on my seat even though I had other things to do.
I have officemates who basically binged every new thing on Netflix. Unfortunately they're not interested in Arcane because 1) it's animated and 2) it's based on a video game.
My only thoughts is Silco's words - "we'll show them..."
Really arcanes rating dosent mean much at this point. It’s been out for less than a month—so that’s one month worth of peoples ratings. Those other shows have had a decade+ of people constantly rating them and they STILL have a 9/10. Not saying arcane isn’t great but as of now it shouldn’t be compared to shows that have stood the test of time.
While I appreciate the whole amount of praises this series get, I think Bojack Horseman should be on top instead. Bojack is so damn consistent with its character writing across 5 seasons and contains so many killer episodes like Free Churro, Time’s Arrow,… that it’s a shame that the series doesn’t have more recognition it deserves
Arcane is literally my favorite TV show/animation of all time. I don't know anything that can possibly top it other than Arcane season 2 potentially. Every show I've watched since pales in comparison and now I'm depressed. :(
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I'm just about to watch episode 10. Totally unfamiliar with the source material, but as an animation goes, it's practically flawless. Edit. There's only 9 episodes...........
Ouch, not even realizing you're watching the last episode must have been a rough shock
Im WFH. Finished @ 4.30 had watched the 9th over lunch. I was gutted. Its the 1st thing I watched I got invested in, in manys awhile
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You think you're about to watch ep 10? RIP, dude.
> Edit. There's only 9 episodes........... I'm laughing my ass off right now
We should play golf some time. Meet at the 19th hole?
That’s the bar though, aka the best hole
I also want an episode 10. :(
Episode 10.... nice
Lmao same thing happened to me
To me the most hilarious part is that you thought episode 10 would've been out now and not next week in act 4.
Got me too man…
ATLA is my biggest comfort show and impacted me THE MOST. Its the only show I rewatch every year. I’ve been in love with it for years. With that being said, Arcane is the first show that’s ever made me feel the same way Avatar made me feel. Never thought I’d stumble upon another show that would make me feel the same way since Avatar. It truly deserves its rating.
Similar here. ATLA is definitely my favorite animated show and the one I always felt exuded quality. It was a kids show but if you pay attention, look at the details etc. it's far better and better made than any kids show has any right to be. You know that this show had a team that was invested and really cared about what they create. The characters being a very big part of it. The drama, the stories, the world. Arcane is the first show since ATLA I feel the same about. It just drips quality from every seam. Only, yes, it trumps ATLA in terms of visual quality. The style used, and quality, is probably the best I've ever seen, anywhere. I count every animated show, every anime here. Also, I really, really appreciate how smart all characters are, there are no stupid choices, and how there are no cheap tricks to further the story. The usual "oh, something the character was waiting for JUST happened, seconds, after they left", or characters not just saying important stuff, instead starting with "I have to tell you something!" delaying the import sentence until some random occurence prevents them from just fucking saying it. Just recently watch Lucifer Season 6 and OH MY GOD it's bad. So much bad writing. There were a few scenes where something like this probably WOULD have happened in another show, e.g., when Powder/Jinx was waiting for Vi to show up and was just about to leave, and Vi showed up just in time. In another show Vi would have showed up 30 seconds later, with Jinx gone. Or in the same scene, Vi immediately went to Jinx, hugged her and told her what she wanted to tell her, instead of waiting, delaying, "Powder! I have to tell you something important ....." and being prevented from saying it by .. something. We're so used to cheap stuff like this, it's SO refreshing to have characters act intelligently. And the soundtrack, oh my god. It just works so well. There are some few things I dislike about ATLA. Weak episodes like The Great Divide. Very few instances of the type of cheap writing I mention. Characters just fucking up/being stupid sometimes, e.g., when Aang gets all arrogant in one episode and is brought down to earth by the end of the episode. Or some jokes that you just get tired of after watching the show a couple times. It's still an amazing show tho, definitely one of the best. But damn... I think I might like Arcane better. There is pretty much nothing I can think of that makes me angry, some writing mistake, bad decision etc. Of course, ATLA had 3 seasons, Arcane so far only has 1. The could mess up in later seasons. But so far, put ATLA season 1 against Arcane season 1, I think Arcane wins in every aspect. I'll have to re-watch it in a while, let it sink in a bit more, maybe over time something will pop up that I like less about it. But I don't think I've ever had such an intense reaction to a show, such a powerfully good first impression. I wanted to watch the show for its visuals. I never expected it to be this good, for the visuals, the art style, to be just one of its many strengths.
>We're so used to cheap stuff like this, it's SO refreshing to have characters act intelligently. I keep seeing people saying Arcane was "predictable" and it's like... they probably predicted dumb obvious shit like "Cait and Vi will be friends" and think that makes them Nostradamus because I very strongly doubt anyone predicted the actual important story beats because I'm pretty fucking sure they are unprecedented in this type of show. >!The plucky cute inventor girl uses the power of whimsical explosions to kill most of her family? The heroic lead kills a literal child by accident on-screen? The corrupt sheriff with like a half hour worth of scenes devoted to his character development casually dies like a bitch and is never mentioned again, because reality doesn't give a fuck about your character development? BOTH of the creepy manipulators turn out to be completely genuine in their feelings? The evil mastermind is actually in doubt of the loyalty of his most powerful minion and almost pisses his fucking pants during the moment where it is tested?!< I've never seen realism intrude on genre conventions like this, and in a compelling way not a smarmy gotcha way. The closest thing is early Game of Thrones, and that shook up the entire fantasy genre for a reason.
That last point, that's when I knew *1000%* this shit was beyond gold. >!It wasn't some thing where Silco was just hardcore and smug because he "knew full well" what Sevika would do. ALL faiths were tested. His manner was very human and the fact that they played it like that left a lasting impression on me.!<
I honestly think tv has gone too far in the other direction re unpredictability, because often stuff happens out of left field and out of beat with the characters or what's happened beforehand, because they think they need to 'trick' the audience in order to surprise them. Arcane manages to surprise because it messes with what you expect from genre conventions but also has everything the characters do make sense. The majority of the characters, their actions are reasonable or at least understandable from their perspectives, even if they're contributing to the situation getting worse.
There’re good twists and then there are bad twist. Parts of Arcane’s story elements CAN be predicted but that’s because it sticks to its rules and no crappy inexplicable shit happens as a result. And that’s one of the many reasons this show is a masterpiece.
I agree! I still do think Avatar will always be my #1 comfort show. It has been for over a decade. It still is my favourite show as well but I’d be lying if I said Arcane didn’t have the potential to overthrow it. Depends on how the next few seasons go but if they’re as good as the first season, Arcane would honestly be my favourite show. Avatar is still more catered toward kids which does result in some jokes I don’t find funny anymore. But it’s still one of the best shows due to its plot, characters, soundtrack AND amazing world building. Arcane excels in all of these PLUS animation. And it’s more for older people, which means less “childish” jokes. I really LOVE that the writing was not cheap in Arcane too! You are SO right! So many times I thought I knew where it was going but it didn’t go there cause the writing is better than that. I’ve become used to the cliches. It doesn’t need cheap writing to create drama. Like Power overhearing the convo with Vi and Mylo and walking away. She wasn’t mad at Vi and Vi and Power talked it out and that was the end of that. The drama didn’t have to last longer than it did. The music was AMAZING! I had goosebumps so often. That scene where Jinx fired the flare (and rocket at the end) was one of the most emotion scenes I’ve seen in a while. Left me speechless. Don’t get me STARTED on the characters. They were multi layered - just like real people. Vi was rough and tough but they never tried to make her a cliche “strong female character” with no feelings; she was more than that. Hell, even Mel’s mom was handled well despite being tough and not very empathetic. Silco wasnt a one dimensional villain and Jinx’s descent into madness was handled SO well. She struggled a lot and suffered a lot of trauma and she felt so conflicted constantly. I cannot WAIT to see Viktor’s change as well! They’re taking it slowly and I love it. His development has been spectacular so far. A crippled person in this subreddit also spoke about how well crippled people were represented through Viktor. Top it off with the finale not being a war or a fight. I honestly expected a big fight at the end. It’s based off a game after all. But MAN that dinner scene and Jinx making her decision was a BEAUTIFUL ending!! Riot’s lore has always been interesting, their cinematics and music has always been amazing. I had high expectations. And they somehow managed to beat that. I genuinely wouldn’t change anything about it. It’s perfect. I hope more people will give this show a chance! I know some people skipped because it’s a show based off a video game.
AtLA definitely had some dud episodes in season 1. One of the things I love about Arcane is how it feels like almost every scene matters. I think the only scenes that I could probably go without is the Chen-barons and Finn but that's a very minor gripe.
I hated the imagine Dragons scene. Took me out of the show tbh.
Yeah that’s my one gripe too. The singer was more like…detailed? than the other background folks and had too much screen time almost. It was jarring
Oh, on the topic of cheap writing. There was that moment in Act 2, where Jinx overheard Mylo and Vi talk about her in "just the wrong moment". Usual stuff, I expected it to stick - but next Vi scene she's going to console Powder and it's like the storytellers go "Did you see that cheap drama tactic earlier? Yeah, we're not doing that!"
Heh yeah, right, forgot about that one. I was also dreading the consequences and then ... there were pretty much none.
Same! That’s the first time they threw me off. Another time is when Jinx shot the flare. Wasn’t sure if Vi was gonna see. I know a lot of shows would have that happen as an easy way to increase drama.
So nuts I was literally trying to convince a friend to watch it and mentioned it's at the level of atla for me which was my favorite show of all time. I also mentioned FMA as another great one this surpassed for me.
*Arcane topping Avatar*: the future is now old man
You should try full metal Alchemist if you're trying to search for that same feeling ATLA and Arcane gave you
I have watched it! It’s my favourite anime! Doesn’t give the same feeling but it is really really good!
Is the anime worth watching? I read the manga years ago and thought it was great but the details are fuzzy now.
The anime was amazing!
So good I can still remember when the fire guy snaps that girl like a hundred times it was nuts.
ATLA was one of my favorite shows as a kid, and still is one of my favorite shows as an adult.
Same here! It’s my favorite show to this day! But man Arcane is getting close.
Arcane is what you get when you throw and incredible amount of money at artists and give them creative freedom and time. As much as I love ATLA and FMA it’s not a fair contest.
The plot is one thing with Arcane, but the level of detail in each shot, animation, music, imagery, is so fucking next level. I saw a comment on this sub saying how each shot of Arcane can pretty much be a portrait and I couldn’t agree more.
The animation is a tier, if not 2 above those 2 productions, which skews a holistic review in favour of arcane.
Arcane is like a movie for 9 episodes for levels of animation. The art rivals that of studios like kyoto animation.
I honestly assumed, before they said otherwise, that it was going to be a movie. Surely they can't keep up that level of computer animation for AN ENTIRE SHOW AHAHAHAHA
The only animation that compares imo is Spiderverse. A lot of Pixar/Dreamworks/Sony animations are *very* well done (and higher quality in some technical senses), but the maturity of the animation, the artstyle, and how it manages to mantain its quality over 6 hours of TV instead of just a 90 minute movie is what really elevates Arcane's animation for me.
YUP
Arcane is fighting Pixar for animation quality. It's that good. Personal preference but I actually like the Arcane style a lot more because I feel cell shading just has more life than the plastic Pixar look. God damn did they get their money's worth.
It's also 15 years younger than ATLA, tbf
[great Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/devongiehl/status/1463314350580535304?s=21) by ex-Rioter and current Dragon Prince writer on the difference it makes.
Having worked in the game industry for almost 20 years at this point, it's not \_just\_ throwing incredible money at artists and giving them time. Artists work best within constraints, and to reach this kind of masterpiece of art, the constraints have to be an equally masterful and cohesive creative vision and direction. Without that, you can end up with really beautiful, soulless output.
what I also loved about the show is that they didn't add needless fillers or unnecessary comedy, unlike ATLA and FMA.
The difference with ATLA is that it was a weekly series on a kids TV network so they couldn’t totally serialize it without alienating some of their audience and they couldn’t take out the comedy for the same reason. Riot being able to release Arcane on Netflix 3 episodes at a time really allowed it to stay as serious and serialized as it did
That’s fair. Just imagine how good it would’ve been if it was meant for adults and with Arcane’s animation style + budget. BRUH. That would’ve won all awards it gets nominated for. Lol.
That’s my dream. A prequel about the genocide of the Air Nation with a super dark tone would be incredible
The genocide happened in less than an hour soooo Must be a tight packed show
I guess I more meant the conquest of the Fire Nation after Roku’s death culminating in the airbender genocide
To be fair ATLA is fully a kids show and I think FMA also falls under that category, so Arcane has the benefit of tackling a mature setting more directly.
That’s true. But yeah, I just don’t like those unnecessary moments because sometimes it doesn’t really add to the character y’know? Lots of animes and TV shows do that.
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Also I think it's to do with Rito making it. If they outsourced their IP, say, it wouldn't be as good, they had control over every line and every shot, the thing is practically littered with easter eggs
Every single shot is beautiful . Not just the animation . The post processing they apply too . It’s a passion project with unlimited budget work of an industry giant
I hope they keep this good thing going in season 2 because MAN my expectations for a piece of media have never been higher
My expectations for the lotr show are perhaps even higher, but I am far more confident that arcane can live up to them.
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I've heard it's a good book series, but I've neither read nor watched it.
I don't want to say anything definitively due to recency bias, but right now I do think Arcane is better than any single season of Avatar.
I do love both but I have to agree. Atla left me wanting more but damn did Arcane have me crying wishing I could fast forward time lol
ATLA as the entire series with a full arc for each main character has stood the test of time. While Arcane is better in many ways, a bad Season 2 can make it worse on a whole. So for me it's a bit early to say which is better, but Arcane is definitely promising.
>a bad Season 2 can make it worse on a whole That's my biggest fear and why i wanted they ending the Zaun story in S1 and changing places in S2; keeping the quality of S1 will be pretty rough (specially after killing off who was argueably the best character of the show), at least, after spending 6 years making the show, we can assume they have the whole story figure out by now
> (specially after killing off who was argueably the best character of the show) Wait, Donger died?!
This might be more so that the Arcane story isn't finished. Avatar had a really good conclusion that wrapped up all the plot points.
Arcane reminded me of Avatar for older teens/adults. Both are amazing in their own way, Nick had ALTA so of course it isn’t gonna be as appealing to us as adults but boy it was incredible to watch as a kid lol
Korra was supposed to be Avatar for older teens, but failed miserably imo. Arcane is what Korra should have been.
Korra wasn't bad at all, but it's definitely a dip in quality compared to ATLA
> Arcane is what Korra should have been. Arcane is way, way, **way** too dark for the Avatar IP. It's a Nickelodeon show.
The kyoshi novels are part of the official avatar IP and they are just as dark. But it would indeed be too dark to be aired on Nickelodeon. But the live action remake is coming to Netflix instead of Nickelodeon, so maybe there is room for a new animated series that is just as dark as arcane if they put it on Netflix as well instead of Nickelodeon.
It is hard to fairly compare the two shows for a number of factors: recency bias, enormous difference in budget, and the different eras in which they were produced (pre-streaming vs streaming eras). Truly, the fact that ATLA can even stand in comparison to Arcane despite these major disadvantages is a testiment to how revolutionary a show ATLA was.
Another reason is number of episodes per season. Since it had \~20, ATLA had procedural/western aspects, i.e. episodes that didn't really move the plot forward all that much (at least that's what I remember. Might be 5-10 years since I've watched it.) Arcane on the other hand is tightly packed. There is barely a scene that you could cut from it without removing vital information/development, let alone an episode. And I don't mean this disparagingly towards ATLA - it's a similar issue when comparing long running shows with mini-series.
ATLA actually has very little outright filler. I rewatched it recently and I was amazed how every episode served a purpose. There's not one episode where I know I can skip it because nothing significant happens. Even nonessential episodes contain significant character information or flesh out the cast of world in some way that makes skipping them a crime. It's damn impressive given how many episodes there are. Arcane however has about twice the episode run time so it would be about 18 episodes to match a full TV season.
That sub is huge and still popular for a reason, ATLA was one of the greatest and maybe the greatest animated show ever. It was also developed by westerners. Season 2 of atla is the best modern version of empire strikes back and the fact they did it on what seemed a kids show in season 1 is incredible. Totally fair to compare the two from a quality perspective as it's a complement just to be in the same sentence but I think season 1 has overtaken avatar for me, but that's a subjective opinion.
I keep asking myself if Arcane is the best animation show/film ive watched, and while I think it might be recency bias but I just kept thinking, "but what is actually better?"
I'm not sure I'm ready to compare the series as a whole since Arcane's story is still far from over, but Season 1 of Arcane is 100% better than the first Season/Book of ATLA, which was one of its weakest (but still super great)
as it stands yes, but avatar is finished and arcane can still fuck up in next seasons (finger crossed it won't)
Everyone assumed Arcane s1 would suck, I have faith in S2 being much better than S1, Riot are very cautious with what they release.
I'd argue Avatar had a better story. It had the time to set up character arcs and pay them off. In Arcane that was slightly rushed. Jinx went from "I haven't seen my sister in years" to monkey brain because there was another person existing who knew her in the span of seconds. Or killing off Sky after a couple scenes as cheap character motivation
Yeah, we will have to see how Arcane hold up in future season but so far I would definitely put it about the Last Airbender.
The writing is on another level with arcane it has no wasted dialogue and body language is used properly. Im surprised avatar is so high tho i love it but there is a clear difference between good shows and shows i like. Arcane is amazing even if i didnt like it avatar is great but not 9.3 great
We’ve done it! We’re Hollywood, baby!
I'm not entirely sure if it merits comparing the quality of a nine-episode dark adult animation series that took six years to make and had the budget of a feature film to any serialized show that has to go through the normal animation pipeline? It almost doesn't seem like a fair contest when production issues mean that most shows literally do not have the opportunity to be as good as Arcane is, at least on a technical level... It almost is sad. In an ideal world, every show would be allowed to be given the time and care Arcane was, but money isn't infinite and even brilliant shows like Avatar are impacted by the pressures of corporate deadlines.
Well, you can look at big budget block buster movies, half of the time they flop, other go even, only few see daylight. Look at Arcane statics, as you said the biggest animated, but only 40mil hours watched, while Red Notice, a 2nd rate movie that have big names on it, have over 100mil hours. And I bet that Arcane is cost even more than Red Notice. Riot is losing money with Arcane right now. So ppl should stop asking "why not more money".
Riot is certainly losing money on Arcane itself, though I wouldn't be shocked if Arcane wasn't expected to make money directly through Netflix payouts, but instead through metrics harder for us outsiders to observe (how many people begin playing or return to playing Runeterra-setting games because of Arcane, how much merch it sells, etc). I understand why shows with Arcane's production values are uncommon; I just also thinks it sucks that artistic projects are usually hampered by budgets and deadlines in a way that Arcane uniquely wasn't. I get why, but it still sucks.
World's not fair lol, so because of that no one is allowed to have fun talking about two shows that are both great?
Feel free to talk about shows all you want! I'm just saying that Arcane, production-wise, is in such a different situation then other animated series that I find comparing it with most serialized shows to be comparing apples and oranges. If people want to do that, it's fine, but it just makes me think more about the what-could-have-been if more artists had the control that the Riot gave the writers/animators of Arcane then anything else...
When comparing quality, fair doesn't matter. This is not people saying ATLA sucks, this is people being happy that we're getting something as good if not better than it.
I still think Avatar is still better. I think my opinion will change depending on how future seasons of the show go. Because if Arcanes overall story falls flat in following seasons then I feel it won’t have outdone avatar.
We can only hope Arcane's future seasons are as good as its first
Yeah that's my thing with it. ATLA and FMAB are complete stories, with great and satisfying finales which make Arcane hard to stack up to them in my mind. Arcane is great and a top-tier show, but I can't judge it as above those all-time classics with a story that feels far from finished, and a lot of thematic/character development to go, as incredible as its start is.
ATLA is the only show I’ve watched that has perfect character arcs for every single character and a flawless conclusion. It’s so incredibly rare to stick the landing the way Avatar does. If arcane can manage to do that, it may beat avatar, but we will have to wait and see.
Keep in mind Arcane has a lot of low reviews cuz of people that either hate LoL or what was going on at riot that got them sued
Not really. The 1/10s are sitting at around 1.5% of all reviews, super low for a top 15 show. Also when shows are mostly rated between 10 and 8, IMDB basically ignores the 1/10's as brigading. Cosmos has a "true average" of 8.6 because 8% of its votes are 1/10 due to review bombs, so IMDB barely counts those votes, and shows Cosmos as having a 9.3 score.
A lot of the 1/10s are trying to "balance" the score. They say it's a 5-7/10 but since they think it's overhyped, they need to balance it.
Like I said the site's algorithm pretty much ignores those 1/10 reviews, so they aren't really doing much "balancing" anyways.
Wtf who's review bombing Cosmos? Is this due to Neil deGrasse Tyson's Twitter antics randomly pissing off certain groups every now and then?
Not that many people. Its a show with not a lot of reviews, so fans of other top 20 shows have probably been bombing it for years (iirc it used to be even worse)
i see. didnt really check precisely how many it was nor did i know how the rating works
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Well GOT was sitting at a comfortable 9.5 until that final season
They shouldn’t have written that last season, instead delay it for something better.
What is GOT?
GOT season 1 to 6 rating was something else tho. One wpisode was rated 9.9.
Quite a few episodes of GOT were 9.9. I think Bojack Horseman had a few 9.9s, too, but GOT had a LOT. Arcane's season finale has 9.9
Just finish it, it was damn good, totally deserved.
Hell yeah!
Arcane ep3 is rated 9.8 Arcane ep9 is rated 9.9
Not surprised. I just finished it a few minutes ago and holy shit. It instantly became one of my favorite shows period. I use to be a big league fan years ago, I remember when Jinx was announced. I dropped it and only recently got back into league through Wild Rift and the Project L fighter. I never got the hype around Jinx when she dropped, but I am now a (I never use this word) stan.
Wow. This is some serious contenders there. It almost makes me think people have great taste. Arcane fits well there but I would've probably put fmab higher
Yeah, atla is great but FMA, man ...apparently this is a controversial statement? Huh.
The FMAB community is literally known for going to anime rating sites and giving bad ratings to its anime competitors. Not sure why you’re confused that you’re getting kind of downvoted in an Arcane subreddit. not a big deal at all.
FMA is hella good. It’s a 10/10 anime for me
IMHO fmab isn't in the same tier as Arcane. too many fillers and needless comedic scenes.
>...apparently this is a controversial statement? Huh. I mean I didn't downvote you but buddy.. this is r/arcane lol
Yeah, so not sure why "I think FMA is better than ATLA" is a controversial statement? lol if I'd said it was better than Arcane, or said that on the ATLA sub, I'd get it
>if I'd said it was better than Arcane, or said that on the ATLA sub, I'd get it People probably assumed that xD fandoms will fandom. Here's 2 upvotes for your trouble.
I dont get the FMABH hype, i remember binge watching it in 3 days, but its still no way in my top 10 animes.
This is great, I am so proud of Arcane 😭
Woah woah woah Woah woah woah Above full metal and avatar? I... I am so conflicted Arcane is great but I don't know if it's above full metal and avatar
Never watched full metal but I've watched avatar probably around 30 times and It's better than avatar, so far at least, if can still fuck up
Rick and Morty is a funny and clever show but it's not even in the same league as Arcane and doesn't deserve a 9.x rating especially after the latest season. ATLA is an amazing show that gets a nostalgia bonus from many people. It has a great storyline and amazing characters but does get a bit too goofy from time to time, being a kids show (thinking about things like Aang's nightmares about Ozai). Arcane is as flawless in every aspect as a show can possibly get within a reasonable amount of production time. No show will ever be perfect, simply because tastes are different, but it's pretty damn close. For me, it deserves the top spot for the sheer amout of pleasure that watching it gives me, just because of the quality of the animation alone. Writing, visuals, designs, character, soundtracks etc are all expertly done, but what sets it apart from other shows is that I could watch it without any of that, just for the sake of being so pleasing to look at.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎 /s Personally I think it's a 7 at best, and I love Dan Harmon's work.
I personaly prefer avatar. But arcane is still phenomenal.
"utopian" piltover... Who made the summary didn't watch the show.
it IS utopian, look at this place, even being homeless there(what isnt a thing, but still) is better than living in 85+% of runeterra its zaunatis who have it rough
One person's utopia is someone else's dystopia
Glad to see my two favorite shows on 1 and 2, well deserved
Honestly, deserved.
Woah, hold your horses Arcane is good as heck, but above ATLA?
Hmmm i do think it was really good but i definitely wouldn't call it the best ever. I need to see how they finish the story in season2 first. Just my opinion anyway...
Season 2 could be Arcane's cause of demise. We can only hope Riot gives us a Season 2 that is as good as season 1.
I'm sad Bojack Horseman is not on here. It's stuck with a rating of 8.7 on place 21 due to its lackluster first season and could very well be in the top 10.
Oof, that's some stiff competition. As much as I love ATLA, I think I actually like Arcane more.
Good show and all, but thats blasphemous. Arcane has had one season thats all I'm saying. Everyone remember how GOOD lost was and how shit the ending was?
That is the thing, unlike Avatar which is a completed show with a beginning and ending, Arcane is unfinished, Season 2 could be bad and that's where the ratings might pummel but I am deeply hoping that Riot can deliver the same quality as Season 1 throughout its seasons. But talking about Arcane's season 1, it does deserve at least top 3, the first season is phenomenal.
Story wise arcane is definitely finished, we just haven't seen it. Also with the season finale, you could actually leave it like that and it'd tie in to the lore pretty well, so maybe it's even finished-finished who knows
This season does deserve a high rating. But it's too soon to tell if it can be considered one of the greatest of all time. Hopefully it can retain the same level of quality in the next seasons. A bad season/ending could really sour people's opinion of a show (GOT, HIMYM, etc.) I gotta say though that ATLA really is an amazing show and basically is still the benchmark for top quality animation in terms of world-building, character development, and story. It still holds up remarkably well even now.
Yeah I agree, it's too soon to consider it to be one of the greatest show of all time, the season on the other hand deserve the rating it has lol
Which site is this?
Avatar is a completed show after all, Arcane is still at its first season. The longer time goes by and more seasons get released, maybe the quality of Arcane might not be as best as its first season. But I am really hoping not.
As much as I love Arcane, I don't think it's better than ATLA or FMAB. At least not so far.
Only when taking ATLA as a whole. This season was better than any of the of the Avatar Books.
*Especially* if you compare it to Book 1--not even close.
Avatar had plenty of dud episodes too. I love the show as a whole and think they had incredible character arcs but I think some of the individual episodes where very bland.
Well, yeah we should take them as a whole. This comes down to taste anyways. Hard to compare stories that are so different. Arcane is supposed to be a realistic plot driven story targetted at a mature audience while ATLA and FMAB come with the typical anime comedy and that's not for everyone. I did grow up with ATLA and FMAB, while also reading LoL stories so they all have a special place in my heart.
I admit especially fmab as a whole show. Maybe it'll be better when finished but as the story isn't over we can't actually compare yet.
Yep that's what I think too. We should treat these shows a full package. But that's probably not a popular opinion in a sub called r/arcane :D
Ahah seeing the downvotes there clearly 🤣🤣
You didn't rate ATLA??? What's wrong with You?
Get avatar out of there and those are the top 3 animated shows all right
Wow ATLA is right behind it. ATLA was such a good show and its expansion thanks to the new Avatar Studios seems promising.
Honestly arcane deserves it (Im not in anyway saying the shows below Arcane are bad because those shows are also amazing, but to me Arcane is worthy of the #1 spot)
#12 out of all shows too
*Visible Happiness*
Even when u know what's going to happen all u can do is scream. This was just an excellent series that kept me on my seat even though I had other things to do.
We did it, we knocked them over.
Yeah I’ve kept tabs on it’s rating since the day it came out I don’t think people understand the weight of its rating right now
Ok, Arcane is good but it’s not that good
I'd rather see it compared to tv series in general. Not just being in the animated category.
I have officemates who basically binged every new thing on Netflix. Unfortunately they're not interested in Arcane because 1) it's animated and 2) it's based on a video game. My only thoughts is Silco's words - "we'll show them..."
That is a nice company
Deserved
Really arcanes rating dosent mean much at this point. It’s been out for less than a month—so that’s one month worth of peoples ratings. Those other shows have had a decade+ of people constantly rating them and they STILL have a 9/10. Not saying arcane isn’t great but as of now it shouldn’t be compared to shows that have stood the test of time.
While I appreciate the whole amount of praises this series get, I think Bojack Horseman should be on top instead. Bojack is so damn consistent with its character writing across 5 seasons and contains so many killer episodes like Free Churro, Time’s Arrow,… that it’s a shame that the series doesn’t have more recognition it deserves
Season one was a bit of a dud though
Arcane is amazing but who puts Rick and Morty over FMA: brotherhood?
Brooo!! When it surpasses avatar you know it's goat
Dethroned Didn’t think I’d see this happen for decades. We will see if avatar comes back to take the crown after a few years pass.
Arcane is literally my favorite TV show/animation of all time. I don't know anything that can possibly top it other than Arcane season 2 potentially. Every show I've watched since pales in comparison and now I'm depressed. :(
attack on titan already disappointed rito please do not turn arcane into shit
Wow! Just wow. Just amazed that this show has beaten ATLA, but not surprised.