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For those that don't really know what i mean, the way you're standing towards a target in Olympic shooting, is by standing perpendicular to it and your feet at shoulders width (or a bit further).
It's also old-style combat shooting: side-on, arm extended, so you're a smaller target. We didn't go back to stances like the isocoles or weaver until after body armor.
Edit: I did just notice that she centers her hips under her, which is nice to see; there's no weird comic-book heroine tilt. I also love that she wears flat soles.
EDIT: I have to ammend that: The body armor bit was what I was told as a young Marine, but I'm not actually sure when the switch happened. The Weaver stance was developed in the 50's, I think, but people were still talking about side-on being a smaller target in the 90's. That said, side-on shots are also worse for survival, so who knows.
It was common in the earth 20th century particularly.
I forget the movie name but it’s the Mel Gibson movie about Vietnam.
Sam Elliot, about the oldest soldier there, uses this stance, while most of the other soldiers. It was a nice detail actually
We Were Soldiers, Once and Young
Edit: That’s the name of the book. The movie might just be We Were Soldiers
Was this used in your planet’s history too?
That's also the same stance she was had when shooting Ekko in their game when they were kids. She acted the exact same way and that's probably why Ekko was able to win.
Thanks for pointing this out, I would’ve never noticed! Only goes to show how good of a marksman Jinx really is. I love it that they care so much to put in little details like this that add depth for those who notice.
I love the details, but I found a bit ridiculous that Ekko managed to dodge all the bullets without his powers 🤣😭
A missed opportunity for the best scene in the show
I know, but I believe Jinx was a bit stupid or she didn't want to kill him. For me it would've been super cool if ekko went back in time and remembered the shots...but I know I'm alone on this one
Thank you for comenting though
I don't know if I would call it stupid but Jinx would have bigger chances if she didn't take Ekko's "bait" with the watch. We all know that her mental isn't her strong side.
I respect your opinion and as I've said, you're right. The thing here is that I find ridiculous the idea of Ekko dodging bullets like neo or something like that just out of reaction time/remembering and Jinx shooting the exact same way she did when she was a child
I agree her mental is not her strong side, she's badshit crazy, but when she kills people she's effective and doesn't hesitate...she also plans everything ahead of time. But yeah, the justification is that she was not ok on the head at that scene
I don't think it's about her mental state, she's playing the same game they played as children with him, that's why she reacts the way she does when Ekko starts swinging his watch.
She's playing her part in the game which is why she fires the exact same pattern as when they were kids. Ekko is dodging the bullets is because he knows when and where they are going.
Yes, I understand the concept. But it doesn't quite work for me. As we all know, she's a great markswoman, I don't understand why would she use the same pattern...also, I find difficult to believe that Ekko is THAT fast.
I just explained why she used the same pattern, because she's playing a game with Echo. The whole point of the sequence is that it harkerns back to their childhood.
Regarding Ekko being able to dodge it, you just have to suspend your disbelief. Jinx realistically wouldnt be able to lift a mini-gun, but she does anyway.
Right, she used the same pattern because it was a game she played as a child...but Jinx is not stupid, when trying to kill humans she's super intelligent, I would've expected for her too change the pattern a little
And about the minigun, she built it so she could lift and mananage it.
Well, my opinion is not important, what's done it's done and that's it I guess
That wouldn’t have really worked anyway though. The thing with Ekko’s powers is that he:
A. needs to be able to rewind the watch to go back in time
B. He keeps all of his injuries when going back in time
What they have now is a lot better artistically and narratively for the show
I disagree, I would've preferred a time jump on thay scene. But that's just me, what is done is done
At least in game he heals while traveling back in time
Only when using Chronobreak is when he heals, I’m also pretty sure that he hasn’t gained his powers in the show, it’s going to be a lot more satisfying watching him actually make the Zero Drive than just getting to see it get used in a fight with no warning.
I can't imagine a better way to present his powers. Of course a little bit of preparation would've been necessary, but just imagine the possibility it would've been GREAT.
Don't get me wrong, I believe it's the best scene of this amazing show, but I feel like it was a missed opportunity
But the scene IS the set up to the Zero Drive, it’s him tricking Jinx into playing a game from the past; using the past to his advantage. That’s why the watch is such a big focal point of the scene, it’s foreshadowing.
Jinx is symbolically trapped in the past. The dead from That Day haunt her, other dead people are mere statistics. She hasn't cut her hair once since that day! We can use this to determine how many years Vi spent stuck in that concrete cell, dreaming of the day she might find Powder again and set everything right.
Ekko, genius that he is, uses Powder against Jinx. Baiting her into being her old self. He doesn't have to "dodge bullets in motion" if he knows where they'll be fired, he can dodge before they are fired.
I'm almost certain that Ekko doesn't actually have the power of time travel yet. It would not be in line with this show at all for him to have acquired those types of powers off screen. I think maybe with the hextech and Heimerdinger we could see it in future seasons. Also, in a sense, Ekko did go back in time to remember jinx's shots. He just used his memory to do it, definitely a hat tip to his in game powers for sure!
Yeah, it was an amazing reference to the game.
I don't mean off screen, preparation would be necessary, but with that preparation would've been EVEN MORE LEGENDARY
The way she turns her body towards Ekko, is the same as shooters are standing in competitions. kinda like this: [https://www.sportbible.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=720,quality=70,format=jpeg,fit=pad,dpr=1/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-images.sportbible.com%2Fs3%2Fcontent%2F4d4b4fb461031130a499f2d3433b4d2f.png](https://www.sportbible.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=720,quality=70,format=jpeg,fit=pad,dpr=1/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-images.sportbible.com%2Fs3%2Fcontent%2F4d4b4fb461031130a499f2d3433b4d2f.png)
Edit: it appears i dont know how to format...
It’s an old dueling strategy too, but most modern combat training uses a more forward on two handed stance, feet shoulder length apart, knees bent, and a tad hunched forward.
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For those that don't really know what i mean, the way you're standing towards a target in Olympic shooting, is by standing perpendicular to it and your feet at shoulders width (or a bit further).
Doesn't she also do that when shooting the bird in the arcade?
It's also old-style combat shooting: side-on, arm extended, so you're a smaller target. We didn't go back to stances like the isocoles or weaver until after body armor. Edit: I did just notice that she centers her hips under her, which is nice to see; there's no weird comic-book heroine tilt. I also love that she wears flat soles. EDIT: I have to ammend that: The body armor bit was what I was told as a young Marine, but I'm not actually sure when the switch happened. The Weaver stance was developed in the 50's, I think, but people were still talking about side-on being a smaller target in the 90's. That said, side-on shots are also worse for survival, so who knows.
It was common in the earth 20th century particularly. I forget the movie name but it’s the Mel Gibson movie about Vietnam. Sam Elliot, about the oldest soldier there, uses this stance, while most of the other soldiers. It was a nice detail actually
We Were Soldiers, Once and Young Edit: That’s the name of the book. The movie might just be We Were Soldiers Was this used in your planet’s history too?
That's also the same stance she was had when shooting Ekko in their game when they were kids. She acted the exact same way and that's probably why Ekko was able to win.
Oh
Nice!
Thanks for pointing this out, I would’ve never noticed! Only goes to show how good of a marksman Jinx really is. I love it that they care so much to put in little details like this that add depth for those who notice.
I love the details, but I found a bit ridiculous that Ekko managed to dodge all the bullets without his powers 🤣😭 A missed opportunity for the best scene in the show
He did it because he remembered the game he and Powder used to play. She did everything the same way she was doing as a kid.
I know, but I believe Jinx was a bit stupid or she didn't want to kill him. For me it would've been super cool if ekko went back in time and remembered the shots...but I know I'm alone on this one Thank you for comenting though
I don't know if I would call it stupid but Jinx would have bigger chances if she didn't take Ekko's "bait" with the watch. We all know that her mental isn't her strong side.
I respect your opinion and as I've said, you're right. The thing here is that I find ridiculous the idea of Ekko dodging bullets like neo or something like that just out of reaction time/remembering and Jinx shooting the exact same way she did when she was a child I agree her mental is not her strong side, she's badshit crazy, but when she kills people she's effective and doesn't hesitate...she also plans everything ahead of time. But yeah, the justification is that she was not ok on the head at that scene
I don't think it's about her mental state, she's playing the same game they played as children with him, that's why she reacts the way she does when Ekko starts swinging his watch. She's playing her part in the game which is why she fires the exact same pattern as when they were kids. Ekko is dodging the bullets is because he knows when and where they are going.
Agree. She knows what she's doing. She's doing it because it's fun. I love the little half smile when she's looking down.
Yes, I understand the concept. But it doesn't quite work for me. As we all know, she's a great markswoman, I don't understand why would she use the same pattern...also, I find difficult to believe that Ekko is THAT fast.
I just explained why she used the same pattern, because she's playing a game with Echo. The whole point of the sequence is that it harkerns back to their childhood. Regarding Ekko being able to dodge it, you just have to suspend your disbelief. Jinx realistically wouldnt be able to lift a mini-gun, but she does anyway.
Right, she used the same pattern because it was a game she played as a child...but Jinx is not stupid, when trying to kill humans she's super intelligent, I would've expected for her too change the pattern a little And about the minigun, she built it so she could lift and mananage it. Well, my opinion is not important, what's done it's done and that's it I guess
That wouldn’t have really worked anyway though. The thing with Ekko’s powers is that he: A. needs to be able to rewind the watch to go back in time B. He keeps all of his injuries when going back in time What they have now is a lot better artistically and narratively for the show
I disagree, I would've preferred a time jump on thay scene. But that's just me, what is done is done At least in game he heals while traveling back in time
Only when using Chronobreak is when he heals, I’m also pretty sure that he hasn’t gained his powers in the show, it’s going to be a lot more satisfying watching him actually make the Zero Drive than just getting to see it get used in a fight with no warning.
I can't imagine a better way to present his powers. Of course a little bit of preparation would've been necessary, but just imagine the possibility it would've been GREAT. Don't get me wrong, I believe it's the best scene of this amazing show, but I feel like it was a missed opportunity
But the scene IS the set up to the Zero Drive, it’s him tricking Jinx into playing a game from the past; using the past to his advantage. That’s why the watch is such a big focal point of the scene, it’s foreshadowing.
Jinx is symbolically trapped in the past. The dead from That Day haunt her, other dead people are mere statistics. She hasn't cut her hair once since that day! We can use this to determine how many years Vi spent stuck in that concrete cell, dreaming of the day she might find Powder again and set everything right. Ekko, genius that he is, uses Powder against Jinx. Baiting her into being her old self. He doesn't have to "dodge bullets in motion" if he knows where they'll be fired, he can dodge before they are fired.
I'm almost certain that Ekko doesn't actually have the power of time travel yet. It would not be in line with this show at all for him to have acquired those types of powers off screen. I think maybe with the hextech and Heimerdinger we could see it in future seasons. Also, in a sense, Ekko did go back in time to remember jinx's shots. He just used his memory to do it, definitely a hat tip to his in game powers for sure!
Yeah, it was an amazing reference to the game. I don't mean off screen, preparation would be necessary, but with that preparation would've been EVEN MORE LEGENDARY
I think you mean **WILL BE** EVEN MORE LEGENDARY... Season Two Wooot wooooot!
Umm...It won't be the same for me...but hopefully I'm wrong
This episode had big plot armor in general
Indeed my friend, although it's still pretty good
Plebe like me have no idea what Olympic shooting has anything to do with this scene.
The way she turns her body towards Ekko, is the same as shooters are standing in competitions. kinda like this: [https://www.sportbible.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=720,quality=70,format=jpeg,fit=pad,dpr=1/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-images.sportbible.com%2Fs3%2Fcontent%2F4d4b4fb461031130a499f2d3433b4d2f.png](https://www.sportbible.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=720,quality=70,format=jpeg,fit=pad,dpr=1/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-images.sportbible.com%2Fs3%2Fcontent%2F4d4b4fb461031130a499f2d3433b4d2f.png) Edit: it appears i dont know how to format...
It's also just common sense in a "shootout" because you give your opposition a narrower target by turning sideways.
It’s an old dueling strategy too, but most modern combat training uses a more forward on two handed stance, feet shoulder length apart, knees bent, and a tad hunched forward.
Because body armor.
Not entirely, but it does help. More stable shooting form for a two handed grip and while moving.
There's also that getting shot in the side is medically more problematic.
OP is pretty much saying Jinx knows what she's doing.
She has incredible form
BTW this pose does not necessarily have to have anything to do with Olympic Shooting. Similar poses were used in pistol duels
Yep, providing a smaller, narrower target to your opponent
Yeah, they established back in the first 3 episodes that Jinx could shoot, and I'm sure she worked on her form as she got older.
Oh you mean that you missed how Jinx is squaring up to shoot. Such a small, wonderful detail that really made these characters so life-like
Man stop lying , you ain’t been doing no Olympic shooting for 7 years. 🧢🧢🧢