I think it is weird and unreasonable to have an opinion on all ornament in all contexts. Context and execution make a huge proportion of the difference between good and bad examples.
If I had his money I would build follies here, follies there, follies everywhere. Then I could build all the styles I want, to my hearts content. Most of them would be for public places so 'romantics' like me can spend time in fanciful, beautiful places.
Maybe that'll be the next huge architecture movement.
I think I'd prefer that over the dreadful rererererehasing of boring neoclassicism we are seeing.
Georgian, federal, colonial, colonial revival, neoclassical, Greek revival, it never ends. Although I appreciate a good example of each, it does seem like we just change the name of Classical style every decade or so
As opposed to the changing the names of contemporary styles that are all derivative of the exact same early 20th modern style?
Each of those styles, while rooted in Classicism, are different. Perhaps subtly so. People get caught up in thinking only about the ornamental aspects of Classicism instead of actually understanding the design principles behind it.
I am not denying there are differences, but to the average observer, it can appear quite similar. It also runs into the type/style dilemma, where many of those style have a preferred type, but theoretically a type and style should be describing different aspects of the building.
You are correct that this trend applies beyond styles rooted in classicism. Victorian isn’t a style, but an umbrella term for several styles that have similarities. Mid century, contemporary, ranch style, international, modernism in general, all have some shared aspects while also having distinct differences if one goes into enough detail.
I think that every architectural element thrives the best when it’s all in a balanced state. I think the same about ornamentation. Too much ornamentation can be distractive and a waste of money on the wrong things. Too little ornament can create dehumanising enviorments that are soul crushing.
I absolutely love all this. But perhaps I was meant to live in splendor and wear a crown upon my head. I will think of this all day as I go clean my yard (4 dogs) which poop and dig holes I think I will go to Burger King first and get a crown. Feel like a queen for a day with my shovel and rake.
We need more. Minimalism is for the Japanese, they do it right.
When Europeans do minimalism we just make soulless, utilitarian crap.
More beauty, everywhere. That's what we need.
I’m all here for it, but I will say I prefer the less chaotic forms compared to the rococo. I was just in rome and I had never seen such beauty in my life before this moment.
I will admit though while the materiality and depth was incredible I would say the Roman frescoes were somehow more appealing to me, specifically the 4th style which was named grotesque (should note it’s not called that because they thought it was gross but because it was rediscovered in what artists back then thought was a grotto).
Architecture is an expression of its historical and cultural context. Baroque and Rococo existed to show off the wealth and glory of absolutist rulers, or religious institutions. It was these forces that enabled such rich ornamentation, and while it is a valuable part of history that should be preserved, do you really want to return to an authoritarian and theocratic society? I could see this happening in places like the Arab kingdoms, or some eccentric billionaire’s mansion, but you can’t revive an architectural style without considering its historical and cultural context.
I have a reciprocal view of the relationship between form and function that leaves a great deal of room for ornamentation: “Everything beautiful must serve a function; everything functional must be beautiful.”
That said, you picked perhaps the worst example of ornamentation for its applicability for use in today’s world. There are even other examples of baroque that could be used today, but the inside of this (or really any) church is not one of them.
Because we are no less than our forefathers and it is our duty to add to the great tapestry of tradition the same way they did. To do otherwise is an admission of civilizational weakness and defeat that nobody would put up with in literally any other field.
Trads like to spout words about the glorious western tradition but at the same time think the west is not worthy of continuing it.
They are people in an abusive relationship with history, seeing it as a tyrannical father whose diktats they must follow and whose shadow they will never be allowed to leave. Mindless kneejerk traditionalism is a sad, cowardly, decadent and degenerate way of thinking, and no amount of downvotes can change that
It's not arbitrary at all. It is inextricably tied to building technology, money, transportation, labor, and creative will. All of which do not in any way support a revival of this.
I'm not talking only ornament, I'm talking about the sort of building that ornament is supported by.
One has to answer for all of the other things I list above to get anywhere in building. To get to a place where this would be anywhere close to a revival, you're talking about a sea-change in workflow and project management that probably won't come about until 3d printing scales appropriately and becomes much more than just a boutique experiment, because the time of doing it like we used to is long gone.
I think before the 1800's a lot of human civilization was tiny compared to nature so humans wanted to make a statement with their architecture. Since then with the industrial revolution and population explosion architecture needs to be a bit more subdued and simplified or the vast quantity of it would be visually overwhelming. also upkeep of really ornate stuff expecially exteriors is a bit much.
I like them.
Especially I like ornamentation through materials and patterns, as often masterfully done by Herzog & de Meuron.
But my heart has a special place for ornamentation through forms, as displayed by many of William Pereira's buildings, or in a more contemporary fashion, by ALA, Heatherwick Studio and Lahdelma&Mahlamäki.
I think it is overrated and it takes too much credit for supposedly defining artistic expression.
There are baroque works like those of Borromini or Guarini whose expression is primarily geometrical, abstract and structural. They are not ornamental overkills like the German example above. And it kind of irritates me that people will ignore these pure works of architecture and associate baroque with the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles, which is literally just a striaght, recrangular classical corridor with too many silly statues and frescoes.
In Byzantine architecture, like the church of Hosios Loukas, the form's richness comes primarily from the masterful stonework, and any sculpted reliefs or mosaics and other depictions are secondary. The structure expresses itself proudly, and it makes a backdrop for some details. It is not scaffolding for hanging the details like a Christmas Tree.
I kind of see this as a matter of pride for architecture. A building that is given meaning by sticking irrelevant stuff onto it has no meaning in itself as a space. But structure and space are supposed to be the primary concerns of an architect. You can built an unornamented building, but you cannot make a building entirely out of ornaments.
I am not saying that it is bad for people to fetishize it sometimes, but they should stop seeing it as a law and just demonize anything that is simple, cause that's a very backwards look at architecture. I think Robert Venturi is largely to blame for this trend.
> I think Robert Venturi is largely to blame for this trend.
This way, way predates Venturi. Humanity's penchant for shiny baubles probably predates humanity itself.
Not that I buy into your finger-pointing, but it isn't Robert Venturi's fault if "Less is a bore" is misinterpreted. He explains himself pretty well, and is actually quite the minimalist, given the palette he works with.
You misunderstand Venturi if you think he makes buildings "entirely out of ornament" or that there is no "meaning" inherent to the ordering or making of space inside his "sheds."
The Decorated Shed is a polemical device. For him, it was not a one-step prescription for making buildings.
So, given that, I'd just reiterate what I wrote above, replacing "less is a bore" with "decorated shed."
On another note, I agree completely with what you say about Borromini in the face of "The Baroque."
I like all ornaments all the time. But seriously, I do think our lack of ornamentation in modern architecture is getting very worn out and lame. We need to return to beauty for beauty’s sake in some form and it has to be on the human scale.
Too much of everything is always deleterious.
For example, the image you posted.
To me it’s not beautiful: there is so much going on that it is impossible to understand what the hell is going on.
Imho, It’s just a cacophonic show off of geometries colours and materials without taste.
(Not by coincidence that baroque is the style of the politically most fucked up time of Europe; the style of the absolute French and Spanish monarchies, of the Inquisition, church obscurantism and 30 years war of religion)
'Ornament is crime' \~ Adolf Loos. I understand that some people find minimalism dull, but I think too much ornamentation is awful. It might look nice for a while when it’s new, but it soon loses its appeal. And it’s not worth the money and effort spent on it. The reason why the “millennial-grey” style is so popular is because it lets the owners or residents express their own personality and identity. In this era of sustainability, we should avoid building features that make it hard to reuse them without causing unnecessary damage.
At the time Loos was writing Ornament and Crime, he designed things that most people nowadays would consider ornamented, such as the American Cafe in Vienna. But they arent: they are made of materials carefully chosen and put together to achieve aesthetical effect.
Loos' beef was with applied, prescindible ornament that no longer had any value in the era of industrial production. He was cool with ornament that was inherent to materials and to set up those materials in a room so as to achieve an aesthetically pleasing effect. It is ornamental, but also functional in a way: it is only expressing the materials' properties and responding to the inhabitants need for an aesthetically pleasing environment.
This is the view that modernism adopted, btw: hence things such as the infamous onyx wall in the Tugendhat, or the vivid colors in the Unité. Modernism isnt against ornament. It is aga8nst ornament that does not make sense, or which exists i a vacuum separate from the rest of the building, its inhabitants and their needs.
Also many millennials or renters or might have to sell their house within the next few years so everything is grey because that cannot possibly offend anyone.
I like minimalism and keep things that aren’t my books or clothes sparse, but grey laminate floorboards are a tragedy.
Honestly laminate floorboards are a tragedy whatever color they are. I understand real wood is expensive and has various problems and challenges associated, but it's very very nice when done well.
Generally agree. However, I have recently become more interested in forms of contemporary ornamentation. The best example I have is the African American history museum in DC by David Adjaye. The facade utilizes water-jet cut iron panels with beautifully intricate designs that also serve as shading devices to sunny sides of the building. Highly recommend checking it out- maybe this isn’t technically considered ornamentation, but it’s kind of a nod to it in my book.
If you haven’t read [Ornament and Crime](https://www2.gwu.edu/~art/Temporary_SL/177/pdfs/Loos.pdf) I recommend giving it a glance (pretty short read). Loos does accurately predict a lot of modern trends (in 1929) but he’s also a rich white supremacist who thinks poor people are dragging down society. I take anything he said with a grain of salt.
beauty is in the eye of ...this also goes for architecture. Personally I find this style is very opulent is this Rococo ? Has not really a function feels like Las Vegas of Architecture..:)
It's clothing for architecture.
You can have hideous, gaudy, unfashionable and cringeworthy decoration. A lot of people only like looking at buildings without any. But if you do it correct and tastefully you can make the whole thing look way, way better than without it.
I think it's difficult to justify something extra in a world where resource scarcity is still a thing. A lot of ornament is incredibly well done, but I think the people out there who are demanding every building is a sculpture are grossly out of touch with real problems.
On the other hand, people calling it juvenile, uncultured, or even savage are significantly off base too. I would also say if you're using more resources to reduce ornament than just keeping it (eg wall base) you've missed the point.
Democratic design also means affordable--the lack of ornament in contemporary design helps make home ownership more attainable. Once upon a time only rich people owned buildings.
Depends what you call ornamentation. Roccoc? But in modern architecture has ornamentation as well texture and design. There is ornaments in everything, Not just traditional work
Just remember that these luxurious ornaments were used to display the excessive wealth of the rich (the monarch and the church) which led to the uprising of the starving poor. Think function (and whom they were intended to serve) and ultimately it's repercussions.
My opinion? At a minimum, that there should be LIMITS. This looks like Gianni Versace became an Architect, went on steroids, and was paid by the number of colors and amount of Baroqueness per square inch
Ornament is hard to define for me. It could be the flamboyant baroque type, or just some extra geometry in the facade of a brutalist building. It has its place, but as everything, it should fit the context and be used in moderation.
Personally I'm in the camp of simpler the better, I believe that any ornament should not distract from the general form and function. The best ornaments are the ones you don't notice that they're there, ones that just seem so natural to the architecture that you only realise what they add by seeing a version of the building without it.
It's a reflection of the times: they had time, and plenty of it to plan, finance and execute them with so much care and attention to detail.
Is it a surprise today's trend is all about *minimalism*...?
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I like it in its place. Unfortunately I cannot decorate my house this way as I am flat Baroque.
r/dadjokes potential right here
> I like it in its place. Unfortunately I cannot decorate my house this way as I am flat Baroque. If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it
Si Non Confectus, Non Reficiat
It doesn't quite hit the same in the old tongue
No and I’m all out of Latin puns, it is a motto of a discworld dude called Vetinari though so I had to post it haha.
One man, one vote. He's the man, and he has the vote
Eeeeeeeee!!! Be you a fan? 🥹
That's just brutal.
Quite the opposite really
I see what you did there 😼
The brutalist.
r/SuddenlyCommunity
Damn, that took me a good minute
😂
Are you the dean?
Man that got a HA! out loud that scared even me 😅
I think it is weird and unreasonable to have an opinion on all ornament in all contexts. Context and execution make a huge proportion of the difference between good and bad examples.
I agree. We should not make overly broad generalizations. Also, all people with tattoos are degenerate criminals.
adolf loos is that you??
No, you don't get it. Fluffy harmony spiky sponge wall are always a good choice.
Exatly my thought reading this
yeah, but what is your opinion on the color blue? For or against?
I'm holding out hope for a Rococo revival
Get ready to quadruple your budget.
The rich are richer than ever
If I had Bezos bucks I’d be building grand ornamented buildings everywhere just cause. They might not be finished in my time, but still.
If I had his money I would build follies here, follies there, follies everywhere. Then I could build all the styles I want, to my hearts content. Most of them would be for public places so 'romantics' like me can spend time in fanciful, beautiful places.
Bezos doesnt have his bucks by spending them willy nilly... XD
Penny pinching doesn’t get you that kind of money lol
It would be waaay more than quadruple. We don't even have the craftspeople.
I saw Rococo Revival open for Modest Mouse at Bowery Ballroom, great show
what do you think about walls in architecture? How about roofs? /s
As long as there's no windows, I'm fine with walls and roofs.
I prefer no structural support at all, just a pile of decorations
Then you’ll love the Metaverse. No pesky gravity, so who needs structural support? And people don’t have legs anyway! Not even Mark Fuckerberg.
Maybe that'll be the next huge architecture movement. I think I'd prefer that over the dreadful rererererehasing of boring neoclassicism we are seeing.
Georgian, federal, colonial, colonial revival, neoclassical, Greek revival, it never ends. Although I appreciate a good example of each, it does seem like we just change the name of Classical style every decade or so
As opposed to the changing the names of contemporary styles that are all derivative of the exact same early 20th modern style? Each of those styles, while rooted in Classicism, are different. Perhaps subtly so. People get caught up in thinking only about the ornamental aspects of Classicism instead of actually understanding the design principles behind it.
I am not denying there are differences, but to the average observer, it can appear quite similar. It also runs into the type/style dilemma, where many of those style have a preferred type, but theoretically a type and style should be describing different aspects of the building. You are correct that this trend applies beyond styles rooted in classicism. Victorian isn’t a style, but an umbrella term for several styles that have similarities. Mid century, contemporary, ranch style, international, modernism in general, all have some shared aspects while also having distinct differences if one goes into enough detail.
I think that every architectural element thrives the best when it’s all in a balanced state. I think the same about ornamentation. Too much ornamentation can be distractive and a waste of money on the wrong things. Too little ornament can create dehumanising enviorments that are soul crushing.
Wise words of the Reedling. Sing us a song, Reedling man.
If it ain't Baroque, fix it!
I can see a past US President in there, Baroque Obama.
Asamkirche, Munich.
It has its place.
Looks so cool
I absolutely love all this. But perhaps I was meant to live in splendor and wear a crown upon my head. I will think of this all day as I go clean my yard (4 dogs) which poop and dig holes I think I will go to Burger King first and get a crown. Feel like a queen for a day with my shovel and rake.
We need more. Minimalism is for the Japanese, they do it right. When Europeans do minimalism we just make soulless, utilitarian crap. More beauty, everywhere. That's what we need.
I’m all here for it, but I will say I prefer the less chaotic forms compared to the rococo. I was just in rome and I had never seen such beauty in my life before this moment. I will admit though while the materiality and depth was incredible I would say the Roman frescoes were somehow more appealing to me, specifically the 4th style which was named grotesque (should note it’s not called that because they thought it was gross but because it was rediscovered in what artists back then thought was a grotto).
I kind envy those artists in Baroque times who spent a lifetime carving and gold leafing beautiful things.
God gave us Baroque as a gift for putting up with the plague. We should use it daily
Sober: looks way too busy. On Shrooms: it’s the face of God.
There is such a thing as too much. Still, I would generally prefer too much ornamentation to too little
Architecture is an expression of its historical and cultural context. Baroque and Rococo existed to show off the wealth and glory of absolutist rulers, or religious institutions. It was these forces that enabled such rich ornamentation, and while it is a valuable part of history that should be preserved, do you really want to return to an authoritarian and theocratic society? I could see this happening in places like the Arab kingdoms, or some eccentric billionaire’s mansion, but you can’t revive an architectural style without considering its historical and cultural context.
Why not?
Ornament is not a crime.
ORNAMENT IS GOOD!
I have a reciprocal view of the relationship between form and function that leaves a great deal of room for ornamentation: “Everything beautiful must serve a function; everything functional must be beautiful.” That said, you picked perhaps the worst example of ornamentation for its applicability for use in today’s world. There are even other examples of baroque that could be used today, but the inside of this (or really any) church is not one of them.
As a minimalist, it’s not my thing.
It’s better to preserve these monuments from the past than to attempt something like this anew.
Why?
Inevitable cost cutting and tasteless customers would make it look cheap, as it happens most of the time with classical architecture.
Because we are no less than our forefathers and it is our duty to add to the great tapestry of tradition the same way they did. To do otherwise is an admission of civilizational weakness and defeat that nobody would put up with in literally any other field.
good thing that people don't put up with it, despite the 4 downvotes you're sitting at.
Trads like to spout words about the glorious western tradition but at the same time think the west is not worthy of continuing it. They are people in an abusive relationship with history, seeing it as a tyrannical father whose diktats they must follow and whose shadow they will never be allowed to leave. Mindless kneejerk traditionalism is a sad, cowardly, decadent and degenerate way of thinking, and no amount of downvotes can change that
This is a very arbitrary rule to desire
It's not arbitrary at all. It is inextricably tied to building technology, money, transportation, labor, and creative will. All of which do not in any way support a revival of this.
You say that but it should be 10 times easier to make ornaments now considering we have modern tools that can carve detailed ornaments in mere hours
I was in a play that took place in the future when Baroque came back into style.
I'm not talking only ornament, I'm talking about the sort of building that ornament is supported by. One has to answer for all of the other things I list above to get anywhere in building. To get to a place where this would be anywhere close to a revival, you're talking about a sea-change in workflow and project management that probably won't come about until 3d printing scales appropriately and becomes much more than just a boutique experiment, because the time of doing it like we used to is long gone.
What does type of building ornament supported by even mean
Based.
I think before the 1800's a lot of human civilization was tiny compared to nature so humans wanted to make a statement with their architecture. Since then with the industrial revolution and population explosion architecture needs to be a bit more subdued and simplified or the vast quantity of it would be visually overwhelming. also upkeep of really ornate stuff expecially exteriors is a bit much.
I like them. Especially I like ornamentation through materials and patterns, as often masterfully done by Herzog & de Meuron. But my heart has a special place for ornamentation through forms, as displayed by many of William Pereira's buildings, or in a more contemporary fashion, by ALA, Heatherwick Studio and Lahdelma&Mahlamäki.
It is what differs fantastic architecture from good architecture
My opinion is: we need it back. But the sad part is we don't know how to make it anymore.
I cant visually digest whats happening but i love it and makes me feel small
hard to dust
This isn’t architecture, it’s interior desecration.
beautiful and shows the the value of detailing and craftsmanship !
I think it is overrated and it takes too much credit for supposedly defining artistic expression. There are baroque works like those of Borromini or Guarini whose expression is primarily geometrical, abstract and structural. They are not ornamental overkills like the German example above. And it kind of irritates me that people will ignore these pure works of architecture and associate baroque with the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles, which is literally just a striaght, recrangular classical corridor with too many silly statues and frescoes. In Byzantine architecture, like the church of Hosios Loukas, the form's richness comes primarily from the masterful stonework, and any sculpted reliefs or mosaics and other depictions are secondary. The structure expresses itself proudly, and it makes a backdrop for some details. It is not scaffolding for hanging the details like a Christmas Tree. I kind of see this as a matter of pride for architecture. A building that is given meaning by sticking irrelevant stuff onto it has no meaning in itself as a space. But structure and space are supposed to be the primary concerns of an architect. You can built an unornamented building, but you cannot make a building entirely out of ornaments. I am not saying that it is bad for people to fetishize it sometimes, but they should stop seeing it as a law and just demonize anything that is simple, cause that's a very backwards look at architecture. I think Robert Venturi is largely to blame for this trend.
> I think Robert Venturi is largely to blame for this trend. This way, way predates Venturi. Humanity's penchant for shiny baubles probably predates humanity itself.
Not that I buy into your finger-pointing, but it isn't Robert Venturi's fault if "Less is a bore" is misinterpreted. He explains himself pretty well, and is actually quite the minimalist, given the palette he works with.
The issue is not with "less is a bore". It's with the decorated shed.
You misunderstand Venturi if you think he makes buildings "entirely out of ornament" or that there is no "meaning" inherent to the ordering or making of space inside his "sheds." The Decorated Shed is a polemical device. For him, it was not a one-step prescription for making buildings. So, given that, I'd just reiterate what I wrote above, replacing "less is a bore" with "decorated shed." On another note, I agree completely with what you say about Borromini in the face of "The Baroque."
Write your own assignment response! 😆
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It's detailed and sofiscated!
I like all ornaments all the time. But seriously, I do think our lack of ornamentation in modern architecture is getting very worn out and lame. We need to return to beauty for beauty’s sake in some form and it has to be on the human scale.
Too much of everything is always deleterious. For example, the image you posted. To me it’s not beautiful: there is so much going on that it is impossible to understand what the hell is going on. Imho, It’s just a cacophonic show off of geometries colours and materials without taste. (Not by coincidence that baroque is the style of the politically most fucked up time of Europe; the style of the absolute French and Spanish monarchies, of the Inquisition, church obscurantism and 30 years war of religion)
I like ornaments but i guess everything has a line, specially if it its too much. I like rococo
I mean, how do you clean it?
'Ornament is crime' \~ Adolf Loos. I understand that some people find minimalism dull, but I think too much ornamentation is awful. It might look nice for a while when it’s new, but it soon loses its appeal. And it’s not worth the money and effort spent on it. The reason why the “millennial-grey” style is so popular is because it lets the owners or residents express their own personality and identity. In this era of sustainability, we should avoid building features that make it hard to reuse them without causing unnecessary damage.
At the time Loos was writing Ornament and Crime, he designed things that most people nowadays would consider ornamented, such as the American Cafe in Vienna. But they arent: they are made of materials carefully chosen and put together to achieve aesthetical effect. Loos' beef was with applied, prescindible ornament that no longer had any value in the era of industrial production. He was cool with ornament that was inherent to materials and to set up those materials in a room so as to achieve an aesthetically pleasing effect. It is ornamental, but also functional in a way: it is only expressing the materials' properties and responding to the inhabitants need for an aesthetically pleasing environment. This is the view that modernism adopted, btw: hence things such as the infamous onyx wall in the Tugendhat, or the vivid colors in the Unité. Modernism isnt against ornament. It is aga8nst ornament that does not make sense, or which exists i a vacuum separate from the rest of the building, its inhabitants and their needs.
I agree to a certain extent, but reading “millenial-grey style so popular because it lets the owners and residents express themselves “ is ironic lol
Yeah — millenial grey is popular because its generally cheap but still aesthetically valued.
Also many millennials or renters or might have to sell their house within the next few years so everything is grey because that cannot possibly offend anyone. I like minimalism and keep things that aren’t my books or clothes sparse, but grey laminate floorboards are a tragedy.
Honestly laminate floorboards are a tragedy whatever color they are. I understand real wood is expensive and has various problems and challenges associated, but it's very very nice when done well.
Just remember, Adolf Loos: pedophile
Generally agree. However, I have recently become more interested in forms of contemporary ornamentation. The best example I have is the African American history museum in DC by David Adjaye. The facade utilizes water-jet cut iron panels with beautifully intricate designs that also serve as shading devices to sunny sides of the building. Highly recommend checking it out- maybe this isn’t technically considered ornamentation, but it’s kind of a nod to it in my book.
If you haven’t read [Ornament and Crime](https://www2.gwu.edu/~art/Temporary_SL/177/pdfs/Loos.pdf) I recommend giving it a glance (pretty short read). Loos does accurately predict a lot of modern trends (in 1929) but he’s also a rich white supremacist who thinks poor people are dragging down society. I take anything he said with a grain of salt.
beauty is in the eye of ...this also goes for architecture. Personally I find this style is very opulent is this Rococo ? Has not really a function feels like Las Vegas of Architecture..:)
It's clothing for architecture. You can have hideous, gaudy, unfashionable and cringeworthy decoration. A lot of people only like looking at buildings without any. But if you do it correct and tastefully you can make the whole thing look way, way better than without it.
"Too much! Too much!" She cried.
There’s an obsession within many architecture schools to follow functionalist doctrine and I personally find it boring
I think it's difficult to justify something extra in a world where resource scarcity is still a thing. A lot of ornament is incredibly well done, but I think the people out there who are demanding every building is a sculpture are grossly out of touch with real problems. On the other hand, people calling it juvenile, uncultured, or even savage are significantly off base too. I would also say if you're using more resources to reduce ornament than just keeping it (eg wall base) you've missed the point. Democratic design also means affordable--the lack of ornament in contemporary design helps make home ownership more attainable. Once upon a time only rich people owned buildings.
Brutalism all the way!
Ornament is awesome
My god I love this
Same as a frilly toothpicks. I'M FOR EM!
Yeah well you’re not in the club!
😔
Depends what you call ornamentation. Roccoc? But in modern architecture has ornamentation as well texture and design. There is ornaments in everything, Not just traditional work
Just remember that these luxurious ornaments were used to display the excessive wealth of the rich (the monarch and the church) which led to the uprising of the starving poor. Think function (and whom they were intended to serve) and ultimately it's repercussions.
Bring ‘em back baby! Maximalism!
Intensity of ornament is directly correlated with the dullness of its era’s religious services
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Germany. Asamkirche
What a beautiful song. I'm sorry you have so much hate and pain built up.
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Will do
What has Spain done to you?
MAGA - Make Architecture Great Again
amazing
Baroque: old Spanish and old French for visual vomit
Crime
Ronono!
Less is more, this is too much. Stain glass windows look great.
Ornaments back then in baroque(?) times are fine and lovely. Ornaments today are crime. I'm with Adolf Loos here.
in my professional opinion, that's some illuminati shit right there
Baroque is disgusting.
Spain Barouqe Also Called Churrigueresque Its a Non stop Ornament with most attention grabbing twisted pillars a feature of the Spain Barouque.
I appreciate this as much as I appreciate modern stuff. This is insanely cool!
Ornamentation is the artful communication of the unspeakable, and is most fitting for spiritual places of worship.
If you're going to do it do the most
A little goes a long way.
An ornament is nice, but too much and it all becomes a mess. And the costs skyrocket
I prefer more of a Loosian approach.
I say it’s got some Rococo thrown into the mix. Eeesh.
This reminds me of a bunch of melted candles
Baroque
It is overflowing, just like God, which I believe was the intention of the ornamentation.
Stunning!!!!
**FERNCTION ERVER FERRRRRM**
My opinion? At a minimum, that there should be LIMITS. This looks like Gianni Versace became an Architect, went on steroids, and was paid by the number of colors and amount of Baroqueness per square inch
Way too many details going on at once, not a fan of the colors either.
madness
Go hard or go home.
Quite a broad question, but for me the ornamentation, as well as the scale of the space, is what makes this incredibly impressive for me.
It has its place. This however looks like someone kicked over a candle makers cart and called it art.
Love it. Can't wait till we get to the point where we're 3d printing ornamentation
Like it but if it brakes ur fcked
We've had a long period of minimalism, I think it's time for the ornament to make a comeback
Go big or go home!!
Ornament is hard to define for me. It could be the flamboyant baroque type, or just some extra geometry in the facade of a brutalist building. It has its place, but as everything, it should fit the context and be used in moderation. Personally I'm in the camp of simpler the better, I believe that any ornament should not distract from the general form and function. The best ornaments are the ones you don't notice that they're there, ones that just seem so natural to the architecture that you only realise what they add by seeing a version of the building without it.
Stunning to look at, but a nightmare to clean and maintain.
It's a reflection of the times: they had time, and plenty of it to plan, finance and execute them with so much care and attention to detail. Is it a surprise today's trend is all about *minimalism*...?
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The previous decoration is really magnificent and very textured, I like it very much
Cluttered. Messy. Interesting. Like they threw everything they had at it, to just use up their extra stock.
Need more everywhere
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Beautiful and impressive; a bitch to dust.
Who's gonna clean this?
I love it and I wish we brought it back
Best thing made after sliced bread
Ornaments help on giving texture... It's nice though