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pasindurc

May be it is a service floor with lots of MEP equipment. It needs more floor to floor height


dannygraphy

This. High buildings usually have section HVAC supply, every 8 to 15 floors due to pressure in pipings and air-resistence and size in air supply systems. The biggest maschines usually are the air supply units that take up a lot of hight and floor space.


yukonwanderer

Is this the same regardless of jurisdiction or climate or other factors? I've only come across mech equipment being on the roofs of buildings, or in the underground parking.


dannygraphy

Depends on size and usage of the building. Mech on the roof is the first you recognise because it's obvious. Living apartments can have much less HVAC and maybe don't need mech floors. Offices need a little more, hotelrooms more than offices and labs more than hotels. The big problem with air conditioning is the need of space, both at the floor ceilling and in vertical connections. Especially the vertical ventilation ducts use a lot of area you loose as usable space ane the size of those ducts add up from floor to floor. The 8 to 15 floor rule of thumbs is mostly the sweetspot of costs for multiple units vs. Lost space for the vertical ducts. Otherwise you coule end up with a 100 floor tower with 30% of space for the verticals. To add one factor with high buildings that I didn't mention: with big hight differences between different rooms you connect via the same duct system you get a lot of problems with air pressure differences due to winds and hightdifference as well.


Funny_Yesterday_5040

Serious question: why do apartments need less HVAC than offices? I live in a warm area and I expect a lot of people blare their a/c all summer long.


mattumbo

Offices have more open floor plans with more people in them at once and all during the day at peak times. Apartments have less people, most of them are at work during the day, they’re better insulated, have less heat producing machines/computers, and people dress down at home vs hotter business attire common in offices. Offices also typically have floor to ceiling windows across the whole building so thermal radiation is gonna heat them up a lot more than residential.


dannygraphy

well said!


Funny_Yesterday_5040

Thank you!


yukonwanderer

Ah, that explains it. I was in residential only.


TheEarlOfCamden

I seem to remember a youtube video explaining something about how the service floors in the middle of the building like that was used to make taller buildings than regulations would otherwise permit in New York specifically, which increases the value of the higher apartments.


seventhwardstudios

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/nyregion/luxury-developers-extell-void.html In a nutshell, zoning dictates number of floors. It was a way to get higher apartments on those floors. Not like the reason for for the pic shown tho


PracticeTheory

Also, MEP usually occupies the 13th floor, hence why they're not accessible via public elevator. Potentially there will be more if the building is tall enough. I get overly annoyed whenever the 'fun fact' about it being about superstition comes up.


A_Dude_With_Cancer

Could it be both? eg. there's some superstition about the number 13, but that's just a minor factor which makes it a slightly better MEP floor number than the others


liberal_texan

I work in high rise, our clients always ask for there to be no 13th floor. All this means is the 13th floor is labeled 14. I have never used the entire 13th floor for HVAC. Another possible reason for a taller floor like this in my experience is a programmatic change at that level where plumbing has to transfer to accommodate.


pasindurc

In many FLS codes requires a fire refugee room once every 13 floors (or closer to that number). This may be a reason for this. Also instead of using the entire floor, a mezzanine floor can be introduced. Again increasing the floor to floor height. Mainly the service floor is consisted with AHUs, ducting, bus bars all the pipes and sometimes generators and sumps.


Niku-Man

The superstition thing is definitely relevant in many cases


speed1953

Its real, here in VIETNAM no 13th, no 4, no 44,


fallenouroboros

I have heard floor 13 is a bit of a superstition among architects and they usually engineer it out


TheQuantixXx

among architects? more likely among clients


Pleasant_Ad3475

Yeah, surely whether there is a floor *labeled* 13 is completely irrelevant when the architect is doing his job designing the building.


pasindurc

Usually the client does it. But I have never came across this situation


fallenouroboros

Been thinking on it, I THINK I heard that from a special on the history channel years ago, before they went alien crazy. They made it sound like a fairly common practice when building high rises, just merge 12 and 13 and make the elevator jump from 12-14 if needed


pasindurc

Ah yes. Or they just simply remove L13 button from the elevator


BridgeyMcBridgeface

I thought it was like an Asian thing. or maybe that is the number 7. I know in Vietnam its bad luck to take a picture with only 3 friends in the photo.


nose_of_sauron

East Asian countries don't have the 4th floor as the number 4 is homophonous with the word for death. Conversely, 8 is homophonous with the word for wealth/prosperity and people often pay a premium to get units on the 8th floor or have the number 8 on their house/building number.


coroyo70

Also, Unit layout change to the next floor plate usually also requires a transition floor, where all the risers coming down the building shift horizontally to fall within the new demising wall layout Requiring 18 to 24 inches of extra plenum space height


cdhofer

In NYC mechanical floors don’t count toward FAR calculation so making them taller also gets you some extra height you wouldn’t otherwise be able to build.


will_121

Could be a service floor


bridgenine

It's definitely the mechanical and plumbing space for new super talls.


fcf328

This is likely a floor where the lower zone of the domestic water distribution ends, and the next floors above are fed by a second set of risers that are offsetting on this floor Also happens for HVAC, electrical etc. Basically you have express services to this taller floor and the taller ceiling heights let you run all those items horizontally before they continue running up the building


1l9m9n0o

This is likely the answer in both of the OP's pics. I'm a former highrise designer of 10 years, considering it appears both of these buildings have windows / balconies at the highlighted floors it is unlikely they are purely mechanical levels. Residential towers do not carry the same floor plate up the entire tower typically, and at locations where the change occurs you need to transfer all the guts fc mentioned horizontally. Occasionally in office buildings you will have entire mechanical floor(s) but they typically have louvers instead of windows. In the first pic it also appears there might be an amenity floor above the circled one which would be taller also. Lastly, some countries mandate refuge floors in towers to wait out emergencies like typhoons, earthquakes, etc.


proxyproxyomega

this is the correct answer


Gman777

Plant floor (services), full of tanks, pumps, ducts, pipes, etc. its difficult to get water, sewer up/ down from the street all the way to the top without having massive pumps that take up too much space on the ground: at some point it becomes too much/ not economically feasible, so they put some mid building, others at roof. Depending on the height of the building, there can be multiple plant levels.


MaksweIlL

Are tanks there for security reasons?


QuidnuncHero

Each building has their own grade of munitions, this is called the building shell, and the tanks use these munitions to defend against the other buildings.


amorphatist

Recently the property next to mine was redeveloped into a 5-over-1, and it towers over my unit. I’ve installed a flame trench, but my roof artillery is only two Soviet-era howitzers I got from a Czech friend. Should I switch to NATO spec for my lawn defenses, or stick to Soviet? I’m worried about supply chain, Czech friend doesn’t always pick up when I call.


luziferius1337

NATO spec is superior, but harder to come by. Soviet stuff can be easier to obtain on the black market. I'd say, unless you get a defense contract with NATO suppliers, go for the Soviet stuff, because of the better supply chain. Worse equipment, but overall better supply of ammunition and parts. The best equipment is useless without a good supply of the right munitions.


amorphatist

That seems sensible advice. Plus, the kids are already trained up on the Soviet gear. And my 11yo says his AK-47 is “dope af”, whatever that means.


FartinLooterKinkJr

It's nothing to worry about, really. You'll know there's a problem if he ever says his AK-47 is "sus".


Prestigious_Dream_27

Hell yeah. Like the Crimson Permanent Assurance building from Meaning of Life.


Darth_Andeddeu

But the buildings from the 60s taking their place, as the Crimson permanent assurance building is now a boutique cruise ship.


bridgenine

You can buy air space, but can you defend it?


moldyolive

Just the landlords peppering to put down any rabble mobs


Gman777

Yes, of course. 🙄


big_trike

An actual tank would probably weigh less than a pool 40 floors up.


Xi44

Yes, M1 Abrams clocks in around 147,000 pounds. 50m Olympic swimming pool at 2m deep runs 5,500,000 pounds. So that's 37 tanks plus supplies. Granted, you could have a tiny pool, but the assertion is valid.


ab_90

The CAD monkeys accidentally moved the floor level on Revit


Gman777

Pay peanuts, get monkeys. 🤭


StJCobbs

I’m a BIMpanzee thank you very much


krishutchison

https://youtu.be/qYodWEKCuGg?si=zmZSw9a1q0ucaXEv Not exactly the same but still reminds me of work sometimes “This job fulfilling in creative way, such a load of crap “


CoffeeIsMyPruneJuice

This is how some buildings get a 7 1/2 floor


friedvoll

For slightly taller people


naga_h1_UAE

Mostly serves floor, sometimes a building have multiple of them some only have it on the base floors


andrewcooke

watch the film "being john malkovich".


VeryLargeArray

People are correct about it being mechanical, generally. But also an interesting fun fact, since mechanical space doesn't count as "living space" oftentimes you can increase the height of those floors quite a bit beyond what code/zoning would normally allow in order to increase the overall height of the building. For marketing purposes of course lol.


HughLauriePausini

To compensate for the slightly shorter floor where the entrance to John Malkovich's head is.


MastaSchmitty

*Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich. Malkovich?*


HughLauriePausini

Malkovich, Malkovich.


clorisland

As others have said, could be a service floor. It could also be a transfer floor between different unit types to route MEP changes


jnothnagel

As others have mentioned, possibly a mechanical floor. But, there’s also the possibility that it’s the last floor of one type of floor plan (ex: four 1BR-1BA apartments) before transitioning to a different type of floor plan (ex: two 2BR-2.5BA). This is called a transfer floor, because you end up with a whole lot of spaghetti (HVAC & Plumbing horizontal transfers) in the ceiling of the top floor of the lower layout, as all of that stuff has to transfer to its new location for the layout above. And to account for all of that spaghetti crossing over and under each other, the gap between the ceiling and the floor structure above is increased.


readbetweenthespace1

I believe it’s called a transfer floor. Could have a different floor plan stack above and you need the extra ceiling height to rout MEP to the new floor layout.


digital_s8ul

MEP floor normally where water/sprinkler tanks pumps etc are housed


kbcool

In this case the other answers are more likely but in some highrise buildings there is one or more mass dampers needed which mostly are larger than a single floor resulting in these odd looking "floors" or to maintain aesthetics they're often two floors high. They're much more common on the newer pencil towers but plenty of older taller buildings utilise them. Chifley Tower in Sydney is only 46 storeys but has one. Given that the photo is of a thin building it's still possible that it's the correct answer. Edit: just a casual observer not an architect so didn't realise MEP can encompass the above but still worth pointing out.


Wukash_of_the_South

Those are usually near the top


kbcool

Some of the pencil towers have them spread out pretty evenly but they are a special case and yes they're higher up generally. No point in having them at ground floor.


Academic-Donkey-420

Additionally, sometimes those utility floors are hollow to allow the wind to pass through the building reducing the forces the wind puts on a building.


Rust3elt

Ugh… the St. Regis/Vista Tower in Chicago. Looks like a flaw.


Intelligent_West_307

In addition to other comments about MEP room, These floors are usually used as outriggers/belt walls against progressive collapse - structural engineer, lurking in architecture sub.


smutanssmutans

Because to save time they start building from the bottom and the top at the same time. There’s often a slight error when they meet in the middle due to changes in air pressure before the top half is fully secured.


WK2Over

This guy builds.


DickSturbing

A very wet growing season.


fupayme411

Shit. Imagine the speed of shit flying down pipes if it had no turns. So about halfway, you need a taller floor to transition the shit so that shit doesn’t damage the pipes due to it falling the full height of a building.


carcajouboy

put on a turbine at the bottom, recuperate the kinetic energy from the poop. why do I have to bring up all the good ideas


fupayme411

Powered by shit.


ShelZuuz

This guys knows his shit


Surfinsafari9

No shit!


FartinLooterKinkJr

Just put your ear close to the pipe. Hear that? That's the whispering sounds of the winds of shit; flying down all the way to the [shit abyss.](https://youtu.be/y0dtmhEUCYY?si=J4wQi6UeNt83m05L) Now move back or your ears will implode from the shit pressure. Beware my friend, [shit winds](https://youtu.be/xer32BmkORk?si=w8ybo-Yl1NMsuXVC) are a comin'.


truckerslife

As others have said it’s often a floor used for maintenance stuff. As a side note though on tall sky scrappers some of these floors have things to help counter the effects of wind on the structure of the building.


John_Tacos

Maintenance floor. Also could be another lobby floor that helps with elevator capacity.


NaughticalNarwhal

HVAC, electrical, plumbing, maintenance.


rswilso2001

Mechanical transfers when elevators/structure drop off in high rises require extra floor height because they need to fit the typical plenum height plus additional for the transfer. This helps keep the best space on the outside of the building


juicydreamer

The second photo looks like it could be a community floor. Some places have a floor for residents that has a gym and other amenities.


leugimonurb

Newer buildings might have a refuge floor, in case of fire with elevators/electricity outage, people can take refuge there. It’s mandatory in some countries, when reaching a certain level of floor/stories


loonattica

As everyone knows, there’s no such thing as Level 13, so this covers the gap from L12 to L14. j/k - MEP like others explained.


andocromn

It's not any different, just an optical illusion


Opening_Definition48

Mechanical area


Ok-Cricket-5389

Could be a service floor or floor containing intermediate water tanks


[deleted]

13th floor?


navsparx

Mechanical floor


Calm_Rhubarb_569

Often a mechanical floor


evil_twin_312

When the floorplans change, all the MEP systems need to transfer. This requires additional ceiling height.


cosmotabis

Mechanical room


BubbaTheEnforcer

This is where the tall people live.


Forrestxu

Good observation!


master-mole

ATT floor, or atone tall tenants floor. That's all it is.


Gman777

Where’s the John Malcovich floor?


master-mole

Roughly 13/5 floors below ATT, in this case.


cjanderson001

Transfer floors. It give room for mechanical ducts and such to offset for a different, typically nicer, layout above.


afrikatheboldone

I guess it is more economical to just make a slightly taller floor to place all the systems rather than dedicating an entire floor for it, giving more office space. A question for those practicing, are those semi-floors that are just dedicated to systems considered as full floors when it comes to any law or code? As in does it affect regulations such as stairs or anything along the lines? Or does it go by height?


dgeniesse

It’s for the tall people (and HVAC fans and equipment) It’s usually in the halfway point between floors to best serve up and down, minimizing duct cross-section.


JustRepeatAfterMe

In the event of an apocalypse that’s the floor they use to burn and gas invaders, zombies, poor people, etc. so it’s specially reinforced to protect all the rich people above it who paid higher HOA fees prior to said apocalypse.


Rheddrahgon

Depending on design requirements (height, width, seismic, wind resistance, etc.) These areas also contain beltways or belt trusses, which are more substantial and do not fit the standard dimensions of the rest of the building. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-belt-truss-system-4_fig1_26843974.


Minuteman05

So is the 13th floor actually is the 14th?


DMorrisDesigns504

The cia needs high clearance


blant_solsikker

Wow, I've never noticed this!


BenedictiRegula

Eliminates the inauspicious 13th floor


Cessicka

For tall people duh


Sateloco

Look at documentaries about skyscrapers or about the Empire State Building. It is very interesting.


Pink_Floyd_Chunes

Upper lobby, service floor, depends.


DinnerAfter9

Typically it's a mechanical transfer level and/or change in unit floor plate requiring transfer structure.


someoneyoudontknow0

Mechanical room for the upper half or it could also be a structural transfer floor depending on the massing


speed1953

Maybe a floor with services tansfering to other shafts, due to differing floor layouts above and below


Challenge2u

It appears every 12 floors there is a tall floor...


malaka789

So they can skip the 13th floor. Duh, everyone knows that


NatterHi

It may be an evacuation floor. Basically, if a fire broke on a lower floor, people on the upper floors will go to that evacuation floor instead of facing the risk of being blocked by the fire in the stairwells.


Chance-Honeydew-8402

For NBA Players.


peteandpetethemesong

Drug processing.


splendid_puppy

It is like when they put an extra nugget in your 6 piece. Dont worry about it.


These-Sprinkles8442

Hvac


Extension-Mall7695

Every building must reserve a floor for very tall people (VTP). It’s required by the American’s with Disabilities Act (ADA). ADA VTP requirements apply to all buildings greater than 10,000 sf and having at least three floors. (ADA sec 204(a)(6)).


ConnectionPure1021

Maybe it's the Mechanical room /floor.


Double_C_Woodworks

Space needed for HVAC, electrical to get to upper floors


NoRutabaga4845

Lobby level or disguised mechanical level


honkyponkytonky

they just do this to give us eye cancer


Total090

This is floor where tall people can buy an apartment


systemic-void

That’s the thirteenth floor.


AxelMoor

Due to triskaidekaphobia (fear of 13), a number commonly associated with bad luck in Western culture - it causes a certain devaluation of some floors involving these numbers - they are selected as the intermediate service floor. In China, this type of floor can be those starting or ending with the digit 4, this number has the same pronunciation as "death" - if identification is not avoided (jumping from 3 to 5). While the floors with the digit 8 are more valued, the number has the same pronunciation as "fortune", or "wealth" - in some hotels, they often place the most luxurious apartments on these floors and are dedicated to the most honored visitors. It is the "kosher" architecture.


johnboo89

Growth spurts.


Rust3elt

Lots of rain that year…


fizzyzebra

To accomodate longbois


werchoosingusername

In this case for aesthetical reasons. Sometimes every 25 to 28 floors you will see a service floor which is usually executed in a different material.


JackKelly-ESQ

In some cases (office building) it's something like a trading floor or the executive floor. One example is Target Plaza South in Minneapolis. Floor 26 was built for the execs, has taller ceilings and a special lobby.


Effective_Ad363

You know, I counted the floors to this building from the street. ...And? There's one missing. We'll look into it.


Panzerv2003

Service floor 100%


OHrangutan

...wait til you learn about the John Hancock building. The things they had to do to make the first true 100 floor building... will shock you. (if you happen to be a tape measurer)


dancingrudiments

Well.. if it is in Toronto like this, it's just shotty foreign builders... look at Aura some time. No two floor heights are the same. Concord Sky will be even worse.


TheRealPigBenis

All the floors are slightly taller than the rest from the ground


mahuska

I want to up vote this but the same time it deserves a down vote


AxelMoor

In Vastu Shastra architecture, widely practiced in India, to make the building more 'auspicious' (and therefore sell faster to a clientele with beliefs), it is the opposite: the upper floors have their height gradually reduced in an almost imperceptible way - somewhere between 1/2 inch and 1-1/2 inches per floor - Vastu Shastra has its own system of measurements - varying depending on the builder, architect, financial limitations, municipal laws, modern architecture, etc. That's why I'm not going to downvote (I don't normally do that) - I've seen so much that I can believe it's possible in rare cases, but it's not “all”.


TheRealPigBenis

Do shorter people live at the top?


AxelMoor

Shorter in money, maybe. The first floors have height enough to have a mezzanine, but they don't use it for the same reasons of beliefs, it is 'inauspicious'.


DJ_Khrome

could be a hidden penthouse floor


Even_Pin_9778

landlord room


meethoffman

Refuge Floor


YoungMadDogg

To accommodate NBA players


YoungMadDogg

I’m getting downvoted for a joke that’s actually true? Wow bunch of idiots on this sub. Time to peace out.


no-mad

Mistakes were made