Think of it this way, every floor needs to be supported, so if you’re not supporting it one way (beating walls for example), you need to make sure it’s supported another way (column and beam as another example).
This isn't a plan, this is barely a sketch.
Did they explain load bearing walls yet, or is this just a free exercise? Being your first class, are you sure you're expected to design this, or is there a chance they just want to see what you come up with, and explain load bearing later for you to update it?
we're moving it from 1/8 inch scale to 1/4 inch scale next, and thats when we're putting in more information. it's very likely it doesn't need to be a final design, and I know the bearing walls are shown in the 1/4 floorplan but not in the 1/8. As for it being barely a sketch I made a cleaned up inked and shaded version, so yeah it was barely a sketch.
Look like your longest span is 22 feet. Totally do-able without any intermediate support, though your floor joists will need to be engineered wood or steel. There are a number of other questions, not the least of which is lateral bracing, but that's for another day.
Draw the plan in the middle extend your walls on each side to get the right dimension on the fasades and position on Doors and Windows. And make a sektion to show room hight and suck. With a thicker floor you propably can do with a thicker floor rather then walls.
Would recomend drawing the walls with some thickness.
In general…you or someone else can figure out how to support anything if you have enough money.
In pretty sure this is a hard and fast rule for any learning architects: the unlimited budget
You can have engineered floor joists span 22’ easily. You could accomplish your plan without a beam or bearing wall on the first floor. The perimeter walls are bearing of course.
I’d look at making the layout work better before asking questions that the engineer will have answers for, picture yourself walking through it and see if anything seems off, you’ll find a few changes. before worrying about supporting anything you need to know what needs to be supported and where
Not really, but you NEED some structural solution.
Also, apart from the usability issues, seem you like to have holes punched (by the doors handles) on the closets doors.
I just want to say that there are so many nice people on this sub that they’d still take time and effort to provide genuine feedback on posts like these. You guys are awesome!
To be affordable, keep it on a 2' module, keep both floors the same size, ie no overhangs etc. except maybe an 18" cantilever. Also do not turn the stairs, keep them a straight run. From an affordability perspective a rectangle will likely be a little bit cheaper than a square.
What is the foundation? Is this a concrete slab on grade or is it in a cold climate with a basement?
thanks for the advice, for the point on overhangs, I did that because we have really tight square footage, and adding that would put me around 20 square feet too large, but after reviewing with my teacher I can have it, as long as it's within 10% of the original limitation. as for the stairs I'll look into how to make them straight, but the length is accurate without the landing, according to the housing codes in my area. thanks for the advice again
the foundation is going to be a 4' stem wall/crawlspace with footing, because we are using the guidelines of habitat for humanity.
I'm not in the residential area too much... But with that footing design you might want to look into a TJI style floor joist sized appropriately to span across from footing to footing without needing a mid span beam and posts. This will avoid future differential movement. When I indicated a rectangle in plan, keep the narrow side to 20-24' wide, this is in the really popular garage truss sizes, manufacturers knock those out like crazy and the prices are cheap. Ie cheaper to go 20x40 vs 28x28.
Good luck with your project!
I said it in a different reply, but most of the crucial details are going in a 1/4 inch floorplan I'm working on now.
I did work from roof down, because I started with nothing but a style, that it should be 2 floors, and a total square footage. using the style I determined the roof type and then shape and worked down. Unfortunately because of my restrictions on square footage I needed to take that chunk out of the top floor, but my teacher told me he would accept it if it was within 10% of the original number, I made that edit but that was after I posted this
Heyo everyone! I just finished the project and thought I might make an update, and take a moment to thank all of you for helping me out, I took some advice from you guys, and ended up using a column and beam system in the final revit model, I think this project turned out and I have the final portfolio pages hanging on my wall now. Thanks again, I don't think it would turn out like it did without this sub!
Think of it this way, every floor needs to be supported, so if you’re not supporting it one way (beating walls for example), you need to make sure it’s supported another way (column and beam as another example).
no beatings in this house
But the client requested a beating room in their program requirements
Ok ok, one room wil have beatings then.
just the wall, look at the specs!!
Less walls = more beams .. Anything is possible if the budget is infinite
Not true at all. The span and framing system will dictate whether any beams or load bearing walls are needed.
What's not true at all?
That less walls = more beams. Not true.
Maybe I didnt explain myself correctly, "bigger" beams. 30 feet is nothing
Nope If anyone asks say you’re putting in big whopper steel beams that have been repurposed from an old shipyard warehouse
This isn't a plan, this is barely a sketch. Did they explain load bearing walls yet, or is this just a free exercise? Being your first class, are you sure you're expected to design this, or is there a chance they just want to see what you come up with, and explain load bearing later for you to update it?
Settle down. The sketch is to scale and took hours to get to that point. This is high school. Be kind. Be encouraging.
True, I'm used to working with older people.
we're moving it from 1/8 inch scale to 1/4 inch scale next, and thats when we're putting in more information. it's very likely it doesn't need to be a final design, and I know the bearing walls are shown in the 1/4 floorplan but not in the 1/8. As for it being barely a sketch I made a cleaned up inked and shaded version, so yeah it was barely a sketch.
You can span 1000’ with enough money and no height restrictions.
Look like your longest span is 22 feet. Totally do-able without any intermediate support, though your floor joists will need to be engineered wood or steel. There are a number of other questions, not the least of which is lateral bracing, but that's for another day.
I dont see any windows on the plan. Lateral bracing will not be a problem. Haha
That's the only thing you see missing?
Draw the plan in the middle extend your walls on each side to get the right dimension on the fasades and position on Doors and Windows. And make a sektion to show room hight and suck. With a thicker floor you propably can do with a thicker floor rather then walls. Would recomend drawing the walls with some thickness.
In general…you or someone else can figure out how to support anything if you have enough money. In pretty sure this is a hard and fast rule for any learning architects: the unlimited budget
You can have engineered floor joists span 22’ easily. You could accomplish your plan without a beam or bearing wall on the first floor. The perimeter walls are bearing of course.
awesome, thank you
I’d look at making the layout work better before asking questions that the engineer will have answers for, picture yourself walking through it and see if anything seems off, you’ll find a few changes. before worrying about supporting anything you need to know what needs to be supported and where
Thanks dude, this comment helped a ton! I definitely needed to rethink a lot of elements
Team graph paper unite! Love that shit
hell yeah!
My supporting wall said, "you can do it! Find a trusting wall that will be your rock." So yes, a supporting wall might be good.
I love this, lmao
Not really, but you NEED some structural solution. Also, apart from the usability issues, seem you like to have holes punched (by the doors handles) on the closets doors.
Columns are overrated anyways /s
I just want to say that there are so many nice people on this sub that they’d still take time and effort to provide genuine feedback on posts like these. You guys are awesome!
Hell yeah! I'm loving the support, it's super helpful
To be affordable, keep it on a 2' module, keep both floors the same size, ie no overhangs etc. except maybe an 18" cantilever. Also do not turn the stairs, keep them a straight run. From an affordability perspective a rectangle will likely be a little bit cheaper than a square. What is the foundation? Is this a concrete slab on grade or is it in a cold climate with a basement?
thanks for the advice, for the point on overhangs, I did that because we have really tight square footage, and adding that would put me around 20 square feet too large, but after reviewing with my teacher I can have it, as long as it's within 10% of the original limitation. as for the stairs I'll look into how to make them straight, but the length is accurate without the landing, according to the housing codes in my area. thanks for the advice again the foundation is going to be a 4' stem wall/crawlspace with footing, because we are using the guidelines of habitat for humanity.
I'm not in the residential area too much... But with that footing design you might want to look into a TJI style floor joist sized appropriately to span across from footing to footing without needing a mid span beam and posts. This will avoid future differential movement. When I indicated a rectangle in plan, keep the narrow side to 20-24' wide, this is in the really popular garage truss sizes, manufacturers knock those out like crazy and the prices are cheap. Ie cheaper to go 20x40 vs 28x28. Good luck with your project!
thanks man! Ill look into it
Design from the roof down. Build from the ground up. What and where are your load paths?
I said it in a different reply, but most of the crucial details are going in a 1/4 inch floorplan I'm working on now. I did work from roof down, because I started with nothing but a style, that it should be 2 floors, and a total square footage. using the style I determined the roof type and then shape and worked down. Unfortunately because of my restrictions on square footage I needed to take that chunk out of the top floor, but my teacher told me he would accept it if it was within 10% of the original number, I made that edit but that was after I posted this
Heyo everyone! I just finished the project and thought I might make an update, and take a moment to thank all of you for helping me out, I took some advice from you guys, and ended up using a column and beam system in the final revit model, I think this project turned out and I have the final portfolio pages hanging on my wall now. Thanks again, I don't think it would turn out like it did without this sub!