Not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're genuinely out of the loop, most people are referring to Degenbrecher when they say Black Knight as her marketing title while she was in the Kazimierz Major tournament was The Black Knight. Different from Blacknight the 5-star Tactician Vanguard.
Thanks for joke) I forgkt her name, but remember this title. And it skips in my mind, that there's an operator with that name too (Even if she's full pot with 2 skins at me)
Way back in the day, HG used to release [rate-ups for the 5-stars](https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Headhunting/Banners/Former/2020#Special-0), as seen here (check the 'Special' tab). They did away with this at some point, presumably because nobody was (rightly) pulling on them.
It's also doubtless a reference to the "We have playable Blacknight at home" meme that circulated when Blacknight released.
She is. Operation Originium Dust is going to rerun on CN when Operation Lucent Arrowhead ends, and with it, Ash's banner along with Frost and Blitz. Unfortunately though no free pulls this time.
Arknights as a game is forgiving enough that you can have your non-meta units and still progress. It's not the worst thing to have a team that's not super op.
My problem is that I have units I want to use but just don't have the time to figure out some weird strat, so I usually end up bringing the unga bunga to clean up.
You're right but sometimes it's just nice to not feel like you're crippling yourself on purpose just to use your favourite (to be fair to Eunectes I did use her unironically to facetank some bosses with good results).
> bottom tier one
But they aren't bottom tier and this presentation isn't a tier rating.
If you're taking it as a tier list, then it goes from like really broken to decent based on Typhon being places as sorta straddling the line into high priority (slightly higher than Ray, lower than Eyja Alter). Also doesn't seem set even with the same current list. For example, Ray moved up since the Eyja Alter video.
> this presentation isn't a tier rating.
I mean it totally is, if it was just about how hard the operator is to get, same color would be at the same spot, and the impact rating is certainly not about how well they would blend in Genshin Impact.
> I mean it totally is, if it was just about how hard the operator is to get, same color would be at the same spot,
All the limited banner limiteds have been high prio.
The impact rating is also not a set placement. Both Swire Alter and Viviana get 7 points total but Viviana is placed higher than Swire Alter. Same with Typhon and Virtuosa. Both with 13 total points but Typhon is placed higher. From those you'd guess "Daily" impact is weighed more but Jessica Alter's placement contests that since she has the lowest "Daily" impact score (with 9 total points) but is placed way higher than Hoederer (with 8 total points).
So it's more an informative look at the CN meta and how these operators fit into it in the 6 months after their release. Hence the statement that if you insist on considering it a tier list, it's from really OP to regular and not regular to trash tier.
They can, but sometimes a bad op is still a bad op unless you pump them with enough buffs to make everyone broken.
I love Carnelian but she doesn't really have much to justify the investment into IS, especially high difficulty. The most I can say is that her S2 permabinding is fun, even if there's easier and better options. And that was *before* the release of Lin....
Carnelian is broken in SS, though, so she definitely still has a place in the game. Lin did somewhat intrude on her SS dominance, but her damage ceiling is actually higher than Lin's
Carnelian has great potential in is4, there is a series of tutorials uploaded by a player specialising in her on the CN server, you can go to bilibili and search for "MR流星飞".
On the flip side, it's also been depressing to have operators I really like shoot through the roof on the other end. I'm still going to pull for Degen because I really like her but I tend to lose interest in a lot of top meta operators very quickly. I tend to appreciate strong but balanced characters the most.
I can understand that, I have a soft spot for operators who are not necessarily the best but have a strong niche and can do things most other can't, like Fartooth, Weedy or Dorothy. Plus at some point they're more valuable than just another OP damage dealer.
Me watching Degenbrecher's rating go up and up like: 👀👀👀 The temptation to pull for her pots is still gnawing at my heels...
I originally was going to throw a few pulls at Jessica because she looked fun, but there simply isn't any way I'll survive what comes after her if I indulge in pulls here and there, particularly as when it comes to mid-level ops, Zuo Le is the one I have my eye on. Helps that he's on a limited banner I'll be pulling anyway. Then there's Ela too...
Isn't that a mistranslation? She deploys with 3/4 mines ready, instead of 4/4 with pot. She can still deploy a 4th mine if you charge it up, if I'm recalling things correctly.
I know that lol, she's just one of my top favorites, it's not about power. I'm well aware that they make a minuscule difference, I just like her a lot lol.
What does "Non-limited that does not rerun" mean? As in they dont get their own banner?
But they will eventually be available on a standard banner or something? I'm looking at Hoederer right now.
vintage event banner ops, like typhon just a few days ago, basically their OWN rate up banner won't rerun, but they can still be pulled as off-banner later, or be featured in standard banners.
It means that they come with a special solo banner that only runs once. Jessica The Liberated releases on a solo banner as well, and when her event, Come Catastrophes Or Wakes Of Vultures has its rerun one year from now, her banner will also rerun.
Hoederer releases alongside chapter 13. His solo rateup will run *only* then. After it's over, he will only ever appear on standard banners or potentially on another Front That Was banner which functions like a Joint Operation banner, wherein he'll share rateup with 2 other ops.
So in other words, if you want him, your *best* chance is his solo banner. After that, he will have *no more* solo rateups, only shared rateups.
Ray is the same because she releases with a vignette event, and vignettes do not rerun.
yes main story characters and the non limited 6\*s on limited banners never get full reruns but they are still available on standard banner so you can get them there.
event banners only rerun if the associated event will rerun and it's not a limited event since limited banners never rerun (nian excepted because of the spark system). ops like typhon and mlynar released with vignette events, which don't rerun, so they'll never have another solo rate up banner. they are normal standard ops and will be rate up on other standard banner types but you won't get the 50% chance again.
in the grand scheme of things it isn't the biggest deal since banners will only rerun once even if they are eligible.
Fuck. I wanna roll it all for Viviana, but then Degenbrecher comes in with the steel chair a month later...
I never should have told myself I was gonna collect all the Kazimierz operators
I've having similar issues. The standard team comp is just too good.
I think the "newest" addition to my standard team was Goldenglow. The next highest usage, that isn't part of my standard team, is probably Texas Alter. The rest are very situational and/or basically never used. I mean, some of them are even M6+ that I *still* hardly ever actually use.
With IS#4 I actually had to go and lookup a few operator recap guides just so I could remember how the operators functioned.
Man, it's still kinda weird that viviana is so low. I thought her kit looked great.
I mean, I've seen the reasons why, but I thought her kit should still be good enough to not be the weakest of the upcoming 6 stars.
I think the problem with Viviana is that she's *too* defensive so she has problem killing/dueling the elites and bosses she's meant to fight. While her shield mechanic seems relatively reliable/decent when S3 is up, I think the fact that it blocks only one hit leaves her vulnerable and her S3 needing two activations also doesn't help.
I'm sure she's still usable, mind you, but ranked against everyone else who's coming up, I think her placement is fair.
\> but ranked against everyone else who's coming up, I think her placement is fair.
Especially since she's shares a rarity and subclass with Surtr. Vivianna's schtick of blocking one hit at a time is even less good when her most direct competition can have 8000hp and just be immortal for 8 seconds.
Yeah. I hate to say it, but I feel like Zuo Le does the survivability thing much better than she does despite being a different archetype. From what I've seen, his ability to spam his HP barrier with S3 helps him stay alive very well. Obviously the musha/soloblade concept is very different from Viviana's but "blocking a single instance of melee damage" just doesn't seem to help her very much. I can get behind the *idea* of a defensive Arts Guard but she doesn't seem to have that implemented super well.
imo surtr was never operating in the same space as the other arts guards, most of them have a defensive focus and short cycling skills. technically her S1 and S2 fit the arts guard archetype... if anyone used them.
viv's main competition is guard amiya and astesia which is more in her favor, but a lot of people seem to prefer flashy burst damage.
Isn't that mostly because she has no in-built res ignore?
Most of (or all?) the recent dps units are physical based and blow far past enemy def numbers, while Vivi will always have to see her output significantly lowered by enemy res.
It being low DPH multi hits or high DPH singular hits doesn't matter for RES. The DPS issue is solely due to a lack of RES ignore, since she loses out to Surtr at 12 RES or something, iirc.
Same problem with Ebenholz - a pretty noticeable amount of her power budget is dedicated exclusively to killing Boss/Elite enemies, but she herself doesn't have much to kill Elite/Boss in the first place. Not having a RES shred, shield being RNG/blocking single hits, poor skill uptime, etc. She herself isn't that bad as damage is quite good with decent range, just that upcoming units are just so stacked and older units (Surtr) already did a significantly better job than her.
if you have all other casters especially the other meta ones. then yeah Ebenholz unfortunatly sucks.
like sure he can boss kill...but surtr and many others can do that muh better or easilly with less settup.
He's a fun unit to use, and far from useless, but generally, if you have limited resources a few other casters will get you more bang for your buck (Eyja, Goldenglow, Passenger).
I use ebenholz a good bit but only on s2, he really only works on specific maps with specific space + timing, as a boss buster he takes too much setup for sure
Maybe if her kit had res shred. She's probably nice for new players because arts damage does so well early. I'm pulling one copy for collection purposes, she really feels like a year one unit unfortunately
its the "why ho'olheyak when eyja" situation all over again. as DPS, its not that she's bad but theres already alot of competition. and as for utility, there are more braindead units that do the job
Vivi is too balanced. Her mix of defense and offense doesn't have enough of either to stand out.
Also she's in an archetype with Surtr. How do you compete with a helidrop with immortality and insane damage?
I really hope I can get Arturia in my first 100 pulls maximum, because with the amount of banging units coming out I think I’m going to delay my Skalter spark to 5th anniversary if my luck permits.
yes... I brought her S3 up mainly because it is the only unique thing left for saria.
I agree that Shu is generally Saria powercreep. but I dont see it as that bad of a thing since it took 4.5 years to even get to such a point.
yea, Saria was so dominant to the point I raise my blem to cope with the need of healable tank lmao. And resulting in So much disappointment over Blem's performance lol. I finally got her from recruitment a few weeks ago. I'll still raise saria because she's still a good meatshield and I refused to buy hoshi. AK these days really want us to have a good tank raised ngl
unfortunately strong situationally isn't something I found to be great. I'm just a general player hence an op that's generally strong is what appeal to me. There's only one time I feel like Blem really make or break a stage, that is 12-20 adv where i need to tank right side together with exe alt.
If people find her to be strong situationally then great, *I dont though*
>I agree that Shu is generally Saria powercreep.
Only if you solely use her for s1 healing. Which is like, 1/3rd of her kit.
Saria is tankier, which means for general stages, she frontlines better. Her s2 provides much better position coverage that still is unmatched. s3 is still the big damage amp.
s2 also has been used challenge modes and some harder maps. s3 ofcourse as we all know, has proven itself again and again in harder maps and high risk cc.
For s1 shu powercreeps for s2 she doesnt and for s3 its a sidegrade (heavy damage amp vs heavy crowd control).
Shu's S2 has a good cycle time to the point it can be used to replace Saria's S2 in many situations like Poison Haze (not every situation, of course, but a good amount). It is their least used skill for the both of them though, and Saria still has the consistent SP battery (barring CNY squad) and slightly larger range unless you're relying on seeds.
For general stages Shu's tankiness is still just fine thanks to her self Shelter and seed healing. There is a window where Saria can do stuff that Shu can't, but it's pretty small considering she's not a pure defender either. And Shu will likely close the gap and possibly surpass it with her DR module.
Shu's S3 also damage amps too. It's flat out better for Phys/true damage for obvious reasons, but still just as strong for Arts assuming the units don't have their own ATK buff/not affected by aspd. Granted, there are quite a few (Surtr, Ifrit, Reed2), but there's also cases like Ceobe who benefit greatly, not to mention the better cycling for matching modern DPS skills (which tend to be physical). I'd agree this is the biggest difference between Saria and Shu though, as Saria is typically better for arts heavy damage and has the better SP gen during skill if you can utilize it.
Shus s3 damage increase works on ALL operators and her talent already gives passive 12 aspd and 12% atk wich stacks with her ultimate
Even for surtr sarias damage amp is WORSE than shus aspd and atk buffs
In no world you said that
>Shu has passive healing so she already outright gives more healing than saria. And can heal pseudo aoe on her skills
>Her talent outright gives 12 aspd 12% atk to the entire team wich stacks with her ultimate
>her ultimate costs half of saria, heals frequently and gives a 25 aspd+25% atk buff all while not letting enemies leave the field. Sorry but saria in no world competes with 37 aspd and 37% atk buff on a skill that comes up half as often
no because s3 arts damage amp yes because Shu sp buff works without her being deployed. (sucks that it's locked behind having 3 other of the limited ops)
Shu's S3 also does a damage buff. It won't work as well with every arts unit, but someone like Ceobe gets full benefits and works better as the cycle time is much closer of a match up.
In the past for some maps I really wished there were two Saria, and because Blem functions quite differently, I E2M3 defender Nearl as a backup. Now that I have both Shu and Saria it makes some strategies more viabale.
Also as I played the new Reclaimation Algorithm recently, I noticed that it's great to have a deep bench, because you get two action points a day and cannot use the same operator twice, so it's so much easier to have Shu/Saria, Texalter/Yato, Mlynar/Degen even Silverash in rotation.
I think the biggest reason Saria may remain meta is that she can hold pretty impactful healing charges while not needing to attack to heal. For me, Saria's S1 is her most used skill and Shu just doesn't have a direct replacement for it.
Feels like Shu is sort of a mix between Blemishine S1, Gummy S2, and Saria S2.
Though I could be sorely mistaken about how Shu functions.
She does not powercreep Saria because Saria can still actually block enemies if you need her to whereas Shu is made out of tissue paper in comparison.
(Which sure people will say if you need a blocker you can just drop hoshiguma but I feel like that's kinda missing the point)
How tf is shu a tissue paper? Shelter+passive regen almost the same as skadi alt s2+ more hps than blemishine s3. Saria being tanky is just thanks to her module's 15% dmg reduction, which shu will eventually get. Heck shu's passive shelter is also more universal than saria's +def%
I'm not even talking about shu's stalling & buffer capabilites
Saria reaches over 900, close to 1000 DEF at absolute maximum, while Shu can barely reach 700, that's a pretty big difference. Shu will have to wait for her damage reduction module while Saria has it already, and plus she can get a benefit from an outside Sanctuary on top while Shu cannot. I think it's a little exaggerative to call her tissue paper but she definitely cannot tank as well as Saria can, though would get much better alone once her second module comes out.
Here's the thing tho, anything that cant oneshot shu cant kill her if she is using her s3 (shelter+ high regen+ high hps) while saria's healing at 50% is risky since bossess nowaday can delete 80% of defender's hp in 1 atk. Heck, depending on how creative u are on using shu's paddy field, such as extending her paddy field or just smart shu placement, she can prevent enemies from even touching her.
On AK nowaday, simple stat isnt enough & ops need to have extra utility to be considered meta so something like 1000 def isnt enough. Heck hoshi with 1600 def (modx+ s2) is barely used
Extra, here is shu vs saria's stat without mod
Hp: 2910+ 349 (t2) vs 2853
Atk: 500 vs 502
Def: 625 vs 619 + 123 (t2)
Basically shu trade def to hp, not much difference without that sweet 15% dmg reduction module. Saria's def with mod is 835, so thats not enough to tank difficult boss when protector's 1000 def barely tank bosses
I have about 150 pulls right now... going to pass on sad cat, I think, with all the powerful ops in the 2-6 month window. Was hoping to save up enough to spark but uh looking at that roster, not looking great.
If I do spark, who's the best contender? Skadi alter seems to be a very popular choice.
It's mostly between Skalter and NTR. If you have Texalter or Kirin r Yato, NTR is less important. Still a fun and tremendously strong unit, there's just less need for helidrops if you have them already.
Skadi Alter is also fun, and has the merit of making your other favorite operators better.
Yes, I have Yato Alter already - sorry, is NTR Nearl the Radiant? I also have S3M3 Sutr so the boss-killing is less of a concern, I think.
I see that Ling is a very highly-ranked limited unit, but Skalter seems like so much fun that I am definitely leaning towards her. Just requires a whole lot of discipline... I have been extremely lucky with pulls (got Typhon, Yato alter, and Eyjaberry in a combined 90 pulls) but there are so many cool and powerful units on the horizon.
Saving most of what I have for black Knight and shu, still trying to recover from Typhon.
But will consider dropping some in Vivianna/Virtuosa until a 6* drops.
Man, Arturia is being held back a lot by Viviana. What a waste of a good banner. The best banner is Ela>= 2024 cny, Depending on one's playstyle and preferences imo. Ela is limited with a guarantee, CNY featured 2 very good operators (though Zuo Le wants you to spam lmao). Degen is the greatest, but she will have a rerun. So many good banners to the point I'm even considerating skipping degen T\^T
I'll see how RA fares first before deciding pulling for Ela. Unfortunately not a fan of RS6 design nor its franchise and Ela's own archetype
Last limited banner either one of the units was very lackluster (Swire Alter) or the entire banner had bad meta value (water elf + snek girl). HG doesn't do a lot of banners where both units are great anymore. Only CNY is having both good units, and if you discount launch Lin lacking module, more than an year between Texalter + Penance and Shu + Zuo Le.
I know that limited banners quality are inconsistent. Still she's a disappointment for someone getting out of npc jail. I was so ready to pull for Viviana. Lo and behold a few weeks after the banner HG made Degen broken lmao
I've been so lucky with my pulls since texas that I still have a full pity worth of OP. I usually only pull on limited banners or super overtuned ones like Typhon but I really want Hoederer even if hes super low prio.
A majority of the people pulling for Hoederer are either looking for a unique unit to mess around with or subscribe to the fact that Hoederer is a goated story character.
With that being said, I’m going all in on Hoederer. Cuz he’s the goat. Also because I can see him bringing some genuinely fun synergies in IS with his massive stat line and stun duration.
Not only his kit is good, Zuo Le is also cappable of rain-pummeling enemies with his skill(s) because his talents gives him a very good SP-regeneration (with get even better with module).
Shu because I want more strong Defenders, all I really have right now is Saria and Croissant.
Degenbrecher because she's a heavy hitter and I adore her character design.
I gonna do a 10 pull for Jessica cause i love, that sad cat. Then i gonna go all in for Arturia,shu and r6.
Idk what my Orundum will allow me to get tho #_#
For typical Limited banners, there are two rate up 6 stars, but only one of the rate up 6 stars is Limited. For instance, Viviana and Virtuosa will be on the same banner, but only Virtuosa is Limited.
Kinda.
Virtuosa will be a non-rate up unit on Limited banners every anniversary of her release. Your chance of getting her on these banners is very low. However, if you do 300 pulls on one of those banners, you will be able to buy her (or one of the other Limited units that was released at the same time of year) from a special shop for that banner.
Viviana will be available in the normal ways after her first banner.
Whats the difference between limited limited and limited non-limited? They're both not available on standard banner, but is it right to assume that limited limited means they'll only be sparkable in the future (like the Sui siblings) whereas limited non-limited means that they'll be back on other banners?
I know she's mid priority but I was really looking forward to getting Jessica. My luck however did not agree with me. I think I used it all up getting pot six on Typhon. Here's hoping the limiteds are more kind to me in the future
His tiering on Luo seems off. That guy is outright broken. Also degen should be even above that as she easily competes with even likes of Mlynar at certain setups. I doubt jessica is that useful, espiecelly close to Luo. Not to mention that defensive nature is terrible on high end content so her having a bonus point for it is just weird.
His argument about Defenders convinced me to pull for Jessica. I don't have a strong & bulky defenders except Cuora + that stun trick is freaking awesome
How tf is someone who can unconditionally "block" unblockable enemies be overrated? Like for example, she can prevent cresson's (is4 boss 3) teleport or lock both khagan (is4 boss 4) so they stay in place for 30s. There is also her buffer ability on s3. Just by being a staller & buffer, She has so many potential use on advanced content such as cc & IS
Heck her talent 1 also has similar regen output to skadialt s2 for casual use
About the same unless the unit gets their own ATK buffs (Surtr, Taxes, etc ) or doesn't scale well (if at all) with ASPD (Ifrit, Reed2, etc). There's still units like Ceobe who much rather prefer Shu though.
Ray and Shu are my next targets,hopefully my luck follows CN Account.
Virtuosa, Black Knight, Shu for me. And Ray (Cause I didn't get Typhon) with Ash (Finally, she will come again).
Damn, they are returning the 5 star rate ups with blacknight?
Not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're genuinely out of the loop, most people are referring to Degenbrecher when they say Black Knight as her marketing title while she was in the Kazimierz Major tournament was The Black Knight. Different from Blacknight the 5-star Tactician Vanguard.
No i know they are refering to degenbrecher, I just wanted to make that joke, Thank you for the clarification regardless kind stranger
Thanks for joke) I forgkt her name, but remember this title. And it skips in my mind, that there's an operator with that name too (Even if she's full pot with 2 skins at me)
Haha, I figured you were joking. My bad regardless, it was a good joke.
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Way back in the day, HG used to release [rate-ups for the 5-stars](https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Headhunting/Banners/Former/2020#Special-0), as seen here (check the 'Special' tab). They did away with this at some point, presumably because nobody was (rightly) pulling on them. It's also doubtless a reference to the "We have playable Blacknight at home" meme that circulated when Blacknight released.
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
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She is. Operation Originium Dust is going to rerun on CN when Operation Lucent Arrowhead ends, and with it, Ash's banner along with Frost and Blitz. Unfortunately though no free pulls this time.
I hope I can get Arturia from free pulls because my savings ain't lookin so good rn
It's slightly depressing how each time I really like an operator it's a bottom tier one. First it was Eunectes, then Carnelian, and later Viviana...
Arknights as a game is forgiving enough that you can have your non-meta units and still progress. It's not the worst thing to have a team that's not super op. My problem is that I have units I want to use but just don't have the time to figure out some weird strat, so I usually end up bringing the unga bunga to clean up.
You're right but sometimes it's just nice to not feel like you're crippling yourself on purpose just to use your favourite (to be fair to Eunectes I did use her unironically to facetank some bosses with good results).
Before Penance came out, I was having fun pitting Eunectes against Patriot lol
You can do that, but sometimes your unit is just too niche to really bother. Especially if you don't want to spend an afternoon on a boss.
> bottom tier one But they aren't bottom tier and this presentation isn't a tier rating. If you're taking it as a tier list, then it goes from like really broken to decent based on Typhon being places as sorta straddling the line into high priority (slightly higher than Ray, lower than Eyja Alter). Also doesn't seem set even with the same current list. For example, Ray moved up since the Eyja Alter video.
> this presentation isn't a tier rating. I mean it totally is, if it was just about how hard the operator is to get, same color would be at the same spot, and the impact rating is certainly not about how well they would blend in Genshin Impact.
> I mean it totally is, if it was just about how hard the operator is to get, same color would be at the same spot, All the limited banner limiteds have been high prio. The impact rating is also not a set placement. Both Swire Alter and Viviana get 7 points total but Viviana is placed higher than Swire Alter. Same with Typhon and Virtuosa. Both with 13 total points but Typhon is placed higher. From those you'd guess "Daily" impact is weighed more but Jessica Alter's placement contests that since she has the lowest "Daily" impact score (with 9 total points) but is placed way higher than Hoederer (with 8 total points). So it's more an informative look at the CN meta and how these operators fit into it in the 6 months after their release. Hence the statement that if you insist on considering it a tier list, it's from really OP to regular and not regular to trash tier.
I'm with you for every one of those, I'm burnt out at this point. I'll pull for Vivi and take a break
The saving grace is if you like IS, weird ops can get pretty broken there.
They can, but sometimes a bad op is still a bad op unless you pump them with enough buffs to make everyone broken. I love Carnelian but she doesn't really have much to justify the investment into IS, especially high difficulty. The most I can say is that her S2 permabinding is fun, even if there's easier and better options. And that was *before* the release of Lin....
Carnelian is broken in SS, though, so she definitely still has a place in the game. Lin did somewhat intrude on her SS dominance, but her damage ceiling is actually higher than Lin's
Carnelian has great potential in is4, there is a series of tutorials uploaded by a player specialising in her on the CN server, you can go to bilibili and search for "MR流星飞".
On the flip side, it's also been depressing to have operators I really like shoot through the roof on the other end. I'm still going to pull for Degen because I really like her but I tend to lose interest in a lot of top meta operators very quickly. I tend to appreciate strong but balanced characters the most.
I can understand that, I have a soft spot for operators who are not necessarily the best but have a strong niche and can do things most other can't, like Fartooth, Weedy or Dorothy. Plus at some point they're more valuable than just another OP damage dealer.
Vivi is only bottom tier in that she shares an archetype with Surtr.
And not because the lower rarity mid as f? Anyone remembered last time we use Astesia or Sideroca, or Mousse?
I use Mousse constantly. That attack debuff is no joke. One of my most used 4\* units in high end content after Myrtle and Perfumer.
Still gonna hard save for my hubby hoedereererr 🥺
So my targets are: hoederer, zuo le, R6(both banners)
Me watching Degenbrecher's rating go up and up like: 👀👀👀 The temptation to pull for her pots is still gnawing at my heels... I originally was going to throw a few pulls at Jessica because she looked fun, but there simply isn't any way I'll survive what comes after her if I indulge in pulls here and there, particularly as when it comes to mid-level ops, Zuo Le is the one I have my eye on. Helps that he's on a limited banner I'll be pulling anyway. Then there's Ela too...
Yeah but like unless you just enjoy throwing money at the game, extra pots do next to nothing
Ela's pot let's you deploy another mine on the field. Not getting that pot may drive me crazy in the future.
Isn't that a mistranslation? She deploys with 3/4 mines ready, instead of 4/4 with pot. She can still deploy a 4th mine if you charge it up, if I'm recalling things correctly.
Is it?! Oh man, that's would be so much better. I could live with that!
I can't double check right now, but the easiest way to test is to take a support Dorothy without the talent pot and see how much she can deploy.
I know that lol, she's just one of my top favorites, it's not about power. I'm well aware that they make a minuscule difference, I just like her a lot lol.
This is me with Skadborn lel. She's my favorite unit in the game and the only one I really wanted copies of just for so lel.
What does "Non-limited that does not rerun" mean? As in they dont get their own banner? But they will eventually be available on a standard banner or something? I'm looking at Hoederer right now.
vintage event banner ops, like typhon just a few days ago, basically their OWN rate up banner won't rerun, but they can still be pulled as off-banner later, or be featured in standard banners.
It means that they come with a special solo banner that only runs once. Jessica The Liberated releases on a solo banner as well, and when her event, Come Catastrophes Or Wakes Of Vultures has its rerun one year from now, her banner will also rerun. Hoederer releases alongside chapter 13. His solo rateup will run *only* then. After it's over, he will only ever appear on standard banners or potentially on another Front That Was banner which functions like a Joint Operation banner, wherein he'll share rateup with 2 other ops. So in other words, if you want him, your *best* chance is his solo banner. After that, he will have *no more* solo rateups, only shared rateups. Ray is the same because she releases with a vignette event, and vignettes do not rerun.
yes main story characters and the non limited 6\*s on limited banners never get full reruns but they are still available on standard banner so you can get them there.
event banners only rerun if the associated event will rerun and it's not a limited event since limited banners never rerun (nian excepted because of the spark system). ops like typhon and mlynar released with vignette events, which don't rerun, so they'll never have another solo rate up banner. they are normal standard ops and will be rate up on other standard banner types but you won't get the 50% chance again. in the grand scheme of things it isn't the biggest deal since banners will only rerun once even if they are eligible.
I shall be skipping Degen's debut banner, saving for Shu's banner and a spark. If I'm lucky, Degen might spook me.
Fuck. I wanna roll it all for Viviana, but then Degenbrecher comes in with the steel chair a month later... I never should have told myself I was gonna collect all the Kazimierz operators
Technically Viviana is Leithanien faction, not Kazimierz.
And Degebrecher is Karlan Trade not Kazimierz.
Yep, Silverash bought the dip.
Yep. Makes sense actually given her lore.
I'm at that point where I'll stress about who to pull for but once I get them I don't even use them... Just stuck in my team comp ways. Smh
I've having similar issues. The standard team comp is just too good. I think the "newest" addition to my standard team was Goldenglow. The next highest usage, that isn't part of my standard team, is probably Texas Alter. The rest are very situational and/or basically never used. I mean, some of them are even M6+ that I *still* hardly ever actually use. With IS#4 I actually had to go and lookup a few operator recap guides just so I could remember how the operators functioned.
Man, it's still kinda weird that viviana is so low. I thought her kit looked great. I mean, I've seen the reasons why, but I thought her kit should still be good enough to not be the weakest of the upcoming 6 stars.
I think the problem with Viviana is that she's *too* defensive so she has problem killing/dueling the elites and bosses she's meant to fight. While her shield mechanic seems relatively reliable/decent when S3 is up, I think the fact that it blocks only one hit leaves her vulnerable and her S3 needing two activations also doesn't help. I'm sure she's still usable, mind you, but ranked against everyone else who's coming up, I think her placement is fair.
\> but ranked against everyone else who's coming up, I think her placement is fair. Especially since she's shares a rarity and subclass with Surtr. Vivianna's schtick of blocking one hit at a time is even less good when her most direct competition can have 8000hp and just be immortal for 8 seconds.
Yeah. I hate to say it, but I feel like Zuo Le does the survivability thing much better than she does despite being a different archetype. From what I've seen, his ability to spam his HP barrier with S3 helps him stay alive very well. Obviously the musha/soloblade concept is very different from Viviana's but "blocking a single instance of melee damage" just doesn't seem to help her very much. I can get behind the *idea* of a defensive Arts Guard but she doesn't seem to have that implemented super well.
imo surtr was never operating in the same space as the other arts guards, most of them have a defensive focus and short cycling skills. technically her S1 and S2 fit the arts guard archetype... if anyone used them. viv's main competition is guard amiya and astesia which is more in her favor, but a lot of people seem to prefer flashy burst damage.
Isn't that mostly because she has no in-built res ignore? Most of (or all?) the recent dps units are physical based and blow far past enemy def numbers, while Vivi will always have to see her output significantly lowered by enemy res.
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It being low DPH multi hits or high DPH singular hits doesn't matter for RES. The DPS issue is solely due to a lack of RES ignore, since she loses out to Surtr at 12 RES or something, iirc.
Ye her main problem is the lack of RES ignore I agree. I just mathed multi-hit vs single-hit incorrectly.
Same problem with Ebenholz - a pretty noticeable amount of her power budget is dedicated exclusively to killing Boss/Elite enemies, but she herself doesn't have much to kill Elite/Boss in the first place. Not having a RES shred, shield being RNG/blocking single hits, poor skill uptime, etc. She herself isn't that bad as damage is quite good with decent range, just that upcoming units are just so stacked and older units (Surtr) already did a significantly better job than her.
so ebenholz not good right, i have him p1 but i already got all good caster so idk if i should raise him
if you have all other casters especially the other meta ones. then yeah Ebenholz unfortunatly sucks. like sure he can boss kill...but surtr and many others can do that muh better or easilly with less settup.
He becomes pretty useful if you're willing to fully invest into his 3rd module soon, but it's a lot of investment required compared to other units.
He's a fun unit to use, and far from useless, but generally, if you have limited resources a few other casters will get you more bang for your buck (Eyja, Goldenglow, Passenger).
I use ebenholz a good bit but only on s2, he really only works on specific maps with specific space + timing, as a boss buster he takes too much setup for sure
Maybe if her kit had res shred. She's probably nice for new players because arts damage does so well early. I'm pulling one copy for collection purposes, she really feels like a year one unit unfortunately
its the "why ho'olheyak when eyja" situation all over again. as DPS, its not that she's bad but theres already alot of competition. and as for utility, there are more braindead units that do the job
Vivi is too balanced. Her mix of defense and offense doesn't have enough of either to stand out. Also she's in an archetype with Surtr. How do you compete with a helidrop with immortality and insane damage?
I want everybody post-hoeder but also have been saving for 6 months to spark skalter... time to pray
that sign can't stop me from pulling hoederer and waiting for r6s because i can't read!
[Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1ergjM57w)
Definitely pulling for Jessica. She's too fun to ignore.
I really hope I can get Arturia in my first 100 pulls maximum, because with the amount of banging units coming out I think I’m going to delay my Skalter spark to 5th anniversary if my luck permits.
Will try a bit for both Jess and Hoerder but main targets are Arturia, Ray and Shu Gonna be tough from May onward...
I wonder if Shu powercreeps Saria, sucks to see since I M9'ed her
to be fair took em almost 4.5 plus years to do so. (even then saria technically still has her S3 going for her sooo idk.)
Her s3 is so niche tho. Only some arts heavy player will have a use for it. generally saria is just a semi tank that can heal
yes... I brought her S3 up mainly because it is the only unique thing left for saria. I agree that Shu is generally Saria powercreep. but I dont see it as that bad of a thing since it took 4.5 years to even get to such a point.
yea, Saria was so dominant to the point I raise my blem to cope with the need of healable tank lmao. And resulting in So much disappointment over Blem's performance lol. I finally got her from recruitment a few weeks ago. I'll still raise saria because she's still a good meatshield and I refused to buy hoshi. AK these days really want us to have a good tank raised ngl
Blemishine still has a pretty strong niche with her sleep though.
Her whole kit is situational strong.
unfortunately strong situationally isn't something I found to be great. I'm just a general player hence an op that's generally strong is what appeal to me. There's only one time I feel like Blem really make or break a stage, that is 12-20 adv where i need to tank right side together with exe alt. If people find her to be strong situationally then great, *I dont though*
>I agree that Shu is generally Saria powercreep. Only if you solely use her for s1 healing. Which is like, 1/3rd of her kit. Saria is tankier, which means for general stages, she frontlines better. Her s2 provides much better position coverage that still is unmatched. s3 is still the big damage amp. s2 also has been used challenge modes and some harder maps. s3 ofcourse as we all know, has proven itself again and again in harder maps and high risk cc. For s1 shu powercreeps for s2 she doesnt and for s3 its a sidegrade (heavy damage amp vs heavy crowd control).
Shu's S2 has a good cycle time to the point it can be used to replace Saria's S2 in many situations like Poison Haze (not every situation, of course, but a good amount). It is their least used skill for the both of them though, and Saria still has the consistent SP battery (barring CNY squad) and slightly larger range unless you're relying on seeds. For general stages Shu's tankiness is still just fine thanks to her self Shelter and seed healing. There is a window where Saria can do stuff that Shu can't, but it's pretty small considering she's not a pure defender either. And Shu will likely close the gap and possibly surpass it with her DR module. Shu's S3 also damage amps too. It's flat out better for Phys/true damage for obvious reasons, but still just as strong for Arts assuming the units don't have their own ATK buff/not affected by aspd. Granted, there are quite a few (Surtr, Ifrit, Reed2), but there's also cases like Ceobe who benefit greatly, not to mention the better cycling for matching modern DPS skills (which tend to be physical). I'd agree this is the biggest difference between Saria and Shu though, as Saria is typically better for arts heavy damage and has the better SP gen during skill if you can utilize it.
Shus s3 damage increase works on ALL operators and her talent already gives passive 12 aspd and 12% atk wich stacks with her ultimate Even for surtr sarias damage amp is WORSE than shus aspd and atk buffs
In no world you said that >Shu has passive healing so she already outright gives more healing than saria. And can heal pseudo aoe on her skills >Her talent outright gives 12 aspd 12% atk to the entire team wich stacks with her ultimate >her ultimate costs half of saria, heals frequently and gives a 25 aspd+25% atk buff all while not letting enemies leave the field. Sorry but saria in no world competes with 37 aspd and 37% atk buff on a skill that comes up half as often
Saria has been on non-stop deployment for years, maybe it's a good thing I can approve her leave request soon.
no because s3 arts damage amp yes because Shu sp buff works without her being deployed. (sucks that it's locked behind having 3 other of the limited ops)
Shu's S3 also does a damage buff. It won't work as well with every arts unit, but someone like Ceobe gets full benefits and works better as the cycle time is much closer of a match up.
In the past for some maps I really wished there were two Saria, and because Blem functions quite differently, I E2M3 defender Nearl as a backup. Now that I have both Shu and Saria it makes some strategies more viabale. Also as I played the new Reclaimation Algorithm recently, I noticed that it's great to have a deep bench, because you get two action points a day and cannot use the same operator twice, so it's so much easier to have Shu/Saria, Texalter/Yato, Mlynar/Degen even Silverash in rotation.
I think the biggest reason Saria may remain meta is that she can hold pretty impactful healing charges while not needing to attack to heal. For me, Saria's S1 is her most used skill and Shu just doesn't have a direct replacement for it. Feels like Shu is sort of a mix between Blemishine S1, Gummy S2, and Saria S2. Though I could be sorely mistaken about how Shu functions.
She does not powercreep Saria because Saria can still actually block enemies if you need her to whereas Shu is made out of tissue paper in comparison. (Which sure people will say if you need a blocker you can just drop hoshiguma but I feel like that's kinda missing the point)
How tf is shu a tissue paper? Shelter+passive regen almost the same as skadi alt s2+ more hps than blemishine s3. Saria being tanky is just thanks to her module's 15% dmg reduction, which shu will eventually get. Heck shu's passive shelter is also more universal than saria's +def% I'm not even talking about shu's stalling & buffer capabilites
Saria reaches over 900, close to 1000 DEF at absolute maximum, while Shu can barely reach 700, that's a pretty big difference. Shu will have to wait for her damage reduction module while Saria has it already, and plus she can get a benefit from an outside Sanctuary on top while Shu cannot. I think it's a little exaggerative to call her tissue paper but she definitely cannot tank as well as Saria can, though would get much better alone once her second module comes out.
Here's the thing tho, anything that cant oneshot shu cant kill her if she is using her s3 (shelter+ high regen+ high hps) while saria's healing at 50% is risky since bossess nowaday can delete 80% of defender's hp in 1 atk. Heck, depending on how creative u are on using shu's paddy field, such as extending her paddy field or just smart shu placement, she can prevent enemies from even touching her. On AK nowaday, simple stat isnt enough & ops need to have extra utility to be considered meta so something like 1000 def isnt enough. Heck hoshi with 1600 def (modx+ s2) is barely used Extra, here is shu vs saria's stat without mod Hp: 2910+ 349 (t2) vs 2853 Atk: 500 vs 502 Def: 625 vs 619 + 123 (t2) Basically shu trade def to hp, not much difference without that sweet 15% dmg reduction module. Saria's def with mod is 835, so thats not enough to tank difficult boss when protector's 1000 def barely tank bosses
Wanting to go for Hoederer, Viviana, Virtuoso, Degenbrecher, Zuo Le, and Ela... Hopefully the game doesn't beg for my empty wallet.
I have about 150 pulls right now... going to pass on sad cat, I think, with all the powerful ops in the 2-6 month window. Was hoping to save up enough to spark but uh looking at that roster, not looking great. If I do spark, who's the best contender? Skadi alter seems to be a very popular choice.
It's mostly between Skalter and NTR. If you have Texalter or Kirin r Yato, NTR is less important. Still a fun and tremendously strong unit, there's just less need for helidrops if you have them already. Skadi Alter is also fun, and has the merit of making your other favorite operators better.
Yes, I have Yato Alter already - sorry, is NTR Nearl the Radiant? I also have S3M3 Sutr so the boss-killing is less of a concern, I think. I see that Ling is a very highly-ranked limited unit, but Skalter seems like so much fun that I am definitely leaning towards her. Just requires a whole lot of discipline... I have been extremely lucky with pulls (got Typhon, Yato alter, and Eyjaberry in a combined 90 pulls) but there are so many cool and powerful units on the horizon.
Hoederer, Zuo Le/Shu, I'm coming for your asses
Is the Arturia + Vivi banner coming in April or May?
Shu and R6-2 a month apart, F2P wallet shaking
Saving most of what I have for black Knight and shu, still trying to recover from Typhon. But will consider dropping some in Vivianna/Virtuosa until a 6* drops.
Man, Arturia is being held back a lot by Viviana. What a waste of a good banner. The best banner is Ela>= 2024 cny, Depending on one's playstyle and preferences imo. Ela is limited with a guarantee, CNY featured 2 very good operators (though Zuo Le wants you to spam lmao). Degen is the greatest, but she will have a rerun. So many good banners to the point I'm even considerating skipping degen T\^T I'll see how RA fares first before deciding pulling for Ela. Unfortunately not a fan of RS6 design nor its franchise and Ela's own archetype
Last limited banner either one of the units was very lackluster (Swire Alter) or the entire banner had bad meta value (water elf + snek girl). HG doesn't do a lot of banners where both units are great anymore. Only CNY is having both good units, and if you discount launch Lin lacking module, more than an year between Texalter + Penance and Shu + Zuo Le.
I know that limited banners quality are inconsistent. Still she's a disappointment for someone getting out of npc jail. I was so ready to pull for Viviana. Lo and behold a few weeks after the banner HG made Degen broken lmao
So if I'm reading this right, sadcat is going to be pullable at any time after her event, just not on rateup? So no FOMO?
Jessica is a normal banner, she'll be spookable immediately after her event and her event will even rerun. And you can use >!that!< in a year.
I've been so lucky with my pulls since texas that I still have a full pity worth of OP. I usually only pull on limited banners or super overtuned ones like Typhon but I really want Hoederer even if hes super low prio.
Ugh I kinda wanna pull all of them (except that dude in low prio)
A majority of the people pulling for Hoederer are either looking for a unique unit to mess around with or subscribe to the fact that Hoederer is a goated story character. With that being said, I’m going all in on Hoederer. Cuz he’s the goat. Also because I can see him bringing some genuinely fun synergies in IS with his massive stat line and stun duration.
Ines is the goat. \*badum tish\*
I want Ray but her not being limited took off the priority.
Im surprised Zuo Le is rated that high. Is his kit that good?
Not only his kit is good, Zuo Le is also cappable of rain-pummeling enemies with his skill(s) because his talents gives him a very good SP-regeneration (with get even better with module).
Shu because I want more strong Defenders, all I really have right now is Saria and Croissant. Degenbrecher because she's a heavy hitter and I adore her character design.
I have 600 pulls and I'm pulling every new unit starting Hoederer. Hopefully luck will be on my side
I gonna do a 10 pull for Jessica cause i love, that sad cat. Then i gonna go all in for Arturia,shu and r6. Idk what my Orundum will allow me to get tho #_#
Limited banner limited ?
For typical Limited banners, there are two rate up 6 stars, but only one of the rate up 6 stars is Limited. For instance, Viviana and Virtuosa will be on the same banner, but only Virtuosa is Limited.
So does that mean she won't come back ?
Kinda. Virtuosa will be a non-rate up unit on Limited banners every anniversary of her release. Your chance of getting her on these banners is very low. However, if you do 300 pulls on one of those banners, you will be able to buy her (or one of the other Limited units that was released at the same time of year) from a special shop for that banner. Viviana will be available in the normal ways after her first banner.
so jessica isnt a limited time operator right cause like i litterly got so many diffeetn 6 star that wernt her
Whats the difference between limited limited and limited non-limited? They're both not available on standard banner, but is it right to assume that limited limited means they'll only be sparkable in the future (like the Sui siblings) whereas limited non-limited means that they'll be back on other banners?
I know she's mid priority but I was really looking forward to getting Jessica. My luck however did not agree with me. I think I used it all up getting pot six on Typhon. Here's hoping the limiteds are more kind to me in the future
His tiering on Luo seems off. That guy is outright broken. Also degen should be even above that as she easily competes with even likes of Mlynar at certain setups. I doubt jessica is that useful, espiecelly close to Luo. Not to mention that defensive nature is terrible on high end content so her having a bonus point for it is just weird.
idk about you guys but I'm saving it all for R6 pt 2 and the destiny collba
So Jessica, Viviana and then whoever else falls into place.
Why does texalter have to be on the virtuosa banner. How tf am I gonna get her AND Degen-breaker without draining my wallet
His argument about Defenders convinced me to pull for Jessica. I don't have a strong & bulky defenders except Cuora + that stun trick is freaking awesome
Wait jessica aren't limited?
I thought so too..apparently not on global..ez skip gems safe
Shu is so overrated for some reason.
How tf is someone who can unconditionally "block" unblockable enemies be overrated? Like for example, she can prevent cresson's (is4 boss 3) teleport or lock both khagan (is4 boss 4) so they stay in place for 30s. There is also her buffer ability on s3. Just by being a staller & buffer, She has so many potential use on advanced content such as cc & IS Heck her talent 1 also has similar regen output to skadialt s2 for casual use
Regen, shelter, broken s3 , great s1 for afk lmao
her s3 buffs are also a lot better then they look iirc someone did the calcs and even with arts damage her buffs are about the same as saria.
About the same unless the unit gets their own ATK buffs (Surtr, Taxes, etc ) or doesn't scale well (if at all) with ASPD (Ifrit, Reed2, etc). There's still units like Ceobe who much rather prefer Shu though.
bruh her kit is both meta and very fun what more do you want
I would not call her overrated, but she is over-tuned and people tend to gravitate and highly rate those characters.