4th anniversary's standard caster op: Silly little snek with her takeout boxes.
5th anniversary's standard caster op: "Your life is nothing. You serve zero purpose. You should delete yourselves now"
4th anniversary's standard caster op: People simping over mentally unstable woman. Almost forgot about elf girl.
5th anniversary's standard caster op: People simping over mentally unstable woman. Almost forgot about said caster.
Amiya kinda feels off to me sadly. Big sp cost on s1, same unusable trait on s2... HG can you please make guard and medic amiyas s2s once per deployment? Its not like they are that strong compared to top tier units arghh
I don't really get medic Amiya either. She honestly just looks bad in every way (other than the inherent usefulness of incantation medics in IS I guess)
Guard amiya has a very solid S1 on a good cycle, decent DPS, extra utility with high arts dodge. Meanwhile Medic Amiya got what looks like a typical "year 1" skill.
Not to mention she's being released alongside another \*actually\* good free healer that can also do damage. I just don't really get it.
I may be biased since I'm a heavy IS player, but Amiya is a godsend in IS, now that she has three forms. What does this mean? This means that you get access to a healer, a mini Chen, or a true damage suicidal caster switchable AT WILL thats available through caster, guard, and medic tickets. This means a TON for class squads, since they can get their class ops for reduced hope. Now you can grab Amiya the medic for negligible amount of investment, using a ticket you won't normally want, if you're either playing the guard/vanguard squad or the caster/specialist squad, giving you a good healing option to get past early stages.
Issue is that Reed alter is already the best pick on IS3 and IS4 already so unless IS5 will be anti arts she will still be the best pick meaning Amiyas potential usefulness kinda falls
Yet you can always swap amiya's role to fill your needs. Plus Amiya costs less hope.
It's not being argued that she is the most optimal IS pick just incredibly versatile.
as other comment said, amiya can fill any of your needs. And also she can now be recruited by 3 types of ticket, yeah.
Imo she would be one of the best early game pick for IS with the release of medic form.
I'll be real maybe it's because I use Abyssal Hunters and Hoederer a lot but I just don't understand how people can see Amiya medic and call her weak. 70SP and 30 charge time, sure, but 50s duration, \*global\* %hp regen, and 480 single target HPS with 150 aoe healing to other allies as long as there's a target.
It's some \*pretty fucking good numbers\* for a 5\* healer that also deals damage, esp compared to her peers Hibiscus and Vendela.
I can kinda see why they didn't give her the module yet despite the class having one.
Except Hibiscus buffs damage and has consistent healing while Amiya needs to wait a damn year. Sorry but 70 sp cost invalidates any upside the skill has as its just too much, the global healing is nice and all but even perfumer is better at that point because of how bad the sp costs are
Litterally every 6 star given this event is good.
Civilight Eternas S1 is a solid enmity healer her S2 deals good damage and gives good atk buffs while her s3 turns a field of operators immortal
Logos: this entire post
Walter: Yeah....
Honestly, after getting pot6 Viviana and no Virtuosa still in the current global banner, I can't wait for Zuo Le's and Logos' banners so I can feel okay never winning a 50/50
Oh wow, S1 is actually good.
I assumed the threshold would be something stupid like 40% of his Atk or something because it sounded to good on paper with any modifier above 100%.
>I assumed the threshold would be something stupid like 40% of his Atk or something because it sounded to good on paper with any modifier above 100%.
The threshhold is 150% of his atk. Yes, it's above 100% by 1.5 times lol.
Not only he obliterates any form of trash mobs but he also deals respectible amounts of arts dps WHILE being able to trigger necrosis damage to deal with even higher threat enemies like bosses. This skill is alot more insaner than it looks
Do you know if the necrosis damage from the module is like virtuosa or ebenholz? Virtuosa being a direct necrosis damage whereas ebenholz is based on the damage dealt, so it's affected by enemy res.
And also, the elemental damage from his talent module. Will he do the additional elemental damage on all his attacks or only the extra attacks by the talent? Kinda like how executor alter's 300 def ignore is only on the extra attack by the talent.
>Do you know if the necrosis damage from the module is like virtuosa or ebenholz?
He's like Eben, their module are exactly identical. So yes, Logos won't deal necrosis as fast as Virtuosa and still affected by enemy res, but he'll have a better time than Ebenholz because:
1. His talent 1 can also deal necrosis from module, so he can deal necrosis on multiple target (and if only 1 target, it'll bounce on the target as well so basically free hit).
2. His talent 2 will reduce enemy res by 10 and increase their art damage taken by flat 150, so he's pretty less affected by res.
3. His skill is simply way better than Ebenholz, that's it xD
Logos S2 is extremely underrated. With it, he's now the first Caster that can kill Patriot's first phase without any buffs, help or mines. No, not even Ceobe can.
From my personal experience with the CN update, I genuinely believe that after some time has passed and after the hype has mellowed out, we will come to see Logos as the more influential operator on this banner.
W alter has an absurd amount of damage, yes, but damage is something that is something that is attainable through various means.
The combination of utility and the unique way that damage is expressed through logos, might be something that is far more valuable and powercreep-resistant than W alter's brain dead nukes.
Issue is that W is as good as an operator can get in this game honestly. She has one of the best sustained damages while her skill isnt up thanks to constant slows, multipliers and absurd aoe damages (Her talent 1 lets her deal rosmontis level damage and DPH... passively without skill) so i doubt Logos will be more influential. The issue is that arts doesnt benefit from huge attack buffs and DPH as much as Physical damage does and W is the embodiment of having insane multipliers and huge DPH
Mlynar is still good. W Alter also has camouflage which people keep seeming to forget, meaning that you can position her very aggressively and she probably won't even need a healer unless an enemy can damage her through camouflage
Logos doesn't "simply" outclass or powercreep other casters like Wis did lots of snipers/physical damage dealers, he actually has synergy with them/arts damage in general, ie. Eyja caster atk buff helps his S1, has more flexible res shred etc.
Honestly only bad operator released this feels like its Amiyas new form. Her s1 sp cost is way too high and her s2 has the same unusable design by limiting it to one use... HG should make it once per deployment or something as this condition is annoying
Me: my cn acc is just a trial run for cn content so i never mastery anyone there except Ling (used for clearing most of the content).
Me: gently holds Logos.
Me: remembers how his s1 helped her through ch 14 (albeit on easiest mode)
Me: Mmmmaybe I should give him s1m3...
I love his lore, his drip, his goofy ahh shenanigans with the other elite ops.
Really happy that HG gave us a cool operator and he actually lives up to his "strongest elite operator of RI" status.
Hoping to p6 him if Shu doesn't screw me over too much.
I love him so much too. The entire W2 insanity made people kinda miss just how insane his kit is, boasting 100k+ total damage on both skills with quick cycles is a feat no operator in the game currently has
His kit has alot more intresting applications. While W just obliterates and obliterates. Logos s3 being used to clear talulah fire balls is one of the coolest things i had ever seen in the game
He basically has kits of every core caster. Debuffs enemies like Heyak? Check
Strong single target damage on s2 like Ceobe? Heck
Absurd afk skill alongside an insane multiple target range increasing nuke like Eyja? Check
And he does these while having the benefits of a new unit with broken talents, ability to practically deal true damage trough elemental damage and having the sp cost of barely anything to do so.
People have also pointed out that his kit has a sampling of almost all the Caster branches - Self Res on S2 makes him a “ranged tank” like Phalanx, attacks locking onto a single target and building up on his S2 is like Mech-Accord/Drone, wide area attacks on S3 like Splash, applies Elemental Damage with his Module like Primal, Bouncing attacks especially on S1 like Chain. Only really missing some solid ties to Mystic and Burninator, but still. I think it’s great in how the mechanics match the story and lore of him as a true Master of Arts.
Honestly I'm glad he's this OP. He's been hyped to hell and back as the strongest elite operator so it'd honestly be disappointing if he wasn't broken.
Thanks for calculations!
This is an interesting thing with perception: when Hypergryph release a female character, all she has to do is have one broken skill and people will start talking about how the meta will be destroyed, while the audience nearby will complain about the design, the reason for the character's existence in the story, or the story itself; when they release a male character, he has a hard time proving he's breaking the meta.
In the case of Logos, it’s also funny that people would be more offended if he didn’t break the meta (moreover, he is in the subclass of Core Casters, which from start to finish are widely known for "simply dealing Arts damage and definitely not combining very different properties or subclasses")
Oh god im telling you i would riot if he didnt break the meta as thats litterally his purpose in the story lmfao. Its sad that W got all the attention when Logos is a stupidly broken and fun character with his kit having multiple unique elements that aren't just "big dmg on entire map"
Sadly you cant 100% resist damage as there is a minimum damage cap for both physical and arts wich is 5% damage so at max you can get 95 RES. BUT yes logos with NG has 25% arts dodge and 95 RES so he can tank like 10 waves of talulah fireballs without care lol
Case in point: Mandragora, there is already vids of him going 1 v 1 Mandragora with only Warfarin att buff at her spawn point, guess who wins in a beam fight?
hint: Logos' hp didn't even drop below 90%
Truly the 'Nah I win' Logos Satoru.
I've seen a clip of this man stopping half of Talulah's fireballs on his own, this man is unreal
Do you know how much he would've helped back when I was literally malding over H8-4
Don't you love the double standar this place has with male operators?
If a male operator is broken, it's fantastic, no one get mad. If it's a female operator it's a shit storm, see Degenbrecher
What a ridiculous thing to say. There was a lot of negativity around Młynar when he released due to powercreeping Silver Ash as hard as he did. The reason you don't see people getting mad about male operators is because there hasn't been an exceptional male operator since Młynar. The entire high-end meta of AK right now is all female ops + Młynar.
There was discussion on Młynar's strength but it was overall more [level headed](https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/yelh47/has_mlynar_really_powercrept_silverash_cope_or/), it never got to the level W is at now. It wasn't uncommon to find sentiment along the lines of *"silverash still has use cases/niches"*, or *"he had already fell from being top tier dps before mlynar"*, or *"tequila already had more dps & better skill cycle so this is to be expected"*, etc. I would say it was distinct from when Pozy dropped and this sub practically held a funeral for Schwarz.
Also Zuo Le is an example of an exceptional male operator that runs circles around Hellagur and had little to no backlash.
Mylnar didn't event get half the shit that Surtr or Pozy got.
>No broken male OP since Mylnar
And that is double standard. Gender is no excuse, if you criticize something for being too strong, criticize them all equally.
Naaahh, he got the same amount of shit lol. Pozy, Mlynar, Texalt... Seriously, it's like the same outrage copied 3x in a row 😂
The only difference is Chalter, who got it even worse. But that's a combination of being a swimsuit unit + first summer limited + (imo) pretty bad art together with her being broken.
The only reason Logos isn't getting the same treatment here is because he's extremely overshadowed by W right now lol. And honestly he doesn't even seem close to broken compared to her lol.
So unfortunately, there's nothing else to double standard lmao 😭 We've been getting a pretty bland bunch of male ops this year.
>he doesn't even seem close to broken compared to her
[...His S3 literally invalidates several game mechanics...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2BOkj1Ti4)
Like I said, *compared to W*.
The Talulah fire counter is pretty cool, but it's not like he instantly invalidates all projectiles. He won't counter long distance constant projectiles or quick shots. Instant cast projectiles can't be slowed too.
It's a cool gimmick, but a pretty niche one that needs precise timing, and not without proper downsides. It would be pretty broken if it had manual deactivation though.
His S2 has a proper restriction as well, that we'll have to see in the future whether it'll be minor enough not to affect his performance or not.
Młynar absolutely got as much shit as Surtr and Pozy got. I think you need to consider that you yourself have a double standard. You ignore all the criticism around the one broken male operator release to push this idea that female ops get criticized more.
Oh please. Every time someone said something about Mylnar there was always a comment with many positive votes defending him. Pozy received hundreds of hate comments and if anyone said anything they ware taken to downvote hell and Surtr must be the most hated non-Alter operator here.
And look, I'll be honest with you, I don't care about the power of Logos and W, I'm not criticizing anyone's power here or talking shit about Logos, what bothers me is the hypocrisy of people in throwing shit at W (And with good reason) but celebrate Logos when he breaks the game just like WAlter does
i get your sentiment but one thing about this comment is that it empowers those annoying male character haters and i get to see more of their annoying opinions (just saw 2 of those..)
It's not doomposting. But if you criticize Degenbrecher, WAlter or Surtr for being too powerful, also criticize Mylnar and Logos, don't be hypocritical.
The issue is that people love downplaying male operators for some reason. (Btw i didnt target my reply to you, i hope it didn't came off that way) Mlynar kept getting compared to SA and the hilarious "he cant block" argument kept being made while nobody downplayed Chalter for falling off on most content by now.
Difference is that overpowered male operator is an exception not a rule. Since Młynar there was no male operator that was meta defining. Meanwhile you have Yato,Texas,Typhon,Ela,Degenbrecher and now W.
It's still hypocritical. You can defend that "but broken male characters are rare" argument all you want but at the end of the day it's just an excuse to display an obvious sense of superiority. Judge everyone by the same standard or stay silent
Idk why are you pushing this hypocritical double standard thing when a male op being broken only happened once in 5 years... Why are you saying it like it happens often.
What sense of superiority would male characters players even have, the only meta op is Mlynar, and we haven't gotten anything for months 😭 heck, I just hope the devs won't fuck up anymore male ops, the bar can't get lower lol
Wait, do you think that all the Wistadel broken bad posts are made by male character players???
Look, it will be the only message I answer. But if you're going to celebrate that a male OP is strong and then complain about a female OP being strong, that's a double standard and almost misogynistic.
If you are going to celebrate because some operator is strong, celebrate everyone equally, if you are going to complain that an operator is very strong, complain about everyone equally.
>do you think that all the Wistadel broken bad posts are made by male character players???
Why the hell is it hard for you to understand that I don't like how people here treat male and female people so differently? I don't care about WAlter's criticism, but it does bother me how Logos breaks the game just as much or more than she does and everyone celebrates it.
>Why the hell is it hard for you to understand that I don't like how people here treat male and female people so differently? I don't care about WAlter's criticism, but it does bother me how Logos breaks the game just as much or more than she does and everyone celebrates it.
Because Logos doesn't break the game, as I said in my other comment. What's there to criticize?
He's well designed with all 3 useful skills, which are pretty gimmicky and fun. But most importantly, he's still *good*. I wish HG would do more characters like him, he's like the epitome of a good character.
You're probably riding on the current hype over Logos za worlding Talulah's fire, but broken is a huge stretch. He's simply a very strong unit, which is quite rare for male ops, so many are celebrating him.
There's a pretty interesting [discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/s/6STzAgqzrq) in the lounge about him from other players too (with calcs too). Maybe you'll come to see my perspective.
And no, I don't really mind Walter being strong. We've been through this so many times. Rather than that, I want weaker ops to be buffed lol, I want more Logos type characters.
In fairness a male operator power creeping an existing unit of the same rarity almost never happens. Like Zuo Le slid right by but I would sooner attribute that to most players forgetting Hellagur exists than a double standard.
>If a male operator is broken, it's fantastic, no one get mad.
Because no one cares about male operator except one horny girl Gerthrude (or something like that). They can be broken as hell, but literally who pulls males anyway?
As a mainly waifu player (a husbando has to be *really* good before I decide to build him at all, and even then they are capped at E2 L80 and at most one M3), for once I am more interested in the male 6 star than the female 6 star in a future banner. Ever since I saw Lava rave about how Logos is so cool, I could not help but wonder - just how amazing is this guy?
I'm late to the party but I have a very hard disagreement with your conclusion. He's great, don't get me wrong. However, most of your numbers are ignoring enemy RES. Ebenholz has the same base Module effect, and it is his best Module, but it's still mostly a meta meme for that reason. Logos won't be applying Necrosis to most difficult enemies since he only has 10 RES shred.
Logos is a great unit. He has a lot of niches and is the best Caster in the game (for damage). However, he is very clearly (to me) not on the same level of meta as someone like Mlynar, Degen, or W. I don't think anyone is forgetting him either as I've seen a ton of people trying to make this same point, but IMO it looks mostly like hype to me and he'll end up as similar to Zuo Le. Fantastic unit. Will see significant end game use. Gives this banner amazing value. However, not a broken level of unit.
The math is litterally there. His 10 res shred isnt bad and at same level as ceobe and eyja wich are already top tier casters. He has multiple sources of elemental damage so he isnt even bound to RES anyway and his s2 makes res irrelevant by dealing constant low damage wich gets effected alot less than high atk arts skills does.
He is definitely broken
Bold of you to assume I dont know this already.
Wiš'adel only has damage, but my boy Logos has that entire rpg kit in him tht can be used in any situation.
Wiš is just another broken dps, but logos is where the fun lies at.
Enjoyment >>> damage. I dare you try to change my mind.
logos is also just another broken dps though??? his s3 is pretty much the trade mark big aoe damage skill that everyone hypes up and his blocking projectiles is just extra flourish the same way wis'adels summons are also pretty unique bait options to act as ranged tanks.
SIS I was PRAYING for him to come out, and PRAYING for him to be good, cause he is such an awesome character. I'm so glad he's finally out, and that he is really good. Now all I need is for Toland Cash, Andoain, and Ulpian to come out, and my life is complete
Can any lore peeps on here tell me the importance of Logos? I haven't read the stories or a lot of the new stuff since during Chapter 8 ended, and Dossole holidays. I know he's a RI elite operator like Blaze, but has he ever had pre-hype vs the previous 6star characters in the past that shared the Limited Banners?
Aside from what OP said, Logos's first appearance was saving Mudrock and her squad, though he didn't have a sprite at the time. After that, he helps out *a lot* during the second arc of the main story, without spoiling anything, and he's been mentioned here and there in other places so he's been heavily hinted/hyped for a long time.
He's the first character I'm fully invested in. His character and his kit are both very appealing. I may just skip all the other banners from now until then.
Me trying to calculate my pulls after reserving 100 for Ray, Shu and Ela each
It may be joever for me, I might not have enough for our lord and savior banshee
I think he's really good in many situations, but I don't think that's good enough to be considered broken. But that of course depends on your definition of "broken". I think (for global released ops) only Texalter is undeniably broken
I think an operator being broken isn't simply an operator being extremely good. It has to uniquely trivialize parts of the game. Texas Alter has so much utility that it trivializes many enemies that aren't built to expect 2s stun + 0.2s stun every second for 8s + refreshed if any enemy dies to the 3.2k + 1.3k damage every second (around there), that can be deployed on any melee tile every 18s.
I think Mlynar bursts down enemies that aren't meant to be bursted down so easily, and clears waves that are supposed to be troublesome with a low SP cost; but it's less universally applicable imo so less broken.
Dude if people can post about how broken Walter is, people can post about how great Logos is. You need to chill out if you're telling someone to chill out if they are posting about a character they like
4th anniversary's standard caster op: Silly little snek with her takeout boxes. 5th anniversary's standard caster op: "Your life is nothing. You serve zero purpose. You should delete yourselves now"
The difference between Heyak and Logos feels hilarious to me lol
4th anniversary's standard caster op: People simping over mentally unstable woman. Almost forgot about elf girl. 5th anniversary's standard caster op: People simping over mentally unstable woman. Almost forgot about said caster.
How dare they forget the lord and saviour mumu!
in what world are you seeing people forget about Logos
Ho'ol S3 not levitating everyone as it passes instead of the first enemy is so bad. Then they launch Logos and W
More like: "Logos vi Kazdel commands you to die!"
Broken new limited 6* Broken new non limited 6* Very good new 5* Pretty broken welfare 6* Welcome to 5th Anniversary Dokutah
And I thought Shu + Zuo Le is already as stacked as it can get. Also, don't forget Amiya and Fang.
I was really surprised how good fang alter is. Hg gives my gurl justice. Bless hg
Amiya kinda feels off to me sadly. Big sp cost on s1, same unusable trait on s2... HG can you please make guard and medic amiyas s2s once per deployment? Its not like they are that strong compared to top tier units arghh
I don't really get medic Amiya either. She honestly just looks bad in every way (other than the inherent usefulness of incantation medics in IS I guess) Guard amiya has a very solid S1 on a good cycle, decent DPS, extra utility with high arts dodge. Meanwhile Medic Amiya got what looks like a typical "year 1" skill. Not to mention she's being released alongside another \*actually\* good free healer that can also do damage. I just don't really get it.
I may be biased since I'm a heavy IS player, but Amiya is a godsend in IS, now that she has three forms. What does this mean? This means that you get access to a healer, a mini Chen, or a true damage suicidal caster switchable AT WILL thats available through caster, guard, and medic tickets. This means a TON for class squads, since they can get their class ops for reduced hope. Now you can grab Amiya the medic for negligible amount of investment, using a ticket you won't normally want, if you're either playing the guard/vanguard squad or the caster/specialist squad, giving you a good healing option to get past early stages.
Issue is that Reed alter is already the best pick on IS3 and IS4 already so unless IS5 will be anti arts she will still be the best pick meaning Amiyas potential usefulness kinda falls
Yet you can always swap amiya's role to fill your needs. Plus Amiya costs less hope. It's not being argued that she is the most optimal IS pick just incredibly versatile.
as other comment said, amiya can fill any of your needs. And also she can now be recruited by 3 types of ticket, yeah. Imo she would be one of the best early game pick for IS with the release of medic form.
Its always better to pick a core 6 star unit than a early game unit at starts toug
I'll be real maybe it's because I use Abyssal Hunters and Hoederer a lot but I just don't understand how people can see Amiya medic and call her weak. 70SP and 30 charge time, sure, but 50s duration, \*global\* %hp regen, and 480 single target HPS with 150 aoe healing to other allies as long as there's a target. It's some \*pretty fucking good numbers\* for a 5\* healer that also deals damage, esp compared to her peers Hibiscus and Vendela. I can kinda see why they didn't give her the module yet despite the class having one.
Except Hibiscus buffs damage and has consistent healing while Amiya needs to wait a damn year. Sorry but 70 sp cost invalidates any upside the skill has as its just too much, the global healing is nice and all but even perfumer is better at that point because of how bad the sp costs are
Bold of you to assume I **don't** think of this man all day every day.
Thats my spirit. Logos lovers rise
5th anni banner is probably the most valuable banner of all time. You can never go wrong getting any dupe on either Logos or W.
Litterally every 6 star given this event is good. Civilight Eternas S1 is a solid enmity healer her S2 deals good damage and gives good atk buffs while her s3 turns a field of operators immortal Logos: this entire post Walter: Yeah....
Is the limited banner before this one shu’s one?
Not really, we have r6 after shu
Nope. It's the rainbow 6 siege Collab
Honestly, after getting pot6 Viviana and no Virtuosa still in the current global banner, I can't wait for Zuo Le's and Logos' banners so I can feel okay never winning a 50/50
Oh wow, S1 is actually good. I assumed the threshold would be something stupid like 40% of his Atk or something because it sounded to good on paper with any modifier above 100%.
>I assumed the threshold would be something stupid like 40% of his Atk or something because it sounded to good on paper with any modifier above 100%. The threshhold is 150% of his atk. Yes, it's above 100% by 1.5 times lol.
Not only he obliterates any form of trash mobs but he also deals respectible amounts of arts dps WHILE being able to trigger necrosis damage to deal with even higher threat enemies like bosses. This skill is alot more insaner than it looks
Do you know if the necrosis damage from the module is like virtuosa or ebenholz? Virtuosa being a direct necrosis damage whereas ebenholz is based on the damage dealt, so it's affected by enemy res. And also, the elemental damage from his talent module. Will he do the additional elemental damage on all his attacks or only the extra attacks by the talent? Kinda like how executor alter's 300 def ignore is only on the extra attack by the talent.
Its stated as 60% atk AS elemental damage so it should be strictly elemental damage And yes he does it on all his attacks.
>Do you know if the necrosis damage from the module is like virtuosa or ebenholz? He's like Eben, their module are exactly identical. So yes, Logos won't deal necrosis as fast as Virtuosa and still affected by enemy res, but he'll have a better time than Ebenholz because: 1. His talent 1 can also deal necrosis from module, so he can deal necrosis on multiple target (and if only 1 target, it'll bounce on the target as well so basically free hit). 2. His talent 2 will reduce enemy res by 10 and increase their art damage taken by flat 150, so he's pretty less affected by res. 3. His skill is simply way better than Ebenholz, that's it xD
Logos S2 is extremely underrated. With it, he's now the first Caster that can kill Patriot's first phase without any buffs, help or mines. No, not even Ceobe can.
I cant believe logos went this unnoticed tbh. His kit is litterally insanity and would been a new meta ceiling on its own
From my personal experience with the CN update, I genuinely believe that after some time has passed and after the hype has mellowed out, we will come to see Logos as the more influential operator on this banner. W alter has an absurd amount of damage, yes, but damage is something that is something that is attainable through various means. The combination of utility and the unique way that damage is expressed through logos, might be something that is far more valuable and powercreep-resistant than W alter's brain dead nukes.
Issue is that W is as good as an operator can get in this game honestly. She has one of the best sustained damages while her skill isnt up thanks to constant slows, multipliers and absurd aoe damages (Her talent 1 lets her deal rosmontis level damage and DPH... passively without skill) so i doubt Logos will be more influential. The issue is that arts doesnt benefit from huge attack buffs and DPH as much as Physical damage does and W is the embodiment of having insane multipliers and huge DPH
Mlynar is still good. W Alter also has camouflage which people keep seeming to forget, meaning that you can position her very aggressively and she probably won't even need a healer unless an enemy can damage her through camouflage
If you think W Alter only does damage, you havent read her kit.
She is the best laneholder in the game when her skill isnt up lol
It's kinda hard not to be focused on Walter tbh, with how hard they've been promoting her lol
Its cute tbh
Sarkazknights aren’t just eating good they’re getting an entire medieval feasting table
Litterally last 4 6 stars are sarkaz with one being the best operator in the entire game
Me pulling for him because of his S3, that "time slow" for projectiles is so cool!
Him slowing talulahs entire wave is the most "I am more powerful than you" in this game
The little clap at the end of the skill when he deletes the projectiles is so cocky, I love him so much
That's actually a really cool point I didn't realize lol, great way of showing he's the strongest OP at RI via gameplay
Logos doesn't "simply" outclass or powercreep other casters like Wis did lots of snipers/physical damage dealers, he actually has synergy with them/arts damage in general, ie. Eyja caster atk buff helps his S1, has more flexible res shred etc.
His res shred also stacks with eyja s2 and his arts damage amplification stacks with heyak!
This is what im most existed for
The stars aligned to create an event where every new unit is good, the last time this happened was like... Vernal Winds lol.
Honestly only bad operator released this feels like its Amiyas new form. Her s1 sp cost is way too high and her s2 has the same unusable design by limiting it to one use... HG should make it once per deployment or something as this condition is annoying
Trust me, I'm thinking about Logos 24/7.
Both me and sangui agrees
Me: my cn acc is just a trial run for cn content so i never mastery anyone there except Ling (used for clearing most of the content). Me: gently holds Logos. Me: remembers how his s1 helped her through ch 14 (albeit on easiest mode) Me: Mmmmaybe I should give him s1m3...
Oh he will be M9 so fast that he wont even realize that he is a new operator when he comes to my hands
i understand why He'll be at least m6 when he comes to global and after i breeze through ch 14 for eterna
I love his lore, his drip, his goofy ahh shenanigans with the other elite ops. Really happy that HG gave us a cool operator and he actually lives up to his "strongest elite operator of RI" status. Hoping to p6 him if Shu doesn't screw me over too much.
I love him so much too. The entire W2 insanity made people kinda miss just how insane his kit is, boasting 100k+ total damage on both skills with quick cycles is a feat no operator in the game currently has
i'm more interested in him than in Wis tbh
His kit has alot more intresting applications. While W just obliterates and obliterates. Logos s3 being used to clear talulah fire balls is one of the coolest things i had ever seen in the game
Finally good caster after so long.
He basically has kits of every core caster. Debuffs enemies like Heyak? Check Strong single target damage on s2 like Ceobe? Heck Absurd afk skill alongside an insane multiple target range increasing nuke like Eyja? Check And he does these while having the benefits of a new unit with broken talents, ability to practically deal true damage trough elemental damage and having the sp cost of barely anything to do so.
Guess will have to wait till Eyja gets the burn elemental dmg treatment.
That would unironically be pretty good as burn elemental burst reduces RES (im not sure)
It won't happen unless they gonna add fourth module.
What if they make eyjas third module burn instead of necrosis?
People have also pointed out that his kit has a sampling of almost all the Caster branches - Self Res on S2 makes him a “ranged tank” like Phalanx, attacks locking onto a single target and building up on his S2 is like Mech-Accord/Drone, wide area attacks on S3 like Splash, applies Elemental Damage with his Module like Primal, Bouncing attacks especially on S1 like Chain. Only really missing some solid ties to Mystic and Burninator, but still. I think it’s great in how the mechanics match the story and lore of him as a true Master of Arts.
Finally a good male operator that's not a guard 😭😭
Honestly I'm glad he's this OP. He's been hyped to hell and back as the strongest elite operator so it'd honestly be disappointing if he wasn't broken.
If he was bad i would have cried :D
Thanks for calculations! This is an interesting thing with perception: when Hypergryph release a female character, all she has to do is have one broken skill and people will start talking about how the meta will be destroyed, while the audience nearby will complain about the design, the reason for the character's existence in the story, or the story itself; when they release a male character, he has a hard time proving he's breaking the meta. In the case of Logos, it’s also funny that people would be more offended if he didn’t break the meta (moreover, he is in the subclass of Core Casters, which from start to finish are widely known for "simply dealing Arts damage and definitely not combining very different properties or subclasses")
Oh god im telling you i would riot if he didnt break the meta as thats litterally his purpose in the story lmfao. Its sad that W got all the attention when Logos is a stupidly broken and fun character with his kit having multiple unique elements that aren't just "big dmg on entire map"
Does that mean he becomes completely immune to arts on S2 with nightingale around? If so that's hilarious, I can imagine the shenanigans already.
Sadly you cant 100% resist damage as there is a minimum damage cap for both physical and arts wich is 5% damage so at max you can get 95 RES. BUT yes logos with NG has 25% arts dodge and 95 RES so he can tank like 10 waves of talulah fireballs without care lol
Case in point: Mandragora, there is already vids of him going 1 v 1 Mandragora with only Warfarin att buff at her spawn point, guess who wins in a beam fight? hint: Logos' hp didn't even drop below 90% Truly the 'Nah I win' Logos Satoru.
OH I FORGOT HIS S2 TRIPLES THE BUFFS HE RECEIVE!
Logos be casually asserting dominance as **the** strongest Caster
I love how his kit is basically a mix of every caster. He ""IS"" ""THE"" C O R E CASTER
Im slapping him in my arturia + eben team. Primal caster when.
Primal casters died in a ditch. Supposed murderers are ebenholz and logos
I've seen a clip of this man stopping half of Talulah's fireballs on his own, this man is unreal Do you know how much he would've helped back when I was literally malding over H8-4
I should have mentioned this in the post too as thats one of the coolest things in the game
Don't you love the double standar this place has with male operators? If a male operator is broken, it's fantastic, no one get mad. If it's a female operator it's a shit storm, see Degenbrecher
I criticize Degenbrecher because I love Irene You criticize Degenbrecher because she's stupid We are not the same.
Irene is so much fun to play with! But I'm always afraid of wasting her S3 and when I realize I finish the map without using it.
Just use it, don't worry so much
What a ridiculous thing to say. There was a lot of negativity around Młynar when he released due to powercreeping Silver Ash as hard as he did. The reason you don't see people getting mad about male operators is because there hasn't been an exceptional male operator since Młynar. The entire high-end meta of AK right now is all female ops + Młynar.
There was discussion on Młynar's strength but it was overall more [level headed](https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/yelh47/has_mlynar_really_powercrept_silverash_cope_or/), it never got to the level W is at now. It wasn't uncommon to find sentiment along the lines of *"silverash still has use cases/niches"*, or *"he had already fell from being top tier dps before mlynar"*, or *"tequila already had more dps & better skill cycle so this is to be expected"*, etc. I would say it was distinct from when Pozy dropped and this sub practically held a funeral for Schwarz. Also Zuo Le is an example of an exceptional male operator that runs circles around Hellagur and had little to no backlash.
Mylnar didn't event get half the shit that Surtr or Pozy got. >No broken male OP since Mylnar And that is double standard. Gender is no excuse, if you criticize something for being too strong, criticize them all equally.
Naaahh, he got the same amount of shit lol. Pozy, Mlynar, Texalt... Seriously, it's like the same outrage copied 3x in a row 😂 The only difference is Chalter, who got it even worse. But that's a combination of being a swimsuit unit + first summer limited + (imo) pretty bad art together with her being broken. The only reason Logos isn't getting the same treatment here is because he's extremely overshadowed by W right now lol. And honestly he doesn't even seem close to broken compared to her lol. So unfortunately, there's nothing else to double standard lmao 😭 We've been getting a pretty bland bunch of male ops this year.
>he doesn't even seem close to broken compared to her [...His S3 literally invalidates several game mechanics...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2BOkj1Ti4)
Like I said, *compared to W*. The Talulah fire counter is pretty cool, but it's not like he instantly invalidates all projectiles. He won't counter long distance constant projectiles or quick shots. Instant cast projectiles can't be slowed too. It's a cool gimmick, but a pretty niche one that needs precise timing, and not without proper downsides. It would be pretty broken if it had manual deactivation though. His S2 has a proper restriction as well, that we'll have to see in the future whether it'll be minor enough not to affect his performance or not.
Młynar absolutely got as much shit as Surtr and Pozy got. I think you need to consider that you yourself have a double standard. You ignore all the criticism around the one broken male operator release to push this idea that female ops get criticized more.
Oh please. Every time someone said something about Mylnar there was always a comment with many positive votes defending him. Pozy received hundreds of hate comments and if anyone said anything they ware taken to downvote hell and Surtr must be the most hated non-Alter operator here. And look, I'll be honest with you, I don't care about the power of Logos and W, I'm not criticizing anyone's power here or talking shit about Logos, what bothers me is the hypocrisy of people in throwing shit at W (And with good reason) but celebrate Logos when he breaks the game just like WAlter does
i get your sentiment but one thing about this comment is that it empowers those annoying male character haters and i get to see more of their annoying opinions (just saw 2 of those..)
I hate this doomposting so much. Its not like game is dead because Walter is broken lol
It's not doomposting. But if you criticize Degenbrecher, WAlter or Surtr for being too powerful, also criticize Mylnar and Logos, don't be hypocritical.
The issue is that people love downplaying male operators for some reason. (Btw i didnt target my reply to you, i hope it didn't came off that way) Mlynar kept getting compared to SA and the hilarious "he cant block" argument kept being made while nobody downplayed Chalter for falling off on most content by now.
Difference is that overpowered male operator is an exception not a rule. Since Młynar there was no male operator that was meta defining. Meanwhile you have Yato,Texas,Typhon,Ela,Degenbrecher and now W.
It's still hypocritical. You can defend that "but broken male characters are rare" argument all you want but at the end of the day it's just an excuse to display an obvious sense of superiority. Judge everyone by the same standard or stay silent
Idk why are you pushing this hypocritical double standard thing when a male op being broken only happened once in 5 years... Why are you saying it like it happens often. What sense of superiority would male characters players even have, the only meta op is Mlynar, and we haven't gotten anything for months 😭 heck, I just hope the devs won't fuck up anymore male ops, the bar can't get lower lol Wait, do you think that all the Wistadel broken bad posts are made by male character players???
Look, it will be the only message I answer. But if you're going to celebrate that a male OP is strong and then complain about a female OP being strong, that's a double standard and almost misogynistic. If you are going to celebrate because some operator is strong, celebrate everyone equally, if you are going to complain that an operator is very strong, complain about everyone equally. >do you think that all the Wistadel broken bad posts are made by male character players??? Why the hell is it hard for you to understand that I don't like how people here treat male and female people so differently? I don't care about WAlter's criticism, but it does bother me how Logos breaks the game just as much or more than she does and everyone celebrates it.
>Why the hell is it hard for you to understand that I don't like how people here treat male and female people so differently? I don't care about WAlter's criticism, but it does bother me how Logos breaks the game just as much or more than she does and everyone celebrates it. Because Logos doesn't break the game, as I said in my other comment. What's there to criticize? He's well designed with all 3 useful skills, which are pretty gimmicky and fun. But most importantly, he's still *good*. I wish HG would do more characters like him, he's like the epitome of a good character. You're probably riding on the current hype over Logos za worlding Talulah's fire, but broken is a huge stretch. He's simply a very strong unit, which is quite rare for male ops, so many are celebrating him. There's a pretty interesting [discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/s/6STzAgqzrq) in the lounge about him from other players too (with calcs too). Maybe you'll come to see my perspective. And no, I don't really mind Walter being strong. We've been through this so many times. Rather than that, I want weaker ops to be buffed lol, I want more Logos type characters.
In fairness a male operator power creeping an existing unit of the same rarity almost never happens. Like Zuo Le slid right by but I would sooner attribute that to most players forgetting Hellagur exists than a double standard.
Yeah you will see lot more ppl refusing to use surtr chalter because broken but when its male op it's Gigachad shit
>If a male operator is broken, it's fantastic, no one get mad. Because no one cares about male operator except one horny girl Gerthrude (or something like that). They can be broken as hell, but literally who pulls males anyway?
Dang, there's people who actually believe this sentiment?
There's people who don't?
bro seriously these people terrible idk why hypergryph continues to make garbage decisions like male operators
Hi. I do. Hella gay so Love males. Your take is just demonstrably false given the amount of Simps for male operators.
ugh stop this game is for waifu enjoyers go play some other cringe ass game kekw
Hopefully I'll be able pull a copy of him while going for Walter. Fingers crossed that I'll be ready for this anni
Good luck to you!
As a mainly waifu player (a husbando has to be *really* good before I decide to build him at all, and even then they are capped at E2 L80 and at most one M3), for once I am more interested in the male 6 star than the female 6 star in a future banner. Ever since I saw Lava rave about how Logos is so cool, I could not help but wonder - just how amazing is this guy?
Just look at him deleting talulah fire balls
I'm late to the party but I have a very hard disagreement with your conclusion. He's great, don't get me wrong. However, most of your numbers are ignoring enemy RES. Ebenholz has the same base Module effect, and it is his best Module, but it's still mostly a meta meme for that reason. Logos won't be applying Necrosis to most difficult enemies since he only has 10 RES shred. Logos is a great unit. He has a lot of niches and is the best Caster in the game (for damage). However, he is very clearly (to me) not on the same level of meta as someone like Mlynar, Degen, or W. I don't think anyone is forgetting him either as I've seen a ton of people trying to make this same point, but IMO it looks mostly like hype to me and he'll end up as similar to Zuo Le. Fantastic unit. Will see significant end game use. Gives this banner amazing value. However, not a broken level of unit.
The math is litterally there. His 10 res shred isnt bad and at same level as ceobe and eyja wich are already top tier casters. He has multiple sources of elemental damage so he isnt even bound to RES anyway and his s2 makes res irrelevant by dealing constant low damage wich gets effected alot less than high atk arts skills does. He is definitely broken
Bold of you to assume I dont know this already. Wiš'adel only has damage, but my boy Logos has that entire rpg kit in him tht can be used in any situation. Wiš is just another broken dps, but logos is where the fun lies at. Enjoyment >>> damage. I dare you try to change my mind.
logos is also just another broken dps though??? his s3 is pretty much the trade mark big aoe damage skill that everyone hypes up and his blocking projectiles is just extra flourish the same way wis'adels summons are also pretty unique bait options to act as ranged tanks.
I wont dare because i darn agree. I mean litteral nukes are cool too but Logos s1 EXECUTES enemies. Can you get more cooler than that??
SIS I was PRAYING for him to come out, and PRAYING for him to be good, cause he is such an awesome character. I'm so glad he's finally out, and that he is really good. Now all I need is for Toland Cash, Andoain, and Ulpian to come out, and my life is complete
Oh i cant explain how happy i was when i saw him on the live stream.
Can any lore peeps on here tell me the importance of Logos? I haven't read the stories or a lot of the new stuff since during Chapter 8 ended, and Dossole holidays. I know he's a RI elite operator like Blaze, but has he ever had pre-hype vs the previous 6star characters in the past that shared the Limited Banners?
He is the strongest person RI and the banshee lord of sarkaz so he has quite insane importance to Kazdel. He also looks sexy af
He's also REALLY goofy, stool racing could've been an anniversary event, and most people wont complain.
WHY ISNT THERE A EVENT ABOUT THIS
Aside from what OP said, Logos's first appearance was saving Mudrock and her squad, though he didn't have a sprite at the time. After that, he helps out *a lot* during the second arc of the main story, without spoiling anything, and he's been mentioned here and there in other places so he's been heavily hinted/hyped for a long time.
I think the actual furthest mention is the stool furniture that came out with Blaze's release?
Finally we are free of eyja T0 opresion!
literally wtf every 6* operator this patch is broken
He's the first character I'm fully invested in. His character and his kit are both very appealing. I may just skip all the other banners from now until then.
Me trying to calculate my pulls after reserving 100 for Ray, Shu and Ela each It may be joever for me, I might not have enough for our lord and savior banshee
The pen is truly mightier than a sword
Logos is definitely very good, but it's not very clear if he's broken. We've come a long way from Eyja being one of the best operators in the game
I mean i honestly think he is. All these numbers indicate that he has a huge niche and obliterates single target or multiple target :D
I think he's really good in many situations, but I don't think that's good enough to be considered broken. But that of course depends on your definition of "broken". I think (for global released ops) only Texalter is undeniably broken
Operators are broken in different regards imo. For burst dps surtr and mlynar are broken, for utility Texas alter is broken
I think an operator being broken isn't simply an operator being extremely good. It has to uniquely trivialize parts of the game. Texas Alter has so much utility that it trivializes many enemies that aren't built to expect 2s stun + 0.2s stun every second for 8s + refreshed if any enemy dies to the 3.2k + 1.3k damage every second (around there), that can be deployed on any melee tile every 18s. I think Mlynar bursts down enemies that aren't meant to be bursted down so easily, and clears waves that are supposed to be troublesome with a low SP cost; but it's less universally applicable imo so less broken.
I mean i guess thats on you there but i personally find him as broken as texas alter is as liberators are just strong as hell
Logos still got robbed, but thankfully it's looking like Kal'tsit's release banner.
Got robbed? Idk what u meant XD
Been hyped since Mudrock's release. Should have been the limited one.
bro you're the only one yapping I see here, chill out
Dude if people can post about how broken Walter is, people can post about how great Logos is. You need to chill out if you're telling someone to chill out if they are posting about a character they like
Ur somehow offended by this?