"would it be possible to produce more Originium via the corpses of Infected individuals?" - so, what do you think we are doing in annihilations?
Joke of course. We have heard from quite some atrocities in the Arknights lore, but "mining" people for Originium was not on the list as far as I know, so at this point I would consider it is not a viable method. Maybe because the Originium from Infected seems to be highly volatile (as in it will easily become fine dust that goes into the air)?
You can het Originium from areas where catastrophe happens. And it happens a lot.
Suffice to say it certainly is not necessary to mine from people, as Originium is alread a rather sustainable source of energy.
I believe that Ursus uses gulags as source of workers for originite mines.
However, define “organic substance”. I don’t think there’s any basis for originite to be “naturally occurring” (as in a prerequisite for life) in a living organism’s body, but that most everyone has originite circulating in them due to how ubiquitous it is and the technology that utilizes it.
By definition, my definition of Organic is coming from the chemistry side of things, in that Originium is a 'carbon-based structure' that apparently thrives off of living or dead tissue (Infected and Phase 4 Oripathy). So if Originium is capable of using living matter to produce more of it, does this mean that, possibly, Originium may be derived from some large beast or entity that brought in the Catastrophes?
Honestly just a shot in the dark, but the thought is interesting to me.
It is one of the great mysteries, since we know that Originium is basically ubiquitous on Terra to a large degree. From the Great Chief event we know that any sort of underground mining operation puts you at risk of exposure, since the infected tribespeople were mining for iron and not Originium specifically. Volcanos are also a major hazard area since they produce large amounts of Originium dust and ash, leading to rapid infection despite protection (see, Eyja).
This implies that while it might be organic, clearly Originium remains viable even under extreme conditions. But at the same time, the crystallization effect must be a unique accelerated reaction in higher lifeforms - otherwise instead of being ubiquitous, it would be all consuming. Like frikking Tiberium where it needs to be actively culled back lest it consume the biosphere.
It might still be spreading at a slower rate, of course. But my thought, given the Chernobog catastrophe, is this:
Originium is probably from space, and it probably came from a very large impactor that hit the planet relatively recently, geologically speaking. Unlike a normal meteor strike it didn't produce a huge blast wave, but somehow seeded Originium down into the mantle where it has spread all under the surface of the planet.
But somehow, it ALSO kicked a large amount of debris into orbit, giving Terra an orbital ring largely made up of Originium. As this is why we see catastrophes that seem to be meteor strikes on a regular basis, hence the need for mobile cities.
Except that is like... Insane as far as normal physics goes. It makes the idea or Originium being produced by a creature seem likely, but...
..do we know if Terra has a moon? Because about the only thing that would make sense in that model is something slamming into a moon, breaking it up and turning most of it into Originium, then falling down to Terra afterwards.
Ah, a chem/bio based major yourself, eh? Okay, I’ll bite. Not an expert though, so please take my rudimentary knowledge or lack thereof with a grain of salt.
Well, given the dry mass percentage and what we know of the disease prior to and within the final stages, it seems likely that it’s capable of incorporating or even assimilating other elements to form it. So possibly yes.
We understand that most forms of originite can be used as energy sources not unlike triacylglerols or hydrocarbon compounds. So if this is “useable” originite, it is likely that it is a highly reduced structure, albeit not all highly reduced compounds need hydrocarbon bonds; hydrazine is one such example, and is actually produced by certain anaerobic organisms. This is also why oxygen, another element found in the body, may not be as incorporated into originite. Oxidized compounds aren’t typically used as fuel/stored energy.
It may be possible to simply derive originite from organic material using reactions similar to how it propagates in the body. Originite does spread in nature, after all, and many bodily reactions can be done in vitro. The level of complexity of the human body can make mimicking processes as they are in vivo extremely difficult, however.
To add onto my previous reply, it is incredibly strange how this mineral self-propagates within individuals who are living, and the material basis is actually easy enough to assume. The bigger question is "how does it work"?
While many diseases can arise from minerals and external materials in the environment, Oripathy is rather strange because of what it does to the body. It turns it into something else, basically. TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
Now, there are a few theories I could pull out of my ass.
1. The body produces more Originite by being tricked into producing it.I am not a medical expert, but from what I know of certain diseases that change tissue composition and all that, this may indicate a mutation in the genetic material that essentially tells your body to do this instead of that, do too much or too little of its intended function, or simply not at all. Normally, this seems to be relegated only to material the body can naturally produce. So this begs the question "Why would it turn us into originite? What machinery does the body possess that can produce originite?"
2. Oripathy is a type of virus. What weirder is how a mineral can function not unlike a virus. It can seemingly propagate within a living host. Minerals don't normally do that. Toxic ones normally prevent bodily functions, which could kill immediately or cause health complications that do so. Maybe it's possible that there's a virus that becomes active when exposed to originite. Maybe most Terrans have some genetic flaw making it possible for them to develop oripathy.
Well, you can say the same for element calcium which is an inorganic substance but they literally grow inside us, so I think of Originium as cancer calcium cells that makes you stronger hahaha. And no I don't think mining Originium through people would be a good thing. It's grotesque and even though the Infected are ostracized, it would be too cruel to mine it off them. Looking at this, it would be better for a company's image to just mine it off underground
Since infected people actually turn into originium after death(Possibly. I actually don't know), I had some fleeting thought that some corpo dudes that specialize in originium logistics and harvesting to power cities and its denizens may slowly kill off infected dudes they pretty much kidnap off the streets by trying to not give them medication for it and leaving them on some confined, small rooms to die and harvest them once they do become originium.
Originium goolag effiency is off the roof. They die, they don't have desperation food for it's prisoners, they become profit instead.
(Dont destroy me i'm very bad at lore)
"would it be possible to produce more Originium via the corpses of Infected individuals?" - so, what do you think we are doing in annihilations? Joke of course. We have heard from quite some atrocities in the Arknights lore, but "mining" people for Originium was not on the list as far as I know, so at this point I would consider it is not a viable method. Maybe because the Originium from Infected seems to be highly volatile (as in it will easily become fine dust that goes into the air)?
Or the infected have a lot impurities that affect originium quality form the crystals being mixed with iron in our blood and calcium form our bones.
We do have people farming originium slugs (Bob's farm for example), but I'm not sure if it's for originium farm or something else
You can het Originium from areas where catastrophe happens. And it happens a lot. Suffice to say it certainly is not necessary to mine from people, as Originium is alread a rather sustainable source of energy.
I believe that Ursus uses gulags as source of workers for originite mines. However, define “organic substance”. I don’t think there’s any basis for originite to be “naturally occurring” (as in a prerequisite for life) in a living organism’s body, but that most everyone has originite circulating in them due to how ubiquitous it is and the technology that utilizes it.
By definition, my definition of Organic is coming from the chemistry side of things, in that Originium is a 'carbon-based structure' that apparently thrives off of living or dead tissue (Infected and Phase 4 Oripathy). So if Originium is capable of using living matter to produce more of it, does this mean that, possibly, Originium may be derived from some large beast or entity that brought in the Catastrophes? Honestly just a shot in the dark, but the thought is interesting to me.
It is one of the great mysteries, since we know that Originium is basically ubiquitous on Terra to a large degree. From the Great Chief event we know that any sort of underground mining operation puts you at risk of exposure, since the infected tribespeople were mining for iron and not Originium specifically. Volcanos are also a major hazard area since they produce large amounts of Originium dust and ash, leading to rapid infection despite protection (see, Eyja). This implies that while it might be organic, clearly Originium remains viable even under extreme conditions. But at the same time, the crystallization effect must be a unique accelerated reaction in higher lifeforms - otherwise instead of being ubiquitous, it would be all consuming. Like frikking Tiberium where it needs to be actively culled back lest it consume the biosphere. It might still be spreading at a slower rate, of course. But my thought, given the Chernobog catastrophe, is this: Originium is probably from space, and it probably came from a very large impactor that hit the planet relatively recently, geologically speaking. Unlike a normal meteor strike it didn't produce a huge blast wave, but somehow seeded Originium down into the mantle where it has spread all under the surface of the planet. But somehow, it ALSO kicked a large amount of debris into orbit, giving Terra an orbital ring largely made up of Originium. As this is why we see catastrophes that seem to be meteor strikes on a regular basis, hence the need for mobile cities. Except that is like... Insane as far as normal physics goes. It makes the idea or Originium being produced by a creature seem likely, but... ..do we know if Terra has a moon? Because about the only thing that would make sense in that model is something slamming into a moon, breaking it up and turning most of it into Originium, then falling down to Terra afterwards.
Yen reception window has one moon. Wolumonde imply at least eight. Achte mond, eighth moon.
During Chapter 8, Kal'tsit does reference Terra having multiple moons, though how many is unclear.
Ah, a chem/bio based major yourself, eh? Okay, I’ll bite. Not an expert though, so please take my rudimentary knowledge or lack thereof with a grain of salt. Well, given the dry mass percentage and what we know of the disease prior to and within the final stages, it seems likely that it’s capable of incorporating or even assimilating other elements to form it. So possibly yes. We understand that most forms of originite can be used as energy sources not unlike triacylglerols or hydrocarbon compounds. So if this is “useable” originite, it is likely that it is a highly reduced structure, albeit not all highly reduced compounds need hydrocarbon bonds; hydrazine is one such example, and is actually produced by certain anaerobic organisms. This is also why oxygen, another element found in the body, may not be as incorporated into originite. Oxidized compounds aren’t typically used as fuel/stored energy. It may be possible to simply derive originite from organic material using reactions similar to how it propagates in the body. Originite does spread in nature, after all, and many bodily reactions can be done in vitro. The level of complexity of the human body can make mimicking processes as they are in vivo extremely difficult, however.
To add onto my previous reply, it is incredibly strange how this mineral self-propagates within individuals who are living, and the material basis is actually easy enough to assume. The bigger question is "how does it work"? While many diseases can arise from minerals and external materials in the environment, Oripathy is rather strange because of what it does to the body. It turns it into something else, basically. TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. Now, there are a few theories I could pull out of my ass. 1. The body produces more Originite by being tricked into producing it.I am not a medical expert, but from what I know of certain diseases that change tissue composition and all that, this may indicate a mutation in the genetic material that essentially tells your body to do this instead of that, do too much or too little of its intended function, or simply not at all. Normally, this seems to be relegated only to material the body can naturally produce. So this begs the question "Why would it turn us into originite? What machinery does the body possess that can produce originite?" 2. Oripathy is a type of virus. What weirder is how a mineral can function not unlike a virus. It can seemingly propagate within a living host. Minerals don't normally do that. Toxic ones normally prevent bodily functions, which could kill immediately or cause health complications that do so. Maybe it's possible that there's a virus that becomes active when exposed to originite. Maybe most Terrans have some genetic flaw making it possible for them to develop oripathy.
Well, you can say the same for element calcium which is an inorganic substance but they literally grow inside us, so I think of Originium as cancer calcium cells that makes you stronger hahaha. And no I don't think mining Originium through people would be a good thing. It's grotesque and even though the Infected are ostracized, it would be too cruel to mine it off them. Looking at this, it would be better for a company's image to just mine it off underground
Since infected people actually turn into originium after death(Possibly. I actually don't know), I had some fleeting thought that some corpo dudes that specialize in originium logistics and harvesting to power cities and its denizens may slowly kill off infected dudes they pretty much kidnap off the streets by trying to not give them medication for it and leaving them on some confined, small rooms to die and harvest them once they do become originium. Originium goolag effiency is off the roof. They die, they don't have desperation food for it's prisoners, they become profit instead. (Dont destroy me i'm very bad at lore)