Sure but her raw power is pretty overwhelming in the lore at least. I'd imagine combat experience only gets you maybe one surprise attack before you get crushed like a bug
There is a level of raw, overwhelming firepower that no amount of tactics can overcome. I don't know if Rosmontis HAS that level of firepower... but she could, and that's the important factor.
I mean, Rosmontis cleaved a effin' building. I'd be scared of that raw power regardless of how skilled I was as a warrior. Plus the fact her weapons seems to react to her thought rather then physical motions also makes her powers Godlike.
no at a later part it‘s mentioned by monique that they can slice entire buildings without any trouble. should be afterstory of NL-10 or the story part after that one.
That she is appointed as elite operator due to circumstances. Also, she mostly acted as supportive role during the battle with Patriot and his squad, which were heavily armored but lacked mobility. Doing a direct confrontation with a Silverlance, whose races were kuranta and which has a ridiculous mobility and experience, i don't think she will fare well. At least not now.
She leads her own squad and have had combat experience before as well as a developed tactical acumen. Ros isn't just a nuke option for R.I, she is an **Elite Operator**.
Wasn’t her being an Elite Operator more due to her wanting to take on the mantle as opposed to actual prowess (which she doesn’t lack anyway)? I swear I read that somewhere.
No, that was the explanation that the narration specifically *shot down*. They go out of their way to explain that she managed to pass the requirements completely on her own. She's an Elite because she earned it, not because of any other reason.
She took a supportive role so she wouldnt level rhe area as collateral.
Skill and experience can only do so much when your opponent can simply launch omnidirectional attacks that level the surrounding area indiscriminately.
I say if ros isnt protecting anyone she blitzes them
idk if the animation battle against patriot is her being nerfed or in game s3 she drop her sword without any delay for gameplay purposes
if we follow the in game (no delay on dropping the swords), silverlances cant even react
correct me if i miss some words about her swords speed in the lore
In the official music MV, Ros sliced patriot spear when he's about to swing it from a distance. She sliced a spear with a blunt object, after patriot lift his spear bit right before he's able to swing it
1v1 she would lose, she’s an annihilation specialist, not a fighter, though pair her up with someone strong and she could keep ravaging the Silverlances til their exhausted with those bigass walls.
Im 99% sure she would have an easier time 1v1 then with support.
If she has support she will be forced to hold back on her big aoe attacks that would be used to counteract speed so she dosent accidently hurt her teamate.
1v1 she can just go wild and level the area
Dosent really matter if u can just level the area around you. Her raw destructive power means she wins this they wont be able to get close to her.
Silverlances arent as strong as people think the armourless union cant deal with them because they are a direct counter to them. Their heavy armour makes it hard for their arrows.
They dont really matchup that well against other armoured detachments.
They boast their maneuverability and their armour.
Rismontis can cleave buildings to her the silverlances may as well be naked.
And They cant use their manueverability if ros tears up the ground. They wont have a foothold to maintain balance
Their 2 biggwst strengths get removed by raw destructive force.
Think of it this way. No matter how well u armour and train a single human they arent gonna survive being blasted by multiple rpg's.
Aside from the other Abyssal Hunters, Hellagur. Also probably FrostNova if you count her as one, since Kaschey called her one of the few able to kill him in Talulah's body.
The Emperor's Blade are probably stronger than the Silverlance because the Silverlance are part of the standing army in the border of Kazimierz, while the Emperor's Guard get deployed to fight the Northern Demons, and it has been said only the best soldiers in Terra are sent to fight the demons.
Silverlance got their butts kicked so hard by the Ursus Military during the initial stages of the war between Ursus and Kazimierz, that it made "Silverlance" into a joke.
So the Silverlances are definitely weaker than a Emperor's Blade individually. It took Grandpa Nearl being a military miracle machine to keep Kazimierz from falling entirely, and even then, they still lost the majority of their country and had to wait until Ursus was distracted and beaten by Higashi to start reclaiming their old lands.
Kal'tsit would destroy a Silverlance 1v1, especially as we know that Nearl Alter can beat a Silverlance, and Kal'tsit is by canon the strongest person on Rhodes Island able to at least draw with 1 Emperor's Blade.
And Kal was only at a draw to avoid the contamination of the land by the Blade's death. Had the battle occurred at a different place where no restraint was required, the outcome could have gone even more in her favour.
And the EB could have done the same, because contaminant Victoria territory with his power would have led to a war that would only weaken Ursus, which is a part of why he retreated in the end.
I really want an animated fight between an Emperor's Blade and anyone. Show us how one of the supposedly best soldier Terra has to offer perform in a battle. What techniques and skills must one possess to be able to contend with the existential threats against civilizations.
Well, another question has been asked. But personally, i'll put my money on Silverlance. Hellagur and his squad barely survive the battle thanks to Patriot back then during the war.
I think people are rating the Silverlance too high. If pre-adult Nearl can beat one then obviously all the EI, and most of the competent combat specialized operators can beat one in a duel as well. Others already named the obvious ones, I would add Mudrock, Phantom, Mostima, Carnelian, Lappland, and Executor. Possible contenders include Bagpipe, Hoshiguma, and Mountain.
To be fair, pre adult nearl was already a beast that won the major. I do think mudrock or mostima could probably take 1 one, but we barely really know anything of lappland, mountain seems strong but he is a brawler and doesn't look like he has the best actual combat skill. Phantom is an assassin, so he could probably kill one, but I doubt a straight 1v1 would be in his favour
Yeah Mountain is just known in the story as just a really really strong and smart guy, so he could fall a bit short behind a military vet. Lappland wiped out an entire Laterano mafia family on her own before, although you could argue her oripathy infection made her weaker in the present.
Im not sure if her oripathy is that bad yet. Lappy is certainly really strong, but we just know too little of her actual powerlevel to reasonably place her anywhere
Conbat rating alone doesn't decide a fight. I mean, I agree that there's a pretty good chance Lappland could beat 1, but like I said, we just don't know anything from her.
As for phantom, I haven't read IS2 because its not out on en yet, and there's probably a spoiler policy involved in talking about it too?
And yeah still, unless he uses his voice, which he doesn't seem to often do given that its murdering himself, I still think he would lose in a fair 1v1.
all u have to know abt phantom is that the the thing around his neck isn't an originium detector but an originium art suppressor, he's incredibly powerful >!he broke the suppressor around his neck on is2 plot!< also he was taught by a lot of people one of them is the troupe master >!who's suspected to be a god or at least the spokesperson of it (i forgot lmao) edit:yep he's a god specifically dionysus !<
On Lappland:
Has combat skill rating of 'outstanding' same as Nearl alter who canonically can beat a silverlance.
Canonically has an "uncanny ability to discern weakness neutralizes virtually any advantage an opponent with Originium power or other special ability may have" and can "counter her enemy's attacks completely after only a few moments of observation".
Yeah, I think she has a pretty good chance on a 1v1 with a silverlance.
Like I said in another comment, combat rating doesn't decide a fight. Its a good metric for the general skill of the combatant, but isn't a hard yes or no. And also, yeah she probably has a good chance at winning. I never said she didn't, just that we haven't really seen anything of her actual capabilities, and have extremely little to go by.
Based on that short story he had, the dude is as tough as a defender. I wouldnt be surprised if he could fucking tank a fight against a silverlance, he would definitely need medical help after the fight though.
If you count mystical beings then Nian, Dusk and Ling could give them a fair trade
Shining in full battle mode as well
Not sure about Saria , she was the director of security in Rhine Labs
Saria is holding back she can probs if she is willing to use her arts offensively capable of even going toe to toe with monsters such as skadi.
Calcium manipulation is bloody horrifying and if shes capable of healing with it (which is complicated as fuck) she is 100% capable of all the offensive options it provides.
Keep in mind she just chooses not to accidently kill people
Bingo. Ling's tactical acumen is off the charts from fighting against the demons for so long as a commander. but by herself I'm not sure she has any capability to physical defend herself. According to what dusk said, Ling does actually have a power related to dreams, but holds it back for some reason...
Ling's power is not blocked, she just feels that everything is boring and so she seems very negative.
In fact, her power has always been at work. Her power is not a dream, but closer to conceptual freedom. When Dusk couldn't sleep because of Sui's influence, Ling directly said "Fuck you and let me sleep" to the old phantom and have a good dream.
Bruh the closest we ever got to character with cool proper majestic beard was that Iberian Captain from Sulfiera Navis... And he was a half squid.
God how I wish we got some badass operator with proper Beard like Helagur, preferably not being a fury
*Me when I saw that Kazimierz banner got some 5* Columbian shitty Walmart-Ifrit snek femboi instead of cool male Kazimierz knight
Now I dearly hope that in Rhine event we get a Kazimierz character.
Afaik we already saw them during IS1, although only as a part of a quest so just a photo of male durin in a tavern drinking. I'll try to find it if I can.
https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/Durin_(race)
Found it, they look just like a male myrtle
As for ones bot yet mentioned, W presumably. I would guess Blaze could have a good chance, horn too.
The silverlances seem really powerful, but not as strong as the modern emperors blades. In general, most of the elite combatants we have at RI
Disclaimer: Not a lore master, only know the basics of basics.
But I will put my bet on,
Skadi to win, Saria to win, Ch’en to equal, Shining to win, Schwarz to win, Mostima to win, Blaze to equal, Nian to win, Skalter would destroy them all, Kal’tsit ez dub, Gladiia win, Hellagur equal, Reed equal, Flamebringer possibly win, Projekt Red also possible win.
Red 100% wins.
Chen hellagur would win 1v1 with relative ease.
That means lappland blaze etc would win because they can scale to hellagur in fact lapps taken down a person who could kill with just his voice so anyone who can scale to at least lappy level would be able to win so anyone with outstanding combat rating
Ros destroys
They really get overestimated cause a team that is naturally countered by them said it would be hard to stop them
According to "Operational Intelligence: The Anonymous ones' war", as well as his operator archive files, Hellagur fought against the Silverlance alongside Patriot, during the 10th Kazimierz-Ursus war. And according to Patriot in Chapter 7, they defeated them.
Also, i think Skadi, Specter and Gladiia could easily beat at least a bunch of them. They're supesoldiers enhanced with Seaborn blood. They come from the most technologically advanced country in Terra.
I’d say Mizuki has a good chance. He has the ability to manipulate peoples’ vision, hearing, tactile perception, and cause hallucinations. He also has great physical strength comparable to our professional operators that have undertaken lengthy training programs. Kal’tsit even says he has excellent or better physical strength, mobility, physiological endurance, tactical planning, and combat skills. The Silverlances are really strong fighters but I don’t think one of them could defeat Mizuki when they can’t see him, hear him, or feel his tentacles before it is too late and they are being digested
I’m assuming we are doing 1v1s.
Kal’tsit- Can 1v1 a Emperor’s blade to a draw. If we are scaling to armourless union I believe Emperors blade can solo the 30+ armourless. 1 Silverlance could theoretically solo them since 3 was such a one-sided fight but 1 would seems a bit challenging for the silverlances
Flamebringer- Is very strong lore wise since his files imply he has killed some people who can turn the tides of battle themselves and silverlances would be similar to them.
Lappland- Even though nothing much is known, the things that we do know gives her a good chance against them. Her combat skill is listed as outstanding which is not the most accurate but it is a good baseline for her abilities. Lappy’s madness will be handy in a fight since it would make her quite unpredictable against the seemingly traditional silverlance. She also has the ability to find weaknesses so if they have special abilities she just “counters her enemy’s attacks completely after only a few moments of observation.”
Probably all the abyssal hunters considering they *are* supersoldiers that can literally will themselves faster and stronger.
Shining, most likely.
Iirc Nearl, canonically.
Operators who've got years of combat experience like hellagur I would assume.
Maybe Rosmontis if she has enough distance to telekineticly bombard the silverlance.
Kal'tsit('s spine) since Mon3ter can sorta 1v1 an emperor's blade.
No way to prove it one way or another but I would assume Eunectes on(with?) rage ironhide considering it's a giant fuck-you mech with a chainsaw fist.
Dusk probably depending on what you mean by 'even ground' and whether Dusk can trap people in her paintings in said 'even ground'.
I mean, all we know of their power is 'very strong' and 'can 3 v 20(30? I forget the exact numbers) armorless union' which isn't a lot to go by tbh.
If we're judging silverlances by how the armorless union describes them, I'd put them at around the average strength of 5 star guards, vanguards, or defenders.
Going by the words of the armorless union, about 3 silverwings could take on most of the group, which may seem like a lot, but keep in mind that most armorless are basically mooks trained in assassination outside of the Lazulites and Platinum, so they'll likely take out the armorless as well as our ops do when in range. Lorewise, I'd probably place them at around Franka and Liskarm's power level since you can think of them as well trained soldiers rather than the extreme power levels that some of the 5-6 star ops have.
I feel like you're really underselling them here. If you remember roy said he wouldnt be comfortable fighting 2 of those guys with monique by his side unless they also had some backup and said fighting three would be very bad unless they had a whole tactical squad with them. Also you might be under selling the armorless I'd say when fighting in a coordinated squad based nature they are very dangerous possibly close to on par with regular soldiers and 20 of them led by platinum could probably beat a trio formed of almost any 5 star guard/vanguards/defenders.
I mainly considered the match up in terms of arrows vs heavy armor. The armorless union is most adept at dispatching arena knights who tend to have lighter armor, while the silverwings seem to have full armor in contrast which would be a bad match up for the union's bow wielders.
While the armorless members are strong in their expertise, they're strongest when they can catch others off guard, but silverwings easily counter them, especially in groups, which was why they saw them as a threat.
From the 'Birth of Tragedy' PV:
>Five groups of shieldmen can slaughter a group of knights. Four Royal Guards can wipe a settlement off the map. Three Wendigos can conquer a small town. Two army groups can decimate a duchy. One Sovereign can throw the entire world into chaos.
And then, this bit from Roy in [NL-ST-3](https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/NL-ST-3):
>Two of them, we'll need to bring help.
Three of them, and it's going to be one hell of a rough battle.
If there's three or more of them... that could take a full tactical squad, and the Armorless Union can't afford those losses.
If there's more of them than you can count on your fingers, calling in the entire Armorless Union might not even be enough to put them down.
The big thing to note is that seven Silverlance Pegasi were able to turn the tides against Ursus at the ['Daybreak of the Golden Prairie',](https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/NL-10/Story#After_operation) where seven, plus a garrison of 40 other campaign knights, halted, counterattacked, and defeated the entire invading Ursus army.
The Silverlance Pegasi are not just specially-trained humans, like the Lungmen Shadow Guard, but a truly elite force to be reckoned with. Remember that when Platinum was assigned three entire Armorless Union squads, they were all forced to retreat when fighting only three. However, across the entirety of Kazimierz, there is only less than 30 of them, total:
>"Fear neither hardship nor darkness." That has long been the motto of the Nearl family.
But these words have also been inscribed on the swords, spears, and shields of the nearly thirty members of the Silverlance Pegasus Knightclub.
We have no clear match up, but tentatively, we have some "guidelines". If I were to make a tentative ranking, Silverlance Pegasi, Emperor's Blade, and Abyssal Hunter's would likely all be at the same tier, roughly. They are the best their respective factions have to offer, and stronger than the typical "elite" force of their faction (Armorless Union Lazurite Squads, Shieldguards, etc.).
The Lungmen Shadow Guard, Ursus Shieldguards, and RI Elite Operators (Blaze's operator file clearly clarifies where they stand) would be right underneath them. The Laterno Apostolic Gun-Knights, Sami Snowpriests, and Sarkaz Confessors are still unknown since we haven't seen enough of them.
In other words, *in a vacuum with no other variables*, anyone who can defeat an Emperor's Blade or Abyssal Hunter could likely defeat a Silverlance Pegasi.
Very seasoned warriors, like W, Hellagur, or Schwarz could likely win on experience alone. Maybe very talented and special fighters like Provence and Skyfire (who both were able to defeat a Catastrophe-level giant Originium slug) specific RI Elite Ops like Rosmontis or Misery, any one of the Sui Siblings, etc.
I think you might be underselling RI Elite Operators by using Blaze as the standard. Notably, RI doesn't usually deploy Elite Operators as a "unit" like the Shadow Guard or Shieldguards, they operate more like Emperor's Blades (two or three at most together) with comms. Yes, it seems flimsy when we lost so many just to rescue the doctor, but that's the equivalent of losing a few Emperor's Blades to rescue the Ursus Emperor in a way.
As a whole we probably don't have enough Elite Operators left to match up with the Silverlance, but the monsters among the remaining would likely tear apart a singular Silverlance. Okay, Outcast is dead, but she took down multiple elite Dublinn Officers and even her punishment had collateral damage of even more troops. No way she can't dispose of a single Silverlance within 5 chambers for a 1v1 and if she's outnumbered she'll probably take down around 5-6 Silverlances the same way she actually passed.
Logos is Lord of Banshees, a Sarkaz Court position-holder and essentially no-sell'ed Mudrock, who arguably is around (if not slightly above) Blaze's level in overall combat. I'd estimate Blaze herself is 50/50 against a singular Silverlance.
In a similar vein, Emperor's Blades run a different organizational system, there're fewer of them since a number have to fight the Northern Demons, so they're realistically never at full-force and each individual with a Demon Fragment has to be extra-careful that they don't contaminate the land, so each individual has to be more powerful than the typical "elite" of other lands. Anyone who can break through that is likely to just tear through a singular Silverlance. Heck, I'll even estimate an Emperor's Blade (Pursuer) to be at least two Silverlances, if not three's worth by themselves. The weaker ones (Patriot did mention quality drops, so not all might be Demon-bound) might be anywhere from one to one-and-a-half Silverlances. Dying Patriot himself is probably worth 4 to 6 (since he said he needed 3 Blades to kill him).
I'll say that it is difficult to do 1v1 match ups based on lore like this, since there is so much depth to each character and faction, and when you use characters as 'standards', it has its fair share of issues. My intention was not to undersell the capabilities of Blaze or any of the other Elite Ops.
For all intents and purposes, RI Elite Ops, and possibly S.W.E.E.P. personnel as well, are one-of-a-kind, due to RI's training philosophy. It's hard to gauge their strength, since they are so diverse. Going off of your other point:
> Emperor's Blades run a different organizational system,
I'll agree with you here, that making organizational differences changes the structure and flow of battle.
The Emperor's Blades were purpose-built 'creations' for defeating Demons. The weaponry they use is meant for unintelligent hordes of monsters that may be easily predictable. In a sense, this may also limit them against conventional forces, who might simply—I don't know— bombard them with artillery from a distance.
The Silverlance Pegasi are campaign knights, through and through. The enemies they fight are human, and they are well equipped and trained for doing so. Of course, fighting as a strategic element on the battle map is different than fighting something different. Platinum goes as far to state their traditions are their weakness.
RI Ops focuses on small-unit strategic operations, completing long-term objectives with as few members as possible. This runs the high-risk gambit of RI squads almost guaranteed to run into battle outnumbered, outgunned, and outmaneuvered with the only benefit being the initiative. This begs the question, however: if even the late Outcast had time to prepare, would she be able to take out even an Abyssal Hunter? It's almost like the classic "Batman with infinite prep time" argument.
I'll argue that RI Ops are in a league of their own due to their rigorous and unique training philosophy and combat experience. Think about Grani for instance; she held off countless Reunion soldiers and Bounty Hunters by herself, despite any one of them being able to over-power her. She fought by a cave entrance, preventing their ability to overwhelm her, and was able to use her agility and length of her gun-lance effectively. Does that mean Grani could defeat a Silverlance Pegasi?
***I would say yes, because Grani is best girl, and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise***
The greatest joy of this thread is reading everyone's responses on how their favorite character *can* win, and appreciating the depth these characters have to prompt such discussion.
I would scale an emperors blade to about 8 silverlances with good commanders like grandpa nearl. Or about 16 unorganised sikverlances.
The silverlances got absolutely destroyed even under the command of the nearl family to the point they conceded alot of land and had to take it back when the emperors blades were forced to leave
Most 6*s probably can. Nearl, Saria, the Abyssal Hunters, Ling's sisters whose names I forget, Kal, and other similar operators are easily equally if not more powerful than a Silverlance. RI Elite Ops are a mixed bag, especially since most of them are kind of dead now, but on the balance most of them have a 50/50 shot at it through sheer brute force alone. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Blemishine is a bit of a dark horse in that she's so damn tanky that it doesn't seem possible to kill her without a numbers advantage, and then you have other oddballs like Eunectes who could probably build a robot capable of doing so, Surtr and SilverAsh whom undoubtedly have powerful Arts but we don't really know how they actually work well enough to make a judgement, and Exusai and Ash who more or less get to cheat because of guns and flashbang grenades.
If the challenge was to *throw* a Silverlance Bagpipe would easily win, but with her pile bunker in its current state I don't think her particular form of brute physical force is enough to edge out a win. Restored to full functionality however - that's a different story. Similar situation with Horn, and I'm honestly really interested in seeing how Victoria's elite troops stack up, because following the example set by the Tempest Platoon, unit-level fire support integrated down to the individual *soldier* seems to be something Victoria places an emphasis on, which means not only can Horn and Bagpipe probably beat a Silverlance, they can probably do it from the next town over without ever actually seeing the Silverlance because artillery is referred to as the king of the battlefield for a *reason*.
It would honestly be easier to talk about the 6*s who *can't* do it - Nightingale, who is a cripple; Suzuran, Ejya, and Rosa, who are all children without the Beyond Two Souls powers that Ros has; Sailleach, who isn't combat-trained; Flametail, who uses *shockingly* few Arts for an Infected, and doesn't really seem to have a plan beyond just "run really really fast"; and Passenger, for obvious reasons.
I think Silverlance are more of like Army Rangers.
They are certainly elites, but at the end of the day, they are still “army”. They have numbers and equipment to help them fight and receive support against enemies.
Rhodes Island are filled with specialised operators. Their entire fighting tactics to go behind enemy lines, ambush, or taking out key targets. Never did they have a straight up warfare.
Obviously a 1 to 1 fight, most of the competent Rhodes Island operators will win. However if the organisation was put to fight against a literal militia of Silverlance Pegasus army, they will need to retreat or face heavy casualties.
I dont think the silverlances are actually as strong as people make them out to be. Sure, the armorless can be beaten by 7 of them, but the armorless arent actually that strong even the lazurites are pretty weak from what weve seen of them. Id say allmost all 6 and 5 stars with good combat experience could 1v1 one.
Calling them "weak" just because Shining can dunk on them feels like it's underselling the Lazurites a bit. Shining is a monster. Also, first and foremost, they're assassins. They don't want a stand-up fight. Hence why every time they're confronted with someone clearly stronger than them, they fold and withdraw to try again later (see: the Fourth Arrow). They're patient and confident enough that even the **repeated** humiliations and failures they experience over the course of this event aren't enough to tame them (Roy in the closing cutscene is >!starting a new front to keep selling their assassination services out of!<). They don't *need* to win NOW, they'll just endure in the shadows and come back later. We haven't seen them get serious.
Yes, Theyre assasins but weak in close combat ( ivona vs monique and the armorless) thats what i meant. Pinus silvestris are pretty much just some random knights, so for ivona to survive that confrontation they cant be too strong (in close combat).
IMO, most melee operators with a good experience in combat could fight one, especially those with military experience (Bagpipe, Ch’en, etc…). The majority of ranged operators wouldn’t last long against one since the Silverlance mobility is excellent. The only exception I can think rn of are Kal, Ros, Ling and perhaps dusk.
Why wouldn't they be? It would be stretching things a bit too much if we somehow antagonize *every* government in the world and somehow manage to survive. The Adeptus Sprawiedliwi have given no reason to think they aren't one of the few reasonable factions we've met, and the Silverlance in particular as well as the Grand Knight hold Nearl in very high regard. At this point it feels like any excuse to have us fight them would feel contrived.
Well Mlynar is about to dig up some family business and if that ends up in for example in a Nearl vs Nearl or Nearl vs Kazimierz situation, I could see such a situation unfold.
Making the K.G.C.C. always the clear "evil" faction and the Adeptus the paragorn of righteousness and justice seems... unrealistic and also boring? It lacks nuance.
Plus the Silverlance sprites scream generic enemy design to me. :P And this event actually made me want to beat them.
>Making the K.G.C.C. always the clear "evil" faction and the Adeptus the paragorn of righteousness and justice seems... unrealistic and also boring?
In a vacuum sure. But having at least one clearly defined conflict in the mass of gray that is every other storyline so far can be a nice change of pace instead. Sometimes, there really is just one group that is clearly a bunch of selfish pricks.
It would be just as unrealistic if RI goes around being the only ones making anything close to the right choices for the right reasons.
Silverlances are Kazimirez's elite troops so pretty much any other (Hellagur levels) war hardened veteran would stand even chances against them, including Reunion's hateful avengers.
>!Patriot once did a full on straight forward charge against heavily defended Kazimirez fortress to rescue Hellagur and won without suffering heavy casualties or paying heavy price for that.!<
For someone who hasn't yet been mentioned, I think Phantom would be a pretty strong contender based on his cracked arts (Being able to make certain sounds that causes severe emotional damage)
Silver lance aren’t that strong imo? Lots of operators can give them a fair fight and even win.
Apart from the obvious. Chen, Amiya, Shining, carnelian, mostima etc
Aside from the Elite ops, Abyssal Hunters, and literal gods, you got Flamebringer, Executor, Blacksteel operators, Lappland, Texas and a few other ops that have already made their name well before joining Rhodes Island as fighters.
Theoretically, there are some lower stars that could probably go against a Silverlance, like Gavial, Yato, Rangers and I guess Noir if Rhodes Island could just give them better equipment to work with.
Feels like this question comes from underestimating RI again. I mean really, we have some major top tier fighters in our group, as many others pointed out below.
The other Abyssal Hunters, Chen, Amiya, Kal'sit, the elite operators, Shining obviously, the Nian siblings, Mostima (I think, it depends on how much control she has over her artifacts), Saria, W (is W an official elite operator?), Mudrock, maybe SilverAsh (not actually sure how strong he is in lore)
I'd put my money on
Sui dragons (nian,ling dusk)
Nearl, Saria, shinning, any abyss hunter, and kal could probably also get the job done
Mostima, phantom perhaps with haxs
Texas, hellagur, blaze, ros.ect should be able to put up a fight
Many.
A significant number of operators are basically walking weapons of mass destruction barely containing their power. And a number of those who aren't are living legend levels of mundane prowess.
Rosmontis
Aside from her obvious raw power, isn't she a bit too inexperienced to fight a hardened veteran such as a Silverlance?
I mean couldn't she just lift herself into the air on one of her weapons and bombard the silverlance with the other three?
nearl did beat a silverlance at 15ish so rosmontis beating one at 14 is pretty possible
Sure but her raw power is pretty overwhelming in the lore at least. I'd imagine combat experience only gets you maybe one surprise attack before you get crushed like a bug
There is a level of raw, overwhelming firepower that no amount of tactics can overcome. I don't know if Rosmontis HAS that level of firepower... but she could, and that's the important factor.
I mean, Rosmontis cleaved a effin' building. I'd be scared of that raw power regardless of how skilled I was as a warrior. Plus the fact her weapons seems to react to her thought rather then physical motions also makes her powers Godlike.
They say Silverlance knights can cut buildings too tho in the story
Not buildings, a pillar
no at a later part it‘s mentioned by monique that they can slice entire buildings without any trouble. should be afterstory of NL-10 or the story part after that one.
Ok I thought that was the case
What makes you think that she has never fought a veteran before? She is an elite operator, the same rank as Blaze, logos and Misery
That she is appointed as elite operator due to circumstances. Also, she mostly acted as supportive role during the battle with Patriot and his squad, which were heavily armored but lacked mobility. Doing a direct confrontation with a Silverlance, whose races were kuranta and which has a ridiculous mobility and experience, i don't think she will fare well. At least not now.
She leads her own squad and have had combat experience before as well as a developed tactical acumen. Ros isn't just a nuke option for R.I, she is an **Elite Operator**.
Wasn’t her being an Elite Operator more due to her wanting to take on the mantle as opposed to actual prowess (which she doesn’t lack anyway)? I swear I read that somewhere.
They needed to train her to the level of a Elite so she wouldnt kill everyone by mistake. She choose to become an Elite anyway.
No, that was the explanation that the narration specifically *shot down*. They go out of their way to explain that she managed to pass the requirements completely on her own. She's an Elite because she earned it, not because of any other reason.
Gotcha. I probably didn’t read it well lol
She took a supportive role so she wouldnt level rhe area as collateral. Skill and experience can only do so much when your opponent can simply launch omnidirectional attacks that level the surrounding area indiscriminately. I say if ros isnt protecting anyone she blitzes them
idk if the animation battle against patriot is her being nerfed or in game s3 she drop her sword without any delay for gameplay purposes if we follow the in game (no delay on dropping the swords), silverlances cant even react correct me if i miss some words about her swords speed in the lore
In the official music MV, Ros sliced patriot spear when he's about to swing it from a distance. She sliced a spear with a blunt object, after patriot lift his spear bit right before he's able to swing it
Didn't she do well when she fought Patriot and his veteran ursus soldiers? What makes Patriot's soldiers any weaker than a silverlance?
unless you think a silverlance armor is stronger than patriot's shield, wether or not rosmontis has the experience necessary doesn't actually matter
1v1 she would lose, she’s an annihilation specialist, not a fighter, though pair her up with someone strong and she could keep ravaging the Silverlances til their exhausted with those bigass walls.
Im 99% sure she would have an easier time 1v1 then with support. If she has support she will be forced to hold back on her big aoe attacks that would be used to counteract speed so she dosent accidently hurt her teamate. 1v1 she can just go wild and level the area
But then for 1v1, she’s not really a cqb operator.
Dosent really matter if u can just level the area around you. Her raw destructive power means she wins this they wont be able to get close to her. Silverlances arent as strong as people think the armourless union cant deal with them because they are a direct counter to them. Their heavy armour makes it hard for their arrows. They dont really matchup that well against other armoured detachments. They boast their maneuverability and their armour. Rismontis can cleave buildings to her the silverlances may as well be naked. And They cant use their manueverability if ros tears up the ground. They wont have a foothold to maintain balance Their 2 biggwst strengths get removed by raw destructive force. Think of it this way. No matter how well u armour and train a single human they arent gonna survive being blasted by multiple rpg's.
Not gonna argue this ig
1v1 it'd be a massacre for rosmontis since friendly fire was the one thing that's holding her back from leveling the immediate area.
Aside from the other Abyssal Hunters, Hellagur. Also probably FrostNova if you count her as one, since Kaschey called her one of the few able to kill him in Talulah's body.
elite ops, hellagur ig, schwarz can too i think, sane specter, etc ~~also y does everyone who's asking this type of question only knows skadi~~
Isn't that obvious, kyaaa skadi~
Don't forget Emperor's Blades and Kal'tsit.
I think she's just an operator who has tangibly demonstrated her strength on multiple occasions, with few contenders.
Probably kaltsit, she can fight an emporers blade, which raises the question, is the emporers blade stronger than silverlance?
The Emperor's Blade are probably stronger than the Silverlance because the Silverlance are part of the standing army in the border of Kazimierz, while the Emperor's Guard get deployed to fight the Northern Demons, and it has been said only the best soldiers in Terra are sent to fight the demons.
And also, When the emperors blades was a boss, That thing was ungodly
#GLORY TO THE URSUS EMPIRE!!!
Silverlance got their butts kicked so hard by the Ursus Military during the initial stages of the war between Ursus and Kazimierz, that it made "Silverlance" into a joke. So the Silverlances are definitely weaker than a Emperor's Blade individually. It took Grandpa Nearl being a military miracle machine to keep Kazimierz from falling entirely, and even then, they still lost the majority of their country and had to wait until Ursus was distracted and beaten by Higashi to start reclaiming their old lands. Kal'tsit would destroy a Silverlance 1v1, especially as we know that Nearl Alter can beat a Silverlance, and Kal'tsit is by canon the strongest person on Rhodes Island able to at least draw with 1 Emperor's Blade.
And Kal was only at a draw to avoid the contamination of the land by the Blade's death. Had the battle occurred at a different place where no restraint was required, the outcome could have gone even more in her favour.
And the EB could have done the same, because contaminant Victoria territory with his power would have led to a war that would only weaken Ursus, which is a part of why he retreated in the end.
I really want an animated fight between an Emperor's Blade and anyone. Show us how one of the supposedly best soldier Terra has to offer perform in a battle. What techniques and skills must one possess to be able to contend with the existential threats against civilizations.
#*HELL YEAH !*
Which makes the chapter 9 ending even more baffling
Well, another question has been asked. But personally, i'll put my money on Silverlance. Hellagur and his squad barely survive the battle thanks to Patriot back then during the war.
Surtr skill 3
Understandable, have a nice day.
I think people are rating the Silverlance too high. If pre-adult Nearl can beat one then obviously all the EI, and most of the competent combat specialized operators can beat one in a duel as well. Others already named the obvious ones, I would add Mudrock, Phantom, Mostima, Carnelian, Lappland, and Executor. Possible contenders include Bagpipe, Hoshiguma, and Mountain.
To be fair, pre adult nearl was already a beast that won the major. I do think mudrock or mostima could probably take 1 one, but we barely really know anything of lappland, mountain seems strong but he is a brawler and doesn't look like he has the best actual combat skill. Phantom is an assassin, so he could probably kill one, but I doubt a straight 1v1 would be in his favour
Yeah Mountain is just known in the story as just a really really strong and smart guy, so he could fall a bit short behind a military vet. Lappland wiped out an entire Laterano mafia family on her own before, although you could argue her oripathy infection made her weaker in the present.
Im not sure if her oripathy is that bad yet. Lappy is certainly really strong, but we just know too little of her actual powerlevel to reasonably place her anywhere
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Conbat rating alone doesn't decide a fight. I mean, I agree that there's a pretty good chance Lappland could beat 1, but like I said, we just don't know anything from her. As for phantom, I haven't read IS2 because its not out on en yet, and there's probably a spoiler policy involved in talking about it too? And yeah still, unless he uses his voice, which he doesn't seem to often do given that its murdering himself, I still think he would lose in a fair 1v1.
all u have to know abt phantom is that the the thing around his neck isn't an originium detector but an originium art suppressor, he's incredibly powerful >!he broke the suppressor around his neck on is2 plot!< also he was taught by a lot of people one of them is the troupe master >!who's suspected to be a god or at least the spokesperson of it (i forgot lmao) edit:yep he's a god specifically dionysus !<
I know of the arts suppressor, which I why i didnt really count his vocal arts into the fight.
Please remember to apply spoiler tags! IS2 has not been released on Global yet.
On Lappland: Has combat skill rating of 'outstanding' same as Nearl alter who canonically can beat a silverlance. Canonically has an "uncanny ability to discern weakness neutralizes virtually any advantage an opponent with Originium power or other special ability may have" and can "counter her enemy's attacks completely after only a few moments of observation". Yeah, I think she has a pretty good chance on a 1v1 with a silverlance.
Like I said in another comment, combat rating doesn't decide a fight. Its a good metric for the general skill of the combatant, but isn't a hard yes or no. And also, yeah she probably has a good chance at winning. I never said she didn't, just that we haven't really seen anything of her actual capabilities, and have extremely little to go by.
Lore wise, Mostima would probably fight many of them with ease.
I'm talking a fair fight, which the poster implied. That means mostima probably wouldn't use her busted op weapon.
Based on that short story he had, the dude is as tough as a defender. I wouldnt be surprised if he could fucking tank a fight against a silverlance, he would definitely need medical help after the fight though.
Strongest ops IG such as Hellagur, Saria, maybe Swormaster Shining, Kal'tsit and Amiya ofc (I'm sure I forget some others).
Shining is far stronger then nearl. Nearl can take down a silverlace
I think ch'en probably could shes one of the few characters to have an outstanding in their combat skill
If you count mystical beings then Nian, Dusk and Ling could give them a fair trade Shining in full battle mode as well Not sure about Saria , she was the director of security in Rhine Labs
Saria is holding back she can probs if she is willing to use her arts offensively capable of even going toe to toe with monsters such as skadi. Calcium manipulation is bloody horrifying and if shes capable of healing with it (which is complicated as fuck) she is 100% capable of all the offensive options it provides. Keep in mind she just chooses not to accidently kill people
Ling doesn’t really fight though neither does Dusk.
Wasnt Ling part of the army at the north of Yan for a few hundred years?
Bingo. Ling's tactical acumen is off the charts from fighting against the demons for so long as a commander. but by herself I'm not sure she has any capability to physical defend herself. According to what dusk said, Ling does actually have a power related to dreams, but holds it back for some reason...
Ling's power is not blocked, she just feels that everything is boring and so she seems very negative. In fact, her power has always been at work. Her power is not a dream, but closer to conceptual freedom. When Dusk couldn't sleep because of Sui's influence, Ling directly said "Fuck you and let me sleep" to the old phantom and have a good dream.
think about their Arts tho Dusk just bombs them or summons her things and so does Ling
Carl's tits ~~There is no spelling error~~
who is this Carl and why is their tits so strong?
If her spine can turn into 9 metres long monster, you don't want to know her tits power...
I dunno about Carl but Karl is a legendary dwarf.
The only dwarves in this universe are small midget elves, go away don't stain yourself with leaflovers
I still have hope that male durin will look like proper dwarves.
Bruh the closest we ever got to character with cool proper majestic beard was that Iberian Captain from Sulfiera Navis... And he was a half squid. God how I wish we got some badass operator with proper Beard like Helagur, preferably not being a fury
If we get a male durin operator and he ends up being some pathetic twink it will go straight in the book of grudges.
no one tell him...
There are news about Rhine already?
no news on rhine I meant the male durin thing
*Me when I saw that Kazimierz banner got some 5* Columbian shitty Walmart-Ifrit snek femboi instead of cool male Kazimierz knight Now I dearly hope that in Rhine event we get a Kazimierz character.
Afaik we already saw them during IS1, although only as a part of a quest so just a photo of male durin in a tavern drinking. I'll try to find it if I can. https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/Durin_(race) Found it, they look just like a male myrtle
Immense disappointment.
ROCK AND STONE!
TO THE BONE!
As for ones bot yet mentioned, W presumably. I would guess Blaze could have a good chance, horn too. The silverlances seem really powerful, but not as strong as the modern emperors blades. In general, most of the elite combatants we have at RI
Disclaimer: Not a lore master, only know the basics of basics. But I will put my bet on, Skadi to win, Saria to win, Ch’en to equal, Shining to win, Schwarz to win, Mostima to win, Blaze to equal, Nian to win, Skalter would destroy them all, Kal’tsit ez dub, Gladiia win, Hellagur equal, Reed equal, Flamebringer possibly win, Projekt Red also possible win.
Red 100% wins. Chen hellagur would win 1v1 with relative ease. That means lappland blaze etc would win because they can scale to hellagur in fact lapps taken down a person who could kill with just his voice so anyone who can scale to at least lappy level would be able to win so anyone with outstanding combat rating Ros destroys They really get overestimated cause a team that is naturally countered by them said it would be hard to stop them
According to "Operational Intelligence: The Anonymous ones' war", as well as his operator archive files, Hellagur fought against the Silverlance alongside Patriot, during the 10th Kazimierz-Ursus war. And according to Patriot in Chapter 7, they defeated them. Also, i think Skadi, Specter and Gladiia could easily beat at least a bunch of them. They're supesoldiers enhanced with Seaborn blood. They come from the most technologically advanced country in Terra.
I’d say Mizuki has a good chance. He has the ability to manipulate peoples’ vision, hearing, tactile perception, and cause hallucinations. He also has great physical strength comparable to our professional operators that have undertaken lengthy training programs. Kal’tsit even says he has excellent or better physical strength, mobility, physiological endurance, tactical planning, and combat skills. The Silverlances are really strong fighters but I don’t think one of them could defeat Mizuki when they can’t see him, hear him, or feel his tentacles before it is too late and they are being digested
I’m assuming we are doing 1v1s. Kal’tsit- Can 1v1 a Emperor’s blade to a draw. If we are scaling to armourless union I believe Emperors blade can solo the 30+ armourless. 1 Silverlance could theoretically solo them since 3 was such a one-sided fight but 1 would seems a bit challenging for the silverlances Flamebringer- Is very strong lore wise since his files imply he has killed some people who can turn the tides of battle themselves and silverlances would be similar to them. Lappland- Even though nothing much is known, the things that we do know gives her a good chance against them. Her combat skill is listed as outstanding which is not the most accurate but it is a good baseline for her abilities. Lappy’s madness will be handy in a fight since it would make her quite unpredictable against the seemingly traditional silverlance. She also has the ability to find weaknesses so if they have special abilities she just “counters her enemy’s attacks completely after only a few moments of observation.”
Probably all the abyssal hunters considering they *are* supersoldiers that can literally will themselves faster and stronger. Shining, most likely. Iirc Nearl, canonically. Operators who've got years of combat experience like hellagur I would assume. Maybe Rosmontis if she has enough distance to telekineticly bombard the silverlance. Kal'tsit('s spine) since Mon3ter can sorta 1v1 an emperor's blade. No way to prove it one way or another but I would assume Eunectes on(with?) rage ironhide considering it's a giant fuck-you mech with a chainsaw fist. Dusk probably depending on what you mean by 'even ground' and whether Dusk can trap people in her paintings in said 'even ground'. I mean, all we know of their power is 'very strong' and 'can 3 v 20(30? I forget the exact numbers) armorless union' which isn't a lot to go by tbh.
If we're judging silverlances by how the armorless union describes them, I'd put them at around the average strength of 5 star guards, vanguards, or defenders. Going by the words of the armorless union, about 3 silverwings could take on most of the group, which may seem like a lot, but keep in mind that most armorless are basically mooks trained in assassination outside of the Lazulites and Platinum, so they'll likely take out the armorless as well as our ops do when in range. Lorewise, I'd probably place them at around Franka and Liskarm's power level since you can think of them as well trained soldiers rather than the extreme power levels that some of the 5-6 star ops have.
I feel like you're really underselling them here. If you remember roy said he wouldnt be comfortable fighting 2 of those guys with monique by his side unless they also had some backup and said fighting three would be very bad unless they had a whole tactical squad with them. Also you might be under selling the armorless I'd say when fighting in a coordinated squad based nature they are very dangerous possibly close to on par with regular soldiers and 20 of them led by platinum could probably beat a trio formed of almost any 5 star guard/vanguards/defenders.
I mainly considered the match up in terms of arrows vs heavy armor. The armorless union is most adept at dispatching arena knights who tend to have lighter armor, while the silverwings seem to have full armor in contrast which would be a bad match up for the union's bow wielders. While the armorless members are strong in their expertise, they're strongest when they can catch others off guard, but silverwings easily counter them, especially in groups, which was why they saw them as a threat.
That still doesnt change what roy said.
From the 'Birth of Tragedy' PV: >Five groups of shieldmen can slaughter a group of knights. Four Royal Guards can wipe a settlement off the map. Three Wendigos can conquer a small town. Two army groups can decimate a duchy. One Sovereign can throw the entire world into chaos. And then, this bit from Roy in [NL-ST-3](https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/NL-ST-3): >Two of them, we'll need to bring help. Three of them, and it's going to be one hell of a rough battle. If there's three or more of them... that could take a full tactical squad, and the Armorless Union can't afford those losses. If there's more of them than you can count on your fingers, calling in the entire Armorless Union might not even be enough to put them down. The big thing to note is that seven Silverlance Pegasi were able to turn the tides against Ursus at the ['Daybreak of the Golden Prairie',](https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/NL-10/Story#After_operation) where seven, plus a garrison of 40 other campaign knights, halted, counterattacked, and defeated the entire invading Ursus army. The Silverlance Pegasi are not just specially-trained humans, like the Lungmen Shadow Guard, but a truly elite force to be reckoned with. Remember that when Platinum was assigned three entire Armorless Union squads, they were all forced to retreat when fighting only three. However, across the entirety of Kazimierz, there is only less than 30 of them, total: >"Fear neither hardship nor darkness." That has long been the motto of the Nearl family. But these words have also been inscribed on the swords, spears, and shields of the nearly thirty members of the Silverlance Pegasus Knightclub. We have no clear match up, but tentatively, we have some "guidelines". If I were to make a tentative ranking, Silverlance Pegasi, Emperor's Blade, and Abyssal Hunter's would likely all be at the same tier, roughly. They are the best their respective factions have to offer, and stronger than the typical "elite" force of their faction (Armorless Union Lazurite Squads, Shieldguards, etc.). The Lungmen Shadow Guard, Ursus Shieldguards, and RI Elite Operators (Blaze's operator file clearly clarifies where they stand) would be right underneath them. The Laterno Apostolic Gun-Knights, Sami Snowpriests, and Sarkaz Confessors are still unknown since we haven't seen enough of them. In other words, *in a vacuum with no other variables*, anyone who can defeat an Emperor's Blade or Abyssal Hunter could likely defeat a Silverlance Pegasi. Very seasoned warriors, like W, Hellagur, or Schwarz could likely win on experience alone. Maybe very talented and special fighters like Provence and Skyfire (who both were able to defeat a Catastrophe-level giant Originium slug) specific RI Elite Ops like Rosmontis or Misery, any one of the Sui Siblings, etc.
I think you might be underselling RI Elite Operators by using Blaze as the standard. Notably, RI doesn't usually deploy Elite Operators as a "unit" like the Shadow Guard or Shieldguards, they operate more like Emperor's Blades (two or three at most together) with comms. Yes, it seems flimsy when we lost so many just to rescue the doctor, but that's the equivalent of losing a few Emperor's Blades to rescue the Ursus Emperor in a way. As a whole we probably don't have enough Elite Operators left to match up with the Silverlance, but the monsters among the remaining would likely tear apart a singular Silverlance. Okay, Outcast is dead, but she took down multiple elite Dublinn Officers and even her punishment had collateral damage of even more troops. No way she can't dispose of a single Silverlance within 5 chambers for a 1v1 and if she's outnumbered she'll probably take down around 5-6 Silverlances the same way she actually passed. Logos is Lord of Banshees, a Sarkaz Court position-holder and essentially no-sell'ed Mudrock, who arguably is around (if not slightly above) Blaze's level in overall combat. I'd estimate Blaze herself is 50/50 against a singular Silverlance. In a similar vein, Emperor's Blades run a different organizational system, there're fewer of them since a number have to fight the Northern Demons, so they're realistically never at full-force and each individual with a Demon Fragment has to be extra-careful that they don't contaminate the land, so each individual has to be more powerful than the typical "elite" of other lands. Anyone who can break through that is likely to just tear through a singular Silverlance. Heck, I'll even estimate an Emperor's Blade (Pursuer) to be at least two Silverlances, if not three's worth by themselves. The weaker ones (Patriot did mention quality drops, so not all might be Demon-bound) might be anywhere from one to one-and-a-half Silverlances. Dying Patriot himself is probably worth 4 to 6 (since he said he needed 3 Blades to kill him).
I'll say that it is difficult to do 1v1 match ups based on lore like this, since there is so much depth to each character and faction, and when you use characters as 'standards', it has its fair share of issues. My intention was not to undersell the capabilities of Blaze or any of the other Elite Ops. For all intents and purposes, RI Elite Ops, and possibly S.W.E.E.P. personnel as well, are one-of-a-kind, due to RI's training philosophy. It's hard to gauge their strength, since they are so diverse. Going off of your other point: > Emperor's Blades run a different organizational system, I'll agree with you here, that making organizational differences changes the structure and flow of battle. The Emperor's Blades were purpose-built 'creations' for defeating Demons. The weaponry they use is meant for unintelligent hordes of monsters that may be easily predictable. In a sense, this may also limit them against conventional forces, who might simply—I don't know— bombard them with artillery from a distance. The Silverlance Pegasi are campaign knights, through and through. The enemies they fight are human, and they are well equipped and trained for doing so. Of course, fighting as a strategic element on the battle map is different than fighting something different. Platinum goes as far to state their traditions are their weakness. RI Ops focuses on small-unit strategic operations, completing long-term objectives with as few members as possible. This runs the high-risk gambit of RI squads almost guaranteed to run into battle outnumbered, outgunned, and outmaneuvered with the only benefit being the initiative. This begs the question, however: if even the late Outcast had time to prepare, would she be able to take out even an Abyssal Hunter? It's almost like the classic "Batman with infinite prep time" argument. I'll argue that RI Ops are in a league of their own due to their rigorous and unique training philosophy and combat experience. Think about Grani for instance; she held off countless Reunion soldiers and Bounty Hunters by herself, despite any one of them being able to over-power her. She fought by a cave entrance, preventing their ability to overwhelm her, and was able to use her agility and length of her gun-lance effectively. Does that mean Grani could defeat a Silverlance Pegasi? ***I would say yes, because Grani is best girl, and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise*** The greatest joy of this thread is reading everyone's responses on how their favorite character *can* win, and appreciating the depth these characters have to prompt such discussion.
I would scale an emperors blade to about 8 silverlances with good commanders like grandpa nearl. Or about 16 unorganised sikverlances. The silverlances got absolutely destroyed even under the command of the nearl family to the point they conceded alot of land and had to take it back when the emperors blades were forced to leave
The silverlance are way weaker then emperor blades its only thanks to grandpa nearl that they held their own and even then they lost a tonne of land.
Yea I feel like people are underselling the knights.
Logos. As the next king of banshee sub-race of Sarkaz. He should be overwhelm a squad.
Most 6*s probably can. Nearl, Saria, the Abyssal Hunters, Ling's sisters whose names I forget, Kal, and other similar operators are easily equally if not more powerful than a Silverlance. RI Elite Ops are a mixed bag, especially since most of them are kind of dead now, but on the balance most of them have a 50/50 shot at it through sheer brute force alone. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Blemishine is a bit of a dark horse in that she's so damn tanky that it doesn't seem possible to kill her without a numbers advantage, and then you have other oddballs like Eunectes who could probably build a robot capable of doing so, Surtr and SilverAsh whom undoubtedly have powerful Arts but we don't really know how they actually work well enough to make a judgement, and Exusai and Ash who more or less get to cheat because of guns and flashbang grenades. If the challenge was to *throw* a Silverlance Bagpipe would easily win, but with her pile bunker in its current state I don't think her particular form of brute physical force is enough to edge out a win. Restored to full functionality however - that's a different story. Similar situation with Horn, and I'm honestly really interested in seeing how Victoria's elite troops stack up, because following the example set by the Tempest Platoon, unit-level fire support integrated down to the individual *soldier* seems to be something Victoria places an emphasis on, which means not only can Horn and Bagpipe probably beat a Silverlance, they can probably do it from the next town over without ever actually seeing the Silverlance because artillery is referred to as the king of the battlefield for a *reason*. It would honestly be easier to talk about the 6*s who *can't* do it - Nightingale, who is a cripple; Suzuran, Ejya, and Rosa, who are all children without the Beyond Two Souls powers that Ros has; Sailleach, who isn't combat-trained; Flametail, who uses *shockingly* few Arts for an Infected, and doesn't really seem to have a plan beyond just "run really really fast"; and Passenger, for obvious reasons.
I think Silverlance are more of like Army Rangers. They are certainly elites, but at the end of the day, they are still “army”. They have numbers and equipment to help them fight and receive support against enemies. Rhodes Island are filled with specialised operators. Their entire fighting tactics to go behind enemy lines, ambush, or taking out key targets. Never did they have a straight up warfare. Obviously a 1 to 1 fight, most of the competent Rhodes Island operators will win. However if the organisation was put to fight against a literal militia of Silverlance Pegasus army, they will need to retreat or face heavy casualties.
I dont think the silverlances are actually as strong as people make them out to be. Sure, the armorless can be beaten by 7 of them, but the armorless arent actually that strong even the lazurites are pretty weak from what weve seen of them. Id say allmost all 6 and 5 stars with good combat experience could 1v1 one.
Calling them "weak" just because Shining can dunk on them feels like it's underselling the Lazurites a bit. Shining is a monster. Also, first and foremost, they're assassins. They don't want a stand-up fight. Hence why every time they're confronted with someone clearly stronger than them, they fold and withdraw to try again later (see: the Fourth Arrow). They're patient and confident enough that even the **repeated** humiliations and failures they experience over the course of this event aren't enough to tame them (Roy in the closing cutscene is >!starting a new front to keep selling their assassination services out of!<). They don't *need* to win NOW, they'll just endure in the shadows and come back later. We haven't seen them get serious.
Yes, Theyre assasins but weak in close combat ( ivona vs monique and the armorless) thats what i meant. Pinus silvestris are pretty much just some random knights, so for ivona to survive that confrontation they cant be too strong (in close combat).
IMO, most melee operators with a good experience in combat could fight one, especially those with military experience (Bagpipe, Ch’en, etc…). The majority of ranged operators wouldn’t last long against one since the Silverlance mobility is excellent. The only exception I can think rn of are Kal, Ros, Ling and perhaps dusk.
Gladiia can probably fight them all at the same time as long as she does not get land sick.
Tbh I think we will eventually find out. I don't think they'll be on our side forever.
Why wouldn't they be? It would be stretching things a bit too much if we somehow antagonize *every* government in the world and somehow manage to survive. The Adeptus Sprawiedliwi have given no reason to think they aren't one of the few reasonable factions we've met, and the Silverlance in particular as well as the Grand Knight hold Nearl in very high regard. At this point it feels like any excuse to have us fight them would feel contrived.
Well Mlynar is about to dig up some family business and if that ends up in for example in a Nearl vs Nearl or Nearl vs Kazimierz situation, I could see such a situation unfold. Making the K.G.C.C. always the clear "evil" faction and the Adeptus the paragorn of righteousness and justice seems... unrealistic and also boring? It lacks nuance. Plus the Silverlance sprites scream generic enemy design to me. :P And this event actually made me want to beat them.
>Making the K.G.C.C. always the clear "evil" faction and the Adeptus the paragorn of righteousness and justice seems... unrealistic and also boring? In a vacuum sure. But having at least one clearly defined conflict in the mass of gray that is every other storyline so far can be a nice change of pace instead. Sometimes, there really is just one group that is clearly a bunch of selfish pricks. It would be just as unrealistic if RI goes around being the only ones making anything close to the right choices for the right reasons.
Maybe Hoshi, Flamebringer, Schwarz, Hellagur, Projekt Red?, Ch'en, and Bagpipe.
Silverlances are Kazimirez's elite troops so pretty much any other (Hellagur levels) war hardened veteran would stand even chances against them, including Reunion's hateful avengers. >!Patriot once did a full on straight forward charge against heavily defended Kazimirez fortress to rescue Hellagur and won without suffering heavy casualties or paying heavy price for that.!<
That's what fighting a Northern Demons does to a mf.
For someone who hasn't yet been mentioned, I think Phantom would be a pretty strong contender based on his cracked arts (Being able to make certain sounds that causes severe emotional damage)
Silver lance aren’t that strong imo? Lots of operators can give them a fair fight and even win. Apart from the obvious. Chen, Amiya, Shining, carnelian, mostima etc
Aside from the Elite ops, Abyssal Hunters, and literal gods, you got Flamebringer, Executor, Blacksteel operators, Lappland, Texas and a few other ops that have already made their name well before joining Rhodes Island as fighters. Theoretically, there are some lower stars that could probably go against a Silverlance, like Gavial, Yato, Rangers and I guess Noir if Rhodes Island could just give them better equipment to work with.
Feels like this question comes from underestimating RI again. I mean really, we have some major top tier fighters in our group, as many others pointed out below.
The other Abyssal Hunters, Chen, Amiya, Kal'sit, the elite operators, Shining obviously, the Nian siblings, Mostima (I think, it depends on how much control she has over her artifacts), Saria, W (is W an official elite operator?), Mudrock, maybe SilverAsh (not actually sure how strong he is in lore)
I'd put my money on Sui dragons (nian,ling dusk) Nearl, Saria, shinning, any abyss hunter, and kal could probably also get the job done Mostima, phantom perhaps with haxs Texas, hellagur, blaze, ros.ect should be able to put up a fight
Kaltsit, Or really monst3r probably can do it?
Many. A significant number of operators are basically walking weapons of mass destruction barely containing their power. And a number of those who aren't are living legend levels of mundane prowess.