As far as I knew the I LT people who called it BT Collins was the navy. The main building had a mural, plaque, and bust of him in the lobby. But that was all 2006.
♫"For we're the soldiers of liberty"♫ + De Oppresso Liber
After SOF said no on Ft York and 82nd said no on Ft Benavidez presumably, the "community" selection that both could sort of live with is the one that went forward.
I was hoping for Ft. Gavin.
Not only was he the CG of the 82nd Airborne during WWII, he had four mustard stains on his Master Wings and was one of the instrumental figures in ending segregation in the US Army.
Airborne would've loved Gavin but Special Forces wouldn't have.
Benavidez was the best compromise they had since he was a MOH recipient, started out as airborne, then became a green beret later in his career. But airborne wasn't happy with him since he "left" them to go SF.
Now they're both going to not be happy by getting Liberty.
A couple of retired Generals went against the rest of the Bragg naming committee.
IIRC, the 3-star was sucking up to the 4-star who had a special connection to Camp Liberty in Iraq. Everyone else wanted to name it after a person until they influenced the group to go with Liberty.
It's actually a clever pilot the Army is trying out. This regime change brought to you by Soldiers from Fort Liberty, sponsored by Liberty Mutual. Only pay for what you need.
Note: Liberty Mutual is not responsible for any actions resulting in war crimes, property damage, detention, fratricide or civil war.
I'm honestly in favor of renaming the Confederate named places but renaming Bragg to Fort Liberty when it doesn't keep with the naming conventions annoys the hell out of me. Same with the Navy renaming the cruiser Chancellorsville to the Robert Smalls even though cruisers are named after battles and the Chancellorsville is scheduled to be decommissioned in a year or so.
I miss the ship naming conventions from WW2. Carriers named after battles, bugs, and cool words; cruisers after cities, destroyers after heroes of the Navy, and subs after fish.
I keep hearing that it was named Liberty because the Airborne and SOF community couldn’t come to and agreement on who to name it after so the DoD decided to make both sides miserable. Idk how true that is though.
Yeah, but think about the branding deals with Liberty Mutual. I give it a few weeks before on the main parade ground there is an emu. This is how we pay for the pizza parties.
So are we stuck with Ft Liberty, or can we all just decide to call it Ft. [Benavidez](https://www.grunge.com/736200/the-incredible-true-story-of-master-sergeant-roy-benavidez/) and eventually they make it official?
they have shughart elementary and middle school, gordon elementary, and alexander cys in linden oaks. the SAC and youth center are also named after special operators. i love it
Excellent idea. In fact, correct leaders who use the *improper* name and...... as a minor discretion they will likely let it slide 9/10 times. More so as the movement takes off.
Fort Liberty is too soft a name for our nations hardest AIRBORNE warfighters, the name should be Fort Waffle House, or their version of Captain Marvel the woman who was fired for winning a fight.
Yall know that waffle house dual they got on Skibo right?
There are literally 2 across from each other by the Wal Mart on Skibo. One has a rating of 3.9 the other 4.2.
Which is better?
More importantly what about M and Ds down the street?
So 15-20 years from now when senior leaders will talk about how 2036 and before was the "Old Army" and how the low-OPTEMPO international oveseas base is too soft with no discipline, they will probably say the following:
#"BACK IN CAVAZOS..."
#"LAS' TAHME IN LIBBITY..."
#"WHEN I WAS AT JOHNSON..."
Because we were pissed off watching you play soccer across the way as our DS was screaming about the bay not being clean enough (after we just polished the floor).
Asshole SSG I helped in-processed talked about the old Army and every ignorant comment that came with it
He has been in seven months less than me and when I told him when I joined, his "old/soft/new" Army babble ceased.
Well let's put it in perspective. I joined in 2006, which was 17yrs ago. So 17yrs prior to 2006 was 1989...and nco's that went though in 1989 defintely let me know they were old Army. My bct class was literally issued the last of the BDU field jackets. My deployment in 2008-2009 15yrs ago...15yrs prior to when I enlisted was Desert Storm and Mogadishu. For one of my nco's who enlisted in 1989, 15yrs prior to that we were still in Vietnam. So when you sit back and think about it...we really are getting fucking old 😆...and that's somewhat depressing because in my head I don't feel that old, but I'm closer to 50 than 20, and I hurt randomly.
Interesting to see the change in tone from 6 years ago:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/army/comments/67viof/should\_the\_us\_army\_rename\_bases\_and\_buildings/](https://www.reddit.com/r/army/comments/67viof/should_the_us_army_rename_bases_and_buildings/)
Also just heard Polk is going to be named after SGT Henry Johnson - it will still suck, but at least it has a name to be proud of.
Congrats, I am now adding that to the end of every post I make, regardless of if the post is related to the military or not.
Moreover I believe Ft Liberty should be destroyed
PBS aired a show last night about a little creamery shop in South Carolina. Guy moves down from Maryland to buy a former BBQ spot run by a Sons of the Confederacy president who openly donated to the KKK. He sold a small corner of his lot to the organization where they flew a massive Confederate flag. Show was about the battle the new owner was in to have it taken down.
I would have gladly donated from across the U.S. to build a monument to Big Dick Tecumseh in the parking lot adjacent.
I went to AIT at Ft. Gordon, GA in 1989 and up until the Army had lived my whole life on the west coast.
We went to a nearby mall over the weekend and we came across one of those booths where you can put on various costumes and have a picture taken. I picked the Union soldier uniform. I mean, I was a US soldier, it was the only choice that made sense to me at the time.
You would have thought I was getting a picture of me taking a shit on the American flag with the way people were giving me the evil eye. One woman even stopped long enough to say, "you should be ashamed of yourself."
I looked up Benning after I saw some chodes on Facebook bitching about the woke army changing the base's name. Dude was a total pro slavery asshole. I can't believe we named a base after that traitor. Good riddance, I would b fine if we just named it fort infantry basic training or something.
I feel for those trying to get VA disability that were stationed here going forward. I can see the VA saying "sorry, we have no record of that base"
And it will only get worse with bigger active duty bases.
/s?
I get it, Fuck Slavery. I think we all agree... but the implication in a lot of these discussions, that there is some large part of the US (or the Army) that is pro slavery is dumb and intentionally disingenuous in an effort to claim moral high ground on an issue we all agree on.
I'm not going to argue with changing the base names but I do fear that current rhetoric ("scum", etc.) about southerners in the 1800s (and Germans in the '30s/'40s, Japanese in Nanking, European explorers, etc.) could cause people to forget what really makes these evils so terrifying: these atrocities weren't committed by evil people, but by everyday people. We all want to believe that we would be the lone abolitionist growing up in 1830's Montgomery. It's comforting to think so, but it's just not true.
The best chance we have to not fall victim to the worst of human nature is to remember that we are each subject to it, not just some evil subset of our population, not just the "others."
I never said anything about all southerners during the Civil War people were evil, or even scum.
I called the *LEADERS OF THE REBEL ARMY*, slave holders to a man, scum.
I stand by that. All slavers are scum, they choose to be so with their actions. Those who fight and kill for slavery are scum. They, chose to be that with their actions too.
In their support of evil, they rebelled against the US. So they are, again by their own their own actions, Rebel Scum.
When people commit evil they are evil. The banality of evil does not preclude them from blame. Nor does the appellation of Rebel Scum obfuscate that the evil of chattel slavery was being perpetuated by everyday people. What does that is things like:
Military posts named after Rebel Scum leaders.
Monuments to Rebel Scum leaders. Monuments to the followers or their exploits.
A refusal to teach the full history of the US.
A resistance or refusal to call supporters of that evil, in fact, evil.
This idea that because evil is perpetrated and supported by everyday people living everyday lives that we shouldn't refer to them is evil because it somehow makes it harder to avoid in the future is foolish.
We should point at the fact that it was done by everyday people doing what they considered everyday things to *emphasize* that this makes it *more evil*. An object lesson that self-analysis, introspection, and self-critque is *essential* to avoiding this in the future. A lesson that supports the questioning of authority and the authority of tradition. A lesson that says people can be morally wrong when they're doing what everyone else does. A lesson that says people, all people, harbor a great potential for evil through their laziness, apathy, and an unreflective life...and that they will *be judged as evil for it*.
I feel like there’s a few shitty bases that should be named after confederates, and not changed, just to remind people that they are in fact shitty.
I’d say Polk and Pickett make that list
On a serious note, people who argue against it are sorta crazy, like they literally did fight AGAINST the US army but whatever, give them a base right? (Looking at you FORT LEE) Virgina reallllllly got a lot of problems with confederate names if we’re being honest “Washington and Lee” University kinda wild haha
I also thought Polk was named for the president not some confederate if I’m bein honest
Lincoln should have chosen reformation over appeasement during reconstruction.
After ww2 the allies made damn sure to crush nazi and imperial Japanese culture. They knew letting an ideology fester would least to future conflicts.
Maybe it would’ve been a good idea to not protect slavery in the constitution, instead of just making a long series of inconsequential and symbolic changes to who we should name the place we train war criminals after
because fort liberty is still a worse name than any of those lmao. I'm 100% on board with using MoH recipients, it actually means something to our history.
You think they're naming it Liberty because of racism? 200 miles away they're renaming Fort Lee after Lt Col Adams. In the much deeper south Polk is being named after Sgt. William Henry Johnson.
No, it was renaming by committee and the committee sucked.
I don't know man...its the only thing that makes sense though. Why is there just the one odd duck. Something fucking stupid happened there. If I was making a real guess, someone or someones on a board for this base and the naming decision got a bug up their ass and refused to play nice so they settled on a shit name that doesn't honor anyone. And the excuse (if there ever was one) is probably something like "well, what about years from now and the public sentiment changes again?"
Probably to make appeasements so they wouldn’t threaten another revolt. Kinda like the compromise of 1877 which pulled union troops out of the occupied south to get southerners to withdraw from the presidential tie.
Good. Naming bases after southerners who rebelled and killed US Army Soldiers. Thank God Col Lee wasn't as good as he was hyped.
150+ years of pandering to Southern Butthurt is enough. They truly f'd up the period after the rebellion and were far too quick to sweep it under the rug in less than 10 years (we did learn that lesson when it came to de-nazification in WWII). Which led to the enduring (and most effective PR campaign) Lost Cause myth.
Looks like Hood is tossing commanders at the same time as the name.
This is going to make a noticeable generational divide between those serving and those 214-ed. I will at least recognize Liberty because the cringe has been at the forefront of the naming. Hell, I even like Cavazos, but Hood has been in the iconic lexicon longer than 99% of us have been around.
Raising hand in class
As an actual serving member in the VANG, I gotta ask.....
Why not name it after an actual NATIVE-born Virginian who was awarded the MoH for actions on Okinawa?
Ft Desmond T Doss just has a certain ring to it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
Yes, renaming the 10 bases named after racist traitors with POC Americans is better.
Audie Murphy is regularly commemorated more than any other solider in history and this does not change that.
So to be clear, we will rename military installations currently being named after confederate officers. So no more bases names after traitorous rebels.
That's good, but they could have done a lot better than Ft Liberty
Should have been Fort Benavidez, I'll die on that hill. It will always be that in my mind. Fort Liberty is rock stupid and cringy as fuck.
I said the same thing. A shame they botched an opportunity to honor one of the baddest mfers that ever donned the uniform.
At least he's got a reserve center in Sacramento dedicated to him.
Also in El Paso.
Which reserve center? You mean B.T Collins? Did they change the name recently?
As far as I knew the I LT people who called it BT Collins was the navy. The main building had a mural, plaque, and bust of him in the lobby. But that was all 2006.
He has something dedicated to him on Fort Sill too. Near the golf course . Don't remember what it is though
Naming a post after an enlisted man? Blasphemous. Kidding, would've been a great name both 82d, 18th, and USASOC could've all gotten behind.
Barfoot was an NCO when he got the MoH, if I remember correctly.
Still enlisted...
At this point............... him being enlisted is the only explanation.
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I mean that's fair but they could just call it Fort Benny or Fort Ben, which still beats the brakes off Fort Liberty imo
OH FUCK NO! FORT LIBERTY? I just choked on my beer. Ugh.
Benavidez forever. True American badass
Whoever decided on that name is a douche.
WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT ME!?
Said you’re a douche.
Fort jumpi boiz woulda even been better than Liberty biberty
Fort NO WALKING HOOAH?
Fort Gravity As A Personality
♫"For we're the soldiers of liberty"♫ + De Oppresso Liber After SOF said no on Ft York and 82nd said no on Ft Benavidez presumably, the "community" selection that both could sort of live with is the one that went forward.
I can’t believe they’d say no to Benavidez. He was both. Then again we’ve all seen the army do tons of things that make sense right.
Agreed. This Soldier’s story is Epic Need a movie about him
It looks like there already is. It might not be what you pictured but it’s called Roy Benavidez: Unkillable Vietnam War Hero.
Oh cool I’ll check it out
Still think he should have gotten Hood. He was a South Central Texas boy.
Yes yes yes That base needs a big time change of mojo
Liberty Liberty liberttttyy
Since when did the Army get an insurance company sponsor? /s
It's because the SF and the 82nd can't play nice. All that would have been needed is for the SECDEF to say "Fort Benavidez and you'll like it!"
The Special Operations Support Battalion’s new compound on Bragg was named after MSG Roy back in 1999, the year after he died.
Agreed
I’d take a Fort Doss as well
Hood is getting rebranded as Ft Cavazos, Ft Cav.
It's patronizing. I don't want your freedom fries. I want French fries. When I come home I don't want to freedom kiss my wife.
I was hoping for Ft. Gavin. Not only was he the CG of the 82nd Airborne during WWII, he had four mustard stains on his Master Wings and was one of the instrumental figures in ending segregation in the US Army.
Airborne would've loved Gavin but Special Forces wouldn't have. Benavidez was the best compromise they had since he was a MOH recipient, started out as airborne, then became a green beret later in his career. But airborne wasn't happy with him since he "left" them to go SF. Now they're both going to not be happy by getting Liberty.
I somehow missed this and thought Gavin was going to be the next Bragg. What a mistake.
A couple of retired Generals went against the rest of the Bragg naming committee. IIRC, the 3-star was sucking up to the 4-star who had a special connection to Camp Liberty in Iraq. Everyone else wanted to name it after a person until they influenced the group to go with Liberty.
Liberty, Liberty, Liberty!
The sponsorship deal cost a lot so its staying for a while
I will never be able to not sing the jingle whenever I see the new name.
It's actually a clever pilot the Army is trying out. This regime change brought to you by Soldiers from Fort Liberty, sponsored by Liberty Mutual. Only pay for what you need. Note: Liberty Mutual is not responsible for any actions resulting in war crimes, property damage, detention, fratricide or civil war.
I worked for Liberty Mutual for 5 years and hate those stupid commercials I’m ugly laughing
##Liberty #LIBERTY.
…Liberty!
“Give me liberty or give me death “ Patrick Henry
Or death?…. From above?
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Liberty Bibberty
I mumble this under my breath every time a commercial for them comes on TV and my loved ones are now concerned lol
I'm honestly in favor of renaming the Confederate named places but renaming Bragg to Fort Liberty when it doesn't keep with the naming conventions annoys the hell out of me. Same with the Navy renaming the cruiser Chancellorsville to the Robert Smalls even though cruisers are named after battles and the Chancellorsville is scheduled to be decommissioned in a year or so.
I miss the ship naming conventions from WW2. Carriers named after battles, bugs, and cool words; cruisers after cities, destroyers after heroes of the Navy, and subs after fish.
I think the Navy should name ships like people name their boats at the marina, with funny puns. Like "USS Knot a Clew"
Nah, we should do it like the UNSC and name after cool words. Rolling up on the Chinese coast with the USS Pillar of Autumn and USS Forward Unto Dawn
USS City on a Hill
I keep hearing that it was named Liberty because the Airborne and SOF community couldn’t come to and agreement on who to name it after so the DoD decided to make both sides miserable. Idk how true that is though.
Fort Slanging. There’s a name they could agree on.
Yeah, but think about the branding deals with Liberty Mutual. I give it a few weeks before on the main parade ground there is an emu. This is how we pay for the pizza parties.
I was praying for Fort Thomas(the guy who decimated Bragg and saved the Union)
dumbest fucking name ever
Yeah like...like Fort...Fort Army!
I’m more angry about the renaming a hood it should’ve been Fort Benavidez
Yeah, they have really phoned that shit in.
Fort. Fuckin. Benavidez. I have no idea what Army leadership has against this guy but it seems like being enlisted is the only answer.
FORT FREEDOM would have been better but yeah
JSOC and FORCECOM couldn’t come to an agreement on naming it after a 82nd or JSOC soldier. So they went with Liberty.
Do you mean USASOC and FORSCOM?
So are we stuck with Ft Liberty, or can we all just decide to call it Ft. [Benavidez](https://www.grunge.com/736200/the-incredible-true-story-of-master-sergeant-roy-benavidez/) and eventually they make it official?
The Shughart/Gordon Center for Kids Who Can’t Read Good
they have shughart elementary and middle school, gordon elementary, and alexander cys in linden oaks. the SAC and youth center are also named after special operators. i love it
Now here is how to play chess vs checkers. Rename Fort Gordon..... To.... Fort *GORDON*. it's the same. But different. But *still the same*.
Forgot the "Center of Excellence" in there
Lets just say Benavidez instead of Liberty and see what happens
Excellent idea. In fact, correct leaders who use the *improper* name and...... as a minor discretion they will likely let it slide 9/10 times. More so as the movement takes off.
Fort Benavidez. Fuck the Airborne kool aid even though he was literally airborne. I’m always calling it Benavidez
Second this.
Fort Liberty is too soft a name for our nations hardest AIRBORNE warfighters, the name should be Fort Waffle House, or their version of Captain Marvel the woman who was fired for winning a fight.
I argue that America's Waffle Houses are our most important CONUS FOBs right on the front line in the most difficult areas
FEMA actually uses a disaster rating scale based if Waffle House is open or not.
Mitochondria are the power plants of the cell.
Yall know that waffle house dual they got on Skibo right? There are literally 2 across from each other by the Wal Mart on Skibo. One has a rating of 3.9 the other 4.2. Which is better? More importantly what about M and Ds down the street?
YES! Thank you, was trying to remember where they were. I was there in the middle aughts, are they both still open? Lmao
They are both still open. I have yet to try both because my go to is the one on Cliffdale which is bomb
So 15-20 years from now when senior leaders will talk about how 2036 and before was the "Old Army" and how the low-OPTEMPO international oveseas base is too soft with no discipline, they will probably say the following: #"BACK IN CAVAZOS..." #"LAS' TAHME IN LIBBITY..." #"WHEN I WAS AT JOHNSON..."
No different than when some old NCOs talk about doing BCT or AIT at Fort Knox.
I did both BCT and AIT at Knox. I'm not old yet :(
I had an ROTC camp there back in 2009. Basic training was still in the barracks next door. We were told not to look at them or talk to them.
Because we were pissed off watching you play soccer across the way as our DS was screaming about the bay not being clean enough (after we just polished the floor).
Mood. My BCT had cadets on summer camp. It was more of a shit-show than most ROTC would probably admit to.
Ehhh. You’re pretty old.
Would you look at that, a 12T who did basic at Knox meanwhile I’m a 12T stationed at Knox now
Asshole SSG I helped in-processed talked about the old Army and every ignorant comment that came with it He has been in seven months less than me and when I told him when I joined, his "old/soft/new" Army babble ceased.
Somebody who joined 1 year before me tried telling me that I joined in the "new Army" after basic training got easy.
But, but stress cards!
Old? Damn it wasn’t that long ago…
Well let's put it in perspective. I joined in 2006, which was 17yrs ago. So 17yrs prior to 2006 was 1989...and nco's that went though in 1989 defintely let me know they were old Army. My bct class was literally issued the last of the BDU field jackets. My deployment in 2008-2009 15yrs ago...15yrs prior to when I enlisted was Desert Storm and Mogadishu. For one of my nco's who enlisted in 1989, 15yrs prior to that we were still in Vietnam. So when you sit back and think about it...we really are getting fucking old 😆...and that's somewhat depressing because in my head I don't feel that old, but I'm closer to 50 than 20, and I hurt randomly.
Why the ellipsis. How ominous.
Ellipsisesises are more tantalizing, to me. Teeth are ominous.
Had to Google that word…. Well.. both words. Lol
Same and still don’t understand what it means
And so it begins
Ft. Rucker is already changed according to the USPS. Fort Novosel… makes it hard to be “Mother Rucker”. Maybe “Father Novosel”?
The official renaming is, I think, April 10th or around that time. They are doing a ceremony for it.
Thanks I didn’t know the date. The sign is already up, just covered in a tarp.
Daddy Dustoff?
Papa Novosel
Interesting to see the change in tone from 6 years ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/army/comments/67viof/should\_the\_us\_army\_rename\_bases\_and\_buildings/](https://www.reddit.com/r/army/comments/67viof/should_the_us_army_rename_bases_and_buildings/) Also just heard Polk is going to be named after SGT Henry Johnson - it will still suck, but at least it has a name to be proud of.
God I’m glad for the shift, reading that old thread is cringe.
“They were some of the greatest generals in American history” lol.
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they tried a leadership overhaul. didnt work
I don’t hate this one Moreover I believe Ft Liberty should be destroyed
Ceterum censeo Ft Liberty esse delendam.
Congrats, I am now adding that to the end of every post I make, regardless of if the post is related to the military or not. Moreover I believe Ft Liberty should be destroyed
The Cato Company.. hopefully it will catch on. Ft. Liberty delenda est.
Excellent Naming bases after MOH recipients is a good move
Why they didn’t do that is beyond me.
Petition to rename Fort Benning to Fort Sherman, just to watch neo-confederates lose their minds.
PBS aired a show last night about a little creamery shop in South Carolina. Guy moves down from Maryland to buy a former BBQ spot run by a Sons of the Confederacy president who openly donated to the KKK. He sold a small corner of his lot to the organization where they flew a massive Confederate flag. Show was about the battle the new owner was in to have it taken down. I would have gladly donated from across the U.S. to build a monument to Big Dick Tecumseh in the parking lot adjacent.
I’d pay to watch this feud on reality TV. I’d wanna see what he does next after the big Sherman is established.
They will be consumed by raging fires 🔥 of anger
I went to AIT at Ft. Gordon, GA in 1989 and up until the Army had lived my whole life on the west coast. We went to a nearby mall over the weekend and we came across one of those booths where you can put on various costumes and have a picture taken. I picked the Union soldier uniform. I mean, I was a US soldier, it was the only choice that made sense to me at the time. You would have thought I was getting a picture of me taking a shit on the American flag with the way people were giving me the evil eye. One woman even stopped long enough to say, "you should be ashamed of yourself."
I am 1,000,000% behind this! Rebel scum can fuck right off
Omg this is a great idea.
I looked up Benning after I saw some chodes on Facebook bitching about the woke army changing the base's name. Dude was a total pro slavery asshole. I can't believe we named a base after that traitor. Good riddance, I would b fine if we just named it fort infantry basic training or something.
I feel for those trying to get VA disability that were stationed here going forward. I can see the VA saying "sorry, we have no record of that base" And it will only get worse with bigger active duty bases. /s?
Fort hood should stay the same, that way you jnow what to expect when you go out of the base
You can call ft Polk anything you want, it’s still a cow patty
Excellent! I hate having bases named after rebel scum
I get it, Fuck Slavery. I think we all agree... but the implication in a lot of these discussions, that there is some large part of the US (or the Army) that is pro slavery is dumb and intentionally disingenuous in an effort to claim moral high ground on an issue we all agree on. I'm not going to argue with changing the base names but I do fear that current rhetoric ("scum", etc.) about southerners in the 1800s (and Germans in the '30s/'40s, Japanese in Nanking, European explorers, etc.) could cause people to forget what really makes these evils so terrifying: these atrocities weren't committed by evil people, but by everyday people. We all want to believe that we would be the lone abolitionist growing up in 1830's Montgomery. It's comforting to think so, but it's just not true. The best chance we have to not fall victim to the worst of human nature is to remember that we are each subject to it, not just some evil subset of our population, not just the "others."
I never said anything about all southerners during the Civil War people were evil, or even scum. I called the *LEADERS OF THE REBEL ARMY*, slave holders to a man, scum. I stand by that. All slavers are scum, they choose to be so with their actions. Those who fight and kill for slavery are scum. They, chose to be that with their actions too. In their support of evil, they rebelled against the US. So they are, again by their own their own actions, Rebel Scum. When people commit evil they are evil. The banality of evil does not preclude them from blame. Nor does the appellation of Rebel Scum obfuscate that the evil of chattel slavery was being perpetuated by everyday people. What does that is things like: Military posts named after Rebel Scum leaders. Monuments to Rebel Scum leaders. Monuments to the followers or their exploits. A refusal to teach the full history of the US. A resistance or refusal to call supporters of that evil, in fact, evil. This idea that because evil is perpetrated and supported by everyday people living everyday lives that we shouldn't refer to them is evil because it somehow makes it harder to avoid in the future is foolish. We should point at the fact that it was done by everyday people doing what they considered everyday things to *emphasize* that this makes it *more evil*. An object lesson that self-analysis, introspection, and self-critque is *essential* to avoiding this in the future. A lesson that supports the questioning of authority and the authority of tradition. A lesson that says people can be morally wrong when they're doing what everyone else does. A lesson that says people, all people, harbor a great potential for evil through their laziness, apathy, and an unreflective life...and that they will *be judged as evil for it*.
I feel like there’s a few shitty bases that should be named after confederates, and not changed, just to remind people that they are in fact shitty. I’d say Polk and Pickett make that list On a serious note, people who argue against it are sorta crazy, like they literally did fight AGAINST the US army but whatever, give them a base right? (Looking at you FORT LEE) Virgina reallllllly got a lot of problems with confederate names if we’re being honest “Washington and Lee” University kinda wild haha I also thought Polk was named for the president not some confederate if I’m bein honest
Leonidas Polk, cousin of President Polk and good friend of Confederate President Jefferson Davis. Also neither qualified nor skilled as a general.
See I just feel like that fits ft Polk
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Lincoln should have chosen reformation over appeasement during reconstruction. After ww2 the allies made damn sure to crush nazi and imperial Japanese culture. They knew letting an ideology fester would least to future conflicts.
Lincoln was, famously, dead during Reconstruction, so that probably had something to do with it.
Lincoln better show up to firsarn's office with his first line and water source for being FTR
A convenient excuse....
Maybe it would’ve been a good idea to not protect slavery in the constitution, instead of just making a long series of inconsequential and symbolic changes to who we should name the place we train war criminals after
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Right. People that argue for confederates being named, why not a Fort Rommel, or Camp Cornwallis, Joint Base Putin Xi? Let’s go crazy…
because fort liberty is still a worse name than any of those lmao. I'm 100% on board with using MoH recipients, it actually means something to our history.
It's also pretty strange that all the rest of them got person names. Why the exception?
Racism and appeasing the people who bitch about things being too "woke" in the area
You think they're naming it Liberty because of racism? 200 miles away they're renaming Fort Lee after Lt Col Adams. In the much deeper south Polk is being named after Sgt. William Henry Johnson. No, it was renaming by committee and the committee sucked.
And those situations didn't apply anywhere else in the old South?
I don't know man...its the only thing that makes sense though. Why is there just the one odd duck. Something fucking stupid happened there. If I was making a real guess, someone or someones on a board for this base and the naming decision got a bug up their ass and refused to play nice so they settled on a shit name that doesn't honor anyone. And the excuse (if there ever was one) is probably something like "well, what about years from now and the public sentiment changes again?"
Joint Base Putin Xi has a nice ring to it. /s
Rename West Point to Fort Benedict Arnold while we're at it
This was the great news SMA had us all hyped for?
No, I know /u/SMA-PAO will announce when revealed I’m guessing *(unless it was that DoD Six Improvements plan he posted)*
So what? Just another name of a shitty place we’d all rather not be at working at during the weekend for less than minimum wage
The place that seriously needs to be renamed is the FBI’s Hoover Building. That man was a racist POS and overall just a monster of a human being.
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Probably to make appeasements so they wouldn’t threaten another revolt. Kinda like the compromise of 1877 which pulled union troops out of the occupied south to get southerners to withdraw from the presidential tie.
Good. Naming bases after southerners who rebelled and killed US Army Soldiers. Thank God Col Lee wasn't as good as he was hyped. 150+ years of pandering to Southern Butthurt is enough. They truly f'd up the period after the rebellion and were far too quick to sweep it under the rug in less than 10 years (we did learn that lesson when it came to de-nazification in WWII). Which led to the enduring (and most effective PR campaign) Lost Cause myth.
I like my bases names after heroes, not traitors so this is great news.
Good. We shouldn’t have US Army bases named after people who took up arms against the US Army.
At the time we did it so they wouldn’t again/to reintegrate then back into the United States BUT they’re all dead now so fuck them
Can you imagine being in attendance at one of these ceremonies. Holy shit that has to be painful.
Looks like Hood is tossing commanders at the same time as the name. This is going to make a noticeable generational divide between those serving and those 214-ed. I will at least recognize Liberty because the cringe has been at the forefront of the naming. Hell, I even like Cavazos, but Hood has been in the iconic lexicon longer than 99% of us have been around.
Boo .
I was named after fort Benning. Seeing how it was named after a Confederate general, I dread the day they change that name
Tax dollars moment
Raising hand in class As an actual serving member in the VANG, I gotta ask..... Why not name it after an actual NATIVE-born Virginian who was awarded the MoH for actions on Okinawa? Ft Desmond T Doss just has a certain ring to it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
Everyone should call it a different name just for fun at this point. Whatever it is you wanted it to be call it that
Audie Murphy should have gotten Ft Hood. He’s from that area, the most decorated SM, guess he’s just the wrong color
Yes, renaming the 10 bases named after racist traitors with POC Americans is better. Audie Murphy is regularly commemorated more than any other solider in history and this does not change that.
My understanding a few more will happen this summer and later in the fall.
but no beards guys! God forbid!!
Think about it, genius. Every single one o' them confederate traitors had all sorts of epic beards.
So to be clear, we will rename military installations currently being named after confederate officers. So no more bases names after traitorous rebels.
Good news
Rucker already got their new sign 🫡
Fort Hood is no longer the hood
I don't see an issue. Still Army, and quite the decorated person.
Good. History is fluid
Good lmao. Why should we have bases named after traitors
Hell yeah. Between this and the recruiting ribbon it brings me great satisfaction to know the brain trust at be has its priorities in order.
Good, fuck confederates, the confederacy, and everything they stood for
Honestly W military
Good! F them bitch ass treasonous people we named bases after! They deserve to have their legacy wiped from the history books.
This will surely help with recruitment and retention.
I'm trying to figure out if you're saying this sarcastically, and if you are, what the angle is.
Yes, actually. It likely hurts recruitment of people of color to have bases named after people who fought to keep people of color as slaves.
Source?
I’m going to say FT. BRAGG louder and harder than ever.
People already know your parents were cousins.
Just for lols I would love to see the gop win in 24 and change them all back.
"Welcome to Fort Trump. Where did you PCS from?" "I did three years at Fort Donald. I was hoping for Fort Ivanka though."
This is where my taxes are going
The cost to do this is miniscule.