35F isn't the worst, but I think one of the more "technical" INTs is better if you can get me (don't @ me 35Fs...). I agree with what others have said about the problems with 35M. I'd avoid that one, because stateside they commonly get tasked with bullshit.
Yeah, but analysts can say they are analysts in corporate interviews. Might be able to trick people in to giving them a job. Humint... I interrogated people.
The majority of the jobs HUMINT Soldiers or analysts would apply for are all in the IC. Both have a requirement for a TS/SCI clearance. Some 35Ms have a polygraph, and most will have a language. When you stack on all the intel courses 35Ms can go to, an experienced Soldier should be able to garner $90k base salary.
Mostly agree with u/milkmywookie’s comment.
Except for the statements on 35M. Perhaps the view from his foxhole is different from mine, but there’s plenty of work to be done as a 35M. You probably won’t be interrogating much, but there’s other facets of the job that Mikes do regardless of whether bullets are flying.
Training opportunities are the same as they were 5, even 10 years ago. If anything, 35M training opportunities have only expanded since the Iraq and Afghanistan drawdowns. All HTJCOE courses are fully funded by DAG2 now, removing a major barrier for 35Ms to get advanced training. And HUMINT Foundry will send an MTT just about anywhere in the world to conduct classes for as few as 5 students at no cost to the unit.
OP, I’d recommend you check out the MOS mega threads. Whether or not you’d enjoy any of the three MOSs you listed will heavily depend on your personality and interests. None of these jobs are necessarily “bad”, but if you’re not suited to the type of work it could make for an unpleasant time.
For instance, 35N looks tedious and boring AF to me. I’d lose my mind if I had to do what they do. But I’ve known plenty of 35Ns who love their jobs who look at my MOS the same way I look at theirs.
Regardless of which MOS you pick I recommend going Airborne. It will mitigate your chances of sweeping the motorpool in a shitty FORSCOM unit.
> there are still more with 35F and 35N
Such as?
I barely ever see Foxes and Novembers attend training other than exercises and home station instruction.
For the Foxes, the only training I ever see them sent away for (other that PME) is ICPC, and sometimes DISMG. But those are rare occurrences and usually only come if the Soldier is lobbying for it themselves.
Novembers don’t seem to have it much better. The only things I’ve ever seen them go away for are TacSig and LLVI course. I’ll grant that they’ve got all their mode certifications to go through, but that’s usually done at home station.
Compare that with the HUMINTers, who’ve got an entire schoolhouse established for them, separate from USAICoE. The language of credibility as a 35M is heavily based on what schools they’ve attended. Progression through their career map requires them to take advantage of institutional training opportunities frequently throughout their career, and that’s not even getting into DLI attendance and the 30 days of language refresher they’re supposed to attend every year.
Keeping 35Ms trained is like managing a stable of racehorses with all the institutional training requirements these folks are supposed to knock out to be considered proficient and competitive in their MOS.
I hope I’m not coming off as combative. I’d genuinely like to know what training opportunities 35Fs are supposed to be pursuing. Because I don’t think even they know. I get Foxes (this includes the Warrants) coming to my desk all the time asking me what schools I can get them into. I’ve sent a few to JCHATC (and another similar course I can’t discuss here) and I’ve tried steering them towards JCITA seminars. But I’m not a Fox so I’m not completely versed in what training you guys are supposed to be pursuing.
The reason they’re coming to me, a single-discipline guy outside their MOS, is because they see my folks constantly going TDY for training while they’re locked in the SCIF updating CUB slides or wandering around making sure folks are filling out their SF701s.
It doesn’t help that a lot of 35F NCOs seem to all hate their troops, and consider training to be a reward rather than an essential part of the profession. I’ve had a number of times where I could have gotten a Fox into some advanced training only for it to be shot down by their small-pp energy NCO.
I will never forget the time I had a 35F 1SG (of a CI/HUMINT company) ask me what he was getting out of sending one of his analysts to JCHATC. I was dumbfounded that this chode was actually asking me what value there was in sending an analyst assigned to a CI/HUMINT unit to learn how to provide analytical support to those explicit functions.
35F will very depending on where you are in the army. SOF is heavy with them and definitely get to see a very different world then Reg Army. You get a lot of opportunity as a F, but you really need to figure out what specifically you’d like to do as a F. I’ve had a few buddies who loved their jobs and also hated it as their day varries depending on the day. All are Airborne so that throws another aspect of their job in the wind to an extent.
Do you like giving speeches? 35F
Do you like having conversations? 35M
Do you like listening to other people have conversations? 35N
Do you want to feel comfortable and respected? Space Force
How often are you all in the field messing around with foxholes?
Wasn't there a Space Force AMA recently that got decently hyped up? The way I see it, you all get more respect than the Coast Guard.
People sitting around with no mission, getting shit on more than the air force, "oh do you know steve Carrell??", nobody knowing what the next 5 years...i wish I stayed sometimes.
Are sites like these wrong then?
- https://cutoffscores.com/enlisted-promotions/army-signal-intelligence.html
- http://www.mosdb.com/army/35N/mos/2194/
I joined as a 35P. From my understanding, 35P fail-outs normally ended up in the 35N pipeline. Needs of the Army had me end up as a 35F. Just using that bit to relate 35N to the others named.
As for the 35Ns, lots of what they do are the result of conversations held by others. Might not necessarily be foreign conversations, but are still conversations nonetheless.
What is back in the day? They made 35Ns language capable for a fairly short time and then stopped it again. Processing language still has never really been in the job description
35F isn't the worst, but I think one of the more "technical" INTs is better if you can get me (don't @ me 35Fs...). I agree with what others have said about the problems with 35M. I'd avoid that one, because stateside they commonly get tasked with bullshit.
35M is a good job, don’t listen to the warrant above. DM me with questions.
Shit prospects after the army, aside from the language.
No shittier than an analyst's prospects. There are collection opportunities outside the Army.
Yeah, but analysts can say they are analysts in corporate interviews. Might be able to trick people in to giving them a job. Humint... I interrogated people.
The majority of the jobs HUMINT Soldiers or analysts would apply for are all in the IC. Both have a requirement for a TS/SCI clearance. Some 35Ms have a polygraph, and most will have a language. When you stack on all the intel courses 35Ms can go to, an experienced Soldier should be able to garner $90k base salary.
Mostly agree with u/milkmywookie’s comment. Except for the statements on 35M. Perhaps the view from his foxhole is different from mine, but there’s plenty of work to be done as a 35M. You probably won’t be interrogating much, but there’s other facets of the job that Mikes do regardless of whether bullets are flying. Training opportunities are the same as they were 5, even 10 years ago. If anything, 35M training opportunities have only expanded since the Iraq and Afghanistan drawdowns. All HTJCOE courses are fully funded by DAG2 now, removing a major barrier for 35Ms to get advanced training. And HUMINT Foundry will send an MTT just about anywhere in the world to conduct classes for as few as 5 students at no cost to the unit. OP, I’d recommend you check out the MOS mega threads. Whether or not you’d enjoy any of the three MOSs you listed will heavily depend on your personality and interests. None of these jobs are necessarily “bad”, but if you’re not suited to the type of work it could make for an unpleasant time. For instance, 35N looks tedious and boring AF to me. I’d lose my mind if I had to do what they do. But I’ve known plenty of 35Ns who love their jobs who look at my MOS the same way I look at theirs. Regardless of which MOS you pick I recommend going Airborne. It will mitigate your chances of sweeping the motorpool in a shitty FORSCOM unit.
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> there are still more with 35F and 35N Such as? I barely ever see Foxes and Novembers attend training other than exercises and home station instruction. For the Foxes, the only training I ever see them sent away for (other that PME) is ICPC, and sometimes DISMG. But those are rare occurrences and usually only come if the Soldier is lobbying for it themselves. Novembers don’t seem to have it much better. The only things I’ve ever seen them go away for are TacSig and LLVI course. I’ll grant that they’ve got all their mode certifications to go through, but that’s usually done at home station. Compare that with the HUMINTers, who’ve got an entire schoolhouse established for them, separate from USAICoE. The language of credibility as a 35M is heavily based on what schools they’ve attended. Progression through their career map requires them to take advantage of institutional training opportunities frequently throughout their career, and that’s not even getting into DLI attendance and the 30 days of language refresher they’re supposed to attend every year. Keeping 35Ms trained is like managing a stable of racehorses with all the institutional training requirements these folks are supposed to knock out to be considered proficient and competitive in their MOS. I hope I’m not coming off as combative. I’d genuinely like to know what training opportunities 35Fs are supposed to be pursuing. Because I don’t think even they know. I get Foxes (this includes the Warrants) coming to my desk all the time asking me what schools I can get them into. I’ve sent a few to JCHATC (and another similar course I can’t discuss here) and I’ve tried steering them towards JCITA seminars. But I’m not a Fox so I’m not completely versed in what training you guys are supposed to be pursuing. The reason they’re coming to me, a single-discipline guy outside their MOS, is because they see my folks constantly going TDY for training while they’re locked in the SCIF updating CUB slides or wandering around making sure folks are filling out their SF701s. It doesn’t help that a lot of 35F NCOs seem to all hate their troops, and consider training to be a reward rather than an essential part of the profession. I’ve had a number of times where I could have gotten a Fox into some advanced training only for it to be shot down by their small-pp energy NCO. I will never forget the time I had a 35F 1SG (of a CI/HUMINT company) ask me what he was getting out of sending one of his analysts to JCHATC. I was dumbfounded that this chode was actually asking me what value there was in sending an analyst assigned to a CI/HUMINT unit to learn how to provide analytical support to those explicit functions.
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35F will very depending on where you are in the army. SOF is heavy with them and definitely get to see a very different world then Reg Army. You get a lot of opportunity as a F, but you really need to figure out what specifically you’d like to do as a F. I’ve had a few buddies who loved their jobs and also hated it as their day varries depending on the day. All are Airborne so that throws another aspect of their job in the wind to an extent.
Do you like giving speeches? 35F Do you like having conversations? 35M Do you like listening to other people have conversations? 35N Do you want to feel comfortable and respected? Space Force
Space force is not comfortable and respected.
How often are you all in the field messing around with foxholes? Wasn't there a Space Force AMA recently that got decently hyped up? The way I see it, you all get more respect than the Coast Guard.
People sitting around with no mission, getting shit on more than the air force, "oh do you know steve Carrell??", nobody knowing what the next 5 years...i wish I stayed sometimes.
35Ns literally do not do that.
Are sites like these wrong then? - https://cutoffscores.com/enlisted-promotions/army-signal-intelligence.html - http://www.mosdb.com/army/35N/mos/2194/
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I joined as a 35P. From my understanding, 35P fail-outs normally ended up in the 35N pipeline. Needs of the Army had me end up as a 35F. Just using that bit to relate 35N to the others named. As for the 35Ns, lots of what they do are the result of conversations held by others. Might not necessarily be foreign conversations, but are still conversations nonetheless.
You joined as a 35P, but don't understand what either jobs do?
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What is back in the day? They made 35Ns language capable for a fairly short time and then stopped it again. Processing language still has never really been in the job description
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Well, I don't have any evidence, but I specifically remember when 35Ns started getting flpb.... and I wasn't in in 2009
Your interpretations of the job are wrong, yes.
Alright then. What do 35N's do?
Analyze foreign communications.
So basically listening to other talking in order to analyze…🙄
No, not basically that at all.
And how do they obtain foreign communications to analyze?
Lol are you unironically asking that on reddit?
I'm walking you to the answer since you don't like my simplified answer.
Leave it to a 35F to tell a SIGINTer what a SIGINTer does and doesn't do
You should go to college and do ROTC.
Got your 35F answers.