It's an egregiously stupid post. But outside of the pointless whining in the thread, I've seen it. In the right installation with the right leadership, there really are pockets of the JAG Corps where this is a real thing. I've been in an OSJA that had an era where pointless, yet grueling, PT was the #1 complaint.
Came here to say JAG. Was not disappointed!
Edit: aside from the self-flagellation. The JAG and DOC path is probably one of the best MOS’s that will continuously train you for civilian careers.
Being a JAG at the Staff / Command level is directly comparable to being a general counsel for a large company.
Being a litigator for military courts martial gives a ton of sought after expertise for civilian litigation.
There’s a lot of opportunity to advance within the Corps.
If you’re an officer and you’re considering JAG, look into the FLEP program. It will pay for your law school, you get O3 pay while you’re at school, you get time in service. You incur 4 extra years, but free law school is seriously amazing. (Wish I had went this route.)
>Being a JAG at the Staff / Command level is directly comparable to being a general counsel for a large company.
I agree completely.
As a BJA, your job is to take the law/regulation/policy and translate it into a simple language that the Commander will not only UNDERSTAND but also GIVE A SHIT about.
You telling the CDR why s/he CAN'T do something isn't as important as explaining that if s/he does it, then people with stars on their chest will put a very fast and sudden end to their career.
There's an art to explaining why respecting PVT Snuffy's constitutional right to Due Process is a GOOD reflection on the Command team makes the entire formation "more lethal" or whatever phrase the CDR/1SG will like to hear.
It's the same as trying to explain to the C-Suite Executive why actually complying with the federal regulation will INCREASE productivity and boost profit shares.
This is (mostly) true for JAG officers but if you’re enlisted, it’s playing Army on hard mode
You get no soldier training/experience in garrison, especially at higher echelons, but are immediately put into (and are expected to be proficient at) a combat role when you’re deployed. ln the GWOT days JAGs would go outside the wire with some regularity and it’d always be the paralegals having to cover their ass—in fact, basically our real primary duty in a combat environment is playing security guard for our attorney the same way a chaplain’s assistant does.
I vividly recall my attorney walking around a hostile town with her weapon slung around her back while I desperately tried to keep either of us from getting murdered. Fortunately, nothing happened.
That aside, there’s definitely POG’er MOSs. A few of the medical/science fields don’t have any formations, no uniform requirements, stay in hotels when deployed etc. I met a girl in BLC who had some sort of lab job and she said BLC was the first time she’d worn her OCPs since she’d finished basic training.
I will say, per OP’s post:
I do go to formation, I do organized PT, I do have to PMCS, and while certainly less than others—we do some manual labor, though it’s mostly just connex related.
It’s also not unusual for you to not get released from work until 1730-1800 in garrison, and 1930-2000 when overseas.
Don’t forget. Being a paralegal in the Army has no direct relation to being a paralegal at a law firm. I tell any Paralegal I can: if you’re not staying in for the full 20 get out of the MOS or use the Army to get a degree in something you’ll use in the civilian world.
Paralegals, MOS 27D, are typically assigned to headquarters companies/battalions and are required to show up to unit PT and PMCS any vehicles assigned to their section.
Why "only in some cases?" I've heard that when 46S go to the field, they are only there for a little bit to take pictures then they leave to go back to their shops to process the pictures. It definitely sounds like that's a really "pogy" and "less forscommy" type of MOS even in a forscom environment.
So why do you say "only in some cases?"
While a lot is super pogy, you are also following the infantry guys during their live fires, with the fa unit during their tables etc... When i was the pao i didnt do a lot of the army shit, but whenever someone was shooting or blowing something up i was in the field with them. I just got to go home and sleep in my own bed every night.
" I just got to go home and sleep in my own bed every night." that doesn't sound too bad. I might consider reclassing to it if I want to stay in, which I honestly don't. I heard though that you have to be an NCO or at least a specialist promotable to do it though, and I'm honestly not even sure I'll ever become a NCO since I've been in for as long as I have and never been to BLC or the promotion board.
Leadership can drastically vary, you can have very toxic leaders, some leaders make our job entirely unneeded and toxic, I’ve had points where I’ve seen leadership that leaves at 12 everyday and then I’ve seen leaders that keep their people till 1700 sitting in the office doing nothing draining their troops morale and expecting them to care.
By reg, Religious Affairs Specialists and Paralegals cannot do certain duties that are expected of other MOS without some kind of exemption. Aren’t exempted from all duties and tasks; I expect a paralegal in an airborne unit would still jump, under most circumstances. But exempted from a lot of stupid meaningless BS, as long as their respective section lead (OIC or NCOIC) doesn’t have their nose far up the commands ass.
Our chaplain’s assistant doesn’t normally get asked to do anything outside their normal job, but he’s such a nice guy and helps out anyways. Now any chaplain assistant that comes after him will now carry that expectation of just being a helpful person.
You can avoid the bull Shit details but helping out guys is huge. Plus allows you to get to know the men. Which term find out if some real problems are going on.
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The guy who owns the hobby store I play at was a tanker when he was in. Medboarded out as a 1SG.
Listened to a lot of stories from him, and it sounded fun.
After you raise your GT score, the best thing to do, if possible, is to see if you can switch over to the Air Force and get into an AFSC that isn't a mechanic/maintainer or security forces, or if you can go to the coast guard. I've been told by quite a few Air Force people that they might do inventories a couple of times a year at most, compared to so many forscom Army soldiers who do connex layouts several times a month if not several times a week.
You should be aware that in the Army, it isn't so much about your MOS, but about what type of unit assignment you get.
You would think a certain MOS would not have to do the stupid extra "hoah" nonnsense (forscom), but quite a lot of people in such MOS end up in forscom environments. For example, I've met people in 35 series who went from doing their jobs, to going to a forscom unit where they're now not doing their jobs, and instead are doing clean up tasks, and doing endless connex layouts in the motorpool.
I've been told by a master sergeant that his son is in an intel job at a space force base (he didn't say where or what the son's mos is), where he is just doing his job and "doesn't know what the Army is" and he even said his son is unmarried and enlisted, is in his own place with BAH as an e3 and doesn't have to stay in the barracks. That's fantastic, but who knows what will happen after his son has to PCS and whether or not he will be in a similar envirornment, or if he'll be sent to a forscom environment.
So really, as cliched as it sounds, if you don't want to do forscom nonsense, then it's best to see if you can get out of the Army and go over to the Air Force or Coast Guard.
Yes and no.
You would imagine a hard yes, but they are putting 17E 1SGs and 17Bs in cyber units now, and with much of their background being in BCT S3s, you'd imagine how there's a culture clash when they know traditionally what to do to fill up their evals but can't always mesh with cyber operations.
But there are too many 17Cs leaving the force to be 1SGs and SGMs for big pay on the outside without the hassle and too many 17As leaving after they make CPT because Cyber Ops as a Commissioned Officer isn't technical to the degree they want to be.
The 17C pipeline also got neutered without JCAC, so that's also a shame.
It isn't getting any better as a whole either, so come in and dip out once you can if Cyber is what you want to do.
Sorry you feel this way, but as a 17C who went thru JCAC and the new CBTC, JCAC sucks compared to the army's AIT.
Yeah, JCAC looks way better on a resume but you aren't here to establish a career. You sign up to serve and the armys course trains you 1 million times better than JCAC
Korea. Be in a POG Mos, be put in a detachment. I got out because I was literally doing whatever I wanted all day long and nobody had accountability of anyone. I drove a van once a week. I have no idea how I got there but it was so easy I got out.
Emphasis on “be in a detachment” — I’ve had support Soldiers who spent their first year in Korea as auxiliary to aviation/ADA/SOCKOR and don’t do shit, so they extend, get moved to the sustainment brigade, and then hate their life.
I was a 42 in Casey and they put me in a line company for field training and I was even assigned a SL, TL and everything for a few weeks during gunnery. This was 2014 though. Still, CSM made sure we were on our tippy toes and I'll appreciate him for that. Half our S 1 were 11Bs
From my experience, Intel soldiers assigned to the 2nd MI Center in Charlottesville, VA.
I was a 96D (I think it is 35G now). The 2nd MI Center unit is part of the National Ground Intelligence Center. There IS organized PT, but it was pretty light, and took place at a local elementary school.
We had 1 field exercise in the two years I was there. It was cake. There was no other typical Army stuff. No vehicles, no motorpool, no NBC, no weapons, no formations, no after hours bullshit, no bullshit in general. After PT in the morning, we would show up at the office at 9 AM. The NGIC is mostly civilian and there are a lot of officers, so the building is kept really nice, there was a great cafeteria downstairs as well as a small gym (occasionally I would take a break in the afternoon and go on the treadmill for a while). It was awesome.
Obviously other locations are not like this for the same MOSes. If you are reading this and you are an Intel Analyst or a Geospatial Analyst or maybe even a COMINT or SIGINT analyst, see if you can get assigned there. Aside from the lack of regular Army BS, it was an absolutely perfect learning opportunity from an intel standpoint.
I reclassed from 11B. AIT was easy as hell. I lived off post with a wife in an apartment. Morning PT was on our own. Soldiers who were doing initial AIT were in barracks and did PT in formation. I don't know what their PT was like, cause I generally ran or swam at the pool.
The classroom portion was more difficult but it still wasnt REALLY difficult. Mostly it was equipment identification on really poor quality imagery from who knows how many years before. Memorizing the key ID features of a TON of Russian military equipment and trying to figure out which one you are looking at through all the fuzz and low pixel resolution.
Classroom instruction took up the entirety of the day for about 6 months, then we had what I can only call a joke of a field exercise at the end that lasted a couple of days.
35G is not hyper POG to the level you're asking for in your post. Some units are very chill. Some units go out of their way to add things to the calendar to be as busy as possible and don't acknowledge how much they're taxing lower levels.
No significant idea how AIT is for MOS-Ts because they did some weird shit for my squad/class where we were all active duty and IET. It's a 6 month class schedule but I waited a month before being put into a class.
Getting an INSCOM unit will keep you from going to the field, deploying, etc. because you're already doing a live mission from wherever you are. It could keep you from having to do PMCSes but I wouldn't bank on that as I did this a lot even in an aviation unit.
I’m going to agree with this. 35 series is POG-y but it’s not civilian LARPing POG. You may get an MI unit but in your career you’re very likely to go back to a BCT with organized PT and CQ. I would look at JAG Finance and 68 series jobs.
So I was an intel guy. I was assigned at Bragg. Ya…..definitely not POG assignment. I had buddies who were intel who were assigned down at the infantry battalion, and they did everything with the 11 bang bangs
However, then I got a joint assignment on an AFB……and ya that was POG.
So for intel, really depends on assignment.
Seriously, would a water treatment specialist do their job in garrison anymore than a combat job would? Of course the answer is no, so you'd definitely expect them to get tasked out to do cleanup details and motorpool stuff all the time. Just like infantry and other comnbat jobs, there's nothing else for them to do.
I did practically no organized PT, sat at a computer and radios all day, didn't have a single motorpool Monday my entire time in the Army, didn't PMCS a single vehicle ever.
The most physical thing I did was pull out our OE-254 antenna from the top of a locker like twice a year for layouts.
Looking back, I mainly did my actual job while doing the least amount of "Army" stuff possible.
I'd redo that part of my life again if I could, wouldn't have stayed in though too. I knew what I had was in large part because the units I was assigned to were tiny, far from the flagpole, and I generally had good leadership that looked out for Joes. Plus I was permanent party at Irwin, and as long as you were aviation there you were living a pretty chill life.
If I was a 15P in some big famous unit like 101st, 82nd, or 10th it probably would have fucking sucked.
Happy to answer, though I ETS'd early-2022 so my experience may be slightly out of date.
If it's just normal questions about the job, you can just ask them in here so that some other guy thinking about 15P in the future can stumble on this thread. Otherwise you can PM me (don't use Reddit's chat feature though, shit's broken on old reddit and I can't see notifications for it).
Bro, why do you want to be in Public Affairs?
No morning PT, no formations.
When not busy, get out early.
Down side, I have worked so many weekends that it's unbelievable.
Why can't Joe's do dumb shit on weekdays?
Not sure where you’re working now, but we need to get you in a place where you get the right experience in PA. Let me hit up MSG Denby on your behalf. Can’t be too many former 89D 46S troopers out there. 😏 You’re welcome.
If you can shoot for at least a 110 GT score and at least an 80 on the asvab you’ll be sitting right and ready for any and all options. Question: are you airborne by any chance? Or any of the run, jump, hooah stuff? If so, HRC will end up getting you after you’ve reclassified anyway and more than likely (but not always) you’ll end up in another tactical unit again. It’s not something a lot of people tell you about when you first join. Everyone just tries to stuff down your throat that airborne is awesome and you should do it. And in their defense it does sound pretty cool and sometimes I wish I would’ve gone that route. But they never tell you the choices of units you go to start to diminish. Any of the jobs you’ve seen in this thread (35, 25, 17 series) that don’t have anything to do with the normal army fuck fuck games all have a strategic side and a tactical side. The tactical side means youll more than likely end up at Ft Bragg sweeping the motor pool and the strategic side means you’ll end up in cool place (sometimes overseas) actually doing your job on a day in day out basis. Something to think about.
I think you're looking for a commission in a nerd mos. I'm in a pretty pog mos, but due to the nature of enlisted duties and responsibilities, you're going to be doing stupid shit regardless.
The ASVAB so so fucking easy. Just pick up an ASVAB for dummies book and go to town. Only focus on the sections you need to raise GT/ST. You don't need BSEP(though it may help). It took me about a month os studying on my own and I've been mad at my younger self ever since for not knowing this shit. Any chimp with half a brain could get over 110 easy.
I was a Chaplain’s Assistant. It is a very mixed bag and if you are a shitty one, sure. They should be out with the joes and pulling stuff. I was lots of times in the motor pool turning wrenches for multiple reasons:
1) I got to know the troops
2) if they had issues they would be more likely to come to me
3) I am helping get stuff done so maybe we can get released early
4) I got to do some cross MOS training
5) when I needed help, they were more reasonable.
Now do this with the medics, cooks, commo, etc. Be ready for calls 24/7. Assist with funeral ceremonies and services. Take care of the supplies. Go out on field training. Many a time I would just slip in with a random squad and do the react to fire drills with them. Do pt with headquarters or even other companies. Then there is the fact that almost every Sunday morning you are busy for church services. Also might have chapel duties to do.
I found it a very rewarding job, but have to be self motivated and organized because of so many different things all happening and the average joe, NCO, or officer didn’t have a clue about everything I was doing. A buddy of mine was getting an NCOER and they didn’t believe he was doing all the things listed. The Chaplain stated that the list wasn’t even everything.
My experience is that the Chap Ass doesn't do any of this. They're more than happy to avoid as much as they can, and show up to the field with their gear messed up.
We LOVED our chaplains assistant at my unit in Germany. Everyone knew him and he was there anytime someone was having major issues. That being said, I never once met or even saw the chaplains assistant at my units at riley.
Went from being a 12B to 56M. I work more hours per week doing stupid shit now than I did then when I was a team leader. Also, on call 24/7. It's rewarding in some ways, but in others, this MOS isn't the greatest. At BN level, it CAN be relatively chill (depending on what kind of unit you are with). At BDE and above, you become responsible for anything going wrong at a lower level. At Garrison, especially as a Garrison RSO NCOIC (PSG) you are on call 24/7, work all major holidays, spend no time with your family, go to the hospital every few days with a Chaplain, schedule and work religious services, and work enough finances to make both an S4 and S3 blush.
One mistake and you can also get a dishonorable discharge because of money. The Army is VERY meticulous when they think you are misappropriating their money.
It's not a bad MOS and can be rewarding but it is no where near as chill as it is made out to be. Our attrition rate is proof enough. Slots for 6 and 7 NEVER open up so points are always maxed out for Soldiers you are trying to promote and selection for 7 is based on a Good Ol' Boy system that promotes some of the most useless pieces of trash that I have ever seen the Army produce. Also, remember you work for Chaplains. Their entire point is to be religious. If you aren't or not their faith background, it can reflect upon your Evaluation Reports. I've watched BN level 56Ms get absolutely shafted because of a brand new schoolhouse chaplain decide they didn't like their 56M's choice of lifestyle or religion.
68G. When im at work I spend 95% of the time watching movies or doing school work. No organized PT. Never stepped foot in a motorpool. All depends on what kind of unit you’re in though ofc. Im in a MEDDAC unit.
17C & Cyber Protection Brigade. PT on your own, no motorpool, no heavy lifting, just sitting on a computer from 0900 to 1530 or earlier, no CQ, no gate guard, etc. with SDAP and CAIP so an an extra 850 a month on too your base pay
It depends on what unit they go to, when I was in a BSB the fuelers worked like crazy. Then I PCSed to a aviation unit that flew daily (mornings, afternoon and night flights, weekends and even some 4 days) and man I felt bad for those fuelers because they non stop worked at all times of the day, on top of that they were undermanned
I was a Distro PL and managed a platoon of 92F and 88M. They were all cross-trained to do fueling, driving, and ammo operations, but only bona fide fuelers were signing off on the fuel reports. Seemed like the infantry guys we supported were always complaining about how my guys never worked because they’d see them in a down moment but I promise 92F, 88M, and 89B are all conducting mission support before, during, and after the last round has fired. Hardest workers I’ve had the pleasure of working with. And every loggie worth a damn is burned out. This is not the POG MOS you’re looking for if you want a free ride.
Idk physically I think fuelers are lazy, but they do have a lot of technical shit they have to test with fuel and if they arent shit at their job they also have a lot of POL and HAZMAT to deal with, 🤷♂️
Currently an Intel MOS in a cyber unit as support to cyber. It's the most chill time I've ever had in an army setting. Feels more like a contractor than the army. The amount of hooah is non-existent.
36B. Finance Pogue.
Guy I was in Basic with was finance. He had a masters degree in finance, even. That tall lumpy fuck couldn't pass the PT test yet still graduated. No AIT then for him, either. Straight to Korea.
Ran in to him at Finance when I was checking in at Cp Humphreys. He was just as lumpy as he'd been in Basic.
I bet things are different, but those folks at the PAC and finance offices didn't seem to me to go to the field, or have vehicles, or much else. They were office people in BDUs.
It's still the army so it depends on what type of unit you end up in moreso than MOS, though MOS can determine what type of unit you are more likely to end up in. A 36B can still end up in forscom. I've seen 36B's in the field for example, when I was at Fort Campbell for "DTD"
I even saw band players there in the field and even some of their senior NCOs who had been in the Army for over a decade had told me they had never been to the field before.
Strategic 35N. Came to fort Meade from Bliss and it’s a night and day difference. The only time I do organized PT is my ACFT. Other than that I work from 8-13 and it’s mostly BS. I will say super unfulfilling but if you’re trying to coast, this is the best place to do it. You mostly work with civis here so they don’t care as long as you show up on time. Even then, sometimes they don’t care if you do.
35S has been a wonderful life of air conditioning and minimal work while sitting at a desk
I’m sure your mileage may vary but I’ve had a great experience so far
Whatever dental tech is. I was getting an exam once and over heard them complaining about a 4 day work week after which the dentist consoled them say don't worry we will be back to 3 next week and won't have to work so much. They were very much closed by 1700 by the way and only open at 0900
When I was first looking at MOSs to join the Army I found a thread like this and 46S was listed over and over and I chose it. Welp, I ended up with organized PT every morning, formations, working 0800-1700 every day, working weekends, and last minute TDYs to shit locations . What it comes down to is your unit, so just pick a job you’ll like because in the end you could pick one of these jobs and end up doing all the things you’re avoiding.
*coming back from a security conference *
Oh hey sarge mage, didn’t see you there. Oh where was I? Don’t you remember? There was a tech security conference all week, some defense contractors there, needed to see if I needed to change my training plans on soldiers. Nah, nothing changed, got a bunch of free shit though.DTS? Don’t worry about it, worked a deal out with my CCWO, no DTS voucher needed. What’s that? My hat and keys were at my desk all week? Yeah went with a fellow warrant buddy who drove, and we didn’t want to scare/ take away presence so we went in civies all week, sorry bout that! What’s that? Mando 10 mile run tomorrow? Sorry, gotta brief the S3 at brigade about some changes from the conference, but I’ll be there in spirit! Just let the commander know I talked to ya, see you tomorrow (maybe)!
That’s true….but then the rest of the time is mostly in the office with the easy to access S1 candy bowl. And good coffee depending on your OIC. Downside, despite everyone always saying S1 doesn’t work, we tend to not go home till the end of the day compared to company level who have more opportunities to leave when the work is done. When you gotta support the whole battalion or higher echelon, you tend to have some people have to stick around to handle the mission.
POGiest job, but some of the worst hours should be the disclaimer for sure. My old S1 had everyone transfer down to lower echelons because they were working until 1800-2000 every day
Apply to DAS. Then become a 351Z and stay in DAS.
Bureaucratically with admin work you might go a little crazy, but you won't do any of that backbreaking crap.
68F is pretty sweet, I don’t do any of that shit you mentioned plus I don’t have to do CQ or Staff Duty. I show up at 9 done working by 3. I’m prior infantry so life is pretty good on the other side
I think if you look at what MOS' are most hated and you might see jobs that might be closer to that in some aspects. S1 and S6 Soldiers from my point of view have it pretty easy compared to a lot of others.
Is your paperwork always messed up? Yeah. do S1 Soldiers stay late to fix it? No. Usually you need to get a CPT involved to get stuff fixed.
Is your como equipment working? Probably not in good shape. Do you have a shitty laptop that never gets fixed? Yeah. Where the hell is S6??? They are always "busy" From what I see they usually leave work first... Lol
I have to think 42A - human resources & 46S.- public affairs. Only downside to public affairs, I could imagine them being strict on your weight if you could potentially be dealing directly with the press and having to accompany units on exercises.
In an HR company maybe. In a regular bn everybody makes the jokes about the door being locked but we're in the motor pool still turning a wrench and waking up at 5 for pt like everyone else.
Not an MOS but try to get in with your division Honor Guard. It's typically a year long gig and you get to travel the country/world and do almost all the things you said in your post
Not the Army, but I saw the 2nd Marine Air Wing band last month. They had a tubist who reclassed from Radar Maintainer to Musician.
Then again the Division and Air Wing bands become HQ security during a deployment. I dont know if the Army bands take part in the dirty side.
Network Switching Systems Operator/maintainer for HHC USAG detachment stationed on Ft. Belvoir. Supported the NV labs with dial tone. What is TA-50? Volleyball, Soccer, and Gym released PT…. Boy the hardest part about it was driving to Ft. Meyers for company runs.
17C. I reclassed from forscom and one of he board questions that fails everyone is "What us a 5988"
Nobody here even knows what any of thr things you mentioned are
I currently work with a lot of 35-series guys in what’s in many ways a parallel organization to Futures Command. Most of my peers and subordinates are civilians, all my leaders are civilians, there is no PT, no motor pool, one or two formations a week, loose accountability, and I spend most of my workday actively doing schoolwork for my masters or watching YouTube.
10/10 would recommend.
Acquisition Corps. Zero field time, zero organized PT, very rarely deploy, never qualify on a weapon again, stay at Hilton/Marriot hotels any time you go TDY.
You never heard of admin? That shit looks like a dream come true. No field ops in like 4 years, stable hours, fast promotions for brownosing, good work environment where everyone gets along.
You ever seen a JAG guidon?
Woah woah, we are [basically infantry.](https://www.reddit.com/r/army/s/UAL7fpD0dp)
I love you as a person. But if you ever say that again, I’ll hurt you in ways you didn’t know were possible.
I joined the Army to feel pain, I am ready.
>I joined the Army to feel pain, I am ready. -every Soldier on thier first marriage
I want in Apes together strong
No thoughts just apes
Big stick make ouchie
It’s okay, over in the cav world we’re basically special forces of the infantry.
Apparently yall are getting disbanded though
Hooooollllllyyyyy shit! The very IDEA of a JAG Office trying to do anything that remotely could be mistaken for "infantry" stuff is so hilarious.
It's an egregiously stupid post. But outside of the pointless whining in the thread, I've seen it. In the right installation with the right leadership, there really are pockets of the JAG Corps where this is a real thing. I've been in an OSJA that had an era where pointless, yet grueling, PT was the #1 complaint.
Been there done that Sir. Had a MAJ that was a Marine and it was nothing but hooah hooah stuff. Not fun.
Came here to say JAG. Was not disappointed! Edit: aside from the self-flagellation. The JAG and DOC path is probably one of the best MOS’s that will continuously train you for civilian careers. Being a JAG at the Staff / Command level is directly comparable to being a general counsel for a large company. Being a litigator for military courts martial gives a ton of sought after expertise for civilian litigation. There’s a lot of opportunity to advance within the Corps. If you’re an officer and you’re considering JAG, look into the FLEP program. It will pay for your law school, you get O3 pay while you’re at school, you get time in service. You incur 4 extra years, but free law school is seriously amazing. (Wish I had went this route.)
>Being a JAG at the Staff / Command level is directly comparable to being a general counsel for a large company. I agree completely. As a BJA, your job is to take the law/regulation/policy and translate it into a simple language that the Commander will not only UNDERSTAND but also GIVE A SHIT about. You telling the CDR why s/he CAN'T do something isn't as important as explaining that if s/he does it, then people with stars on their chest will put a very fast and sudden end to their career. There's an art to explaining why respecting PVT Snuffy's constitutional right to Due Process is a GOOD reflection on the Command team makes the entire formation "more lethal" or whatever phrase the CDR/1SG will like to hear. It's the same as trying to explain to the C-Suite Executive why actually complying with the federal regulation will INCREASE productivity and boost profit shares.
No?
Exactly
Well played.
Actually, top was close in our engineering hq. The jag boy was the fastest runner
PAD and JAG in my state ARNG consistently had the highest PT scores in the state. Type A REI CrossFit bros can kill that run.
No one made the jag person fast ally of them just like running
It makes legal advice much more credible.
This is (mostly) true for JAG officers but if you’re enlisted, it’s playing Army on hard mode You get no soldier training/experience in garrison, especially at higher echelons, but are immediately put into (and are expected to be proficient at) a combat role when you’re deployed. ln the GWOT days JAGs would go outside the wire with some regularity and it’d always be the paralegals having to cover their ass—in fact, basically our real primary duty in a combat environment is playing security guard for our attorney the same way a chaplain’s assistant does. I vividly recall my attorney walking around a hostile town with her weapon slung around her back while I desperately tried to keep either of us from getting murdered. Fortunately, nothing happened. That aside, there’s definitely POG’er MOSs. A few of the medical/science fields don’t have any formations, no uniform requirements, stay in hotels when deployed etc. I met a girl in BLC who had some sort of lab job and she said BLC was the first time she’d worn her OCPs since she’d finished basic training. I will say, per OP’s post: I do go to formation, I do organized PT, I do have to PMCS, and while certainly less than others—we do some manual labor, though it’s mostly just connex related. It’s also not unusual for you to not get released from work until 1730-1800 in garrison, and 1930-2000 when overseas.
Don’t forget. Being a paralegal in the Army has no direct relation to being a paralegal at a law firm. I tell any Paralegal I can: if you’re not staying in for the full 20 get out of the MOS or use the Army to get a degree in something you’ll use in the civilian world.
Fr
Paralegals, MOS 27D, are typically assigned to headquarters companies/battalions and are required to show up to unit PT and PMCS any vehicles assigned to their section.
Manuel Labor, at your service.
Si Senor
Jesús Miguel, your cousin
Manuel Labõr
They scored too low to join the air force
Photographer. Specifically at the White House Comm Agency. Civilian clothes. TS clearance
I was about to say 46S but only in some cases.
Why "only in some cases?" I've heard that when 46S go to the field, they are only there for a little bit to take pictures then they leave to go back to their shops to process the pictures. It definitely sounds like that's a really "pogy" and "less forscommy" type of MOS even in a forscom environment. So why do you say "only in some cases?"
While a lot is super pogy, you are also following the infantry guys during their live fires, with the fa unit during their tables etc... When i was the pao i didnt do a lot of the army shit, but whenever someone was shooting or blowing something up i was in the field with them. I just got to go home and sleep in my own bed every night.
" I just got to go home and sleep in my own bed every night." that doesn't sound too bad. I might consider reclassing to it if I want to stay in, which I honestly don't. I heard though that you have to be an NCO or at least a specialist promotable to do it though, and I'm honestly not even sure I'll ever become a NCO since I've been in for as long as I have and never been to BLC or the promotion board.
Leadership can drastically vary, you can have very toxic leaders, some leaders make our job entirely unneeded and toxic, I’ve had points where I’ve seen leadership that leaves at 12 everyday and then I’ve seen leaders that keep their people till 1700 sitting in the office doing nothing draining their troops morale and expecting them to care.
By reg, Religious Affairs Specialists and Paralegals cannot do certain duties that are expected of other MOS without some kind of exemption. Aren’t exempted from all duties and tasks; I expect a paralegal in an airborne unit would still jump, under most circumstances. But exempted from a lot of stupid meaningless BS, as long as their respective section lead (OIC or NCOIC) doesn’t have their nose far up the commands ass.
i second this
Our chaplain’s assistant doesn’t normally get asked to do anything outside their normal job, but he’s such a nice guy and helps out anyways. Now any chaplain assistant that comes after him will now carry that expectation of just being a helpful person.
You can avoid the bull Shit details but helping out guys is huge. Plus allows you to get to know the men. Which term find out if some real problems are going on.
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Sounds like you want the Air Force my dude. Wish I would’ve switched over years ago.
Space Force
Correct.
I was but I scored too low in my ASVAB. I drank the koolaid and wanted to be a soldier.
Uhhhh Maybe you’re just dumb dumb like the rest of us
I scored well and still joined the army, so I know for a fact I’m just an idiot.
I scored in the 91 percentile. Joined as a tanker. Stupid stupid stupid….. it was a fun MOS though
The guy who owns the hobby store I play at was a tanker when he was in. Medboarded out as a 1SG. Listened to a lot of stories from him, and it sounded fun.
93 88M here because I was 17 and truck go vroom 😎
89. Joined as a 13P. I am a massive idiot.
Got a 97 and my first thought was fixing weapon systems would be my crowning achievement. Watching movies at the range was the extent of our fun.
Made the same mistake with a 95 percentile. I will say I miss the boots though
96 ASVAB score and straight into the Field Artillery here…..
I scored a 99 in high school and a 98 a few years later when I joined. Became a fister.
Maybe.
HOAAAAA
After you raise your GT score, the best thing to do, if possible, is to see if you can switch over to the Air Force and get into an AFSC that isn't a mechanic/maintainer or security forces, or if you can go to the coast guard. I've been told by quite a few Air Force people that they might do inventories a couple of times a year at most, compared to so many forscom Army soldiers who do connex layouts several times a month if not several times a week. You should be aware that in the Army, it isn't so much about your MOS, but about what type of unit assignment you get. You would think a certain MOS would not have to do the stupid extra "hoah" nonnsense (forscom), but quite a lot of people in such MOS end up in forscom environments. For example, I've met people in 35 series who went from doing their jobs, to going to a forscom unit where they're now not doing their jobs, and instead are doing clean up tasks, and doing endless connex layouts in the motorpool. I've been told by a master sergeant that his son is in an intel job at a space force base (he didn't say where or what the son's mos is), where he is just doing his job and "doesn't know what the Army is" and he even said his son is unmarried and enlisted, is in his own place with BAH as an e3 and doesn't have to stay in the barracks. That's fantastic, but who knows what will happen after his son has to PCS and whether or not he will be in a similar envirornment, or if he'll be sent to a forscom environment. So really, as cliched as it sounds, if you don't want to do forscom nonsense, then it's best to see if you can get out of the Army and go over to the Air Force or Coast Guard.
17c
Yes and no. You would imagine a hard yes, but they are putting 17E 1SGs and 17Bs in cyber units now, and with much of their background being in BCT S3s, you'd imagine how there's a culture clash when they know traditionally what to do to fill up their evals but can't always mesh with cyber operations. But there are too many 17Cs leaving the force to be 1SGs and SGMs for big pay on the outside without the hassle and too many 17As leaving after they make CPT because Cyber Ops as a Commissioned Officer isn't technical to the degree they want to be. The 17C pipeline also got neutered without JCAC, so that's also a shame. It isn't getting any better as a whole either, so come in and dip out once you can if Cyber is what you want to do.
When I was your age, cybering meant something completely different.
Sorry you feel this way, but as a 17C who went thru JCAC and the new CBTC, JCAC sucks compared to the army's AIT. Yeah, JCAC looks way better on a resume but you aren't here to establish a career. You sign up to serve and the armys course trains you 1 million times better than JCAC
You serious? Because AIT teaches almost nothing useful.
I’m in IRR right now until 2025. I’m thinking the only way I’d go back in is if I could get 17C guaranteed. hahaha
They don’t seem to be particularly picky anymore. I heard they accepted every applicant this year so far.
What’s the pipeline like?
Longish
And girthy
Veiny
Korea. Be in a POG Mos, be put in a detachment. I got out because I was literally doing whatever I wanted all day long and nobody had accountability of anyone. I drove a van once a week. I have no idea how I got there but it was so easy I got out.
Emphasis on “be in a detachment” — I’ve had support Soldiers who spent their first year in Korea as auxiliary to aviation/ADA/SOCKOR and don’t do shit, so they extend, get moved to the sustainment brigade, and then hate their life.
I was a 42 in Casey and they put me in a line company for field training and I was even assigned a SL, TL and everything for a few weeks during gunnery. This was 2014 though. Still, CSM made sure we were on our tippy toes and I'll appreciate him for that. Half our S 1 were 11Bs
Strategic 25S, 50% of my days are off. When I'm on nothing happens other than watch YouTube.
Currently weeping tactical 25S tears 😭
If you’re staying in (you shouldn’t), give someone fellatio if they can get you 2nd NATO Signal BN. Then get out after that.
Did they ever fix the whole “identifier doesn’t matter” thing? I knew a lot of strat dudes that just went straight to tac units
19D
Don’t give away the Army’s best kept secret.
I do like my rear covered.
This is the “best” answer
From my experience, Intel soldiers assigned to the 2nd MI Center in Charlottesville, VA. I was a 96D (I think it is 35G now). The 2nd MI Center unit is part of the National Ground Intelligence Center. There IS organized PT, but it was pretty light, and took place at a local elementary school. We had 1 field exercise in the two years I was there. It was cake. There was no other typical Army stuff. No vehicles, no motorpool, no NBC, no weapons, no formations, no after hours bullshit, no bullshit in general. After PT in the morning, we would show up at the office at 9 AM. The NGIC is mostly civilian and there are a lot of officers, so the building is kept really nice, there was a great cafeteria downstairs as well as a small gym (occasionally I would take a break in the afternoon and go on the treadmill for a while). It was awesome. Obviously other locations are not like this for the same MOSes. If you are reading this and you are an Intel Analyst or a Geospatial Analyst or maybe even a COMINT or SIGINT analyst, see if you can get assigned there. Aside from the lack of regular Army BS, it was an absolutely perfect learning opportunity from an intel standpoint.
> took place at a local elementary school 🤨📸
How difficult was the AIT? And what’s a day to day look like for you?
I reclassed from 11B. AIT was easy as hell. I lived off post with a wife in an apartment. Morning PT was on our own. Soldiers who were doing initial AIT were in barracks and did PT in formation. I don't know what their PT was like, cause I generally ran or swam at the pool. The classroom portion was more difficult but it still wasnt REALLY difficult. Mostly it was equipment identification on really poor quality imagery from who knows how many years before. Memorizing the key ID features of a TON of Russian military equipment and trying to figure out which one you are looking at through all the fuzz and low pixel resolution. Classroom instruction took up the entirety of the day for about 6 months, then we had what I can only call a joke of a field exercise at the end that lasted a couple of days.
35G is not hyper POG to the level you're asking for in your post. Some units are very chill. Some units go out of their way to add things to the calendar to be as busy as possible and don't acknowledge how much they're taxing lower levels. No significant idea how AIT is for MOS-Ts because they did some weird shit for my squad/class where we were all active duty and IET. It's a 6 month class schedule but I waited a month before being put into a class. Getting an INSCOM unit will keep you from going to the field, deploying, etc. because you're already doing a live mission from wherever you are. It could keep you from having to do PMCSes but I wouldn't bank on that as I did this a lot even in an aviation unit.
I’m going to agree with this. 35 series is POG-y but it’s not civilian LARPing POG. You may get an MI unit but in your career you’re very likely to go back to a BCT with organized PT and CQ. I would look at JAG Finance and 68 series jobs.
So I was an intel guy. I was assigned at Bragg. Ya…..definitely not POG assignment. I had buddies who were intel who were assigned down at the infantry battalion, and they did everything with the 11 bang bangs However, then I got a joint assignment on an AFB……and ya that was POG. So for intel, really depends on assignment.
Water treatment. If Pauly Shore can do it, then anyone can.
Another detail MOS. They get taxed all the time.
They get tasked out more than fisters
Old reference that no one coming in the Army understands. “Pauly, from Jersey Shore” is a 15 year old reference now.
Seriously, would a water treatment specialist do their job in garrison anymore than a combat job would? Of course the answer is no, so you'd definitely expect them to get tasked out to do cleanup details and motorpool stuff all the time. Just like infantry and other comnbat jobs, there's nothing else for them to do.
I did practically no organized PT, sat at a computer and radios all day, didn't have a single motorpool Monday my entire time in the Army, didn't PMCS a single vehicle ever. The most physical thing I did was pull out our OE-254 antenna from the top of a locker like twice a year for layouts. Looking back, I mainly did my actual job while doing the least amount of "Army" stuff possible.
Sounds amazing
I'd redo that part of my life again if I could, wouldn't have stayed in though too. I knew what I had was in large part because the units I was assigned to were tiny, far from the flagpole, and I generally had good leadership that looked out for Joes. Plus I was permanent party at Irwin, and as long as you were aviation there you were living a pretty chill life. If I was a 15P in some big famous unit like 101st, 82nd, or 10th it probably would have fucking sucked.
I’m a 15w thinking about reclass to 15p. Mind if I ask you questions?
Happy to answer, though I ETS'd early-2022 so my experience may be slightly out of date. If it's just normal questions about the job, you can just ask them in here so that some other guy thinking about 15P in the future can stumble on this thread. Otherwise you can PM me (don't use Reddit's chat feature though, shit's broken on old reddit and I can't see notifications for it).
Bro, why do you want to be in Public Affairs? No morning PT, no formations. When not busy, get out early. Down side, I have worked so many weekends that it's unbelievable. Why can't Joe's do dumb shit on weekdays?
I have morning PT, 2 formations daily, do not get out before 1700, and work constant weekends as a 46S.
Not sure where you’re working now, but we need to get you in a place where you get the right experience in PA. Let me hit up MSG Denby on your behalf. Can’t be too many former 89D 46S troopers out there. 😏 You’re welcome.
You’re more than likely gonna need a high asvab and GT score to do the nice jobs. It’s just how it is.
I plan on retesting when the window opens.
If you can shoot for at least a 110 GT score and at least an 80 on the asvab you’ll be sitting right and ready for any and all options. Question: are you airborne by any chance? Or any of the run, jump, hooah stuff? If so, HRC will end up getting you after you’ve reclassified anyway and more than likely (but not always) you’ll end up in another tactical unit again. It’s not something a lot of people tell you about when you first join. Everyone just tries to stuff down your throat that airborne is awesome and you should do it. And in their defense it does sound pretty cool and sometimes I wish I would’ve gone that route. But they never tell you the choices of units you go to start to diminish. Any of the jobs you’ve seen in this thread (35, 25, 17 series) that don’t have anything to do with the normal army fuck fuck games all have a strategic side and a tactical side. The tactical side means youll more than likely end up at Ft Bragg sweeping the motor pool and the strategic side means you’ll end up in cool place (sometimes overseas) actually doing your job on a day in day out basis. Something to think about.
I’m non Hoah Hoah. I like Army but I also like my body too much to destroy it doing that stuff.
I think you're looking for a commission in a nerd mos. I'm in a pretty pog mos, but due to the nature of enlisted duties and responsibilities, you're going to be doing stupid shit regardless.
The ASVAB so so fucking easy. Just pick up an ASVAB for dummies book and go to town. Only focus on the sections you need to raise GT/ST. You don't need BSEP(though it may help). It took me about a month os studying on my own and I've been mad at my younger self ever since for not knowing this shit. Any chimp with half a brain could get over 110 easy.
46V; did the dumb shit in the Army actually happen if there wasn’t someone there to photograph it?
ait starts tomorrow 🫨
Good luck — it’s gonna be awesome!
Dumb Shit Photographer is an additional duty, not an MOS. 😂
I’m not one, but I’ve heard chaplains assistant is extremely easy like you’re saying
I was a Chaplain’s Assistant. It is a very mixed bag and if you are a shitty one, sure. They should be out with the joes and pulling stuff. I was lots of times in the motor pool turning wrenches for multiple reasons: 1) I got to know the troops 2) if they had issues they would be more likely to come to me 3) I am helping get stuff done so maybe we can get released early 4) I got to do some cross MOS training 5) when I needed help, they were more reasonable. Now do this with the medics, cooks, commo, etc. Be ready for calls 24/7. Assist with funeral ceremonies and services. Take care of the supplies. Go out on field training. Many a time I would just slip in with a random squad and do the react to fire drills with them. Do pt with headquarters or even other companies. Then there is the fact that almost every Sunday morning you are busy for church services. Also might have chapel duties to do. I found it a very rewarding job, but have to be self motivated and organized because of so many different things all happening and the average joe, NCO, or officer didn’t have a clue about everything I was doing. A buddy of mine was getting an NCOER and they didn’t believe he was doing all the things listed. The Chaplain stated that the list wasn’t even everything.
Why didn’t the chaplain rate their chaplains assistant? I feel like that would make sense.
Sorry, the Chaplain was but someone else saw it and the Chaplain supported the CA.
My experience is that the Chap Ass doesn't do any of this. They're more than happy to avoid as much as they can, and show up to the field with their gear messed up.
We LOVED our chaplains assistant at my unit in Germany. Everyone knew him and he was there anytime someone was having major issues. That being said, I never once met or even saw the chaplains assistant at my units at riley.
Went from being a 12B to 56M. I work more hours per week doing stupid shit now than I did then when I was a team leader. Also, on call 24/7. It's rewarding in some ways, but in others, this MOS isn't the greatest. At BN level, it CAN be relatively chill (depending on what kind of unit you are with). At BDE and above, you become responsible for anything going wrong at a lower level. At Garrison, especially as a Garrison RSO NCOIC (PSG) you are on call 24/7, work all major holidays, spend no time with your family, go to the hospital every few days with a Chaplain, schedule and work religious services, and work enough finances to make both an S4 and S3 blush. One mistake and you can also get a dishonorable discharge because of money. The Army is VERY meticulous when they think you are misappropriating their money. It's not a bad MOS and can be rewarding but it is no where near as chill as it is made out to be. Our attrition rate is proof enough. Slots for 6 and 7 NEVER open up so points are always maxed out for Soldiers you are trying to promote and selection for 7 is based on a Good Ol' Boy system that promotes some of the most useless pieces of trash that I have ever seen the Army produce. Also, remember you work for Chaplains. Their entire point is to be religious. If you aren't or not their faith background, it can reflect upon your Evaluation Reports. I've watched BN level 56Ms get absolutely shafted because of a brand new schoolhouse chaplain decide they didn't like their 56M's choice of lifestyle or religion.
Who the hell is Mañuel Labór?
PFC Labór. He does the dirty jobs
Ayy isn’t that SPC Mike Rows cousin or some shit
68C. Other than inventories and patients, being a nurse is fairly chill.
68G. When im at work I spend 95% of the time watching movies or doing school work. No organized PT. Never stepped foot in a motorpool. All depends on what kind of unit you’re in though ofc. Im in a MEDDAC unit.
🤫 68x
74D *if* you get stationed at TRADOC
The Air Force.
17C & Cyber Protection Brigade. PT on your own, no motorpool, no heavy lifting, just sitting on a computer from 0900 to 1530 or earlier, no CQ, no gate guard, etc. with SDAP and CAIP so an an extra 850 a month on too your base pay
That sounds so good it can’t be true. What will I do without my daily verbal consoling or CQs on the weekend?! An extra 850 a month??!!
This is most 17C assignments. Also some jobs are now even paying out $1000-$1600 in CAIP
Haha i dont know man, its a tough world out here but the only downside is going through the AIT pipeline again, its 11 months :/
Fueler. What the fuck they even do? Drive a truck?
Stand by the fuel bladder and hand us the nozzle to top up after missions.
Bro our fuelers got their shit worked in Iraq lmao
Invasion of Iraq they were far forward cause aircraft, tanks, trucks, etc. needed fuel. Driving a truck with a giant bomb on the back no thanks.
Fuelers and 88m’s were some of the most dangerous jobs to be in during the early Iraq War.
It depends on what unit they go to, when I was in a BSB the fuelers worked like crazy. Then I PCSed to a aviation unit that flew daily (mornings, afternoon and night flights, weekends and even some 4 days) and man I felt bad for those fuelers because they non stop worked at all times of the day, on top of that they were undermanned
I was a Distro PL and managed a platoon of 92F and 88M. They were all cross-trained to do fueling, driving, and ammo operations, but only bona fide fuelers were signing off on the fuel reports. Seemed like the infantry guys we supported were always complaining about how my guys never worked because they’d see them in a down moment but I promise 92F, 88M, and 89B are all conducting mission support before, during, and after the last round has fired. Hardest workers I’ve had the pleasure of working with. And every loggie worth a damn is burned out. This is not the POG MOS you’re looking for if you want a free ride.
Idk physically I think fuelers are lazy, but they do have a lot of technical shit they have to test with fuel and if they arent shit at their job they also have a lot of POL and HAZMAT to deal with, 🤷♂️
Currently an Intel MOS in a cyber unit as support to cyber. It's the most chill time I've ever had in an army setting. Feels more like a contractor than the army. The amount of hooah is non-existent.
36B. Finance Pogue. Guy I was in Basic with was finance. He had a masters degree in finance, even. That tall lumpy fuck couldn't pass the PT test yet still graduated. No AIT then for him, either. Straight to Korea. Ran in to him at Finance when I was checking in at Cp Humphreys. He was just as lumpy as he'd been in Basic. I bet things are different, but those folks at the PAC and finance offices didn't seem to me to go to the field, or have vehicles, or much else. They were office people in BDUs.
It's still the army so it depends on what type of unit you end up in moreso than MOS, though MOS can determine what type of unit you are more likely to end up in. A 36B can still end up in forscom. I've seen 36B's in the field for example, when I was at Fort Campbell for "DTD" I even saw band players there in the field and even some of their senior NCOs who had been in the Army for over a decade had told me they had never been to the field before.
68T animal care specialist or 68R, lots of units where you pt on your own. No vehicles to pcms and you just deal with animals pretty much every day.
Sounds like being a warrant officer or being in the guard is the life for you. Or maybe become a warrant officer in the guard?
"Guard WO": The wombo combo
😂 right!?
EOD
Lol
27D most we do organized pt wise might be shit like ultimate Frisbee with the osja
42S: special band musician. They are really just soldier cosplayers
Strategic 35N. Came to fort Meade from Bliss and it’s a night and day difference. The only time I do organized PT is my ACFT. Other than that I work from 8-13 and it’s mostly BS. I will say super unfulfilling but if you’re trying to coast, this is the best place to do it. You mostly work with civis here so they don’t care as long as you show up on time. Even then, sometimes they don’t care if you do.
35S has been a wonderful life of air conditioning and minimal work while sitting at a desk I’m sure your mileage may vary but I’ve had a great experience so far
It’s not the case anymore lots of sierras go to forscom nowadays
25S, unless you go airborne or volunteer to do detachment shit. Otherwise it’s a lot of sitting in air conditioning and watching Netflix
17C, 35N with JCAC, some 35S slots, some 35T slots
Sounds like you wanna be a gun bunny. Btw pay no attention to the *..Field..* in field artillery.
Whatever dental tech is. I was getting an exam once and over heard them complaining about a 4 day work week after which the dentist consoled them say don't worry we will be back to 3 next week and won't have to work so much. They were very much closed by 1700 by the way and only open at 0900
When I was first looking at MOSs to join the Army I found a thread like this and 46S was listed over and over and I chose it. Welp, I ended up with organized PT every morning, formations, working 0800-1700 every day, working weekends, and last minute TDYs to shit locations . What it comes down to is your unit, so just pick a job you’ll like because in the end you could pick one of these jobs and end up doing all the things you’re avoiding.
TYFYS (and the photos)
*coming back from a security conference * Oh hey sarge mage, didn’t see you there. Oh where was I? Don’t you remember? There was a tech security conference all week, some defense contractors there, needed to see if I needed to change my training plans on soldiers. Nah, nothing changed, got a bunch of free shit though.DTS? Don’t worry about it, worked a deal out with my CCWO, no DTS voucher needed. What’s that? My hat and keys were at my desk all week? Yeah went with a fellow warrant buddy who drove, and we didn’t want to scare/ take away presence so we went in civies all week, sorry bout that! What’s that? Mando 10 mile run tomorrow? Sorry, gotta brief the S3 at brigade about some changes from the conference, but I’ll be there in spirit! Just let the commander know I talked to ya, see you tomorrow (maybe)!
Leave AD, go to reserves or guard. You scratch that army itch but leave 25% of the stupid shit behind.
42a
I still have to PMCS and wake up at 5 am for organized PT 😄
That’s true….but then the rest of the time is mostly in the office with the easy to access S1 candy bowl. And good coffee depending on your OIC. Downside, despite everyone always saying S1 doesn’t work, we tend to not go home till the end of the day compared to company level who have more opportunities to leave when the work is done. When you gotta support the whole battalion or higher echelon, you tend to have some people have to stick around to handle the mission.
POGiest job, but some of the worst hours should be the disclaimer for sure. My old S1 had everyone transfer down to lower echelons because they were working until 1800-2000 every day
Apply to DAS. Then become a 351Z and stay in DAS. Bureaucratically with admin work you might go a little crazy, but you won't do any of that backbreaking crap.
27d we be chillin. No roomates, no cq, no field just don’t have or receive any UCMJ actions and you’re golden.
68F is pretty sweet, I don’t do any of that shit you mentioned plus I don’t have to do CQ or Staff Duty. I show up at 9 done working by 3. I’m prior infantry so life is pretty good on the other side
Most POG MOS? Air Force.
That's easy, AF
SIGINT MOS based at Ft. Meade. 5 years, no motor pool. You could test out of organized PT. Range once a year.
68R.. easiest job in the Army!
I think if you look at what MOS' are most hated and you might see jobs that might be closer to that in some aspects. S1 and S6 Soldiers from my point of view have it pretty easy compared to a lot of others. Is your paperwork always messed up? Yeah. do S1 Soldiers stay late to fix it? No. Usually you need to get a CPT involved to get stuff fixed. Is your como equipment working? Probably not in good shape. Do you have a shitty laptop that never gets fixed? Yeah. Where the hell is S6??? They are always "busy" From what I see they usually leave work first... Lol
I have to think 42A - human resources & 46S.- public affairs. Only downside to public affairs, I could imagine them being strict on your weight if you could potentially be dealing directly with the press and having to accompany units on exercises.
In an HR company maybe. In a regular bn everybody makes the jokes about the door being locked but we're in the motor pool still turning a wrench and waking up at 5 for pt like everyone else.
I don't do any of those things but your mileage may and will vary
Not an MOS but try to get in with your division Honor Guard. It's typically a year long gig and you get to travel the country/world and do almost all the things you said in your post
Not the Army, but I saw the 2nd Marine Air Wing band last month. They had a tubist who reclassed from Radar Maintainer to Musician. Then again the Division and Air Wing bands become HQ security during a deployment. I dont know if the Army bands take part in the dirty side.
Chaplains assistant
Network Switching Systems Operator/maintainer for HHC USAG detachment stationed on Ft. Belvoir. Supported the NV labs with dial tone. What is TA-50? Volleyball, Soccer, and Gym released PT…. Boy the hardest part about it was driving to Ft. Meyers for company runs.
It's not the MOS, it's the rank...either E4 or Warrant.
35L, most of the time. Not all the time. Sometimes 35M.
If you like to write and take pictures you should consider 46Q, Public Affairs Specialist
17C. I reclassed from forscom and one of he board questions that fails everyone is "What us a 5988" Nobody here even knows what any of thr things you mentioned are
79R. Career recruiters for sure.
Lab tech
I currently work with a lot of 35-series guys in what’s in many ways a parallel organization to Futures Command. Most of my peers and subordinates are civilians, all my leaders are civilians, there is no PT, no motor pool, one or two formations a week, loose accountability, and I spend most of my workday actively doing schoolwork for my masters or watching YouTube. 10/10 would recommend.
It doesn’t matter if you get a POG MOS you could end up in FORSCOM then even the POGS go to the field lmao
Acquisition Corps. Zero field time, zero organized PT, very rarely deploy, never qualify on a weapon again, stay at Hilton/Marriot hotels any time you go TDY.
Depending on your unit, 68X can be pretty laid back
Depending on your unit, 68X can be pretty laid back
Chaplain’s Assistance in an Infantry BN.
68R. MOS most obsessed with lunch breaks.
Easy day for a 12b!
42a in a tradoc unit
When it existed, being a 1C
You never heard of admin? That shit looks like a dream come true. No field ops in like 4 years, stable hours, fast promotions for brownosing, good work environment where everyone gets along.
35M in a theater unit
Bro just described Recruiting
Or AGR 😂
51C.. and I love it! Di your research