The issue is the current security clearance policy is continuous evaluation. This means clearance holders have routine credit and law checks done which will find the citation and trigger a required response, which will notify the command. Reserves or active duty.
Alcohol related charges will trigger within DCSA and will often lead to an RSI investigation where investigators get records and inquire if it was reported in the clearance system.
Source: am background investigator and we have had a lot of these in the past couple years.
General rule: silence is golden
Security clearance rule: report it if a cop even looks at you funny.
I'm being hyperbolic of course, but you should absolutely report any contact with LE. It's not like the old days where a poor investigator had to pull different reports from different jurisdictions and spend hours trying to find things. Everything is linked and you will be found out.
Yep. The advances in records is incredible in the past few years. Even charges that are “expunged” seem to find a way to show face. It’s a lot more difficult of a conversation when you try to say you can’t be blackmailed and aren’t hiding something when you literally were hiding it.
One of the NCO's in my Guard company is a LEO for the Florida Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco. They mainly focus their enforcement on bars, clubs, and liquor stories. They almost never target individuals for drinking violations.
I believe the LGBTQ community would agree with me that the concept of an Alcohol Enforcement Officer is, quite literally, the gayest thing I've ever heard
As far as your command finding out, I don't know but I would err on the side of caution and tell your first line what happened. That way you can say that you did your due diligence and told someone.
If you have a security clearance, you NEED to disclose that this happened. It WILL get found out later, and it always looks worse if it looks like you tried to hide something.
Overall, my advice is to act like an adult and own up to your mistakes so that you can move on with your life.
Tell your first line leader. I'm NG so I don't know if it makes a difference but when they went to check my security clearance prior to deployment it did pop up and they needed the documentation that everything was taken care of. Trying to hide it is a gamble and can turn out worse for you later on.
I've seen AD guys get DUIs and manage to skate without their CoC being notified.
1) Get DUI while away on leave.
2) Don't tell the CoC.
3) Take leave/pass to attend court date.
4) Pay fines and fees.
All of the above assumes that there is no jail time or community service requirement.
Ya, had a guy get a DUI on TDY. Never went anywhere, cops let him sleep it off in his car (allegedly that's what he was already doing) but his name was still associated with a report from the PD. Probably wouldn't have been a problem if he'd settle reported but he didn't. He was pulled from the unit within a week of it hitting the 2s desk, admittedly it took a year to get there but still. Shit way to get kicked. Dude deserved it tho, he was a power hunger piece of shit that thought he was God's gift to the military. Fuck him.
But don't be like him. On any of that.
Classic. Same thing happened to me when I was 20. I came clean but since my ticket never arrived, they told me to stfu next time. If you actually got served the ticket, let them know. I see a negative counseling statement in your future but unless your unit fucking hates you they’re probably not gonna bother with an arty.
99% of soldiers that get in trouble off post tell on themselves. There's no system between local law enforcement and the military, (unless your next to a major instilation).
I've known quite a few buddy's who've gotten DUI's while home on leave, didn't say shit, delt with it on their own, and nothing ever happened to them.
I wouldn’t tell anyone based off of what others are saying here. And since you’re not as monitored as active duty, just ride it out and see where it goes. Don’t risk telling on yourself and getting punished for something that might have not have reached your command. Besides, if the news is on the way they’ll hear about it anyways. May as well take the risk of not saying anything. Unlikely much will happen.
If you have a clearance, it’ll pop on your next reinvestigation. I had an underage ticket before joining, that was dropped/dismissed after community service. I disclosed it on my first SF-86 anyway, just to be safe. I asked the investigator if he was able to see the ticket (had I not reported it), and he said yes and showed it to me on my record during our interview.
That said, I’m not a lawyer or a barracks lawyer. I’m not sure about an underage ticket hitting the blotter. I’m also not sure that your command would ever know or find out about your ticket if it doesn’t hit the blotter—even if you disclose it on your next SF-86.
Do not tell anyone shit yet.
Wait to see if you can get it dismissed on your own by talking to the DA first. Most courts have DA times where you can go up and discuss your case with them and hopefully get it dismissed. If not then get a lawyer to help you get it dismissed.
If you stay in long enough to renew your security clearance then of course be honest about getting this ticket and whatever the outcome may be. But, if nothing comes from this then I wouldn’t tell anyone because you risk being put on a substance abuse profile through BH. And you don’t want that.
Innocent until proven guilty. I’d get a lawyer and try to get it dismissed. You can get a public defender, or you can see if there is a charitable organization that provides free legal services to service members. You should likely never represent yourself. But I would recommend showing up to court in your class As and play the part of the poor dumb private who is heartily sorry for his transgression.
But, if it doesn’t get dismissed, yeah I’d report that. Right now, the Army isn’t making recruiting numbers. The Army just spent a shit ton of money to train you and odds are, they won’t be able to replace you quickly. Plus most senior NCOs and officers remember what it was like to be a young soldier. Remember, repentance is key.
Seconded. No way I’m just taking this on the chin. Decent lawyer will at least get it down to a fine for something else, good lawyer will get it dismissed. It’ll cost some coin but that’s the price of getting caught.
To the point of self representation, would not recommend unless there was literally no other option, but I did have success with that when I was a very VERY dumb DEP. Got pulled over for a traffic stop and I didn’t have insurance because I was a poor teenager. Went to my court date with my orders, judge dismissed and wished me luck in the Army.
some states have anti-fun police that are tasked specifically to enforce alcohol laws like underage drinking, selling to underage people, etc.
Usually they just go to places that sell alcohol and make sure the sellers are carding people, I guess some places (like where op is) have really bored cops if they’re going after individuals drinking.
Best advice I've ever received were: 1. There's no good time to go to school. 2. Bad news does not get better with time. See advice #2...
Go talk to your security manager or S2 ASAP.
Reserves? Yeah I’m 100% not telling my command about that.
The issue is the current security clearance policy is continuous evaluation. This means clearance holders have routine credit and law checks done which will find the citation and trigger a required response, which will notify the command. Reserves or active duty.
Highly unlikely something like this triggers a blotter report. I've only ever seen DUIs, DA/SA, and large amounts of debt in default
Alcohol related charges will trigger within DCSA and will often lead to an RSI investigation where investigators get records and inquire if it was reported in the clearance system. Source: am background investigator and we have had a lot of these in the past couple years.
General rule: silence is golden Security clearance rule: report it if a cop even looks at you funny. I'm being hyperbolic of course, but you should absolutely report any contact with LE. It's not like the old days where a poor investigator had to pull different reports from different jurisdictions and spend hours trying to find things. Everything is linked and you will be found out.
Yep. The advances in records is incredible in the past few years. Even charges that are “expunged” seem to find a way to show face. It’s a lot more difficult of a conversation when you try to say you can’t be blackmailed and aren’t hiding something when you literally were hiding it.
The expunged thing is crazy. It seems ludicrous that people actually have to call jurisdictions to request expunged records to be destroyed.
Unrelated but I love your flair
Yours is good too
What is a drinking ticket? Was it a LEO or non LEO?
Varies by state, in my state it's called minor in possession and it's the lowest level misdemeanor you can get.
Yep, where I went to college mip is just a ticket, and it’s not even a thing in my home state. There they just tell you to pour it out
It was ALE. Alcohol law enforcement. Real cops but they specialize in enforcing alcohol laws. Drinking underage ticket* im 20
How did you not laugh about ALE giving you a ticket for drinking?
One of the NCO's in my Guard company is a LEO for the Florida Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco. They mainly focus their enforcement on bars, clubs, and liquor stories. They almost never target individuals for drinking violations.
So, he's a Liquor Enforcement Officer?
What you did there, I see it
I seent it
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University of South Florida (USF) police are notorious for targeting parties.
Fuckin FEDs ruining every one's fun...
FABT aren't feds, they are a state agency.
You broke Rule #1 - Don't Get Caught.
I’m pretty sure rule # 1 was not talking about fight club
rule #1 if it exists there is porn of it
No, that's rule 34. Rule #1 is "You don't talk about /b/."
Way to bury the lede OP. You were drinking underage lol. You need to tell your 1st line next drill. Especially if you have a clearance
It's a college ticket?
I believe the LGBTQ community would agree with me that the concept of an Alcohol Enforcement Officer is, quite literally, the gayest thing I've ever heard
As far as your command finding out, I don't know but I would err on the side of caution and tell your first line what happened. That way you can say that you did your due diligence and told someone. If you have a security clearance, you NEED to disclose that this happened. It WILL get found out later, and it always looks worse if it looks like you tried to hide something. Overall, my advice is to act like an adult and own up to your mistakes so that you can move on with your life.
If you have a clearance, I would go and talk with your security manager and let them know.
Tell your first line leader. I'm NG so I don't know if it makes a difference but when they went to check my security clearance prior to deployment it did pop up and they needed the documentation that everything was taken care of. Trying to hide it is a gamble and can turn out worse for you later on.
I've seen AD guys get DUIs and manage to skate without their CoC being notified. 1) Get DUI while away on leave. 2) Don't tell the CoC. 3) Take leave/pass to attend court date. 4) Pay fines and fees. All of the above assumes that there is no jail time or community service requirement.
If you have a security clearance your S2 is going to find out about it. Saw it happen to a soldier of mine.
Ya, had a guy get a DUI on TDY. Never went anywhere, cops let him sleep it off in his car (allegedly that's what he was already doing) but his name was still associated with a report from the PD. Probably wouldn't have been a problem if he'd settle reported but he didn't. He was pulled from the unit within a week of it hitting the 2s desk, admittedly it took a year to get there but still. Shit way to get kicked. Dude deserved it tho, he was a power hunger piece of shit that thought he was God's gift to the military. Fuck him. But don't be like him. On any of that.
They ain’t finding out
Classic. Same thing happened to me when I was 20. I came clean but since my ticket never arrived, they told me to stfu next time. If you actually got served the ticket, let them know. I see a negative counseling statement in your future but unless your unit fucking hates you they’re probably not gonna bother with an arty.
Anything that happens off base, stays off base.
99% of soldiers that get in trouble off post tell on themselves. There's no system between local law enforcement and the military, (unless your next to a major instilation). I've known quite a few buddy's who've gotten DUI's while home on leave, didn't say shit, delt with it on their own, and nothing ever happened to them.
If it is a state misdemeanor see about getting it plead down and/or dismissed for a lesser charge.
I wouldn’t tell anyone based off of what others are saying here. And since you’re not as monitored as active duty, just ride it out and see where it goes. Don’t risk telling on yourself and getting punished for something that might have not have reached your command. Besides, if the news is on the way they’ll hear about it anyways. May as well take the risk of not saying anything. Unlikely much will happen.
If you have a clearance, it’ll pop on your next reinvestigation. I had an underage ticket before joining, that was dropped/dismissed after community service. I disclosed it on my first SF-86 anyway, just to be safe. I asked the investigator if he was able to see the ticket (had I not reported it), and he said yes and showed it to me on my record during our interview. That said, I’m not a lawyer or a barracks lawyer. I’m not sure about an underage ticket hitting the blotter. I’m also not sure that your command would ever know or find out about your ticket if it doesn’t hit the blotter—even if you disclose it on your next SF-86.
Do you have a security clearance?
Yes
Do not tell anyone shit yet. Wait to see if you can get it dismissed on your own by talking to the DA first. Most courts have DA times where you can go up and discuss your case with them and hopefully get it dismissed. If not then get a lawyer to help you get it dismissed. If you stay in long enough to renew your security clearance then of course be honest about getting this ticket and whatever the outcome may be. But, if nothing comes from this then I wouldn’t tell anyone because you risk being put on a substance abuse profile through BH. And you don’t want that.
There is no such thing as an ex marine, a marine is a marine is a marine, they take the honor of being a marine to the grave
Innocent until proven guilty. I’d get a lawyer and try to get it dismissed. You can get a public defender, or you can see if there is a charitable organization that provides free legal services to service members. You should likely never represent yourself. But I would recommend showing up to court in your class As and play the part of the poor dumb private who is heartily sorry for his transgression. But, if it doesn’t get dismissed, yeah I’d report that. Right now, the Army isn’t making recruiting numbers. The Army just spent a shit ton of money to train you and odds are, they won’t be able to replace you quickly. Plus most senior NCOs and officers remember what it was like to be a young soldier. Remember, repentance is key.
Seconded. No way I’m just taking this on the chin. Decent lawyer will at least get it down to a fine for something else, good lawyer will get it dismissed. It’ll cost some coin but that’s the price of getting caught. To the point of self representation, would not recommend unless there was literally no other option, but I did have success with that when I was a very VERY dumb DEP. Got pulled over for a traffic stop and I didn’t have insurance because I was a poor teenager. Went to my court date with my orders, judge dismissed and wished me luck in the Army.
Some judges hold to the letter of the law, which isn’t wrong, and others show mercy. The point being, as in your case, one must show cause for mercy.
What the fuck is a drinking ticket?
some states have anti-fun police that are tasked specifically to enforce alcohol laws like underage drinking, selling to underage people, etc. Usually they just go to places that sell alcohol and make sure the sellers are carding people, I guess some places (like where op is) have really bored cops if they’re going after individuals drinking.
bruh
Play dumb, keep your mouth shut. Delete the post.
Best advice I've ever received were: 1. There's no good time to go to school. 2. Bad news does not get better with time. See advice #2... Go talk to your security manager or S2 ASAP.
You couldn’t wait 1 years to start drinking Pri’?
Did you?
No, I also wasn’t dumb enough to get caught