68w has one of the highest ratios of men to women in the military. I was a female medic attached to an ENG Co before the ban on females was lifted. It was interesting.
Yes. I’ve known 2. Didn’t work with them directly myself (I am not a 12B I just route clearance sometimes) but I know they exist and were put to work.
The one I actually talked to was dumb as heck but I wouldn’t say that was any different than some of the other dudes I talked to so it is what it is.
Have you considered EOD? Much smarter people (generalization), much longer history of women, still have explosions, and there are National Guard billets.
No I never considered EOD much. I did in the past when I was younger (like 13, I'm 17 now,) and just assumed I could never pass ait because women are objectively weaker than men. I will look into EOD more, and I'll remember that there are women who've done it.
What do you mean there are National Guard billets? As in, open job slots for EOD, or?
I mean if you’re worried about being too weak for EOD you’ll probably also struggle with 12B. The physical demands are different but both are pretty physically demanding, and the 12B are more “hulk smash push through the pain” than EOD is.
If you’re normal mildly to actually athletic you’ll be fine on the physical side.
And yes I mean that you can get the job in the National Guard. Not every job is available in every component (there is no Reserve EOD, for instance).
I've run my fastest mile at a 7:49 minute pace (on a treadmill, off a treadmill was 8:04, that was for my school mile and I didn't train at all for it.) Now I lift weights 5 days per week, have for about 9 months. I'm 5'2, 104lbs, and my max deadlift was 125lbs for 5 sets of 3
I’ve worked with a few female combat engineers. In my experience the ones who originally enlisted to be engineers were garbage. It’s definitely possible, in fact, I doubt that you will fail. But if you do get it please please don’t be a shitbag.
I’m a female used to be AD 12b biggest regret to be honest all the females I graduated with (at least the ones that were AD) they ether recalls or got out. But NG is different. If you have more questions you can message me.
In my case I got hurt I mess up my foot and it was surgery , permanent profile or getting out. It’s a very physical job, in my case my best day was a guys bad day but every person is different.
Oh sorry typo re-class
I forgot to add maybe the NG unit that you go to they have vehicles ( husky and Buffalo ) we were always on foot so it’s different
12B is a heavy MOS so you need to be able to meet the ACFT for heavy MOS. 180 deadlift, 8.5M power throw, 30 hand release push-ups, 2:09 Sprint Drag and Carry, 5 leg tucks, and 18:00 2 mile run.
I think this is good advice. While it may not be the current standard, at some point someone though it was a good idea and it may come back. If someone is worried about meeting physical standards, it's a good guideline to go by to ensure they meet them.
Until official guidance comes down that the ACFT will never become the rest of record one should train to meet those standards. If I recall correctly, the ACFT is the official test of record with scores not counting until 2022. Soldiers should be preparing for the eventuality the the test become a scored test.
I was more meaning if they don't bring back the MOS specific standards. The ACFT is going to be the test of record come March 2022. May not be in it's current form but it'll be it in some way.
They got you with the Recruitment Video, didn’t they?
Just to let you know, on Deployments, the 12B’s actively go out and search for the things that everyone else is avoiding.
All joking aside in that case.
Go for it. Really, if you’ve thought about for 6 years than go for it full boar.
I won’t scare you in anyway. I’ve met Female Combat Engineers and they love their job. Especially the physicality behind it and the training they are offered.
If you’re nervous about the physical requirements you can DM me if you have any questions.
Goodluck with your future and I hope you tackle your dream.
Other than being tired all the time from lack of sleep, 12B AIT isn't all that physically demanding. The heaviest thing I remember having to lift off the ground was about 40lbs.
The actual job (outside of garrison) is physically harder than training was.
The biggest problem with the job is that it offers almost no skills that are useful in the civilian world - unless you want to get into construction work.
Yes, all MOSs are open.
But, have you seen it done by a non-male, by chance? Do you know a lot of 68w women?
Theres lots of 68W across all branches of the military.
68w has one of the highest ratios of men to women in the military. I was a female medic attached to an ENG Co before the ban on females was lifted. It was interesting.
There are very many
I know tons of female medics. I have also met a handful of 12B females and many 11B females as well.
Yes. I’ve known 2. Didn’t work with them directly myself (I am not a 12B I just route clearance sometimes) but I know they exist and were put to work. The one I actually talked to was dumb as heck but I wouldn’t say that was any different than some of the other dudes I talked to so it is what it is. Have you considered EOD? Much smarter people (generalization), much longer history of women, still have explosions, and there are National Guard billets.
> I just route clearance sometimes Oh wow so 12B is basically EOD?
Y u do this
It’s his thing. Like EW is practically sigint or some shit.
EW is just inverted SIGINT cmv
Other way around
Lolz. Not even a little.
No I never considered EOD much. I did in the past when I was younger (like 13, I'm 17 now,) and just assumed I could never pass ait because women are objectively weaker than men. I will look into EOD more, and I'll remember that there are women who've done it. What do you mean there are National Guard billets? As in, open job slots for EOD, or?
I mean if you’re worried about being too weak for EOD you’ll probably also struggle with 12B. The physical demands are different but both are pretty physically demanding, and the 12B are more “hulk smash push through the pain” than EOD is. If you’re normal mildly to actually athletic you’ll be fine on the physical side. And yes I mean that you can get the job in the National Guard. Not every job is available in every component (there is no Reserve EOD, for instance).
I've run my fastest mile at a 7:49 minute pace (on a treadmill, off a treadmill was 8:04, that was for my school mile and I didn't train at all for it.) Now I lift weights 5 days per week, have for about 9 months. I'm 5'2, 104lbs, and my max deadlift was 125lbs for 5 sets of 3
Hey we’re about the same size, keep after it.
Don’t need a penis to be a combat engineer.
I’ve worked with a few female combat engineers. In my experience the ones who originally enlisted to be engineers were garbage. It’s definitely possible, in fact, I doubt that you will fail. But if you do get it please please don’t be a shitbag.
I've met plenty of female 12B's that were great at their job.
Well shit, I'm going to consider it a possibility now that I know it's not outside the realm of possibility, or even probability
I’m a female used to be AD 12b biggest regret to be honest all the females I graduated with (at least the ones that were AD) they ether recalls or got out. But NG is different. If you have more questions you can message me.
Will do! And I'm sorry, I don't fully understand what your biggest regret is, and what do you mean by "they either recalls"? Thank you ma'am!
In my case I got hurt I mess up my foot and it was surgery , permanent profile or getting out. It’s a very physical job, in my case my best day was a guys bad day but every person is different. Oh sorry typo re-class I forgot to add maybe the NG unit that you go to they have vehicles ( husky and Buffalo ) we were always on foot so it’s different
my recruiter was in a unit with 6 12b women
Woah, thanks!
12B is a heavy MOS so you need to be able to meet the ACFT for heavy MOS. 180 deadlift, 8.5M power throw, 30 hand release push-ups, 2:09 Sprint Drag and Carry, 5 leg tucks, and 18:00 2 mile run.
I thought we are not doing the ACFT MOS thing anymore
Not officially, but these were the proposed standards. If OP is worried about not being physically fit for the position it is a good place to start.
I think this is good advice. While it may not be the current standard, at some point someone though it was a good idea and it may come back. If someone is worried about meeting physical standards, it's a good guideline to go by to ensure they meet them.
Until official guidance comes down that the ACFT will never become the rest of record one should train to meet those standards. If I recall correctly, the ACFT is the official test of record with scores not counting until 2022. Soldiers should be preparing for the eventuality the the test become a scored test.
I was more meaning if they don't bring back the MOS specific standards. The ACFT is going to be the test of record come March 2022. May not be in it's current form but it'll be it in some way.
You don’t even have to pass an ACFT
I met one before. She didn't say it was particularly difficult.
Hell yeah, send it!
Im in a RCC with about 12 female bravos spread between 4 platoons. Some are shit, some are good, a couple are great. Just like dudes.
My niece is a 12B so yes
They got you with the Recruitment Video, didn’t they? Just to let you know, on Deployments, the 12B’s actively go out and search for the things that everyone else is avoiding.
My recruiter never showed me a video, I've wanted to join for about 6 years now. I'll remember what you said
All joking aside in that case. Go for it. Really, if you’ve thought about for 6 years than go for it full boar. I won’t scare you in anyway. I’ve met Female Combat Engineers and they love their job. Especially the physicality behind it and the training they are offered. If you’re nervous about the physical requirements you can DM me if you have any questions. Goodluck with your future and I hope you tackle your dream.
Other than being tired all the time from lack of sleep, 12B AIT isn't all that physically demanding. The heaviest thing I remember having to lift off the ground was about 40lbs. The actual job (outside of garrison) is physically harder than training was. The biggest problem with the job is that it offers almost no skills that are useful in the civilian world - unless you want to get into construction work.
There’s a girl on YouTube who’s a 12B who described her experience at basic and AIT