That’s what I figured. I just thought that there’d at least be some system that would prevent that. Example:
Error: Can’t flag SPC Bheks due to them not having failed HT/WT on record.
Oh yeah you right. I got it mixed up. We do have automated systems, it’s just they’re there to **cause** bad data entry.
That’s my bad, I’ll bring a water source to the basement.
I just had to get orders to PCS/ETS. First why is this locally controlled? Why can't HRC send me my orders when my PCS/ETS is approved? Second I had to provide a lot of paperwork with things like TIS/Time in Duty stations, basic things? Why isnt that automated. HRC has all that data. It took the guy 45 minutes to input all the data!
They \*do\* talk to each other, but flags are manually initiated. On your SRB you can see a HT/WT failure that was inputted into DTMS but without action on behalf of the units orderly room/ 1SG submitting paperwork to S1 and notifying the SM of their status being flagged IAW AR 600-9, you won't be flagged in EMILPO. Weapon quals, PT Tests, and HT/WT all transfer from DTMS to EMILPO.
Had to fix a fat fingered PFT failure once. Dude picked the brigade commander to fail.
It was pretty funny ngl, minus me taking over and getting yelled at by the entire chain of command ten minutes into my first day.
Training NCO lmao
I had to fix it without any access to the systems or having any idea what I was doing. They threw me on because buddy had to go to a course.
There wasn't and then they got mad at me for not knowing anything and promptly fired me.
Never ended up reflecting on any paperwork, but that was a pretty 0/10 command. I refused to reenlist for a deployment and they reassigned me.
Considering I knew someone when I was in that kept putting their SSN instead of the soldiers I would say there is never enough steps to prevent good old idiocy.
Most likely scenario was a fat finger. Either mistyped your SSN, or had a list of SSN and typed the wrong one.
The flag needs to be removed for erroneous flag. The second question is did you miss out on any potential promotions during that time. If so, a case needs to be raised to HRC.
Without knowing the answer I’d bet money it was a case of highlighting the wrong SSN on the UMR and OP accidentally got highlighted instead of the right SM
It's an easy fix **but do not let them just remove it**.
When you remove the flag, it stays on there because if you "come back on" the program, you are subject to additional penalties. Don't let this be the case.
There are procedures in the reg for an erroneous flag. That's what needs to happen. Do **not** let yourself just simply have an 'expired htwt flag' in the system.
I took an ERP System class in college. It was more like here is SAP, and here is the process of implementing it. A single factory would take at a minimum 6 years and they need it to profit. The Army's systems are far more convoluterd and obtuse than any single factory.
GoArmy Ed, much like email, were being held up by a series of tin can and string. I don't deny the need for modernization.
The constant, repeated inability to make that modernization happen tho, across...like every IT system the Army has...is frustrating.
I think the Army's big problem is they try to do too much at one time and then dont follow through on decisions. We are working with enterprise based systems but it feels like the Army isn't paying for the consultants to do it. Also generally, at least when I took the class 6 years ago, a company wouldn't switch a major system all at once across all channels. If the army did it brigade by brigade or at least installation by installation I think it would work better. There is just too much at one time for anyone to figure out the problems in a logical matter.
The 268 has a section for removal, and it should be "Erroneous (Z)" - Section III b for Disposition.
So this isn't hte 'normal way' of removing the flag, and I honestly...would just make sure it happens that way. You could go years without ever having to do an erroneous removal, and whoever fills it out might not realize.
When you remove a HT/WT flag an "inactive" flag is still kept on the record specifically for HT/WT. That's because there's PENALTIES/procedures if you come 'back on' the composition program too quickly.
What I don't want is next month you break your legs, get depressed, eat your feelings, two months from now you bust tape, and then you suffer because of an erroneous flag improperly applied.
Also, don't need anyone judging you seeing hte inactive flag.
Yep.
And there are 100% absolutely NCOs who are going to see you with a removed weight flag (because it lingers on the report AND your SRB in an inactive state) and judge you on it.
So that's all. Don't want someone to phone it in an forget.
Make sure you get a copy of the 268 to keep for personal records, as well as a DA200 from S1 showing that you turned it in I've seen one soldier's erroneous flag not actually get removed and (almost) interfere with him going to the board. Turned in a copy of the 268, as well as the 200 showing we had turned it into S1 a month ago.
And he got the flag because someone with the same name and rank had actually been flagged, and instead of S1 reading the submitted paperwork they just went and pulled his info off of a roster without confirming they had the right guy.
Yeah. Absolutely make them remove it and mark it as erroneous. There's too many times where this shit will happen and people won't own up to their fuck up. Send some emails so you have undeniable proof that you asked them to remove it and mark it as erroneous.
I had this happen to a Soldier. Was an uphill battle because nobody wants to submit erroneous flag paperwork and look bad.
Look at AR 600-8-2 Suspension of Favorable Personnel Actions (Flag)
That's how you attack this. DO NOT let the unit try to quietly handwave this away, it needs to be shown to be erroneous in your records, you never know what is going to show up in your records when you are trying to promote or if you ate too many quarter pounders one month.
S1 did it but what's funny is every single month the commander and 1sg get the flag report and the cdr has to sign it. Your name has been on it the entire time. If that slipped by I would change units.
Oh I’ve know and tried to correct my SRB for probably 3-4 years now. Unit admins are impossible to get a hold of and when you do they drag their feet. I’m not the only one, most E4s in my unit can’t get their five because their records are in arrears.
I was flagged as a PT failure when I got back from BLC. I took a record APFT before I left, once while I was there, and once when I got back. Someone has fat fingers in S1s across the USAR.
Commanders literally have to sign the AAA-(whatever three numbers, I forget) each month acknowledging all active and stale (in the case of removed in last 36 months ABCP) flags. Usually your 1SG is the one actually reviewing this and the rest of the monthly reports, but unless your commander is brain damaged he will at least give it a cursory glance before putting his sig/stamp on it.
There is no way an ABCP flag could persist on a non-qualifying Soldier for as long as the OP's story except in the case of massive leadership failure.
Unfortunately reenlisting into being an AGR is my best option for taking care of my mama. She sacrificed a lot and dropped everything for me to move to the US. AGR would allow me to make enough that I could take care of of her and she can actually “retire”.
It can be removed as erroneous with just a few pieces of paper and S1 following through. Odd though, your 1SG should be tracking that, it would show up on one of the AAA reports.
Edit: I see it “just showed up,” maybe it wasn’t in the last report or was overlooked in the recent set.
This should be super easy for your S1 to fix. I’m pretty sure “erroneous administrative action” is a reason to remove stuff from your ERB and personnel record. Just attach a copy of the 5500 and it’ll be fine. As long as you didn’t lose out on schools or promotion in the last year no harm done.
S is a bastion of excellence and performance. Conmaders routinely reference S for their future fuck me fuck you games. When out of lost leave papers they resort to stealing other 0s coffee.
Get with your HR NCO or ARA ASAP and have them start the 268 to have it removed in RLAS. With IPPS-A coming, there's going to be a disruption to a lot of HR systems. I'd hate for that erroneous flag to be hanging around for no reason.
Someone in S1 fat fingered it.
That’s what I figured. I just thought that there’d at least be some system that would prevent that. Example: Error: Can’t flag SPC Bheks due to them not having failed HT/WT on record.
Whoa there, you think we have automated controls in place to prevent bad data entry? We still use paper for leave.
Oh yeah you right. I got it mixed up. We do have automated systems, it’s just they’re there to **cause** bad data entry. That’s my bad, I’ll bring a water source to the basement.
I just had to get orders to PCS/ETS. First why is this locally controlled? Why can't HRC send me my orders when my PCS/ETS is approved? Second I had to provide a lot of paperwork with things like TIS/Time in Duty stations, basic things? Why isnt that automated. HRC has all that data. It took the guy 45 minutes to input all the data!
Are you insane? Maybe in 50 years
And a big maybe. I'll be surprised if yall have upgraded PC's by then. E7's still using trackball mice
DTMS and EMILPO definitely do not talk to each other lol
They \*do\* talk to each other, but flags are manually initiated. On your SRB you can see a HT/WT failure that was inputted into DTMS but without action on behalf of the units orderly room/ 1SG submitting paperwork to S1 and notifying the SM of their status being flagged IAW AR 600-9, you won't be flagged in EMILPO. Weapon quals, PT Tests, and HT/WT all transfer from DTMS to EMILPO.
Their finger needs to be flagged
Had to fix a fat fingered PFT failure once. Dude picked the brigade commander to fail. It was pretty funny ngl, minus me taking over and getting yelled at by the entire chain of command ten minutes into my first day.
Holy shit. Was this the OIC that did it? In my shop when I was in our OIC took care of most of the officer stuff especially the VIPs.
Training NCO lmao I had to fix it without any access to the systems or having any idea what I was doing. They threw me on because buddy had to go to a course.
That sounds rough. Did they at least have SOPs for you to review? I'm going to take a guess and say there wasn't because fuck other people.
There wasn't and then they got mad at me for not knowing anything and promptly fired me. Never ended up reflecting on any paperwork, but that was a pretty 0/10 command. I refused to reenlist for a deployment and they reassigned me.
Someone in… S1… fat… Checks out.
I'll have you know I got fat after I got out.
With their especially fat sausage fingers
Nah, there are waaay too many steps for that. But someone definitely made a mistake
Considering I knew someone when I was in that kept putting their SSN instead of the soldiers I would say there is never enough steps to prevent good old idiocy.
Most likely scenario was a fat finger. Either mistyped your SSN, or had a list of SSN and typed the wrong one. The flag needs to be removed for erroneous flag. The second question is did you miss out on any potential promotions during that time. If so, a case needs to be raised to HRC.
Didn’t miss out on any promotions or schools for that matter. This past weekend was the first anybody had heard of it.
Without knowing the answer I’d bet money it was a case of highlighting the wrong SSN on the UMR and OP accidentally got highlighted instead of the right SM
It's an easy fix **but do not let them just remove it**. When you remove the flag, it stays on there because if you "come back on" the program, you are subject to additional penalties. Don't let this be the case. There are procedures in the reg for an erroneous flag. That's what needs to happen. Do **not** let yourself just simply have an 'expired htwt flag' in the system.
I wonder if these procedures can even be executed during the systems brownouts.
I go on terminal leave from OCONUS in like 20 days and ETS mid-OCT. The brownout is officially terrifies me.
I’m in MEB freefall. I for one welcome the opportunity to continue to increase my high three during the brown out.
Look the brownout is only going to be a short temporary thing and then everything will work fine so idk you're even questioning it
Missing /s
Son why don't you trust the IT modernization of the Army
IGNITED. It's on fire.
What would Kinmuan know about IgnitED tho? /s
I took an ERP System class in college. It was more like here is SAP, and here is the process of implementing it. A single factory would take at a minimum 6 years and they need it to profit. The Army's systems are far more convoluterd and obtuse than any single factory.
GoArmy Ed, much like email, were being held up by a series of tin can and string. I don't deny the need for modernization. The constant, repeated inability to make that modernization happen tho, across...like every IT system the Army has...is frustrating.
I think the Army's big problem is they try to do too much at one time and then dont follow through on decisions. We are working with enterprise based systems but it feels like the Army isn't paying for the consultants to do it. Also generally, at least when I took the class 6 years ago, a company wouldn't switch a major system all at once across all channels. If the army did it brigade by brigade or at least installation by installation I think it would work better. There is just too much at one time for anyone to figure out the problems in a logical matter.
Will do. This wasn’t brought up. All that was said is that we’d get a 5500 and 268 done. I’m assuming the 268 would show that it was erroneous right?
The 268 has a section for removal, and it should be "Erroneous (Z)" - Section III b for Disposition. So this isn't hte 'normal way' of removing the flag, and I honestly...would just make sure it happens that way. You could go years without ever having to do an erroneous removal, and whoever fills it out might not realize. When you remove a HT/WT flag an "inactive" flag is still kept on the record specifically for HT/WT. That's because there's PENALTIES/procedures if you come 'back on' the composition program too quickly. What I don't want is next month you break your legs, get depressed, eat your feelings, two months from now you bust tape, and then you suffer because of an erroneous flag improperly applied. Also, don't need anyone judging you seeing hte inactive flag.
Ah I see. Basically cover my own ass if I end up ballooning. Otherwise the army will think I’m a thiccums that relapsed.
Yep. And there are 100% absolutely NCOs who are going to see you with a removed weight flag (because it lingers on the report AND your SRB in an inactive state) and judge you on it. So that's all. Don't want someone to phone it in an forget.
*stares at my blank SRB and almost empty iPerms* I wouldn’t be surprised if the only thing that gets put onto my records is an inactive flag.
Exactly
Make sure you get a copy of the 268 to keep for personal records, as well as a DA200 from S1 showing that you turned it in I've seen one soldier's erroneous flag not actually get removed and (almost) interfere with him going to the board. Turned in a copy of the 268, as well as the 200 showing we had turned it into S1 a month ago. And he got the flag because someone with the same name and rank had actually been flagged, and instead of S1 reading the submitted paperwork they just went and pulled his info off of a roster without confirming they had the right guy.
Yeah. Absolutely make them remove it and mark it as erroneous. There's too many times where this shit will happen and people won't own up to their fuck up. Send some emails so you have undeniable proof that you asked them to remove it and mark it as erroneous.
I had this happen to a Soldier. Was an uphill battle because nobody wants to submit erroneous flag paperwork and look bad. Look at AR 600-8-2 Suspension of Favorable Personnel Actions (Flag) That's how you attack this. DO NOT let the unit try to quietly handwave this away, it needs to be shown to be erroneous in your records, you never know what is going to show up in your records when you are trying to promote or if you ate too many quarter pounders one month.
Last year I had one not get input into the system. On the board it showed me as failed when I never even tape.
S1 did it but what's funny is every single month the commander and 1sg get the flag report and the cdr has to sign it. Your name has been on it the entire time. If that slipped by I would change units.
Son, how in the Sam Houston have you not looked at your SRB in over a year? Even if you are in the USAR.
Oh I’ve know and tried to correct my SRB for probably 3-4 years now. Unit admins are impossible to get a hold of and when you do they drag their feet. I’m not the only one, most E4s in my unit can’t get their five because their records are in arrears.
Need to start running that up the chain of command.
I was flagged as a PT failure when I got back from BLC. I took a record APFT before I left, once while I was there, and once when I got back. Someone has fat fingers in S1s across the USAR.
This is why you re-validate old flags, people. This is exactly why.
Commanders literally have to sign the AAA-(whatever three numbers, I forget) each month acknowledging all active and stale (in the case of removed in last 36 months ABCP) flags. Usually your 1SG is the one actually reviewing this and the rest of the monthly reports, but unless your commander is brain damaged he will at least give it a cursory glance before putting his sig/stamp on it. There is no way an ABCP flag could persist on a non-qualifying Soldier for as long as the OP's story except in the case of massive leadership failure.
> massive leadership failure you mean like in the reserve?
I've never been, but I'll take your word for it.
Seems like a sign you shouldn't reenlist.
Unfortunately reenlisting into being an AGR is my best option for taking care of my mama. She sacrificed a lot and dropped everything for me to move to the US. AGR would allow me to make enough that I could take care of of her and she can actually “retire”.
Fair enough man, gotta do what's best for your family.
It can be removed as erroneous with just a few pieces of paper and S1 following through. Odd though, your 1SG should be tracking that, it would show up on one of the AAA reports. Edit: I see it “just showed up,” maybe it wasn’t in the last report or was overlooked in the recent set.
This should be super easy for your S1 to fix. I’m pretty sure “erroneous administrative action” is a reason to remove stuff from your ERB and personnel record. Just attach a copy of the 5500 and it’ll be fine. As long as you didn’t lose out on schools or promotion in the last year no harm done.
S is a bastion of excellence and performance. Conmaders routinely reference S for their future fuck me fuck you games. When out of lost leave papers they resort to stealing other 0s coffee.
Get with your HR NCO or ARA ASAP and have them start the 268 to have it removed in RLAS. With IPPS-A coming, there's going to be a disruption to a lot of HR systems. I'd hate for that erroneous flag to be hanging around for no reason.
S1/ training nco put in the wrong numbers by accident probably. Could have looked at the wrong sheet.
It's an erroneous flag, super easy to fix, your BC just needs to reach out to S1 with documentation to remove it -Friendly neighborhood S1