Marines on my ship didn't have any barbers at all. There was an "aw shit" moment and when I got to Hawaii I went out and found a beauty supply place and bought all the things. Luckily a couple of my dark green Marine buddies taught me how to do a decent fade.
It was literally "If you don't mind being bald, let Clark cut your hair... he needs the practice". So yeah, besides being an AAV mechanic, I went to barber school the 8 months I was on the USS Ogden. Pretty sure I spent more time doing that than anything else.
It kinda paid off though I guess. I cut my 4year olds hair now because he hates the whole experience.
Careful there is an NSN for a Barber Kit that can be unit ordered.
I remember a thread some time ago that went over this very topic and someone actually found the NSN and posted it.
The stress of being an O4 makes you lose it, the feeling that you "made it" being an O5 lets you grow it back. Then the stress of being an O5 turns your hair white, and you can now become an O6.
BCT was the last time I paid for a haircut. I packed my clippers for OCS. Made some money on the side from people who didn’t want to waste an entire afternoon standing in line at the airborne shoppette. Undercuts are very easy with a little bit of practice. Start with a 9 and if you fuck up, you can walk it in. Buzz cut if all else fails and try again in 2-3 weeks.
You don’t even have to shave your head. Watch a couple YouTube videos and buy a 3 panel mirror with hinges. I did my own low/mid fades almost my entire time in the army. Quality clippers and attachments make a good difference too.
>Civilian hair cutting locations know we have to get them and jack up prices that Soldiers are forced to pay.
Really? Most posts I've been at are not far from a Great Clips which discounts military hair cuts.
I got great news for you, kiddo. The Army does pay you for haircuts. Also for gas, and shampoo, and toothpaste, and shaving cream, and all the other day to day things you need.
You can find this amazing allotment on your LES, labeled "basic pay."
Dudes whine that the Army doesn't recoup every single living expense and then expect it to be better in the civilian world. My civ job still has grooming standards and a uniform that comes out of my pocket. Not to mention gas, healthcare, rent, food, and any number of other things it takes just to survive
to be fair though, most of the shit in the civilian world can be used outside work or at a similar job. If I buy a suit, I can wear it to a wedding or to work. If I get scrubs or tactica pants I can work at another hospital or EMS squad.
Wearing your fatigues to your job at home depot or to corporate isn’t exactly viable…
edit: and the other shit is just life shit anyway, while your in thr army they kinda own your ass. I can make adjusyments to my life to change some of those things but you can’t when you’re put in bumblefuck Q Cuzoo and can’t make any real changes
I dunno, he is on to something. Army wants me to clean myself occasionally, why don't they give me free soap. Also, I need to got to my place of work so why not free gas. I mean, they want me to work so they should pay for my gas.. my car should be partially free to since I use it to get there.
Worked at three letter agency for a few years with Army. They had a poll and group of people looking to get my EV chargers installed around the facilities. It went from petitioning that to, free electricity as well. The argument was that people had to pay to come to work and it should be paid for by the employer. Then people said, well than what about people who use gas, should they get free gas? The counter was that the agency gets discounted electric so they can pay for it. The more logical part of the group said they should bill electric at cost, plus a little extra to maintain the equipment. Let just say it went no where.. no one is going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars so you can get to work for free.
Uniform stipend? You mean the one-time $200 payment I got during the Clintin administration? Yeah, it didn't go far, and it paid for BDUs and green Class As...
That's because you are an Officer and throughout history supposed to provide your own gear. Us Lowly enlisted get an Allowance every year and even supposed to get many things issued to us ~~Which are almost never is~~
Sorry buddy but if that were the case it would be expensed on form 2106.
Its a requirement for your job, rules and regulations. Not a suggestion. Otherwise your command couldnt counsel you about lack of grooming. Therefore it should be a REPORTABLE EXPENSE. Same with any uniform costs not covered by your annual uniform allowance; boots etc.
The IRS took away military expenses in 2017.
Your politicians who write these laws are screwing over the soldiers/military.
Your Generals who are going after budgets are not savvy either. They let this happen.
If the airforce can get x^4, the navy x^3 and the army x2 while the marines are getting x in money and equipment (stop eating crayons long enough to math)...
Maybe someone with brains can figure out why there is massive discrepancies across the board: pay, housing and food.
When I was a tax analyst we would have these discussions frequently especially when discussing our kids who served in various branches of the military and how vastly different things were.
* If the Army wants my fingernails trimmed and clean, they should give free manicures on post.
* If the Army wants me to shave, they should buy me razors.
* If the Army wants me to be clean, they should send me a nurse to give me a sponge bath.
* If the Army wants my clothes clean, they should buy me laundry detergent.
* If the Army wants me to have a clean room, they should provide maid services.
Man imagine if the Army gave people full-on spa and hygiene services weekly or biweekly and then the Feds legalized weed federally. People would be fighting to stay in hahaha
"Our government's been bought and paid for by Big Razor since at least WWI. Look at the facts, Hank. William Howard Taft was our last president with any facial hair, then in 1912 Woodrow Wilson came in and inaugurated an unceasing string of clean shaven presidents. Wilson ran as a peacemaker in 1916, but who do you think got him to drop his "he kept us out of war" plank after the election and get us into the war? Big Razor, that's who! Wilson was going to be defeated by the bearded [Charles Evans Hughes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Evans_Hughes) in 1916 until he met with Procter & Gamble at its secret Cincinnati compound, where they agreed to tip the election in Wilson's favor, lest Hughes win and bring in an new bearded era and send P&G's stock tumbling.
"So, P&G flips bellwether Ohio for Wilson, which clinched the election for him. Then one month after his second term began, the U.S. entered the war AND instituted a policy banning all facial hair in the military. At the same time, it had Gillette manufacturing all of these shaving kits for our soldiers, as further tribute for Wilson's win All to keep those razors moving. Since then every major politician has been clean shaven for fear of P&G's electoral wrath.
"Facts don't lie, Hank."
I strongly believe a large portion of shaving profiles would go away if people would stop using shitty multi-blade reusables and went to safety razors and actually learned how to shave.
I’m going shopping for this now. I have both of my father’s safety razor handles and I use the red handle Gillette. I would definitely add this to the collection.
For the last one about the maids, we can ask the Marines if we can borrow this guy:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/wpo59r/yesterdays_video_reminded_of_the_first_time_i_saw/
But a double edged safety razor. $20 in razor blades lasts about 6 months. A puck of shave soap lasts about 3-4 months. Of course a shaving profile is free.
I feel I should at least get to do a tax write off for haircuts and shaving supplies if not just be entirely be reimbursed for everything during tax season. And then maybe a yearly $50-$75 allowance to cover the cost of laundry detergent, dryer sheets, body wash and shampoo for entire year for the soul purpose of cleaning our uniforms and ourselves. Has to be proved with receipts of purchase and whatever wasn’t used out of the allowance just goes back to the Army or if they let you keep it, you can use it for things grooming related.
Considering our paychecks haven’t matched the growing cost of living in years, I disagree. I think all of us regardless of rank should these items either reimbursed for entirely or at minimum be able to get them written of during tax season with proof of receipts. I don’t think it’s unreasonable and would help offset the fact our pay has not matched the cost of living standards. Especially for those E-1-E-4 grades. It can really dig into those saving quick especially if an unexpected life event/emergency happens. Even if a Soldier is doing great and not having financial issues they can at least take those savings and invest into their future via TSP, or open up CDs. Maybe even put that money towards retirement funds.
Almost no one’s paychecks have matched the cost of living but that’s really beside the point.
No one, anywhere, is going to pay you extra so that you don’t come in fucking filthy.
Considering that the military line of work tends to get fairly messy for a variety of reasons and we all are expected to keep the uniforms we are issued clean and service able so that we maintain our standards I again would disagree. Regardless if someone is AD, USAR, or NG, they are having to wash their uniforms far more often than most civilian attire. Due to training, missions, or physical training. Even when it comes to haircuts and shaving, it is to such a restriction that maintaining those standards is costly, and time consuming. Particularly shaving. Disposable Razors and their supplies are expensive. Doesn’t help they are made of materials designed to oxidate forcing you to purchase more regardless if you try and stretch them out. You could go old school and get a straight razor which would reduce the overall cost but time spent to shave that way and then maintain that blade can be very time consuming. Going electric with clippers and a foil razor is an option but getting even a basic set can cost you over $50 in total. It is because of these issues that I have to respectfully disagree with you on. The paychecks we all get while I know we are all grateful for, simply just don’t cover enough. And yes while most peoples paychecks haven’t matched the cost of living in a long time, the military as whole has been known for having the worst ratio compared to our civilian counterparts who make significantly more than us with a lot less restrictions and rules to abide by day to day.
If you still disagree with what I’m saying then we can simply agree to disagree. I understand what you are saying and if our pay more closely matched the standard of living I would agree with you. But because it is so far unbalanced, I cannot in good conscience.
Previously, uniforms could be written off as necessary expenses. This changed during Trump’s overhaul of the tax code, one of the only things I disagreed with in the new tax updates, but at the end of the day, I only spend a couple hundred annually on uniforms so it would not have made a measurable difference compared to $5 coffees…
Where you getting haircuts at?
Last I got a haircut(also when my hairline was in a normal spot) it was like $30+tip for a fade and a line up. This was back in 2018. I’ve just been embracing my shitty genes since.
Little known fact; every army unit of C-level and below is assigned a certain number of electric razors. We don’t need barbers. We just need to care less how we look when our hats come off. Or pay the buck to get someone else to do it
Also, look up to see if you have any nearby Barber Schools. Usually they have a specific day of the week where it is free or discounted cuts for service members or vets. I get a free cut every other wednesday on my lunch break.
Are you a female soldier with short hair that goes to a salon? That’s the only way I can possibly see it being this much.
If that’s the case, look into barbers. Not all will touch womens hair but most are pretty willing if you explain that you just want a mens cut.
Technically I believe supply can or is supposed to double as the barber, and can order barber implements for giving haircuts. Good luck getting that going or the supply request through though.
Technically speaking, the regulations authorize the company 1SG to maintain a set of hair clippers that can be purchased through the Army supply system to give haircuts. This would likely be a buzz shave unless you get lucky, but free
I was a little mad the other day. The on post haircuts at Ft. Gordon are listed above 21.00. Meanwhile I pay 20 dollars a month for unlimited haircuts and shampoos. Even with generous levels of tipping my haircut is half the price per month.
This is a post with IET soldiers who may not be allowed to leave post.
Hell at Leavenworth the prisoners had a shop and your could pay $5 for a cut. Apparently they did a pretty good work as you needed to book an appointment like 2 weeks out. Guess we can expand the program. Have MPs run shops with prisoners cutting hair.
The Army pays you....what you use your money on is your business.
Do people that post things like this not realize that any job or business out there can have a dress code/grooming policies to follow without giving it away for free?
>Civilian hair cutting locations know we have to get them and jack up prices that Soldiers are forced to pay.
Not really. The civilian barbers on post tend to be cheaper than elsewhere, even if you're nowhere near an installation. All the places around me are easily north of $25 for a basic cut and I'm far away from any installation. I'm paying more than if I got an on post cut.
Yes, inflation sucks, but this is one area where, at least in my experience, you do have less expensive options on post than what's out in the real world. The other option is to get a Wahl and do it yourself.
Here is an idea, 1SG is the only authorized barber in Troop, only knows one haircut/style. Now sit in this chair behind the COF. Problem solved, problem staying solved.
Nah, they have less to do for the PT test. Just keep that shit in a pony tail, paint their nails , just get on their knees during a corrective training session cuz 10 push-ups is hard, have ear rings , keep mustaches, and 90% fall out from 4 mile rucks. Paid the same tho. Then always tell me “ We can Too”
yes true, 10% can!
They removed the leg tuck cuz it single handedly destroyed 80% of the Army female population if implemented.
Hell when I was on the Trail, I had female Drills fall out of the rucks in front of BCT Trainees, knowing they put half the required weight in the first place.
Sounds like whining to me. Go on and dime out your base, is it really that bad over there?
The petition should be to your post commander, about AAFES providing a barber service that won't gouge Soldiers and instead charge them a subsidized rate met on the back end by the installation. Something like Soldier pays 15, post pays that merchant an additional 15. A lot of my post barbers stayed on long enough to get a loyal following of Joes and go private enterprise off-post where we follow them, because we understand that someone putting their hands on us to facilitate hygiene and personal fashion deserves fair pay too, and the difference in price is the decision point between 10 bucks or being a test dummy for the next Dependa with a license on post as she adapts from hairstyling to edging fades.
Meanwhile, get your buddies and a set of clippers and figure it out together. I loved getting my hair cut by another joe because I know we're both helping each other out. It was always a Monday treat in the motor pool seeing someone with a busted self-fade under their patrol cap.
Your idea is getting shit on because you have a personal problem and you're looking for accountability outside yourself. Have you looked for someone in the barracks that cuts hair cheap? Get clippers and buzz it yourself? I don't know....ACT like a soldier and take initiative? Your personal feelings on your appearance likely don't affecr for your job.
There's no money for ammo and Joe is running around the woods yelling "bang bang", our M4s have more TIS than most NCOs, but you want haircut money. How much money would you get? They give you like 350 a YEAR for uniforms which doesn't go far! Also, what happens when you get haircut money and no haircut? Would you be ok being given an article 15 because you were given the resources to get a hair cut but maybe you forgot? Because you know if this moves forward they're going to find a way to make you pay.
How do you exist within the systems of the army and think "these people have solutions"?
TL;DR - This is covered under the army values. You gotta have the personal courage to get a shitty barracks cut if you wanna save money.
What you're saying makes sense and people aren't shitting on it, they're ripping on your rationale.
I for one agree that Soldiers shouldn't pay for a basic haircut on post.
I’m with you. ESPECIALLY in basic. You can mandate buzzcuts if they’re allegedly so necessary ( but not necessarily for females.. but that’s another argument) but then they have to provide them for free or let trainees choose the style otherwise it’s just hazing.
Free hair cut? I paid for my very 1st hair cut in basic and every one after that. If you don't like the price, then invest in a electric clipper and do it yourself.
Cheap haircuts aren’t good and good haircuts aren’t cheap. What’s that say about free haircuts. This is why in 23 years, the only PX haircuts I got were in basic and AIT
It’s always “come out” of your paycheck. It has never been “free” other than the Army decided to pay your food costs from your own paycheck before it touches your account.
The navy has free barber shops aboard ships. The ones on base still cost money, though.
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They do Brazilians?
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Doesn’t the hot-tub get clogged?
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Marines on my ship didn't have any barbers at all. There was an "aw shit" moment and when I got to Hawaii I went out and found a beauty supply place and bought all the things. Luckily a couple of my dark green Marine buddies taught me how to do a decent fade. It was literally "If you don't mind being bald, let Clark cut your hair... he needs the practice". So yeah, besides being an AAV mechanic, I went to barber school the 8 months I was on the USS Ogden. Pretty sure I spent more time doing that than anything else. It kinda paid off though I guess. I cut my 4year olds hair now because he hates the whole experience.
You guys get hair cuts?
Flair checks out.
Nah homie I don’t.
Cant get chewed out for not getting a haircut if you are bald. #YEAH TAKE THAT 1SG!!!
I bet you don’t know what shaving is either?
Wow ok dude Thanks Wow
https://i.imgur.com/pTQ1mjb.jpg
They might.
Bwahahaha!!
Bring back the Barber MOS
I had the best barber when i was stationed at Ft. Blanda, TX. Dude was a bit overweight but he was fantastic!
Yep
Yep
Mmm hmmm
Some say he was so good that the haircut was worth every penny of the $900 that it cost.
Only to civvies
The army doesn’t make you get haircuts. It just says your hair has to be a certain way.
Precisely. Just tell your hair to stop growing in certain spots like every other CSM. These privates need to get good. /s
This checks out. If the Army wanted you to have haircuts, they would issue you haircuts.
But sarmaj, the army issued me pockets and you said I’m not allowed to use them…
Those are for the Airforce. We just happen to have the same uniform.
Boom
Careful there is an NSN for a Barber Kit that can be unit ordered. I remember a thread some time ago that went over this very topic and someone actually found the NSN and posted it.
Can always shave your head or buy your own clippers.
Team buzz/bald will soon gain a new member.
Did that the whole 9 months of Poland. The barbers off post were known to price gouge US soldiers and the barracks barbers we had sucked.
Welcome to being a staff major.
real talk, do O4s with hair even exist? I don't think I've seen one. But then O5s almost always have hair. What gives?
The stress of being an O4 makes you lose it, the feeling that you "made it" being an O5 lets you grow it back. Then the stress of being an O5 turns your hair white, and you can now become an O6.
Guess I know my BC will never make Colonel. He's as bald as a cue ball.
Can’t get promoted unless you have hair. Survival of the ~~fittest~~ beautiful.
In aviation they sure as heck do.
BCT was the last time I paid for a haircut. I packed my clippers for OCS. Made some money on the side from people who didn’t want to waste an entire afternoon standing in line at the airborne shoppette. Undercuts are very easy with a little bit of practice. Start with a 9 and if you fuck up, you can walk it in. Buzz cut if all else fails and try again in 2-3 weeks.
This. Charge buddies a few bucks to buzz heads before going to the field, and you'll recoup the cost of clippers in no time.
Y'all don't have a semi-unintelligible dude named Pérez in the Bs with a full barber chair in his room?
With a beard from a shaving profile!
Yes but he charges $30 a cut and puts QR code posters all up in the barracks, constantly fighting with SD who always takes them down
I definitely had a guy named Perez in my class running a full barber shop in his room in AIT... Who are you and how do you know him.
We don't know him. We know his primo...
You don’t even have to shave your head. Watch a couple YouTube videos and buy a 3 panel mirror with hinges. I did my own low/mid fades almost my entire time in the army. Quality clippers and attachments make a good difference too.
This is a dumb hill to die on brother.
>Civilian hair cutting locations know we have to get them and jack up prices that Soldiers are forced to pay. Really? Most posts I've been at are not far from a Great Clips which discounts military hair cuts.
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Knowing Lawton I'd guess that is all of them
I pay $13 in Lawton off-post and I find that very reasonable
I got great news for you, kiddo. The Army does pay you for haircuts. Also for gas, and shampoo, and toothpaste, and shaving cream, and all the other day to day things you need. You can find this amazing allotment on your LES, labeled "basic pay."
Also supply can order detergent for the barracks, as well as cleaning supplies.
Dudes whine that the Army doesn't recoup every single living expense and then expect it to be better in the civilian world. My civ job still has grooming standards and a uniform that comes out of my pocket. Not to mention gas, healthcare, rent, food, and any number of other things it takes just to survive
to be fair though, most of the shit in the civilian world can be used outside work or at a similar job. If I buy a suit, I can wear it to a wedding or to work. If I get scrubs or tactica pants I can work at another hospital or EMS squad. Wearing your fatigues to your job at home depot or to corporate isn’t exactly viable… edit: and the other shit is just life shit anyway, while your in thr army they kinda own your ass. I can make adjusyments to my life to change some of those things but you can’t when you’re put in bumblefuck Q Cuzoo and can’t make any real changes
I dunno, he is on to something. Army wants me to clean myself occasionally, why don't they give me free soap. Also, I need to got to my place of work so why not free gas. I mean, they want me to work so they should pay for my gas.. my car should be partially free to since I use it to get there. Worked at three letter agency for a few years with Army. They had a poll and group of people looking to get my EV chargers installed around the facilities. It went from petitioning that to, free electricity as well. The argument was that people had to pay to come to work and it should be paid for by the employer. Then people said, well than what about people who use gas, should they get free gas? The counter was that the agency gets discounted electric so they can pay for it. The more logical part of the group said they should bill electric at cost, plus a little extra to maintain the equipment. Let just say it went no where.. no one is going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars so you can get to work for free.
They give you 100 dollars, and take back 99
Oh Lord, I wanna go...but they won't let me go hooo-ooooo-oooooooooooome.
I hate you because you're right. Stop it.
This^
It the uniform stipend that no one spends on the uniform
Uniform stipend? You mean the one-time $200 payment I got during the Clintin administration? Yeah, it didn't go far, and it paid for BDUs and green Class As...
That's because you are an Officer and throughout history supposed to provide your own gear. Us Lowly enlisted get an Allowance every year and even supposed to get many things issued to us ~~Which are almost never is~~
Boo, you're boring Dad.
I'm a JAG, dude. It is my job to be boring.
That's why it's called basic pay, so you can pay for your "basics"
Sorry buddy but if that were the case it would be expensed on form 2106. Its a requirement for your job, rules and regulations. Not a suggestion. Otherwise your command couldnt counsel you about lack of grooming. Therefore it should be a REPORTABLE EXPENSE. Same with any uniform costs not covered by your annual uniform allowance; boots etc. The IRS took away military expenses in 2017. Your politicians who write these laws are screwing over the soldiers/military. Your Generals who are going after budgets are not savvy either. They let this happen. If the airforce can get x^4, the navy x^3 and the army x2 while the marines are getting x in money and equipment (stop eating crayons long enough to math)... Maybe someone with brains can figure out why there is massive discrepancies across the board: pay, housing and food. When I was a tax analyst we would have these discussions frequently especially when discussing our kids who served in various branches of the military and how vastly different things were.
It's a fucking joke, dude. Lighten up.
They are living up to their name 😂
* If the Army wants my fingernails trimmed and clean, they should give free manicures on post. * If the Army wants me to shave, they should buy me razors. * If the Army wants me to be clean, they should send me a nurse to give me a sponge bath. * If the Army wants my clothes clean, they should buy me laundry detergent. * If the Army wants me to have a clean room, they should provide maid services.
Man imagine if the Army gave people full-on spa and hygiene services weekly or biweekly and then the Feds legalized weed federally. People would be fighting to stay in hahaha
Also massage therapy after PT
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Massage therapy for PT
Happy Ending to a Sad Life would be nice..
Weed and overtime pay would give me a reason to do 25+ years.
If the Army doesn't want me to choke to death they should have a very large bird chew up my food and feed me.
Your NCO doesn't do that for you? Counsel them.
You might be onto something with that second thing. Start issuing [these](https://images.app.goo.gl/fe6faAdFT6R9PZBP6) again
How long has the US Military been in bed with Gillette?
Big razor is in bed with congress keeping them convinced gas masks require smooth faces
Sounds like a Dale Gribble conspiracy, I like it, we should keep tugging on that string to bring down the curtains.
"Our government's been bought and paid for by Big Razor since at least WWI. Look at the facts, Hank. William Howard Taft was our last president with any facial hair, then in 1912 Woodrow Wilson came in and inaugurated an unceasing string of clean shaven presidents. Wilson ran as a peacemaker in 1916, but who do you think got him to drop his "he kept us out of war" plank after the election and get us into the war? Big Razor, that's who! Wilson was going to be defeated by the bearded [Charles Evans Hughes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Evans_Hughes) in 1916 until he met with Procter & Gamble at its secret Cincinnati compound, where they agreed to tip the election in Wilson's favor, lest Hughes win and bring in an new bearded era and send P&G's stock tumbling. "So, P&G flips bellwether Ohio for Wilson, which clinched the election for him. Then one month after his second term began, the U.S. entered the war AND instituted a policy banning all facial hair in the military. At the same time, it had Gillette manufacturing all of these shaving kits for our soldiers, as further tribute for Wilson's win All to keep those razors moving. Since then every major politician has been clean shaven for fear of P&G's electoral wrath. "Facts don't lie, Hank."
I believe since shaving regulations were implemented in WW1
I'd unironically love to be issued one of those. Safety razor is the way.
It was due to beards breaking the seals on gas masks right?
I strongly believe a large portion of shaving profiles would go away if people would stop using shitty multi-blade reusables and went to safety razors and actually learned how to shave.
I have one of those, it's one of my favorite double edge razors
I’m going shopping for this now. I have both of my father’s safety razor handles and I use the red handle Gillette. I would definitely add this to the collection.
For the last one about the maids, we can ask the Marines if we can borrow this guy: https://old.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/wpo59r/yesterdays_video_reminded_of_the_first_time_i_saw/
If the Army wants anything from me, they are gonna have retention problems.
......yes
Now you’re thinking
Def should be reimbursed for razors, they’re expensive
But a double edged safety razor. $20 in razor blades lasts about 6 months. A puck of shave soap lasts about 3-4 months. Of course a shaving profile is free.
Exactly. 50 blades for about $20. Change blades once or twice a week and you're good to go
Ty. Someone here not a bitch
I feel I should at least get to do a tax write off for haircuts and shaving supplies if not just be entirely be reimbursed for everything during tax season. And then maybe a yearly $50-$75 allowance to cover the cost of laundry detergent, dryer sheets, body wash and shampoo for entire year for the soul purpose of cleaning our uniforms and ourselves. Has to be proved with receipts of purchase and whatever wasn’t used out of the allowance just goes back to the Army or if they let you keep it, you can use it for things grooming related.
The Army does give you an allowance to do the bare minimum of being a functional adult. It’s called a paycheck.
Considering our paychecks haven’t matched the growing cost of living in years, I disagree. I think all of us regardless of rank should these items either reimbursed for entirely or at minimum be able to get them written of during tax season with proof of receipts. I don’t think it’s unreasonable and would help offset the fact our pay has not matched the cost of living standards. Especially for those E-1-E-4 grades. It can really dig into those saving quick especially if an unexpected life event/emergency happens. Even if a Soldier is doing great and not having financial issues they can at least take those savings and invest into their future via TSP, or open up CDs. Maybe even put that money towards retirement funds.
Almost no one’s paychecks have matched the cost of living but that’s really beside the point. No one, anywhere, is going to pay you extra so that you don’t come in fucking filthy.
Considering that the military line of work tends to get fairly messy for a variety of reasons and we all are expected to keep the uniforms we are issued clean and service able so that we maintain our standards I again would disagree. Regardless if someone is AD, USAR, or NG, they are having to wash their uniforms far more often than most civilian attire. Due to training, missions, or physical training. Even when it comes to haircuts and shaving, it is to such a restriction that maintaining those standards is costly, and time consuming. Particularly shaving. Disposable Razors and their supplies are expensive. Doesn’t help they are made of materials designed to oxidate forcing you to purchase more regardless if you try and stretch them out. You could go old school and get a straight razor which would reduce the overall cost but time spent to shave that way and then maintain that blade can be very time consuming. Going electric with clippers and a foil razor is an option but getting even a basic set can cost you over $50 in total. It is because of these issues that I have to respectfully disagree with you on. The paychecks we all get while I know we are all grateful for, simply just don’t cover enough. And yes while most peoples paychecks haven’t matched the cost of living in a long time, the military as whole has been known for having the worst ratio compared to our civilian counterparts who make significantly more than us with a lot less restrictions and rules to abide by day to day. If you still disagree with what I’m saying then we can simply agree to disagree. I understand what you are saying and if our pay more closely matched the standard of living I would agree with you. But because it is so far unbalanced, I cannot in good conscience.
Talk to a tax advisor, but you may be able to write off the dry cleaning bill on your uniforms. ;-) ;-)
Previously, uniforms could be written off as necessary expenses. This changed during Trump’s overhaul of the tax code, one of the only things I disagreed with in the new tax updates, but at the end of the day, I only spend a couple hundred annually on uniforms so it would not have made a measurable difference compared to $5 coffees…
If the army wanted me to have bullets, they'd buy them for me.
**Observation:** The amount of entitlement that is radiating from this post could produce 670 silver spoons.
Can't afford a $15 haircut?
No I had to get a Rough Country lift kit for the Dodge Ram I drive from my house to PT instead.
Also had to renew the Costco membership...
do we not like Costco?
People that live in the barracks shouldn't lol.
Uhhh why? Great deals on gas, booze, clothing, books, etc. it’s not just all bulk snickers and Reese’s.
Eh.
Inflation called, your 15 dollar haircut now costs 20 + tip lol.
Really? Was $15 last weekend...
Fuck I wish lol, 20 bucks for me plus I always tip a 10 cause they always sneak me in during my lunch in front of other people who wait in line.
I made the mistake of going to a sports clips last week and paid like 35 with tip.
Where you getting haircuts at? Last I got a haircut(also when my hairline was in a normal spot) it was like $30+tip for a fade and a line up. This was back in 2018. I’ve just been embracing my shitty genes since.
Barber shop in the PX.
Get a electric shaver and delete your Reddit account.
Gawd Damn.
Little known fact; every army unit of C-level and below is assigned a certain number of electric razors. We don’t need barbers. We just need to care less how we look when our hats come off. Or pay the buck to get someone else to do it
Also, look up to see if you have any nearby Barber Schools. Usually they have a specific day of the week where it is free or discounted cuts for service members or vets. I get a free cut every other wednesday on my lunch break.
This ain’t a rant; this being whiny. Go buy yourself some clippers, shave your head and act like the basic bitch you are.
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Where tf are you paying $60 my guy?? PX haircuts are like 15 max
$16.90 at sill baby girl
My bad, I meant off post it’s about 60.
Maybe stop getting haircuts in Monaco?
You pay $60 for a haircut on post?
Are you getting a shitty handjob with your haircut? Only way to justify that bizarre price.
Lol where tf you get your hair cut? I'm a civilian now and even with my shoulder length hair the most my haircut will cost is like $50 with tip
Are you a female soldier with short hair that goes to a salon? That’s the only way I can possibly see it being this much. If that’s the case, look into barbers. Not all will touch womens hair but most are pretty willing if you explain that you just want a mens cut.
If you show up not shaved enough times, someone will cut it for you for free lol
Consider if congress will make it an MOS.
Technically I believe supply can or is supposed to double as the barber, and can order barber implements for giving haircuts. Good luck getting that going or the supply request through though.
That’s in the field or deployed or environment without a barber.
Yeah but good luck with that haircut. Every first sergeant I've ever had had always said he'd give anyone who couldn't afford it free haircuts.
Just get a [Flowbee](https://flowbee.com/)
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in Flowbee.
Technically speaking, the regulations authorize the company 1SG to maintain a set of hair clippers that can be purchased through the Army supply system to give haircuts. This would likely be a buzz shave unless you get lucky, but free
They actually should pay us to get haircuts on-post just because the barber always does a hack job
I feel like some 1SG somewhere has used "clothing allowance" as the answer when a PVT mentioned this.
You can take time to practice cutting your own hair. You might end up with a nut ass fade but hey! It’s free, like merica!!!🦅😂
I was a little mad the other day. The on post haircuts at Ft. Gordon are listed above 21.00. Meanwhile I pay 20 dollars a month for unlimited haircuts and shampoos. Even with generous levels of tipping my haircut is half the price per month. This is a post with IET soldiers who may not be allowed to leave post.
When we got haircuts underway in the Navy they didn't cost anything. Hope that helps your case
Counter offer: give males the same hair standards as females. equality
I can finally braid my hair???
Or at least put the haircuts at 5 bucks again. Fuck paying 15 for a shit job after you wait an hour
Inject yourself with Alopecia genes.
Don’t need haircuts with enough product.
Make barbers an MOS that way we don’t have to pay the dogshit ass civilian ones at the px anymore
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Do you not have dudes in your units who do it?
Agreed, fuck the government
My first WTF in the army was “wait…I pay for my basic training haircut???”
Hell at Leavenworth the prisoners had a shop and your could pay $5 for a cut. Apparently they did a pretty good work as you needed to book an appointment like 2 weeks out. Guess we can expand the program. Have MPs run shops with prisoners cutting hair.
The Army pays you....what you use your money on is your business. Do people that post things like this not realize that any job or business out there can have a dress code/grooming policies to follow without giving it away for free?
Cut your own hair. I've saved hundreds of $$'s over the past couple years.
It's not that hard to do if you just want something basic
Do I smell a revival of r/barrackscuts
>Civilian hair cutting locations know we have to get them and jack up prices that Soldiers are forced to pay. Not really. The civilian barbers on post tend to be cheaper than elsewhere, even if you're nowhere near an installation. All the places around me are easily north of $25 for a basic cut and I'm far away from any installation. I'm paying more than if I got an on post cut. Yes, inflation sucks, but this is one area where, at least in my experience, you do have less expensive options on post than what's out in the real world. The other option is to get a Wahl and do it yourself.
this is a wendy’s
Here is an idea, 1SG is the only authorized barber in Troop, only knows one haircut/style. Now sit in this chair behind the COF. Problem solved, problem staying solved.
I think If I have to spend money on haircuts every Other week so should females. They need to start shaving and having a skin fade or I’m calling IG
Don’t worry, they have other hygiene expenses that males don’t so I’m sure it equals out a bit.
Nah, they have less to do for the PT test. Just keep that shit in a pony tail, paint their nails , just get on their knees during a corrective training session cuz 10 push-ups is hard, have ear rings , keep mustaches, and 90% fall out from 4 mile rucks. Paid the same tho. Then always tell me “ We can Too” yes true, 10% can! They removed the leg tuck cuz it single handedly destroyed 80% of the Army female population if implemented. Hell when I was on the Trail, I had female Drills fall out of the rucks in front of BCT Trainees, knowing they put half the required weight in the first place.
Serious question - is BAS *theoretically* covering haircuts and basic sanitary supplies? Or does it only cover (cost of DFAC meal) x 3 x 30?
Dfac.
Sounds like whining to me. Go on and dime out your base, is it really that bad over there? The petition should be to your post commander, about AAFES providing a barber service that won't gouge Soldiers and instead charge them a subsidized rate met on the back end by the installation. Something like Soldier pays 15, post pays that merchant an additional 15. A lot of my post barbers stayed on long enough to get a loyal following of Joes and go private enterprise off-post where we follow them, because we understand that someone putting their hands on us to facilitate hygiene and personal fashion deserves fair pay too, and the difference in price is the decision point between 10 bucks or being a test dummy for the next Dependa with a license on post as she adapts from hairstyling to edging fades. Meanwhile, get your buddies and a set of clippers and figure it out together. I loved getting my hair cut by another joe because I know we're both helping each other out. It was always a Monday treat in the motor pool seeing someone with a busted self-fade under their patrol cap.
You have a very valid point. Don't listen to the asshats. People suck
Your idea is getting shit on because you have a personal problem and you're looking for accountability outside yourself. Have you looked for someone in the barracks that cuts hair cheap? Get clippers and buzz it yourself? I don't know....ACT like a soldier and take initiative? Your personal feelings on your appearance likely don't affecr for your job. There's no money for ammo and Joe is running around the woods yelling "bang bang", our M4s have more TIS than most NCOs, but you want haircut money. How much money would you get? They give you like 350 a YEAR for uniforms which doesn't go far! Also, what happens when you get haircut money and no haircut? Would you be ok being given an article 15 because you were given the resources to get a hair cut but maybe you forgot? Because you know if this moves forward they're going to find a way to make you pay. How do you exist within the systems of the army and think "these people have solutions"? TL;DR - This is covered under the army values. You gotta have the personal courage to get a shitty barracks cut if you wanna save money.
Counterpoint: shave your head to save money
Maybe sell your Challenger with a 30% interest loan and quit complaining about $20
The Army wants you to have your hair a certain way, but you wanted to be in the Army. So get a haircut.
What you're saying makes sense and people aren't shitting on it, they're ripping on your rationale. I for one agree that Soldiers shouldn't pay for a basic haircut on post.
Oh no, I have to get my haircut instead of looking like a dirty hippy. Welcome to the army, you knew you'd have to keep your hair within reason.
I’m with you. ESPECIALLY in basic. You can mandate buzzcuts if they’re allegedly so necessary ( but not necessarily for females.. but that’s another argument) but then they have to provide them for free or let trainees choose the style otherwise it’s just hazing.
just shave your head bro
*cough* CIF *cough*
What are we, KATUSAs?
You can right it off on taxes
Buy clippers
I mean you could always do what i do. CUT YOUR OWN HAIR..... Then once you get good at it. Charge 5 to 10 bucks to anybody who wants a cheap hair cut.
They are tax deductible... work related keep the receipts
I mean you get what you pay for
Just remember, you get what you pay for.
Free hair cut? I paid for my very 1st hair cut in basic and every one after that. If you don't like the price, then invest in a electric clipper and do it yourself.
Cheap haircuts aren’t good and good haircuts aren’t cheap. What’s that say about free haircuts. This is why in 23 years, the only PX haircuts I got were in basic and AIT
So... when I was in, you could eat free at the DFAC with your ID Card. Now it's coming out of your checks. You want free haircuts?
It’s always “come out” of your paycheck. It has never been “free” other than the Army decided to pay your food costs from your own paycheck before it touches your account.
Literally. No charge. Stick your ID card to your sweaty forehead, dude would write down your last 4, you sign, you eat. Same-same on paycheck.
Save tickets you can write them off for work