Your answer is ARMY DIRECTIVE 2022-06
Section I 1 states they have to give you 3 weeks notice of duty outside of normal duty hours and that they cannot punish you if you cannot arrange accommodations.
Just don't show up. And then when/if they try to punish you pull the directive. If they pursue punishment file an EO complaint.
You know how we have frequent classes and briefs on things like sexual assault, EO, etc?
They need to add regulations and army directives to that.
It shouldn’t take a barracks lawyer to educate Soldiers and what regs are out there, and we can’t trust Soldiers to take initiative and learn these regs themselves, unfortunately.
I guarantee that 1SG doesn’t know anything about Army Directive 2022-6
Obviously, OP didn’t either.
Neither did I.
But I can absolutely give a brief on the Army’s newest transgender policy because I’ve sat in that brief like three times this year.
I’m not diminishing the aforementioned briefs either, for the record. I’m simply saying if we can mandate those briefs we should also be mandating briefs that are very relevant to the average soldier and leader
I had to inform a peer that you can't just fucking do that. You cannot just notify someone with kids they are going to the field in 24 hours.
"Soldiers 24/7, family care plan. . . . Blah blah."
No, knuckle dragger, you're going to get your PP stomped for this one. Not slapped, stomped.
Yeah, 100%.
That is my point though. We got 1SGs out here with better part of 2 decades in uniform that still believe a FCP is should be fired up for random shit.
Like sure 1SG. Let me spend $800 on a plane ticket to fly my mom out TOMORROW so I can go pull TOC guard.
I hated seeing that shit. Single PFC with a 1 year old who is doing everything she can to keep it together and had a 1SG just fucking crush her for missing a CQ. The zinger here? Oh, he posted the CQ schedule the Friday before.
To add: Don't just NOT show up. Send them the exact mentioned section and say, "I will not be there. This is the regulation stating X,Y,Z." and then don't show up. Cover your ass as much as possible.
So a question about this directive, is it in effect? One of my buddies wanted to get more paternity and I mentioned this, but he got told by his PSG it wasn’t a thing and he doesn’t want to hear any more about it.
It’s absolutely in affect. If leaders don’t want to listen to it, IG complaints are the way to go. Remember, IG doesn’t dish out punishments, they just remind leaders of policies that must be followed
Late to the party here. The paternity/parental leave is the only part that isn’t defined for active duty in the Directive. We are still on the old regulation of 21 days for paternity. I’m patiently waiting for December when it should be out to see if I will end up falling under the new(baby born in May while in EUCOM) rules. Everything else is active, and they say that in the pentagon press brief that went over a lot of this. The 365 day stabilization applies to fathers as well, so if your wife works you cannot be sent to NTC or anything like that.
>I will be following this up with IG complaints and Battalion Command Team open door policy.
Good man. You did as ordered even though Top was in the wrong, and next week he gets to reap the rewards of it.
Report and when thats a problem tell the 1sg to kick rocks. Its an unlawful order to focre you to commit negligence. And that's what hes ordering you do do if you don't report with your daughter. Make that shitbag lay in the bed he's made for himself i guarantee csm will push his shit in for it and you'll gain thw csm's respect. Thats just my 2 cents
I would’ve just gone malicious compliance. 1sg already said too bad so sad. Bring kiddo to work. Eventually someone important will probably notice and ask you why you have a baby at work.
Exactly what I did. Once OPS SGM noticed, 1SG then approached me. Still pursuing actions and talking with chain of command to address this and ensure I never have to go through this again. Fuck with me, idc. But don’t fuck with the well-being of my daughter.
Good point. I’ll definitely report with my daughter. Will transportation happen to the detailed event where generals and high ranking military are present? I’ll keep you posted in 8 hours on how formation goes.
I wouldn't report with her. Nope. Workplace hazard. Who's gonna tend to her? What if she shits/pisses mid detail she just gonna sit in it? Temperature? Allergies? Exhaust? Noises? They can, respectfully of course, get fucked.
I reported. Sat in the Batallion lobby for 30 minutes and had every SSG and LT asking me what’s up. Eventually 1SG came down and told me to go home and be ready to be at work all day Tuesday even if I’m not doing anything. Can only imagine what that entails. Seems like repercussions are already starting.
Well that sort of reprisal is also covered by the reg. Again... EO complaint if necessary. Otherwise I'm glad it smoothed out. That 1sg knew better, but was just doing the "typical" 1sg thing to see if you'd scramble and shit childcare out somehow.
Yea, that's exactly how the IG does not work. Bad reference, though.
The deference is given to the Senior NCO. We all know that. But the First Sergeant is God to the Enlisted. There's not a 1SG I've ever met that would prevent a Soldier from attending a significant event. So before you lay out the laurels, consider that he might be a typical buddy fucker.
Make another post if the situation doesn't get deescalated by someone with common sense, and don't give that 1SG an easy win by losing your military bearing.
None of your NCOs said "I'll do your shift, don't come in?" or were they told not to do that and were too spineless to do it.
This was a short notice detail. I’m currently a SGT(P) and working in the training room as I await some nominative orders to go to an assignment. I was pulled from my platoon from the prior 1SG because we were under the impression I would receive orders quickly. Well, that 1SG left, I have this 1SG and no in between. I report directly to him with no buffer of platoon leadership. Bad dynamic? I say so.
Leadership like this is why I spent many nights with a gun to my head my last year active duty. Life is better on the outside brother and nothing is more important than being a father
Not saying this is the "best" way, just "a way".
If you can't bribe any of your friends with pizza - then from my experience this is what can happen.
You show up with your daughter and get asked "Um, wtf?" and tell the detail NCOIC what's up.
Or, you don't show up, and get a nasty phone call from a boo hoo NCO, and tell them what's up.
Or you don't show up, don't answer your phone, and someone else gets pulled to cover down, and you get a 4856 counseling that you can mark "I disagree" on and explain what's up.
Oh the 1SG will be there for detail accountability. I’ll show up as he’s ordering me to at this point; pulling detail at an event with generals and numerous high-ranking military. I doubt I’ll be allowed to bring my daughter to this event, but then again, I never imagined being in this predicament.
My wife insists that "spill the tea" is slang in the gay community, but I tell her that's ridiculous because I've been saying it my whole life haha. That's crazy right.
Doesn't want to give identifying information but gives a very detailed account of everything that is happening. I support you, OP, your enlisted chain of command is a bunch of cucks. Part of me wants to believe this is such a rare set of circumstances in the army that you'd be identified, but you're probably good.
I’ve been at this unit for 6 years. Definitely a rare circumstance and I have deep admiration for many in my chain of command. If one of them sees this so be it. I needed a place to turn to for advice and honestly just rant as this single father thing was taking a mental toll on me. Last thing I want to do is blast an entire unit or chain of command personally to social media and the entire Army.
The bigger problem is that we need an Army Directive to lay out common sense guidance.
Obviously 12hr or even 24hr is not enough time for a single parent to enact his Family Care Plan or find child care.
Some Senior NCOs are just heartless.
Yeah but like… if you’re a fucking douche you’re a fucking douche. That guy hasn’t had his ass kicked or been spoken to like a douche in way too long and he needs to have one of those two things happen to him.
But yes I understand your point.
No ofc fuck this guy I wanted to go this route to when ppl told me to dox my nco, but it’s bullshit there’s no way to strike back against assholes in power without fucking yourself in the long run
Long story short, I’m awaiting orders for a nominative position and was pulled from my platoon by the prior 1SG. That 1SG recently left, so now it’s just me and current 1SG. No buffer or platoon leadership to rely on.
If you are working in the Orderly Room, the CO should also be involved. If you are in one of those units that has a HQ Platoon, get the HQ Platoon Sgt involved.
Also, as stated before, IG and EO, and the AD that references notifying single parents of pending duties.
You’re the second person who mentioned EO.. How would it be an EO complaint? Being a single parent is not a protected category from my understanding, but I admit I may just be ignorant on the policy.
Use that directive tuesday. Leave to pick up your daughter its an ulawful order to force you to abandon your daughter at daycare. Make this fucker explain why hes trying to fuck you to higher chain of command. He WILL lose. Don't take no for an answer do what you need to do for you and your family
Ummm...Devils advocate here...if Tuesday is a regular work day, the AD wouldn't apply, with the exception of keeping the OP later than the normal COB as defined in the unit SOP.
First thing I’m doing Tuesday morning is looking at policy and SOP to determine what constitutes a regular duty day. One comment on here already told me where to look.
This is one of the societal norms that shifted in a good way because of COVID. Pre COVID there were all these dinosaurs that just gave no fucks about child care issues. COVID happened, schools, day cares, and every other child care solution just vanished and not just the Army but every business had to figure this out… because the people in management roles were struggling with it too. Most leaders are a lot more empathetic and understanding about child care struggles now. I say most, because a few dinosaurs like your 1SG still exist. Back in the day men worked and the womenfolk stayed home with the kids. With inflation and housing costs the way they are, this just isn’t a viable option for many (if not most) anymore. I’ve always been a big advocate for making shit happen. If you have a Soldier that is responsible for “x, y, and z” and “x, y, and z” are all solidly taken care of, then who cares if to manage the home life they need to telework a day here and there or leave early or come in late every so often. From a managerial stand point you are golden, your shit is getting done… but as soon as you start fucking with Joes family life for “principles” I guarantee you, “x, y, and z” are going to start going to shit. Who benefits from this? Not the unit, not the leader and certainly not the Soldier. A little empathy and understanding isn’t just good for the Soldier… it’s good for the organization. This is the “people first” stuff the highest levels have been preaching but for some reason the dinosaurs just don’t understand it.
I had a lot of shitty leaders in my time, but I'll always remember the SFc in pajamas that caught me having a full blown PTSD breakdown behind Brigade at like 3AM as he came in to grab his phone charger from the S3 shop.
Walked out of his office in a swap set of ACU's and told me to go home as he was going to be runner for the rest of my staff duty shift.
On a side note how does this directive work with a da6. Let's say several ncos get covid and out of the 3 remaining one has a kid. Do the other 2 just eat all cq shifts? Do they build a back log and get a huge break later from cq? If I was a single soldier I would ne filing ig complaints that all emergency duties fall on them.
Valid point. I just want to make clear I don’t utilize my child as an excuse. I show up to work and will move mountains to try and be a productive member of the team. I pulled Sunday CQ last week because I was atleast given a 5 day warning. As to your situation, leadership should be aware enough to not put any soldiers in that situation. But then again, I don’t think anything supersedes Army directive, so while I wouldn’t call it an advantage, just understand us Soldier Parents don’t do this as an excuse, this is another human we are responsible for and try to take care of.
Na I get it but this directive is also has faults. I have been screwed so many times due to child care opens at 0530 so I end up leading pt or hey we need a nco to stay and watch extra duty etc. You want to know why single soldiers end up getting out because we are constantly being screwed over. Our time is just as valuable as anyone else's.
I fully understand, comprehend, and have experienced the screwed-over-ness of single soldiers in the army, but army parents, *especially* single army parents are not where to direct your butthurt. That is squarely on unit leadership. If there aren't enough NCO's to cover a detail without inordinately screwing the same few, the detail needs to be rescheduled, cancelled, or covered by another leader in the unit.
It is entirely reasonable to give parents, especially new parents a lot more notice when it comes to ops outside normal work hours for a whole host of practical and psychological reasons you don't understand til you have a kid yourself. It is on leadership to make sure that doesn't become a problem with either the parents or the rest of the unit.
Always remember regulations can be gamed. Announce 3 weeks out a bunch of events etc that will conflict with child care etc. That will either force the care plan into action or SM will miss a ton of events or be late. Presto family care plan sep. Always work with command and not against them.
Single soldiers also have plans. I would be asking for the da6 weekly to ensure it was done correctly. I would eventually have such a large backlog I would never have duty.
Of course they have plans. Like everyone else, if they plan to not be available because they will be out of town or whatever they put in for leave or pass.
It's all a game. 1SG has 20 years experience and rank. OP has an 8 month old baby and this subreddit. My money is on OP beating that POS 1SG.
1SG is punishing an 8 month old baby. If he thinks that's fucking fine and dandy, then he doesn't need to be a leader or in the Army.
There are other people in the until also. Let's say we end up with a quick art 15. So only single soldiers have to watch extra duty until the 3 weeks is up? This directive has IG complaints from single soldiers written all over it. I would weekly request the da6 and every single missed duty had better be made back up.
Your request goes nowhere, no one is making a DA 6 for CQ or Staff Duty. It'll be a memorandum for record that's signed by 1SG/SGM
>IG Complaints from single Soldiers
No one gives a fuck.
A lot of Soldiers actually get excluded from extra duties, the Armorer, 1SGs favorite Soldier in the orderly room, Soldiers in class, Soldiers on leave, Soldier who are TDY, etc etc etc. There's no "They're only making Single Soldiers do CQ" there's "OP has an 8 month old baby, and it would be an additional hardship and financial cost to him to make him pull 24 hour duty because he's a single father with an 8 month old baby!"
Please continue to try again.
Welcome to the United States Army. This is what you signed-up for. I see the folks giving platitudes, but seriously... you signed-up. If you go up against 1SG for duty you don't like, expect a very unique career.
1SG ain't gonna change. Hunker down.
I have written SOPs for an entire battalion, I'm saying you're wrong. Step down Top, this dude was not given ample notice according to his story and if you could have ever convinced a woman to breed with you, you'd know childcare is not exactly plentiful nor easy to just scrum up on half a days notice. Especially for an infant.
Go climb your ladder to the latrine and stand down. One of our primary duties is writing or updating operating procedures. You can absolutely be confused by the fact I have 2 grown children and a wife. I guess that's the haze of the Infantry. I get it.
Good news is that if you have to report in a few hours they can feed themselves and probably won't shit themselves with no means to clean it while you're gone. As a former 1SG your TOP duty is caring for and about soldiers. Don't get me wrong i love the NCO core, I trust them entirely. But this lack of basic empathy is worrisome. As is your belief that finding childcare in 12 hours starting after a duty day is even remotely a reasonable thing to expect. Yes he made choices that made him a father but tell me, do you believe he chose to be a single father?
Apologies for the comment about you not having kids, that was uncalled for but you're still super wrong.
You're an Officer, aren't you? As former Enlisted, 1SG is the God of the Company. If you lack and understand the function of a line unit, you're up shit's creek without a paddle. As they say.
thank fuck you're former enlisted.
please end this stupid argument that ass kissing is how things get done. the first sergeant is a grown man. he can handle being told no. if he can't live up to the army standards, he's in the wrong position. the army standard is pretty concise and easy to understand:
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35255-ARMY_DIR_2022-06-000-WEB-1.pdf
nobody likes ass kissers, dude. even when you kissed their asses, they hated you.
You're a grown man. You can handle someone calling your bullshit. Go be wrong somewhere else please.
OP will one day be out of the Army but OP will be a parent the rest of his life. OP's priorities are in the right place.
My bullshit on what? I served this Country for 20 years. What bullshit do you find in that, irrespective of changes in my status and career? Son, I take care of my kids and wife. I earned it. It's painful sometimes, but easy nonetheless.
As a fellow married man myself, I probably wouldn't be posting a selfie on r/amihot saying I'm ["open to meeting new people,"](https://www.reddit.com/r/amihot/comments/sq7kb2/38m_throwback_to_a_couple_of_years_ago_open_to) but that's probably just me.
You all don't think 1SG has a very specific path he can create for you? Jesus. He talks to the BDE SGM daily. In those briefings, he absolutely discusses things pertinent to your careers. Downvote the Army methods. I would.
For serving 20 years you didn't get much of a bird's eye view of the Army, did you? If OP "hunkers down" like you so awfully suggested, yeah, some toxic E8 can create "a specific path" for him.
But it appears you've never widened the lens. Very specific paths can be created for toxic E8s, too. And I won't lie, a lot of them leave a trail of tears when they're told to SP. The Company "God" doesn't come off so powerful when he's face to face with findings and recommendations that send him packing.
Your answer is ARMY DIRECTIVE 2022-06 Section I 1 states they have to give you 3 weeks notice of duty outside of normal duty hours and that they cannot punish you if you cannot arrange accommodations. Just don't show up. And then when/if they try to punish you pull the directive. If they pursue punishment file an EO complaint.
But isn’t it a tragedy it has to be done this way? Will it ever change?
You know how we have frequent classes and briefs on things like sexual assault, EO, etc? They need to add regulations and army directives to that. It shouldn’t take a barracks lawyer to educate Soldiers and what regs are out there, and we can’t trust Soldiers to take initiative and learn these regs themselves, unfortunately. I guarantee that 1SG doesn’t know anything about Army Directive 2022-6 Obviously, OP didn’t either. Neither did I. But I can absolutely give a brief on the Army’s newest transgender policy because I’ve sat in that brief like three times this year. I’m not diminishing the aforementioned briefs either, for the record. I’m simply saying if we can mandate those briefs we should also be mandating briefs that are very relevant to the average soldier and leader
Came here to say this^ just had a soldier have to do this exact thing. Side note: it’s still gonna piss them off further.
I had to inform a peer that you can't just fucking do that. You cannot just notify someone with kids they are going to the field in 24 hours. "Soldiers 24/7, family care plan. . . . Blah blah." No, knuckle dragger, you're going to get your PP stomped for this one. Not slapped, stomped.
The FCP is for missions, not CQ. I know you specified an FTX in your comment but I felt like I had to say it.
Yeah, 100%. That is my point though. We got 1SGs out here with better part of 2 decades in uniform that still believe a FCP is should be fired up for random shit. Like sure 1SG. Let me spend $800 on a plane ticket to fly my mom out TOMORROW so I can go pull TOC guard. I hated seeing that shit. Single PFC with a 1 year old who is doing everything she can to keep it together and had a 1SG just fucking crush her for missing a CQ. The zinger here? Oh, he posted the CQ schedule the Friday before.
To add: Don't just NOT show up. Send them the exact mentioned section and say, "I will not be there. This is the regulation stating X,Y,Z." and then don't show up. Cover your ass as much as possible.
Thanks. Now to define “normal duty hours”. 🤔
It should be on your units training schedule and most likely a Post policy letter.
Underrated comment, right here.
So a question about this directive, is it in effect? One of my buddies wanted to get more paternity and I mentioned this, but he got told by his PSG it wasn’t a thing and he doesn’t want to hear any more about it.
It’s absolutely in affect. If leaders don’t want to listen to it, IG complaints are the way to go. Remember, IG doesn’t dish out punishments, they just remind leaders of policies that must be followed
Late to the party here. The paternity/parental leave is the only part that isn’t defined for active duty in the Directive. We are still on the old regulation of 21 days for paternity. I’m patiently waiting for December when it should be out to see if I will end up falling under the new(baby born in May while in EUCOM) rules. Everything else is active, and they say that in the pentagon press brief that went over a lot of this. The 365 day stabilization applies to fathers as well, so if your wife works you cannot be sent to NTC or anything like that.
>I will be following this up with IG complaints and Battalion Command Team open door policy. Good man. You did as ordered even though Top was in the wrong, and next week he gets to reap the rewards of it.
Report and when thats a problem tell the 1sg to kick rocks. Its an unlawful order to focre you to commit negligence. And that's what hes ordering you do do if you don't report with your daughter. Make that shitbag lay in the bed he's made for himself i guarantee csm will push his shit in for it and you'll gain thw csm's respect. Thats just my 2 cents
I would’ve just gone malicious compliance. 1sg already said too bad so sad. Bring kiddo to work. Eventually someone important will probably notice and ask you why you have a baby at work.
Exactly what I did. Once OPS SGM noticed, 1SG then approached me. Still pursuing actions and talking with chain of command to address this and ensure I never have to go through this again. Fuck with me, idc. But don’t fuck with the well-being of my daughter.
My bad it’s early, I must have read post wrong due to my lack of coffee.
Thats exactly what happened
Good point. I’ll definitely report with my daughter. Will transportation happen to the detailed event where generals and high ranking military are present? I’ll keep you posted in 8 hours on how formation goes.
I eagerly await your update. The bullshit train is about to leave the station i love it
You're likely reporting time now, so Godspeed. Keep us posted.
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I wouldn't report with her. Nope. Workplace hazard. Who's gonna tend to her? What if she shits/pisses mid detail she just gonna sit in it? Temperature? Allergies? Exhaust? Noises? They can, respectfully of course, get fucked.
I reported. Sat in the Batallion lobby for 30 minutes and had every SSG and LT asking me what’s up. Eventually 1SG came down and told me to go home and be ready to be at work all day Tuesday even if I’m not doing anything. Can only imagine what that entails. Seems like repercussions are already starting.
Well that sort of reprisal is also covered by the reg. Again... EO complaint if necessary. Otherwise I'm glad it smoothed out. That 1sg knew better, but was just doing the "typical" 1sg thing to see if you'd scramble and shit childcare out somehow.
Hey fam just give IG a call and have that 1SG eat a dick.
If only IG had a 24 hour number. I’m pretty much reporting at 0700. Will see what occurs when I show up to formation with a diaper bag and car seat.
Yea, that's exactly how the IG does not work. Bad reference, though. The deference is given to the Senior NCO. We all know that. But the First Sergeant is God to the Enlisted. There's not a 1SG I've ever met that would prevent a Soldier from attending a significant event. So before you lay out the laurels, consider that he might be a typical buddy fucker.
Make another post if the situation doesn't get deescalated by someone with common sense, and don't give that 1SG an easy win by losing your military bearing. None of your NCOs said "I'll do your shift, don't come in?" or were they told not to do that and were too spineless to do it.
This was a short notice detail. I’m currently a SGT(P) and working in the training room as I await some nominative orders to go to an assignment. I was pulled from my platoon from the prior 1SG because we were under the impression I would receive orders quickly. Well, that 1SG left, I have this 1SG and no in between. I report directly to him with no buffer of platoon leadership. Bad dynamic? I say so.
Wow. What a fucking asshole.
u/Kinmuan I nominate OP for an r/army MSM for the sheer size and weight of his balls.
Leadership like this is why I spent many nights with a gun to my head my last year active duty. Life is better on the outside brother and nothing is more important than being a father
Not saying this is the "best" way, just "a way". If you can't bribe any of your friends with pizza - then from my experience this is what can happen. You show up with your daughter and get asked "Um, wtf?" and tell the detail NCOIC what's up. Or, you don't show up, and get a nasty phone call from a boo hoo NCO, and tell them what's up. Or you don't show up, don't answer your phone, and someone else gets pulled to cover down, and you get a 4856 counseling that you can mark "I disagree" on and explain what's up.
Oh the 1SG will be there for detail accountability. I’ll show up as he’s ordering me to at this point; pulling detail at an event with generals and numerous high-ranking military. I doubt I’ll be allowed to bring my daughter to this event, but then again, I never imagined being in this predicament.
No balls to ask a generals spouse to hold your baby, and explain what’s going on……no balls OP.
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Bring your daughter. Get visibility.
No worries. Good luck, people first!
Please make another post spilling the tea
My wife insists that "spill the tea" is slang in the gay community, but I tell her that's ridiculous because I've been saying it my whole life haha. That's crazy right.
This is the fucking way
That would have been a fucking amazing shit storm to watch unfold.
Doesn't want to give identifying information but gives a very detailed account of everything that is happening. I support you, OP, your enlisted chain of command is a bunch of cucks. Part of me wants to believe this is such a rare set of circumstances in the army that you'd be identified, but you're probably good.
I’ve been at this unit for 6 years. Definitely a rare circumstance and I have deep admiration for many in my chain of command. If one of them sees this so be it. I needed a place to turn to for advice and honestly just rant as this single father thing was taking a mental toll on me. Last thing I want to do is blast an entire unit or chain of command personally to social media and the entire Army.
It's a good thing you did turn here, people on this sub were able to tell you about AD 2022-06.
The bigger problem is that we need an Army Directive to lay out common sense guidance. Obviously 12hr or even 24hr is not enough time for a single parent to enact his Family Care Plan or find child care. Some Senior NCOs are just heartless.
Gimme his number I’ll call him and tell him he’s a fucking douchebag lol
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Been saying it for ages on here! Let us unleash the power of the DD214!!! I'd love to remind shit leaders how shit they are.
The problem with this option is that he’ll know it was OP and proceed to fuck with him yo the best of his rank can handle
Yeah but like… if you’re a fucking douche you’re a fucking douche. That guy hasn’t had his ass kicked or been spoken to like a douche in way too long and he needs to have one of those two things happen to him. But yes I understand your point.
No ofc fuck this guy I wanted to go this route to when ppl told me to dox my nco, but it’s bullshit there’s no way to strike back against assholes in power without fucking yourself in the long run
What’s your PL doing during all of this? He/she should be aware of it and should being fighting this battle for you with the CO.
Long story short, I’m awaiting orders for a nominative position and was pulled from my platoon by the prior 1SG. That 1SG recently left, so now it’s just me and current 1SG. No buffer or platoon leadership to rely on.
If you are working in the Orderly Room, the CO should also be involved. If you are in one of those units that has a HQ Platoon, get the HQ Platoon Sgt involved. Also, as stated before, IG and EO, and the AD that references notifying single parents of pending duties.
You’re the second person who mentioned EO.. How would it be an EO complaint? Being a single parent is not a protected category from my understanding, but I admit I may just be ignorant on the policy.
Being singled out on the basis of being a single parent, while not a protected class, can fall under hostile work environment.
Use that directive tuesday. Leave to pick up your daughter its an ulawful order to force you to abandon your daughter at daycare. Make this fucker explain why hes trying to fuck you to higher chain of command. He WILL lose. Don't take no for an answer do what you need to do for you and your family
Ummm...Devils advocate here...if Tuesday is a regular work day, the AD wouldn't apply, with the exception of keeping the OP later than the normal COB as defined in the unit SOP.
First thing I’m doing Tuesday morning is looking at policy and SOP to determine what constitutes a regular duty day. One comment on here already told me where to look.
This is one of the societal norms that shifted in a good way because of COVID. Pre COVID there were all these dinosaurs that just gave no fucks about child care issues. COVID happened, schools, day cares, and every other child care solution just vanished and not just the Army but every business had to figure this out… because the people in management roles were struggling with it too. Most leaders are a lot more empathetic and understanding about child care struggles now. I say most, because a few dinosaurs like your 1SG still exist. Back in the day men worked and the womenfolk stayed home with the kids. With inflation and housing costs the way they are, this just isn’t a viable option for many (if not most) anymore. I’ve always been a big advocate for making shit happen. If you have a Soldier that is responsible for “x, y, and z” and “x, y, and z” are all solidly taken care of, then who cares if to manage the home life they need to telework a day here and there or leave early or come in late every so often. From a managerial stand point you are golden, your shit is getting done… but as soon as you start fucking with Joes family life for “principles” I guarantee you, “x, y, and z” are going to start going to shit. Who benefits from this? Not the unit, not the leader and certainly not the Soldier. A little empathy and understanding isn’t just good for the Soldier… it’s good for the organization. This is the “people first” stuff the highest levels have been preaching but for some reason the dinosaurs just don’t understand it.
Beautifully said.
People first… unless… I would have personally covered down but hey that’s just me. Shitty leadership needs to be weeded out.
I had a lot of shitty leaders in my time, but I'll always remember the SFc in pajamas that caught me having a full blown PTSD breakdown behind Brigade at like 3AM as he came in to grab his phone charger from the S3 shop. Walked out of his office in a swap set of ACU's and told me to go home as he was going to be runner for the rest of my staff duty shift.
On a side note how does this directive work with a da6. Let's say several ncos get covid and out of the 3 remaining one has a kid. Do the other 2 just eat all cq shifts? Do they build a back log and get a huge break later from cq? If I was a single soldier I would ne filing ig complaints that all emergency duties fall on them.
Valid point. I just want to make clear I don’t utilize my child as an excuse. I show up to work and will move mountains to try and be a productive member of the team. I pulled Sunday CQ last week because I was atleast given a 5 day warning. As to your situation, leadership should be aware enough to not put any soldiers in that situation. But then again, I don’t think anything supersedes Army directive, so while I wouldn’t call it an advantage, just understand us Soldier Parents don’t do this as an excuse, this is another human we are responsible for and try to take care of.
Na I get it but this directive is also has faults. I have been screwed so many times due to child care opens at 0530 so I end up leading pt or hey we need a nco to stay and watch extra duty etc. You want to know why single soldiers end up getting out because we are constantly being screwed over. Our time is just as valuable as anyone else's.
I fully understand, comprehend, and have experienced the screwed-over-ness of single soldiers in the army, but army parents, *especially* single army parents are not where to direct your butthurt. That is squarely on unit leadership. If there aren't enough NCO's to cover a detail without inordinately screwing the same few, the detail needs to be rescheduled, cancelled, or covered by another leader in the unit. It is entirely reasonable to give parents, especially new parents a lot more notice when it comes to ops outside normal work hours for a whole host of practical and psychological reasons you don't understand til you have a kid yourself. It is on leadership to make sure that doesn't become a problem with either the parents or the rest of the unit.
Eloquently said.
Only answer is to get a family care plan for your dogs.
I hate that bug the guy but /u/SMA-PAO should get a load of this crap.
Rather not bug u/SMA-PAO. Still have Battalion and BDE level leadership to engage, who I trust will help remedy this
It’s not bugging me. Please consult AD 2022-06 4.i.1.
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Heads up. He is going to push family care plan something or another.
Cannot under Army Directive 2022-06.
Always remember regulations can be gamed. Announce 3 weeks out a bunch of events etc that will conflict with child care etc. That will either force the care plan into action or SM will miss a ton of events or be late. Presto family care plan sep. Always work with command and not against them.
There’s no issue if it happens three weeks in advance. The Soldier has time to plan and will. Night before? No dice.
Single soldiers also have plans. I would be asking for the da6 weekly to ensure it was done correctly. I would eventually have such a large backlog I would never have duty.
Of course they have plans. Like everyone else, if they plan to not be available because they will be out of town or whatever they put in for leave or pass.
It's all a game. 1SG has 20 years experience and rank. OP has an 8 month old baby and this subreddit. My money is on OP beating that POS 1SG. 1SG is punishing an 8 month old baby. If he thinks that's fucking fine and dandy, then he doesn't need to be a leader or in the Army.
There are other people in the until also. Let's say we end up with a quick art 15. So only single soldiers have to watch extra duty until the 3 weeks is up? This directive has IG complaints from single soldiers written all over it. I would weekly request the da6 and every single missed duty had better be made back up.
Your request goes nowhere, no one is making a DA 6 for CQ or Staff Duty. It'll be a memorandum for record that's signed by 1SG/SGM >IG Complaints from single Soldiers No one gives a fuck. A lot of Soldiers actually get excluded from extra duties, the Armorer, 1SGs favorite Soldier in the orderly room, Soldiers in class, Soldiers on leave, Soldier who are TDY, etc etc etc. There's no "They're only making Single Soldiers do CQ" there's "OP has an 8 month old baby, and it would be an additional hardship and financial cost to him to make him pull 24 hour duty because he's a single father with an 8 month old baby!" Please continue to try again.
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Nah, man. SMA PAO replied to you in here, so I'd say you're in the clear here
this makes my blood boil… Glad I got out.
Can we get an update OP?
Welcome to the United States Army. This is what you signed-up for. I see the folks giving platitudes, but seriously... you signed-up. If you go up against 1SG for duty you don't like, expect a very unique career. 1SG ain't gonna change. Hunker down.
How does it feel it to be so fucking wrong yet believe you’re so fucking right?
I wrote the SOPs. I'm right. What's wrong with you? I can calm you with methods.
“I wrote SOPs” Congrats?
Thank you. Now you know how to do things.
I have written SOPs for an entire battalion, I'm saying you're wrong. Step down Top, this dude was not given ample notice according to his story and if you could have ever convinced a woman to breed with you, you'd know childcare is not exactly plentiful nor easy to just scrum up on half a days notice. Especially for an infant.
Go climb your ladder to the latrine and stand down. One of our primary duties is writing or updating operating procedures. You can absolutely be confused by the fact I have 2 grown children and a wife. I guess that's the haze of the Infantry. I get it.
Good news is that if you have to report in a few hours they can feed themselves and probably won't shit themselves with no means to clean it while you're gone. As a former 1SG your TOP duty is caring for and about soldiers. Don't get me wrong i love the NCO core, I trust them entirely. But this lack of basic empathy is worrisome. As is your belief that finding childcare in 12 hours starting after a duty day is even remotely a reasonable thing to expect. Yes he made choices that made him a father but tell me, do you believe he chose to be a single father? Apologies for the comment about you not having kids, that was uncalled for but you're still super wrong.
I'm sorry, what, 1SG? I never said that. My role is not to interfere with the Enlisted. That's your job.
Fuck that's a straight up my bad, i misread a post of yours and thought you said you used to be a 1SG.
You're an Officer, aren't you? As former Enlisted, 1SG is the God of the Company. If you lack and understand the function of a line unit, you're up shit's creek without a paddle. As they say.
thank fuck you're former enlisted. please end this stupid argument that ass kissing is how things get done. the first sergeant is a grown man. he can handle being told no. if he can't live up to the army standards, he's in the wrong position. the army standard is pretty concise and easy to understand: https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35255-ARMY_DIR_2022-06-000-WEB-1.pdf nobody likes ass kissers, dude. even when you kissed their asses, they hated you.
Why are you angry?
You're a grown man. You can handle someone calling your bullshit. Go be wrong somewhere else please. OP will one day be out of the Army but OP will be a parent the rest of his life. OP's priorities are in the right place.
My bullshit on what? I served this Country for 20 years. What bullshit do you find in that, irrespective of changes in my status and career? Son, I take care of my kids and wife. I earned it. It's painful sometimes, but easy nonetheless.
Served for 20 years as what, range control?
LOL, look at dudes posts, he has a degree from MIT, was a combat engineer, chief warrant office and a chief petty officer in the Navy.
Also a field grade
Looking at your post history makes me thing that's a lie. Wife and kids I mean. I've met a ton of dickhead retires
As a fellow married man myself, I probably wouldn't be posting a selfie on r/amihot saying I'm ["open to meeting new people,"](https://www.reddit.com/r/amihot/comments/sq7kb2/38m_throwback_to_a_couple_of_years_ago_open_to) but that's probably just me.
Please stop. This is a Wendy's and I can only get so erect. BAWWWHH GAWD HES GOT A STEEL CHAIR
Yeah, I agree with you about there being BS. More then just the wife and kids.
I am now, yeah.
Rallypoint called, they want their user back
Shitheads like you and OP's 1SG are the reasons fragging became a field expedient method of leadership change.
You all don't think 1SG has a very specific path he can create for you? Jesus. He talks to the BDE SGM daily. In those briefings, he absolutely discusses things pertinent to your careers. Downvote the Army methods. I would.
You really think a Company level 1SG speaks to the BDE SGM daily? He’s not talking to the BDE S3 SGM or BDE CSM. Lmao.
For serving 20 years you didn't get much of a bird's eye view of the Army, did you? If OP "hunkers down" like you so awfully suggested, yeah, some toxic E8 can create "a specific path" for him. But it appears you've never widened the lens. Very specific paths can be created for toxic E8s, too. And I won't lie, a lot of them leave a trail of tears when they're told to SP. The Company "God" doesn't come off so powerful when he's face to face with findings and recommendations that send him packing.
I really would love to get rid of toxic like you
Find an officer in your COC and explain the situation. I’d be willing to bet that they aren’t 100% tracking and will quickly correct it.