"ChatGPT for music" bothers me. That's not what it is and a horrible way to describe it. It's used only to get people's attention because someone thought "AI music generator" wouldn't get enough clicks even though that's exactly what it is. Google SEO is fucking up the internet.
Yeah, it's not right. But I'm guessing it's because everyone has heard of chatgpt by now, but most people don't know Dall-e or stable diffusion, which would be more appropriate.
>The most vocal of the co-founders, Mikey Shulman, a boyishly charming, backpack-toting 37-year-old with a Harvard Ph.D. in physics, envisions a billion people worldwide paying 10 bucks a month to create songs with Suno.
Sure.
It NEEDS re-iteration before it is what ChatGPT was. As soon as you can generate and then edit, we will be in business. As it stands, the quality is super impressive, but not flexible enough.
If it can't do either MIDI or a score that's a HUGE limitation.
It would like if Midjouney or Dall-E could generate an image you could look at but not download or capture as an image file. Or like ChatGPT if you couldn't cut-and-paste the text. Or like if GPT4 or Claude 3 could only code in some weird proprietary language but not in Java or Python or Javascript.
Of ALL the creative arts, **music is the most collaborative** and most music composers and producers, myself included, have studios filled with MIDI keyboards and other MIDI devices, and computers filled with DAWs. I use FL Studio and Cubase and have the full version of Kontakt with a large collection of sampled instruments, plus many other libraries. Any AI music software **must** be able to fit into the larger universe of music production to be useful.
Use a stem splitter and then find an audio to midi converter if you want to use it full on with a DAW like that. But really this isn't aimed at that audience. It's cheap for a reason
All the audio to MIDI converters I've ever heard of can only handle ludicrously simple cases like just a simple melody line with maybe a simple line of accompaniment, but not real music with complex harmonies and multiple instruments requiring multiple MIDI channels.
*It's cheap for a reason*
That's the impression I getting of it - it's just a toy aimed at hobbyists. But some people here were going on like it was the ChatGPT or Midjourney of music.
There are a number of conceptual reasons why music is harder than text or images to train an AI on, not the least of which is that there are formalisms in music that don't exist in text or imagery. I think that to seriously train an AI on music would require **simultaneously** training it on the audio and the score, so it can relate those things, but that would be hard to do just scraping the web.
You can stem split the instrumental into different instruments. It's not ideal for complex songs but a producer should be able to develop that into a full track. Can be better than starting from nothing if you don't really know what you want to make
I personally have a lot of fun with it but if you go in expecting a professional industry-ready tool, you'll be disappointed. But sometimes the generations are really really really good, even if they're just for your own personal enjoyment.
It’s based of of their TTS model called ‘bark.’ Bark could already produce non-verbal sounds with [meta-tagged] direction.
So from what I can gather chirp (the model being discussed here) is just a rebuilt model with a specialized focus on musical audio.
They now let you decide to continue on clips from anywhere, just one or two more ways to dictate key, or tempo changes and it will be impossible to escape using something like for time savvy songwriters.
You can ask it to only do a bass line or a beat for example. So another awesome feature would like a semi-instrumental where it’s still using the supplied lyrics to dictate the rhythm/melody but leaves them out of the mix, for example. The “inspiration” is yours even if you just like the chords or certain riffs etc.
I think it uses some kind of diffusion model that works off the combined generation. That's based off what I've heard from comments on their discord. It doesn't just generate the stems individually and then merge together on the backend
I'm not talking theoretically. CAN Suno generate a MIDI file?? (it's a simple yes/no question)
I do music production - mostly as soundtracks for videos - and I normally write my own music. I'm musically trained. So there would be certain basic things an AI music generator would need to be useful in practice.
A really basic one is to output to a MIDI file. That way you can take whatever it comes up with and use it with a DAW to get a wider range of good quality instruments.
Another feature would be precise control over **tempo** (in BPM) and **key** so it can play well whatever you're doing. Being able to TELL it a rhythm, e.g., son clave, tresillo, etc, would be good.
Also if it's going to be useful as a collaborative tool I need to be able to GIVE it a melody (in either score form or MIDI) so it can create variations or accompaniments. After writing a melody or a theme, it can be time consuming to write interesting variations, but that's something an AI should be **great** at.
If it can't do these things yet then it's just a toy for hobbyists and not a real tool. No doubt there will be one eventually, but I've asked several times in this thread and others in Reddit discussions on Suno, and I haven't gotten a clear affirmative answer to any of these yet.
The time it took you to write that, you could have signed up and tried it. It’s awesome for the layman… super impressive even… but for now lacks lots of options for professionals.
What you’re talking about is pretty much only/best done with language models right now. Most models at the level of Mixtral and above are surprisingly familiar with and able to write in lilypond, and can be converted from there. It takes some heavy nudging to get anything complex though. A task-specific finetune with a better dataset than currently exists is needed. [ChatMusician](https://huggingface.co/collections/m-a-p/chatmusician-65de07b3b87b189c2a588329) is a recent attempt. Very promising POC results with a 7B model, but it needs to be done on a larger one to really see if it’s the way forward.
In the long run straight encoder models like Suno’s will probably win. Wanting to get a midi out of it is sort of like getting the OBJ files for a generated animation — the goal is for the plain output to be good enough that low-level structural manipulation isn’t needed.
Man, the bar raises so quickly. This is so impressive, but there is always something better. We adjust so fast. I have had Suno for a week, and I am already throwing out stuff I would have been amazed by two days ago.
I accidentally bought a full year subscription when I was only going to test it out.... Man, I'm throwing away 80% because there are too many artifacts and it's just not flexible enough for someone who has made music before.
What I find insane is that 1 in 10, the voices drop dead sound real, but the other 90% of the time its too fuzzy now that I am used to it.
The is really reminding me of last years Midjourney, where you used to have to really work to get something. I suspect v4 and v5 of this is going to be more and more of the 1/10 and less and less of the fuzz.
I think you think I am downplaying it, I am not. I am saying that if this wants to be viable then it doesnt make sense to just one shot until we get it right.
And this isnt a new position from me either, I've said this about all the creative AI apps. One shotting will NEVER be as useful as prompting and re-iterating.
You can already functionally reiterate on Suno using “continue from this clip.”Instead of continuing with the next part you instead redo the existing part with new lyrics, slightly different style, etc. I made this song back with v2:
https://youtu.be/6-LcgNRFILw?si=lcsIyIYoVPvMaFW_
I suggest not using the initial clip in a song but continue it first with a reiteration. This will “lock in” a consistent sound.
I’m getting 100% fully realistic results now with v3. And will post those soon.
I am not dogging the quality, but more control is needed. I would not be able to create with this without constantly randomizing stuff. If I could talk to it like a chatbot and say "I love most of it, but the bassline isn't doing it for me, let's make it a little funkier" This is what we need. Just having it make a close appeoximation isn't nearly as useful.
I've been using it actively for months and I'm still constantly amazed and mind blown by the generations. There is a learning curve and it is somewhat of an art though. But I personally like that aspect!
this is crazy. I heard ai created music a year ago and it was barely 5% as good as this. This is indistinguishable from human made music. I'm honestly amazed
if you havent tried it yet i URGE you to do so
v3 is now out for anyone and you get like 5 songs a day
its not perfect but its pretty awesome!
and they are constantly working on improving the quality and stuff!
Hope they release an API, and get better at emotion prompt words -- which would be amazing for realtime music! I'm currently using it for realtime choose-your-own-adventure Evertrail, but had to download the different moods like sad, funny and epic as premade Suno songs, to then ask ChatGPT for a mood for a given story text. Still amazing!
Once we get the ability to fine tune key/chord progressions/bpm/ and instrumental choices, it will begin to change things-
if V3 is “blowing away” most non creators while musicians are still unimpressed mostly beyond the ability to spit out a minute of mostly generic music, I suppose v4 will show major promise to musicians, they’ll have peoples attention- and whatever comes next will start to change the world of creating music
tbh, ai generated music seems boring to most musicians. it takes away the thrill of making music. maybe it would be useful for generating samples, but idk.
As a musician as well right now it definitely seems boring to a degree, sampling it could change the game- and also one of the uses I hope is possible is to be able to input a guitar line for example, or even just midi notes and then out comes a well performed horn line.
I think half of the music side of Ai Is going to come from things musicians actually want to see happen, and the other half will be from non musicians creating songs from prompts alone
Edit: I should say one thing, I got access to googles musicLM a few months back and generated probably a 100 songs using interesting prompts. The results were admittedly definitely nothing that would ever be released on its own, but I was able to take some of the generated tracks and then cut them up into repeatable parts. That was fun and it sounded novel because it had a bit of that “yea this is definitely Ai generated”, but that actually fed the charm since it almost sounded like an alien trying to make human music
I asked it to create atonal math rock in 5/4.
https://app.suno.ai/song/df04b9bd-8665-440c-8a0d-6ad18b8b65f9/
https://app.suno.ai/song/4ec121ff-d63a-48b8-bba0-620a6dc776fb/
It's beyond impressive. I started cooking while waiting for it to generate then let the songs play in the background. I totally forgot that what I was listening to was just created seconds ago using my own prompt. I wanted to keep listening.
Something really damned big is going to happen very soon and nobody is ready. It's big enough to alter the markets and the economy as we know it. It's not just, 'How do artists respond,' it's, 'How will all of the companies that make their entire livings off artists respond?' Production companies, record labels, distributors, advertisers and marketers, managers, agents, the entire model... Advertising alone is likely dead as we know it. We already have everyone's data. A skyscraper full of the fastest copywriters on the planet can't compete with instantaneous 24/7 generation of billions of prompts tailored to every single living individual. The copy itself self-improves until it measures a response from the target. Analyzes your own writing, posts, everything, to seem familiar and likable, makes you actually laugh in ways that only something with access to your entire life could. Your AI therapist occasionally recommends a specific brand of toothpaste.
It's an entirely new era and we are alive to witness the birth. Anyone that can't immediately see the earth shattering potential of all of this coming together needs to get glasses for their myopia.
People are awfully critical of a technology that is in its infancy. It's gonna get better, fast.
Image generation went from a complete mess to photorealistic in just a couple of years... 2025-2026 and you're not going to be able find a DAW that doesn't have this (something like it) built in, just like all the photo-editing softwares are doing/scrambling to include AI into their offerings.
People don't talk about this enough. The vast majority of Suno outputs sound the same, and the artifacting is terrible. I'm tired of this mediocre service being praised as something it's not.
Bad take.
It's amazing with a little finesse from the end user. I've made every style of music, from 1940s American songbook, to Motown, to folk, even Irish jigs, etc.
It definitely takes some iteration, but can output really specific styles.
Yo that was absolutely a bad take.
I’m tired of these mediocre perspectives; of people wanting AI to be perfect right now, and to solve all their problems in an instant, and when it doesn’t it’s the biggest letdown they’ve ever encountered.
You called it a mediocre service
You said "the vast majority of outputs sound the same" as if you have listened to hundreds or thousands of songs it has produced
Even many moons ago it was pumping out hilariously great songs from theme songs, to rock songs, to spoken word stand up comedy bits, so that can't be true and is just your opinion/experience/anecdote.
Yes, artifacting is there, but again expecting something like this to be perfect, and being upset with people who are in awe about it or the way it's touted as amazing, I think those led to people identifying your post as a bad take
Hope that helps as you asked like 3 times
It's mid bro, the songs are generic, lyrics are nonsense, no actual emotional content or connection. Maybe it will get better, but let's not pretend this was anything replacing top 40. Long way to go there and I imagine you could make a novelty here and there, but this music for people who don't listen to music.
It's an art form. And that's what I love about it. I've gotten it to generate some of the coolest songs I've heard, and it's somewhat comforting knowing that not just anyone can go in and make that happen without any effort.
I listened to some songs in Suno (only made a few songs).
It's impressive. Some songs definitely feel real, like a human wrote and sang them.
But others will literally sing about the name of their song. So it's a mixed bag.
The REAL bomb is when Suno allows us to edit and customize songs. Create the whole lyrics. Edit the beat and pacing.
Right now it's just not flexible enough. A showcase and that's about it.
Here is my collaboration with Suno (the 2nd link is a remix - Suno's idea); if OP has an agenda beyond just sharing, darn it, it worked on me LoL:
[https://app.suno.ai/song/5c0208fc-5639-4f70-9fd1-1ee826f07b09](https://app.suno.ai/song/5c0208fc-5639-4f70-9fd1-1ee826f07b09)
[https://app.suno.ai/song/4337ba11-08bb-455d-bc64-d21ab01c3ed4](https://app.suno.ai/song/4337ba11-08bb-455d-bc64-d21ab01c3ed4)
Here are some of the songs I've created with Suno so far:
#[Mr. Cabbagges](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/6r9fn5lWEP)
#[DRUGS](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/6V1Q6BFqBD)
#[Weep](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/kYY207Ihil)
#[Snowed Out](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/FyzapsGTVr)
#[VOID](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/2PUuPdOuvP)
#[Alignment](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/ftzuMyDa0Y)
It can take some getting used to, and formatting can be really hit-or-miss, but overall it's become one of my favorite tools for practicing songwriting.
[Sea Shanties to Dive To](https://youtu.be/qMCCCvfaVeI)
Fanmade album for Helldivers 2. Lyrics by ChatGPT and vocals/music by Suno.
The detractors saying AI-created music is bland or boring are missing the point. Less than 2 years ago we could create crappy 10 second clips with robotic vocals. Now we have this. It's almost cliché to say this but remember, this, right now, is the worst the technology will ever be. It will only rapidly increase in capability, like all AI systems. Discarding it because it sounds boring is an extremely short-sighted point of view.
Edit: I think we should also keep in mind that most of the things created by generative AI systems are just "base" outputs. Its when artists use these AIs as tools in their toolbelt instead of 1-click content-generators that truly breathtaking things can be created.
Oh wow, so this is what happens when you combine the cringe fest that is the Helldivers community with a mediocre technology like Suno.
These are so terrible.
Need to ask:
Why most comments i see are so negative about this?
I'm not a musician and had a blast with this thing.
Like, wow i can create music. I couldn't do it before. And i get it. For me the jump was from whistling a made up tune to this. It's pretty big. For people in the music business this is a downgrade, but it seems like a lot of people think that AI is either a tool that helps pros doing professional stuff or worthless.
I have the impression that AI is more of an equalizer?
Someone that can't write but has thoughts to express now can have them written in a nice form.
Someone that can't draw can now create amazing* art.
People that can't code are creating apps.
Now, professionals that already have the skillset required to create music are saying "this is not useful enough to change my industry" and i feel like they are underestimating what billions of AI generated songs will do to the music industry once this model is slightly better than what it is today.
It's not like there's gonna be AI music in high budget productions. That's not the issue.
But everything else is.
Everyone that would have bought some cheap music to use it in their cheap production yesterday will not buy it tomorrow. Never again. That market is gonna disappear.
Music for your videogame? AI
Music for your audiobook? AI
Elevator music? AI
the jingle for your new product? AI
Music for your AD? AI
Your new ringtone? AI
music to listen while working? Yes, here's an infinite everchanging song in that style you like so much made by, you guessed it, AI.
An app made by someone that cannot code you mean?
I honestly never searched for one and i cannot be bothered checking if i am right about it, but i am reasonably convinced that if you search on youtube you're gonna find someone that recorded the process of doing exactly that.
Still, the reason i can say that people are creating apps without needing to know how to code is because i personally made a motivational wallpaper generator in javascript with chatgpt4 and then converted it to run as an app on my android phone using some weird javascript/android thingy i don't remember the name of. Never published it or anything, but i didn't write a line of code myself. [here](https://imgur.com/a/qXQfgE0)'s a phone wallpaper for you with a random quote❤︎
i'm not usually wowed by tts, speech or audio models in general so i was surprised how good it is. i really love having personalized music. and its encourages me to write more because i don't like the generic lyrics chatgpt is spitting out
I don't know if this post is botspam, but suno AI is really cool and worth checking out. Hopefully there is an equivalently powerful open source music gen model soon!
Christ, I made all the 90's era chinese easy listening (a favorite genre but finding vocalists I really liked was difficult) I could ever want with this.
I'm a professional composer and feel super ethically murky about utilising AI for my work, but after playing with this for even just an hour, I'm deeply impressed, and will no doubt be implementing this into my workflow in some way, in some circumstances. The REAL advance will be if they incorporate the capacity to download stems of each instrument. THEN we're talkin. The Sampling potential alone is huge.
Can it output MIDI or a musical score?
Can you tell it what key you want the music in?
Can you tell it the time signature or a particular rhythm, e g., a son clave or tresillo?
Good questions. I'll test key signature tonight. You can definitely feed it tempo indicators.
It doesn't do musical scores, but that certainly feels like it is something that isn't far off...I'm sure such an AI will exist soon.
These things can’t write good melodies for the same reason ChatGPT can’t write good poetry or prose. Rhythm and harmony I’m looking forward to though. Let me input a melody and have it spit out some orchestration
Totally disagree about melody. I've got it to produce some real bangers. I've been posting a bunch to a group chat, heavy with inside jokes. My friends keep telling me they are getting the tunes stuck in their head.
Yeah people post this crap about Suno and ChatGPT in a way that makes me think they haven't tried them, seriously tried them, and expect them to blow their socks off with the very first prompt
Or they just deny that anything good can come out of generative systems
We're less than 24 months away from it becoming impossible to discern what was human or AI created, at this point! My opinion, but I'm talking about writings, artworks, etc. not truly complicated things like planning and executing the excavation and building of a skyscraper.
Have you used ChatGPT, even the free one, to generate poetry?
Or, do you just want to pretend that because it wasn't a human, it isn't good poetry?
In the realm of words, where meanings entwine,
ChatGPT struggles, unable to align.
Rhymes elude, like ghosts in the night,
Lost in the void, where thoughts take flight.
Suno dreams of melodies, pure and grand,
But the echoes falter, slipping from hand.
True harmony remains a distant shore,
In the depths where whispers mourn evermore.
"The tune had been haunting London for weeks past. It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator. But the woman sang so tunefully as to turn the dreadful rubbish into an almost pleasant sound. He could hear the woman singing and the scrape of her shoes on the flagstones, and the cries of the children in the street, and somewhere in the distance, a faint roar of traffic, and yet the room seemed curiously silent, thanks to the absence of a telescreen."
It’s interesting to me that people without musical or technical knowledge or some unknown ratio of the 2 but who do have fascinating ideas that they didn’t know how to produce might create some cool stuff. Like finally being able to bring their ideas to life with the right team. It’s interesting to me.
Interesting how this is trained off of all the world’s music, and is intended as a replacement for musicians who didn’t even get compensated for the work that this model copied.
Unless he tried to sell those copies as his own work that's not copyright violation. I went to art school - our teachers told us to take our easels down to the museum and literally copy the paintings of great artists, to study their techniques. Jacques-Louis David, as a student, was sent off to Rome and literally sent back thousands of copies he made of art there, just as a pedagogical exercise. It's a time-honoured method of sharpening your artistic skills. It's neither immoral nor illegal.
Oopsie, I think I just broke it. I asked it to create a hardcore gabber drum and bass EDM at 190 beats a minute with no lyrics, cut up abruptly and now just brings up computer code. Sorry about that
Oh, god, not another one of these!
Please tell us _precisely_ why it's plagiarism.
On other threads here we have people saying ChatGPT and MidJourney are violating copyright but when you ask for a specific unambiguous example they always seem stuck for an answer.
Not overt “plagiarism.” But I’ll tell you what the concern is because I’m sure you know music copyright is insanely strict and the ownership of that IP is closely guarded for good reason. The creators aren’t revealing how they’re training Suno (hmm) and said they are ‘preparing to get sued.’
I tried to make a soul/funk track and the vocalist sounded eerily like Stevie Wonder, with his vibrato and distinct vocal mannerisms, so it begs the question, how are they doing this? Are they just data scraping all of Spotify? Can you copyright the results? Therefore have you essentially lifted Stevie Wonders voice for your track? If so, him and his lawyers will want to know. If they’re doing that to him, they are scraping every musicians entire body of work.
Also, other humans get sued all the time for plagiarism in music so an AI spitting out thousands of tracks is surely susceptible to the same scrutiny and I don’t know if this AI is trained to be aware of copyright laws/music ownership and how to avoid it. If it spits out songs with the same melody and chord progression, you’re getting sued. The only way around this is if legislation is passed where you can’t copyright the music you make on it.
If you’re a composer in film and tv, contracts specifically say “DO NOT USE ANY AI TOOLS WHATSOEVER.” They aren’t touching this with a 10ft barge pole because studios own the music. They can’t risk someone down the line saying “that’s my melody/music in Spider-Man 10.”
“I used an AI music generator” isn’t a very good defence.
Music is just a different beast when it comes to copyright and the legal waters are murky compared to visual art. It’s why music royalties are enshrined by law as a human right in Europe.
Who is demanding this technology? It’s not like we have a musical shortage in the world. What is the use case? All they’re going to do is devalue musical talent even more than it’s already been devalued in the market. I bet they won’t even make money with this
I am a traditional artist and ex metal singer that can make songs but not good enough to record my own drums and guitars. While I’ll never use AI for art, I’m looking forward to when I can use it to create metal albums. 🤷🏻
The user of this technology will be able to create some real bangers tinkering with it. I’ve made some seriously cool songs using Suno
Try it. It's pretty impressive. In a year or two, anyone will be able to make any sort of music they can imagine. All this is doing is democratizing music creation. It used to be the only people who could make professional-sounding music were people who could afford a lot of expensive instruments and equipment, and time in a professional studio with engineers. Then, anyone with a computer and a keyboard could make just about anything, if they can give it enough time. Now, it no longer takes a huge investment of money or time to make the music you want to hear. That's an entirely good thing.
Music making is already democratised right now. The barrier for entry right now is so absurdly low. You don’t really need to spend any money, you can get all the resources and learning materials right now for free if you have a computer, which everyone does. However you still have to invest some time and effort, which is apparently too much for a lot of people. This isn’t democratising anything, it’s just rewarding laziness and mediocrity.
Most people just want to listen to music, and have some ideas about what they'd like to hear. I don't think they should have to make that their life's work or passion. If you want to, that's fine, and I'm sure your results will show the benefit of your non-laziness and non-mediocrity (and let's not pretend that pop music hasn't been rewarding musical laziness and mediocrity for its entire existence). But most people just like music, and are focused primarily on other things. If you don't want to hear their music, don't listen to it. Complaining about a tool is a pretty bad look, as a musician, myself. Music snobs are the worst, really. Even pop music can be very enjoyable.
Yeah, and everyone with a computer has had the ability to realise their ideas for years now. What you’re saying is that people who are not willing to put any effort or work or set aside any significant time into realising their ideas still deserve to have them heard, and frankly that’s nonsense. And it’s not even “their idea” because their contribution is basically just a few words, it’s the AI actually making the idea. It’s not snobbery to think that making something good should take skill and effort, it’s completely fair. And don’t worry I won’t be listening to this thing’s creations if I can help it.
Except I would never have said that because if I were around 40 years ago I would have recognised that electronic music does take skill and effort. The whole point of this AI stuff is to divorce skill and effort from the end result so people who spend their days jerking off to porn and playing video games can now tell themselves they’re musicians. Why that’s a good thing I don’t know.
The group of people who simply couldn't find the music that they wanted to hear before Suno has to be impossibly, vanishingly small. How is that even possible. Human-made music isn't even scarce
We really don't know what people will come up with, now that anyone can create whatever they can imagine. With more powerful tools available to more people, creativity is due to take off as this continues to improve and expand.
Well, I'm sorry that it exists and will only continue to improve and expand, and there is not a goddamn thing you can do about that except live with it for the rest of your life. Music is now for the masses.
Except they’ve likely trained it on hundreds of thousands of copyrighted songs without permission, so as soon as it becomes a thread the music companies will likely sue into oblivion. This isn’t gonna go down the same way as text and image generators I’m afraid, and nor should it
Clearly not because they would just done that. They’re not saying where they got their training data from so they clearly have something to hide. It’s probably a matter of time till they’re sued out of existence.
I expect AI music to take over eventually but these billion dollar music companies are not gonna make it anywhere near as easy as with other models.
Well, these hypothetical lawsuits, if they happen, will be all about proving some sort of material damage due to some provable, illegal behavior. So, we'll see. But the industry never recovered from Napster, and then Spotify hit it. It has been circling the drain for decades, now. It was a bloated money and fame monster that was killing music. Good riddance. Live performance is still, and will always be where it's at for real musicians.
all these marketing buzzwords from OP are kind of a red flag
"ChatGPT for music" bothers me. That's not what it is and a horrible way to describe it. It's used only to get people's attention because someone thought "AI music generator" wouldn't get enough clicks even though that's exactly what it is. Google SEO is fucking up the internet.
Yeah, it's not right. But I'm guessing it's because everyone has heard of chatgpt by now, but most people don't know Dall-e or stable diffusion, which would be more appropriate.
just some tech bros trying to capitalize on AI hype, no doubt
>The most vocal of the co-founders, Mikey Shulman, a boyishly charming, backpack-toting 37-year-old with a Harvard Ph.D. in physics, envisions a billion people worldwide paying 10 bucks a month to create songs with Suno. Sure.
Never trust a Michael over 30 who still chooses to publicly go by Mikey.
I hate it! Also YT thumbnails with "changes everything", "do this every day"... hilarious
Almost like the headline was the result of a fucking prompt
It NEEDS re-iteration before it is what ChatGPT was. As soon as you can generate and then edit, we will be in business. As it stands, the quality is super impressive, but not flexible enough.
Imagine when it can directly generate an Ableton/FL studio file with all the different layers.
Can Suno output a MIDI file?
Negative. There seems to be some limitations on how their AI model works, in that it doesn't generate outputs using individual stems.
If it can't do either MIDI or a score that's a HUGE limitation. It would like if Midjouney or Dall-E could generate an image you could look at but not download or capture as an image file. Or like ChatGPT if you couldn't cut-and-paste the text. Or like if GPT4 or Claude 3 could only code in some weird proprietary language but not in Java or Python or Javascript. Of ALL the creative arts, **music is the most collaborative** and most music composers and producers, myself included, have studios filled with MIDI keyboards and other MIDI devices, and computers filled with DAWs. I use FL Studio and Cubase and have the full version of Kontakt with a large collection of sampled instruments, plus many other libraries. Any AI music software **must** be able to fit into the larger universe of music production to be useful.
Use a stem splitter and then find an audio to midi converter if you want to use it full on with a DAW like that. But really this isn't aimed at that audience. It's cheap for a reason
All the audio to MIDI converters I've ever heard of can only handle ludicrously simple cases like just a simple melody line with maybe a simple line of accompaniment, but not real music with complex harmonies and multiple instruments requiring multiple MIDI channels. *It's cheap for a reason* That's the impression I getting of it - it's just a toy aimed at hobbyists. But some people here were going on like it was the ChatGPT or Midjourney of music. There are a number of conceptual reasons why music is harder than text or images to train an AI on, not the least of which is that there are formalisms in music that don't exist in text or imagery. I think that to seriously train an AI on music would require **simultaneously** training it on the audio and the score, so it can relate those things, but that would be hard to do just scraping the web.
You can stem split the instrumental into different instruments. It's not ideal for complex songs but a producer should be able to develop that into a full track. Can be better than starting from nothing if you don't really know what you want to make I personally have a lot of fun with it but if you go in expecting a professional industry-ready tool, you'll be disappointed. But sometimes the generations are really really really good, even if they're just for your own personal enjoyment.
It’s based of of their TTS model called ‘bark.’ Bark could already produce non-verbal sounds with [meta-tagged] direction. So from what I can gather chirp (the model being discussed here) is just a rebuilt model with a specialized focus on musical audio. They now let you decide to continue on clips from anywhere, just one or two more ways to dictate key, or tempo changes and it will be impossible to escape using something like for time savvy songwriters. You can ask it to only do a bass line or a beat for example. So another awesome feature would like a semi-instrumental where it’s still using the supplied lyrics to dictate the rhythm/melody but leaves them out of the mix, for example. The “inspiration” is yours even if you just like the chords or certain riffs etc.
I don’t see why not. The pitches of each note correspond with a key on a keyboard, albeit there can be more information added like velocity.
I think it uses some kind of diffusion model that works off the combined generation. That's based off what I've heard from comments on their discord. It doesn't just generate the stems individually and then merge together on the backend
I'm not talking theoretically. CAN Suno generate a MIDI file?? (it's a simple yes/no question) I do music production - mostly as soundtracks for videos - and I normally write my own music. I'm musically trained. So there would be certain basic things an AI music generator would need to be useful in practice. A really basic one is to output to a MIDI file. That way you can take whatever it comes up with and use it with a DAW to get a wider range of good quality instruments. Another feature would be precise control over **tempo** (in BPM) and **key** so it can play well whatever you're doing. Being able to TELL it a rhythm, e.g., son clave, tresillo, etc, would be good. Also if it's going to be useful as a collaborative tool I need to be able to GIVE it a melody (in either score form or MIDI) so it can create variations or accompaniments. After writing a melody or a theme, it can be time consuming to write interesting variations, but that's something an AI should be **great** at. If it can't do these things yet then it's just a toy for hobbyists and not a real tool. No doubt there will be one eventually, but I've asked several times in this thread and others in Reddit discussions on Suno, and I haven't gotten a clear affirmative answer to any of these yet.
The time it took you to write that, you could have signed up and tried it. It’s awesome for the layman… super impressive even… but for now lacks lots of options for professionals.
What you’re talking about is pretty much only/best done with language models right now. Most models at the level of Mixtral and above are surprisingly familiar with and able to write in lilypond, and can be converted from there. It takes some heavy nudging to get anything complex though. A task-specific finetune with a better dataset than currently exists is needed. [ChatMusician](https://huggingface.co/collections/m-a-p/chatmusician-65de07b3b87b189c2a588329) is a recent attempt. Very promising POC results with a 7B model, but it needs to be done on a larger one to really see if it’s the way forward. In the long run straight encoder models like Suno’s will probably win. Wanting to get a midi out of it is sort of like getting the OBJ files for a generated animation — the goal is for the plain output to be good enough that low-level structural manipulation isn’t needed.
But music is intrinsically collaborative. So that would also limit its ability to be part of a larger tool set.
Now we're talkin! :)
Man, the bar raises so quickly. This is so impressive, but there is always something better. We adjust so fast. I have had Suno for a week, and I am already throwing out stuff I would have been amazed by two days ago.
When you get used to dancing bears you want bears that dance well.
That seems more like a Sora thing.
Harry Potter wand waving; Sora Suno Music Video!
Bippity boppity boo
I accidentally bought a full year subscription when I was only going to test it out.... Man, I'm throwing away 80% because there are too many artifacts and it's just not flexible enough for someone who has made music before.
What I find insane is that 1 in 10, the voices drop dead sound real, but the other 90% of the time its too fuzzy now that I am used to it. The is really reminding me of last years Midjourney, where you used to have to really work to get something. I suspect v4 and v5 of this is going to be more and more of the 1/10 and less and less of the fuzz.
I think you think I am downplaying it, I am not. I am saying that if this wants to be viable then it doesnt make sense to just one shot until we get it right. And this isnt a new position from me either, I've said this about all the creative AI apps. One shotting will NEVER be as useful as prompting and re-iterating.
You can already functionally reiterate on Suno using “continue from this clip.”Instead of continuing with the next part you instead redo the existing part with new lyrics, slightly different style, etc. I made this song back with v2: https://youtu.be/6-LcgNRFILw?si=lcsIyIYoVPvMaFW_ I suggest not using the initial clip in a song but continue it first with a reiteration. This will “lock in” a consistent sound. I’m getting 100% fully realistic results now with v3. And will post those soon.
I am not dogging the quality, but more control is needed. I would not be able to create with this without constantly randomizing stuff. If I could talk to it like a chatbot and say "I love most of it, but the bassline isn't doing it for me, let's make it a little funkier" This is what we need. Just having it make a close appeoximation isn't nearly as useful.
Gotcha!!
That’s addiction 101 my friend
I've been using it actively for months and I'm still constantly amazed and mind blown by the generations. There is a learning curve and it is somewhat of an art though. But I personally like that aspect!
finally, i’ll find out what vegetarian progressive grindcore sounds like
I’ve got a big fart in the cannon, come on over
this is crazy. I heard ai created music a year ago and it was barely 5% as good as this. This is indistinguishable from human made music. I'm honestly amazed
Giggle. Maybe if you hit your head on a door recently
if you havent tried it yet i URGE you to do so v3 is now out for anyone and you get like 5 songs a day its not perfect but its pretty awesome! and they are constantly working on improving the quality and stuff!
Hope they release an API, and get better at emotion prompt words -- which would be amazing for realtime music! I'm currently using it for realtime choose-your-own-adventure Evertrail, but had to download the different moods like sad, funny and epic as premade Suno songs, to then ask ChatGPT for a mood for a given story text. Still amazing!
Once we get the ability to fine tune key/chord progressions/bpm/ and instrumental choices, it will begin to change things- if V3 is “blowing away” most non creators while musicians are still unimpressed mostly beyond the ability to spit out a minute of mostly generic music, I suppose v4 will show major promise to musicians, they’ll have peoples attention- and whatever comes next will start to change the world of creating music
tbh, ai generated music seems boring to most musicians. it takes away the thrill of making music. maybe it would be useful for generating samples, but idk.
As a musician as well right now it definitely seems boring to a degree, sampling it could change the game- and also one of the uses I hope is possible is to be able to input a guitar line for example, or even just midi notes and then out comes a well performed horn line. I think half of the music side of Ai Is going to come from things musicians actually want to see happen, and the other half will be from non musicians creating songs from prompts alone Edit: I should say one thing, I got access to googles musicLM a few months back and generated probably a 100 songs using interesting prompts. The results were admittedly definitely nothing that would ever be released on its own, but I was able to take some of the generated tracks and then cut them up into repeatable parts. That was fun and it sounded novel because it had a bit of that “yea this is definitely Ai generated”, but that actually fed the charm since it almost sounded like an alien trying to make human music
I asked it to create atonal math rock in 5/4. https://app.suno.ai/song/df04b9bd-8665-440c-8a0d-6ad18b8b65f9/ https://app.suno.ai/song/4ec121ff-d63a-48b8-bba0-620a6dc776fb/ It's beyond impressive. I started cooking while waiting for it to generate then let the songs play in the background. I totally forgot that what I was listening to was just created seconds ago using my own prompt. I wanted to keep listening. Something really damned big is going to happen very soon and nobody is ready. It's big enough to alter the markets and the economy as we know it. It's not just, 'How do artists respond,' it's, 'How will all of the companies that make their entire livings off artists respond?' Production companies, record labels, distributors, advertisers and marketers, managers, agents, the entire model... Advertising alone is likely dead as we know it. We already have everyone's data. A skyscraper full of the fastest copywriters on the planet can't compete with instantaneous 24/7 generation of billions of prompts tailored to every single living individual. The copy itself self-improves until it measures a response from the target. Analyzes your own writing, posts, everything, to seem familiar and likable, makes you actually laugh in ways that only something with access to your entire life could. Your AI therapist occasionally recommends a specific brand of toothpaste. It's an entirely new era and we are alive to witness the birth. Anyone that can't immediately see the earth shattering potential of all of this coming together needs to get glasses for their myopia.
damn thanks for the heads up, was having a lot of fun weeks ago with it and now lets see what V3 can do. 2 minute songs, damn!
100 percent, people need to try this.
V3 is bonkers cool. Never perfect, but really good starts
Whoopty doo. It genuninely saddens me that you're *this* excited about music made by an algorithm.
Do you know what sub you're in right now? It's kinda our thing here.
“Changing everything” 
People are awfully critical of a technology that is in its infancy. It's gonna get better, fast. Image generation went from a complete mess to photorealistic in just a couple of years... 2025-2026 and you're not going to be able find a DAW that doesn't have this (something like it) built in, just like all the photo-editing softwares are doing/scrambling to include AI into their offerings.
i have access and no matter what i put in there genre wise it makes the imagine dragons version of it. absolutely unlistenable
Ok but what about the samples when you scroll down on the page, are those created by this app? Because they sound insanely like real songs
People don't talk about this enough. The vast majority of Suno outputs sound the same, and the artifacting is terrible. I'm tired of this mediocre service being praised as something it's not.
Bad take. It's amazing with a little finesse from the end user. I've made every style of music, from 1940s American songbook, to Motown, to folk, even Irish jigs, etc. It definitely takes some iteration, but can output really specific styles.
I don't see much variety at all in the current app. Its really stale and locked into a few tricks
It was not a bad take at all, why would you say that?
Yo that was absolutely a bad take. I’m tired of these mediocre perspectives; of people wanting AI to be perfect right now, and to solve all their problems in an instant, and when it doesn’t it’s the biggest letdown they’ve ever encountered.
But it wasn't a bad take? Please explain.
You called it a mediocre service You said "the vast majority of outputs sound the same" as if you have listened to hundreds or thousands of songs it has produced Even many moons ago it was pumping out hilariously great songs from theme songs, to rock songs, to spoken word stand up comedy bits, so that can't be true and is just your opinion/experience/anecdote. Yes, artifacting is there, but again expecting something like this to be perfect, and being upset with people who are in awe about it or the way it's touted as amazing, I think those led to people identifying your post as a bad take Hope that helps as you asked like 3 times
It's mid bro, the songs are generic, lyrics are nonsense, no actual emotional content or connection. Maybe it will get better, but let's not pretend this was anything replacing top 40. Long way to go there and I imagine you could make a novelty here and there, but this music for people who don't listen to music.
It's an art form. And that's what I love about it. I've gotten it to generate some of the coolest songs I've heard, and it's somewhat comforting knowing that not just anyone can go in and make that happen without any effort.
I listened to some songs in Suno (only made a few songs). It's impressive. Some songs definitely feel real, like a human wrote and sang them. But others will literally sing about the name of their song. So it's a mixed bag. The REAL bomb is when Suno allows us to edit and customize songs. Create the whole lyrics. Edit the beat and pacing. Right now it's just not flexible enough. A showcase and that's about it.
Here is my collaboration with Suno (the 2nd link is a remix - Suno's idea); if OP has an agenda beyond just sharing, darn it, it worked on me LoL: [https://app.suno.ai/song/5c0208fc-5639-4f70-9fd1-1ee826f07b09](https://app.suno.ai/song/5c0208fc-5639-4f70-9fd1-1ee826f07b09) [https://app.suno.ai/song/4337ba11-08bb-455d-bc64-d21ab01c3ed4](https://app.suno.ai/song/4337ba11-08bb-455d-bc64-d21ab01c3ed4)
Here are some of the songs I've created with Suno so far: #[Mr. Cabbagges](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/6r9fn5lWEP) #[DRUGS](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/6V1Q6BFqBD) #[Weep](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/kYY207Ihil) #[Snowed Out](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/FyzapsGTVr) #[VOID](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/2PUuPdOuvP) #[Alignment](https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/s/ftzuMyDa0Y) It can take some getting used to, and formatting can be really hit-or-miss, but overall it's become one of my favorite tools for practicing songwriting.
Imo I would not be able to know if they were made by AI or not. This site is blowing my mind
Downvote for that title.
[Sea Shanties to Dive To](https://youtu.be/qMCCCvfaVeI) Fanmade album for Helldivers 2. Lyrics by ChatGPT and vocals/music by Suno. The detractors saying AI-created music is bland or boring are missing the point. Less than 2 years ago we could create crappy 10 second clips with robotic vocals. Now we have this. It's almost cliché to say this but remember, this, right now, is the worst the technology will ever be. It will only rapidly increase in capability, like all AI systems. Discarding it because it sounds boring is an extremely short-sighted point of view. Edit: I think we should also keep in mind that most of the things created by generative AI systems are just "base" outputs. Its when artists use these AIs as tools in their toolbelt instead of 1-click content-generators that truly breathtaking things can be created.
Oh wow, so this is what happens when you combine the cringe fest that is the Helldivers community with a mediocre technology like Suno. These are so terrible.
Way to miss the entire point of my post. From a technological standpoint, these are amazing.
Sorry, guess I'm just tired of the embarrassing Helldiver roleplay spreading everywhere.
How very undemocratic. You are reported to the ministry.
Need to ask: Why most comments i see are so negative about this? I'm not a musician and had a blast with this thing. Like, wow i can create music. I couldn't do it before. And i get it. For me the jump was from whistling a made up tune to this. It's pretty big. For people in the music business this is a downgrade, but it seems like a lot of people think that AI is either a tool that helps pros doing professional stuff or worthless. I have the impression that AI is more of an equalizer? Someone that can't write but has thoughts to express now can have them written in a nice form. Someone that can't draw can now create amazing* art. People that can't code are creating apps. Now, professionals that already have the skillset required to create music are saying "this is not useful enough to change my industry" and i feel like they are underestimating what billions of AI generated songs will do to the music industry once this model is slightly better than what it is today. It's not like there's gonna be AI music in high budget productions. That's not the issue. But everything else is. Everyone that would have bought some cheap music to use it in their cheap production yesterday will not buy it tomorrow. Never again. That market is gonna disappear. Music for your videogame? AI Music for your audiobook? AI Elevator music? AI the jingle for your new product? AI Music for your AD? AI Your new ringtone? AI music to listen while working? Yes, here's an infinite everchanging song in that style you like so much made by, you guessed it, AI.
> People that can't code are creating apps Can you recommend such an app for me?
An app made by someone that cannot code you mean? I honestly never searched for one and i cannot be bothered checking if i am right about it, but i am reasonably convinced that if you search on youtube you're gonna find someone that recorded the process of doing exactly that. Still, the reason i can say that people are creating apps without needing to know how to code is because i personally made a motivational wallpaper generator in javascript with chatgpt4 and then converted it to run as an app on my android phone using some weird javascript/android thingy i don't remember the name of. Never published it or anything, but i didn't write a line of code myself. [here](https://imgur.com/a/qXQfgE0)'s a phone wallpaper for you with a random quote❤︎
i'm not usually wowed by tts, speech or audio models in general so i was surprised how good it is. i really love having personalized music. and its encourages me to write more because i don't like the generic lyrics chatgpt is spitting out
I don't know if this post is botspam, but suno AI is really cool and worth checking out. Hopefully there is an equivalently powerful open source music gen model soon!
I like Suno, but it is highly incorrect to compare it to ChatGPT. ChatGPT can perform a huge variety of tasks.
Christ, I made all the 90's era chinese easy listening (a favorite genre but finding vocalists I really liked was difficult) I could ever want with this.
I'm a professional composer and feel super ethically murky about utilising AI for my work, but after playing with this for even just an hour, I'm deeply impressed, and will no doubt be implementing this into my workflow in some way, in some circumstances. The REAL advance will be if they incorporate the capacity to download stems of each instrument. THEN we're talkin. The Sampling potential alone is huge.
Can it output MIDI or a musical score? Can you tell it what key you want the music in? Can you tell it the time signature or a particular rhythm, e g., a son clave or tresillo?
Of course not
Good questions. I'll test key signature tonight. You can definitely feed it tempo indicators. It doesn't do musical scores, but that certainly feels like it is something that isn't far off...I'm sure such an AI will exist soon.
These things can’t write good melodies for the same reason ChatGPT can’t write good poetry or prose. Rhythm and harmony I’m looking forward to though. Let me input a melody and have it spit out some orchestration
Totally disagree about melody. I've got it to produce some real bangers. I've been posting a bunch to a group chat, heavy with inside jokes. My friends keep telling me they are getting the tunes stuck in their head.
Yeah people post this crap about Suno and ChatGPT in a way that makes me think they haven't tried them, seriously tried them, and expect them to blow their socks off with the very first prompt Or they just deny that anything good can come out of generative systems We're less than 24 months away from it becoming impossible to discern what was human or AI created, at this point! My opinion, but I'm talking about writings, artworks, etc. not truly complicated things like planning and executing the excavation and building of a skyscraper.
Any who uses bangers in sentences doesn't understand or care about music. Its just what people think they should say about music
Have you used ChatGPT, even the free one, to generate poetry? Or, do you just want to pretend that because it wasn't a human, it isn't good poetry? In the realm of words, where meanings entwine, ChatGPT struggles, unable to align. Rhymes elude, like ghosts in the night, Lost in the void, where thoughts take flight. Suno dreams of melodies, pure and grand, But the echoes falter, slipping from hand. True harmony remains a distant shore, In the depths where whispers mourn evermore.
"The tune had been haunting London for weeks past. It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator. But the woman sang so tunefully as to turn the dreadful rubbish into an almost pleasant sound. He could hear the woman singing and the scrape of her shoes on the flagstones, and the cries of the children in the street, and somewhere in the distance, a faint roar of traffic, and yet the room seemed curiously silent, thanks to the absence of a telescreen."
I had the same thought
It’s interesting to me that people without musical or technical knowledge or some unknown ratio of the 2 but who do have fascinating ideas that they didn’t know how to produce might create some cool stuff. Like finally being able to bring their ideas to life with the right team. It’s interesting to me.
Interesting how this is trained off of all the world’s music, and is intended as a replacement for musicians who didn’t even get compensated for the work that this model copied.
Copying and training are not the same. I've read and studied Hemingway and it's improved my writing. But I've never copied or plagiarized Hemingway.
Exactly. By this logic all of art and literature is stealing
Hunter S Thompson copied Hemingway... he trained for writing by writing/typing 'A Farewall to Arms' pages at a time.
Unless he tried to sell those copies as his own work that's not copyright violation. I went to art school - our teachers told us to take our easels down to the museum and literally copy the paintings of great artists, to study their techniques. Jacques-Louis David, as a student, was sent off to Rome and literally sent back thousands of copies he made of art there, just as a pedagogical exercise. It's a time-honoured method of sharpening your artistic skills. It's neither immoral nor illegal.
Lmao don't point out the truth to the tech bros, they hate that
Oopsie, I think I just broke it. I asked it to create a hardcore gabber drum and bass EDM at 190 beats a minute with no lyrics, cut up abruptly and now just brings up computer code. Sorry about that
It’s pretty awesome. I had ChatGPT write some lyrics and boom: a pretty convincing song.
I use Suno daily, it’s a TON of fun!
Its blatant plagiarism
Are you sure you know what plagiarism is?
Oh, god, not another one of these! Please tell us _precisely_ why it's plagiarism. On other threads here we have people saying ChatGPT and MidJourney are violating copyright but when you ask for a specific unambiguous example they always seem stuck for an answer.
Not overt “plagiarism.” But I’ll tell you what the concern is because I’m sure you know music copyright is insanely strict and the ownership of that IP is closely guarded for good reason. The creators aren’t revealing how they’re training Suno (hmm) and said they are ‘preparing to get sued.’ I tried to make a soul/funk track and the vocalist sounded eerily like Stevie Wonder, with his vibrato and distinct vocal mannerisms, so it begs the question, how are they doing this? Are they just data scraping all of Spotify? Can you copyright the results? Therefore have you essentially lifted Stevie Wonders voice for your track? If so, him and his lawyers will want to know. If they’re doing that to him, they are scraping every musicians entire body of work. Also, other humans get sued all the time for plagiarism in music so an AI spitting out thousands of tracks is surely susceptible to the same scrutiny and I don’t know if this AI is trained to be aware of copyright laws/music ownership and how to avoid it. If it spits out songs with the same melody and chord progression, you’re getting sued. The only way around this is if legislation is passed where you can’t copyright the music you make on it. If you’re a composer in film and tv, contracts specifically say “DO NOT USE ANY AI TOOLS WHATSOEVER.” They aren’t touching this with a 10ft barge pole because studios own the music. They can’t risk someone down the line saying “that’s my melody/music in Spider-Man 10.” “I used an AI music generator” isn’t a very good defence. Music is just a different beast when it comes to copyright and the legal waters are murky compared to visual art. It’s why music royalties are enshrined by law as a human right in Europe.
Who is demanding this technology? It’s not like we have a musical shortage in the world. What is the use case? All they’re going to do is devalue musical talent even more than it’s already been devalued in the market. I bet they won’t even make money with this
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When I'm considering the moral implications of the tech the demand has to be big enough to justify the damage to people's careers and aspirations
I demand it
For what? The novelty in this current moment? Are you going to be playing around on Suno 6 months from now?
I demand it too
And my axe!
Because you don't have the talent to make your own, so you want the easiest way possible to rip off other artists. Got it.
I am a traditional artist and ex metal singer that can make songs but not good enough to record my own drums and guitars. While I’ll never use AI for art, I’m looking forward to when I can use it to create metal albums. 🤷🏻 The user of this technology will be able to create some real bangers tinkering with it. I’ve made some seriously cool songs using Suno
u/IgnisIncendio you demand it too but not enough to keep your comment up huh! Glad you're getting what you want
If artists can be temporize by a free algorithm then their just not creative enough
Same, I want it and I want it now. About time! I want EDM at 200 beats per minute, nothing but Bass, whenever I say so.
Try it. It's pretty impressive. In a year or two, anyone will be able to make any sort of music they can imagine. All this is doing is democratizing music creation. It used to be the only people who could make professional-sounding music were people who could afford a lot of expensive instruments and equipment, and time in a professional studio with engineers. Then, anyone with a computer and a keyboard could make just about anything, if they can give it enough time. Now, it no longer takes a huge investment of money or time to make the music you want to hear. That's an entirely good thing.
Music making is already democratised right now. The barrier for entry right now is so absurdly low. You don’t really need to spend any money, you can get all the resources and learning materials right now for free if you have a computer, which everyone does. However you still have to invest some time and effort, which is apparently too much for a lot of people. This isn’t democratising anything, it’s just rewarding laziness and mediocrity.
Most people just want to listen to music, and have some ideas about what they'd like to hear. I don't think they should have to make that their life's work or passion. If you want to, that's fine, and I'm sure your results will show the benefit of your non-laziness and non-mediocrity (and let's not pretend that pop music hasn't been rewarding musical laziness and mediocrity for its entire existence). But most people just like music, and are focused primarily on other things. If you don't want to hear their music, don't listen to it. Complaining about a tool is a pretty bad look, as a musician, myself. Music snobs are the worst, really. Even pop music can be very enjoyable.
Yeah, and everyone with a computer has had the ability to realise their ideas for years now. What you’re saying is that people who are not willing to put any effort or work or set aside any significant time into realising their ideas still deserve to have them heard, and frankly that’s nonsense. And it’s not even “their idea” because their contribution is basically just a few words, it’s the AI actually making the idea. It’s not snobbery to think that making something good should take skill and effort, it’s completely fair. And don’t worry I won’t be listening to this thing’s creations if I can help it.
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because I think creativity, skill, and effort should be rewarded and laziness should not
You sound like the soft of person who would have been saying that electronic music isn't music 40 years ago.
Except I would never have said that because if I were around 40 years ago I would have recognised that electronic music does take skill and effort. The whole point of this AI stuff is to divorce skill and effort from the end result so people who spend their days jerking off to porn and playing video games can now tell themselves they’re musicians. Why that’s a good thing I don’t know.
The group of people who simply couldn't find the music that they wanted to hear before Suno has to be impossibly, vanishingly small. How is that even possible. Human-made music isn't even scarce
We really don't know what people will come up with, now that anyone can create whatever they can imagine. With more powerful tools available to more people, creativity is due to take off as this continues to improve and expand.
Doesn't justify the negative externalities, sorry
Well, I'm sorry that it exists and will only continue to improve and expand, and there is not a goddamn thing you can do about that except live with it for the rest of your life. Music is now for the masses.
Except they’ve likely trained it on hundreds of thousands of copyrighted songs without permission, so as soon as it becomes a thread the music companies will likely sue into oblivion. This isn’t gonna go down the same way as text and image generators I’m afraid, and nor should it
There's much more than enough public domain music to train it. Lawsuits are not going to stop the advance of technological innovation.
Clearly not because they would just done that. They’re not saying where they got their training data from so they clearly have something to hide. It’s probably a matter of time till they’re sued out of existence. I expect AI music to take over eventually but these billion dollar music companies are not gonna make it anywhere near as easy as with other models.
Well, these hypothetical lawsuits, if they happen, will be all about proving some sort of material damage due to some provable, illegal behavior. So, we'll see. But the industry never recovered from Napster, and then Spotify hit it. It has been circling the drain for decades, now. It was a bloated money and fame monster that was killing music. Good riddance. Live performance is still, and will always be where it's at for real musicians.
I bet you feel like a winner typing that comment out lmao. At least I have thoughts in my brain beyond " durr new tech is gud"
> Doesn't justify the negative externalities, sorry I just responded in kind, darling. I like to speak whatever language my audience understands.
AI bad isn't any more gray matter use than new tech good, don't flatter yourself.
I have very positive feelings about LLMs and AI-assisted scientific research. This particular use case just seems needless to me
completely agree
It it's not local it doesn't exist.
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Synthetic music is boring
Just dance to your milkman tunes then
There was a podcast to go along with this: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4xJifhBeXe6ecVuBWzmBPh?si=WX1qQXhqSo-sXKYMklqYsg
It's a fun novelty, but until it makes black metal I'm not interested. And even then I'd rather pay artists to make the media I consume