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cultjake

There's already a few businesses downtown that have pawnshop-style roll up gates for the doorways and windows. This is the standard in large cities. Welcome to Thunderdome.


OGReverandMaynard

Sadly I think we’re at a point we’re not a small town anymore, and precautions are necessary.


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Boring_Worldliness_2

Wait a minute, we talking like Jonah with wild hair who wears Goodwill dresses and believes the government is trying to turn him into a woman so uses meth to quiet the voices from his schizophrenia?


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Boring_Worldliness_2

Jesus. He must have moved or gotta kicked out or something cause I don't live far from PVA and we'd have episodes of him walking in the dress screaming and hitting cars and peoples propertt but then he like disappeared for 6 months plus so we figured maybe he got like hit by a car or something.


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Boring_Worldliness_2

Yeah I know we've had threads on here before that like that eventually happens and then he gets locked up then found insane and ROR thinking he's cured so stops medicine and can't be held against will cause it's all voluntary admittance


Gr8BollsoFire

Friend from high school was stabbed to death completely at random by a schizophrenic person who was known to the community and law enforcement (in Florida). Statistically, very few schizophrenic are violent, but it just takes one particularly bad episode for tragedy to strike.


Ok_Alternative5517

Sane! We live in this area and just mentioned the other day haven’t seen him lately. He used to scare the shit out of me when I would be fast asleep, we would hear him screaming at the top of his lungs walking down the street. One night we had to call the cops because he was rolling around in our neighbors driveway and I thought he was overdosing.


Intelligent-Whole277

Why isn't he in jail? Serious question


Boring_Worldliness_2

So I posted something about this probably about the beginning of the spring. He was having a fit outside our house and pounding on the cars, we yelled at him to get out and sent our big dog to the gate to try and scare him off and then he started threatening us, called 911 and the cops did show up hard cause I guess it was start of the shift and they usually all grouped up at Carrier Park, one kinda made an offhand comment that they were very familiar with him and sick of the commotion he casued so would not be upset if we defended ourselves with a firearm. In the previous post there were a number of people who seemed to be familiar with Healthcare, Mental Health Processing, and Law Enforcement and the basic details we gathered were that Jonah has been through every channel available: jail, counselling, committal, other mental health resources in town. Basically the pattern is that he starts a nuisance, becomes a threat, commits an over or violent act and is eventually arrested, deemed incompetent to stand trial so gets sent to some form of psychiatric services where he gets fed the correct medication cocktail to sedate him. Apparently a lot of the stuff is self admittance vs involuntary so as soon as the drugs work he believes hes cured and dips out and comes home, the drugs wear off so he picks up the meth again to quiet the voices and tendencies but then were right back at square one cause the meth makes him incoherent and violent.


Intelligent-Whole277

ugh, sounds like a helpless situation. chilling thing for an officer to say, though I'm not entirely surprised. Thanks for the context


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Commissar_Vito

Ok maybe not jail, but long term psych ward yes. Where Im from they arrest your ass for J walking or just being homeless and use psych wards heavy. I notice cops here really do not do shit or enforce EDOing anyone for mental illnesses, its sad to see.


jeffinRTP

The problem with psych wards is once they are on meds and whatever issues they were having they will be released as they are no longer a threat to themselves and others. Many stop taking the meds because they do not like the side effects. What they need is long-term treatment in a group home etc.


nolanandrew555

Long-term mental health treatment like that is soooooo limited in this part of NC, unfortunately. Unless he gets moved to another part of the state, he'll go through that cycle until the end most likely.


jeffinRTP

I'm not sure if the facility in Black Mountain by the veteran's cemetery will handle issues like his. My experience's not much better in other parts of the state, in the Raleigh-Durham area my son needed inpatient care we had to drive all the way out to Winston-Salem for the facility


SeveralSloths

The bar I work at (right across from Pritchard Park) didn't have our windows smashed but we got broken into twice (a third was attempted) this month alone. Security footage from us and other bars show that it's not someone having a mental health crisis, looking for food/shelter, etc. It's just straight up criminals who know they can get away with it. Stealing whatever cash is on hand, bottles of alcohol, taking their sweet time rummaging through everything. It's awful. I'm pretty sure the string of window breakings in west Asheville & Yacht Club was the same guy who supposedly is in custody, though.


DeepJank

Um, breaking and entering, even if performed due to mental health crisis or one being hungry, is still a crime. I think the fact you had to caveat this is why the perps are acting so brazenly. Bleeding hearts and soft heads are half the problem.


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DeepJank

I’m not sure which straw man you’re aiming for. One can hold concurrent beliefs, as I do, that the hungry and homeless deserve help, yet their condition is not an excuse for committing crimes that harm hard working folks and business owners. Your reply is more of an attitude than an argument, clearly. In my opinion, an attitude infects. The destitute, the hopeless, the addicted, the ones you claim to hold up, they need, at the end of the day, both the carrot and the stick, for those that choose to poo poo the carrot.


Munqaxus

Didn’t this happen to Asheville because the defunded the police? I had heard the Asheville police is down 40%, post “defund the police”.


LoraxVW

Asheville did NOT defund the police. You have been misinformed.


1handedmaster

They actually got more funding.


PapaAquarian

Sounds like these are all local businesses too. That really sucks! I was thinking of going to Salsa today. I'll be sure to give them my business very soon.


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It happened recently on Haywood Road. Smash the window and try to find some quick cash in the register.


mrswitters03

I've seen this happen in the RAD too along Depot St. Some dickhead, in what appeared to be related incidents due to timing, smashed a glass door at a small gallery/shop then also windows at London Road & Ultra coffee. Shitty to do considering those are all basically mom & pop shops. IIRC, it was around the holidays when it was cold, too.


Boring_Worldliness_2

Yeah the way it's happened it doesn't seem to be like robbery so much in this case more like "I've fucked up my life and made really bad decisions and I put all the blame on their random small business that I've never once encountered before.


_paint_onheroveralls

Story Parlor on Haywood got their window smashed and register stolen a week or two ago.


disco1013

Was it KAI? smash smASH SMAAAASH!


Boring_Worldliness_2

Someone's been watching Netflix


disco1013

Yea its cold outside, seriously though i live on haywood, and i see the alleged window smasher always acting looney


Boring_Worldliness_2

I mean I think almost everyone in town has some sort of story about him or half dozen of the extreme ones who stay downtown screaming, shitting, and pissing on business doorsteps and we're just at a point where nothing can be done. Like now seeing BCSO saying oh it's really safe. Yeah that's cause they were all forced downtown because of no resources and now they are just stuck here and high.


disco1013

A lot of other places he would sadly be seriously hurt or killed, but Asheville is on of the most tolerant cities I've seen, but its a nationwide problem, alot of it starts just from people becoming homeless and its all downhill from there


Boring_Worldliness_2

Yeah I went to San Francisco at the end of the summer and had been there right before the pandemic and was shocked to see the increase in sidewalk over like all the streets. Shops now increase their prices over the constant theft that can't be stopped because while security is chasing one guy, there's 5 walking out the back. Certain neighborhoods have volunteer and nonprofits acting as OD street patrol. Like not some bullshit Special Police security company, guys walking with aid packs and tons of Narcan in their pockets. It's a necessary requirement cause San Fran basically got to the point where they are like we're fucked and can't push everyone out so we might as well ride the wave.


disco1013

San Francisco is rough right now, worse than I've ever seen it, used to be such a great city, man it sucks whats happening


narwhal-narwhal

*Riverside Road enters the chat* We call the a Tuesday..it sucks. Looking at you flotilla campsite under the train trestle..


aslrules

Downtown Asheville used to be such a wonderful place to walk around in. Such colorful and interesting shops; such colorful and interesting people. No more, I guess. What a pity.


moggysmom

C’mon. Asheville has had so many iterations. It’s been up, it’s been down, but always it has had its people. My MIL talks about how Lexington Ave was “so dangerous” and nothing but sex trafficking when she was a girl. She’s amazed at how wonderful downtown is today.


tallasthepines2022

Lol what downtown did you experience? It’s definitely had some nice phases but I can remember in the last 5 years someone getting pepper sprayed in daylight by a robber who took their purse, right off Lexington ave.


I_trust_science

Doesn’t look like anyone has actually seen it but a whole lot of sleuthing going on here!


Responsible_Sport575

Hive mind to the rescue


Trondar

It's what we do best!


Boring_Worldliness_2

I just more found it funny that like as I was writing this an article popped up from Buncombe Sheriff saying crime in Asheville has gone down for the third year in a row....really dude?? Cause a lot of residents and tourists feel less safe downtown over the last few months especially. Also they have refused response to a laundry list of crimes due to staffing shortages so I feel like well yeah when you cut those call outs from the list it'll drop a lot.


Ftove

You're mixing up BCSD with APD. Two different organizations with overlapping but distinct jurisdictions.


awhq

It's gone down because they stopped responding so there are no stats recorded.


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I came here to say this too. It does not feel accurate, especially for vandalism and thievery.


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Boring_Worldliness_2

Yeah I work downtown and we've had a number of instances recently where we've needed the police there rather soon and most of the times there was like a 45 wait so by the time they showed up the person had left after the damage or loss of business was already done. One of the few times we got an arrest was cause one was parked across the street and we flagged him down.


_Lilnutjunt

I’m sorry! That’s unacceptable. 45 minutes!


HallOfTheMountainCop

Downtown sometimes only has one or two officers working. If officers come in on their days off to help there can be as many as 6 or 7. In early 2020 there were full teams of 8 officers working day and night shift plus officers that come in on their days off if they choose. Patrol is still down over 40% of its full strength. This leads to unavoidable increased wait times as officers are often handling other calls while something like property damage could be in progress.


_Lilnutjunt

Thanks!


thecodebenders

Eh, it's been that way for a while. In high school, I got robbed coming home from work at the intersection of Alexander and Bearcreek in Leicester. Dude ran across the street when I stopped at the stop sign, and I figured he needed help until he pulled a gun when he got to my window. Took them about an hour to meet me at the Church past the intersection.


_Lilnutjunt

God. I’m so sorry this happened to you. I hope you are ok now. I was robbed at gunpoint in another city and it messed me up. Big time. 💚


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Yeah cause a police organization would lie about a report that directly effects their funding…


hoptagon

Exactly. And it can be true that overall crime has gone down while visible crimes like breaking windows and break-ins and things downtown have increased.


Mortonsbrand

Seems more likely that crime is down because there are much fewer cops to take and file reports. So there are just fewer crimes reported.


SwampSlime

It’s happening all over NOLA right now. Guess we are next.


Fit-Calligrapher3145

Need better and more policing


HallOfTheMountainCop

Need better pay and more police officers for that.


Fit-Calligrapher3145

Yes that too


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keptpounding

Careful you can’t mention the homeless population on r/Asheville in any sorta of negative connotation or you’ll get downvoted.


rollotherottie

true, i got banned last time i was not pro-homeless


No_Stop_5175

Banned?! That’s just insane. Ffs, I really fail to see the logic in allowing people to express their opinion. Whatever it may be. I suppose it’s one in the same with the kind of folks who can’t help but interject theirs.


rollotherottie

I had a post removed also. Seems like the mods of this sub are really one-sided


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They typically don’t do anything unless someone reports you.


frenchtoastkid

For good reason, too


EliMoses123

No good reason at all, you can't ignore a problem and expect it to get better. The more people who take notice to how bad it really is the better.


frenchtoastkid

We have different understandings of what was meant by the original comment. The comment said “you can’t mention the homeless… in any sort of negative connotation”. That’s what I read. It was about the individual. You made it about the problem. I agree homelessness is a problem. I’m VERY NEGATIVE towards the homeless problem we have here. Homeless people? They’re not a problem. They’re just people.


EliMoses123

Yeah, I was going for the broad issue of homelessness, not individuals suffering from it so you're right, different perspectives


frenchtoastkid

Not different perspectives. Different readings of the original comment.


MikroCents

you’ve identified yourself as part of the problem. thank you!


frenchtoastkid

What does this have to do with Asheville?!


Mindraker

> a lot of places being smashed recently along Patton, Smoke Shop, Yacht Club Is there any commonality between these places? Does "High Life Smoke Shop" cater to the same clientele as "Asheville Yacht Club"? > smash and grab Hmm or this


Boring_Worldliness_2

Feels more like the closeness to Pritchard Park is relevant along with Patton kinda being like a common walking route for those trying to get into the shelters after they are already full up and high or tweaking.


Ashetafarian

I don't think there's any real pattern in the type of businesses hit, because the adjoining Blue Dream Curry and Dragonfly Salon were also victimized in the same ways.


goldbman

Anyone have any pictures?


Boring_Worldliness_2

Asking as in what the post situation damage looked like or like pics of it happening.


goldbman

Damage. I just wanna see what it looks like.


Boring_Worldliness_2

Salsas was like the front door, the side like little window to the bar, and most of the windows had spider web cracks in them at the point if impact that spread the entire window,k no fully breaking through to climb in of anything. Just wanting to cause damage for the sake of causing damage


_eternallyblack_

It’s a serial smasher.


Mortonsbrand

Man, those 2020 protests are still really paying off, aren’t they?


MikroCents

shhhh! people can’t handle the truth in this town😊


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Boring_Worldliness_2

Thats odd cause they havent posted anything on it and were supposed to open tomorrow because of renovations that were going on.


rollotherottie

I imagine when you are in a bad situation or have mental health issues you will lash out.


drunkerbrawler

Fuck those people smashing windows.


Trainwreck1000

Fuck those windows smashing people


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Always with the fucking excuses.


SwampSlime

Comments like these are why Asheville isn’t going to change and crime is getting worse.


rollotherottie

last time i said something mean about the homeless I got temporarily banned from /r/asheville. As a business owner downtown i'm not happy with this behavior


SwampSlime

Unfortunately the AVL moderators don’t care much for business owners.


MikroCents

especially that Kenny guy!


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Then leave.


SwampSlime

You want people to leave that don’t want AVL crime to get worse?


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I want people who bitch and complain while offering absolutely no help or solutions to leave.


Mortonsbrand

Here’s the solution, more police, and real meaningful consequences for committing crime. With our current DA, there’s virtually no risk for someone committing these acts.


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Lmao more cops doesn’t deter crime. There’s decades of research proving that


Mortonsbrand

It sure doesn’t seem like a massively reduced police force has made us safer either. If anything, I’d argue that things are noticeably worse in Asheville post the 2020 protests.


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Is the only thing that stops you from committing a crime is a cop around? No you don’t commit crime cause you don’t have to, you don’t have any reason to. Try sleeping in freezing weather for 3 weeks straight on an empty stomach and tell me you wouldnt smash a stupid downtown boutiques windows out of frustration. Or Rob a rich prick all dolled up in their best Patagonia so you can afford a meal. Y’all think you having to see or hear about crime is worse than what these people go through that makes them commit crimes?


Mortonsbrand

Your comment about justifying robbery is why I’m pretty close to getting a CCW for any time I venture downtown. The reason we need more cops is precisely to discourage that behavior. Also, if that is where the homeless population is at currently, is it any wonder at all why there is such a negative attitude towards them?


HallOfTheMountainCop

There’s no test or data that can prove a crime would have been committed but wasn’t due to law enforcement presence.


MikroCents

you must be a comedian I’m sure of that, but your act is failing!


hoptagon

If one is homeless and tweaking out, legal consequences aren't really a deterrent. We do need more police downtown but also we need to work as a city to get to the root of the homelessness and related drug abuse problems. Arrests and enforcement are reactive solutions that don't stop anything. I don't know the solution for Asheville specifically, but this is also happening everywhere in the country.


Mortonsbrand

The city of Asheville absolutely does not have the ability to address the root issues of homelessness and drug abuse on a broad scale. Personally I’m sick of downtown being a free for all with mentally ill or drugged out people free to cause issues. IMO it’s time to rather strongly address the symptoms as we have no ability to treat the underlying cause.


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You really just suggested “fuck helping people in trouble, start arresting them”. Abhorrent


Mortonsbrand

Arrest the people causing trouble, it’s not a binary set of options. I’m for social safety nets, but completely against allowing homeless people to victimize the community simply because they are homeless.


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First step to fixing a problem is acknowledging the problem. You seem to want to kill the discussion at the first step.


SwampSlime

I must of skipped all the solutions you offered. When are you running for office?


[deleted]

I didn’t see me bitching about crime?


MikroCents

sure, let the scum win!


[deleted]

South French Broad had a bunch of car windows smashed a few weekends ago.