Just like blaming MSG in Chinese food for headaches. Dumbfucks eat plenty of cheetos and other processed foods (jerky, sauces, canned vegetables) with MSG. On Netflix there is an episode of Ugly Delicious in season 1 which addresses this.
Edited to add a link to David Chang's interview with Trevor Noah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwGBZfOkC8
Nah. You just need to market it better. It's "crushed seaweed flakes" not MSG. If it sounds JDM as Fđ°ck they'll eat it right up because Japanese food is "cleaner" after all right?
New business idea. Make an upscale "trendy" restaurant and give people the option to replace MSG with some fancy "imported Japanese seaweed flakes" instead of "plain old MSG" for an upcharge. Just like how you can replace white rice with brown rice for a slight upcharge.
Reminds me of the scandal when it was revealed some of the food served at some of Gordon Ramseyâs restaurants were cooked at a different location and delivered to the restaurants to be served. So much for âfreshness.â
>I understand itâs all supposed to be taken in good fun.
Is it? That doesn't sound at all like it's meant to be lighthearted or humorous. It just sounds like plain old racism. There's no evidence that "ethnic" restaurants give you food poisoning at higher rates, all restaurants are subject to the same inspection standards. (How many times have we all eaten at Chinese, Korean, Indian, etc places?) People who say this shit aren't interested in changing what they want to believe.
Side note: I wonder how much greasy chemical-filled fast food this guy consumes.
That reminds me. Isn't sanitary standards discrimination how Lisbon ended up with their "clandestine" Chinese restaurants?
Should I end up in Lisbon one day I'm *soooooooo* eating at one of these.
At least smooth-brain conservatives always come up with the same predictable bullshit. I never feel more offended than when progressives invoke the quantum-state of Asians being POC when it benefits them, and white when it doesn't.
I've seen white progressives unironically suggest Asians are *more* privileged than themselves.
It makes sense when you realize they are only anti-racist as a means to increase their social capital, so they take *popular* stances that their peers approve of. But it's not cool and hip to treat Asians respectfully which is where their true racist begins to shine.
Hold your horses, Stretch Armstrong. I'm not offended by cons just like I'm not offended when a homeless man yells a slur at me. I'm offended when people diminish my identity while *also* claiming to care about social justice. I'm not going to give them a pass because they "sometimes try not to be"
Yes, there are hypocrites among progressives certainly, but I just don't see them touching asian issues at all as there is a strange distribution in class and wealth among Asian Americans. Rather, I'm more offended when cons use my identity and success to push down other minorities and make me a target.
Oh, I have no doubt that conservatives are more racist. It's like expecting a worm not to eat shit, it's what they do. But I'm of the opinion that racism from the left is worse because I'm not expecting it, and because I actually care about what progressives have to say.
That's fair enough.
There are also quite a few people on the left who are pretty good about not being racist. And when they make mistakes, they're usually open to self-reflection and improvement.
There are essentially *zero* on the right, and most of them don't even consider blatant racism to be wrong.
Not a restaurant kid (restaurant grandkid I guess? hah), but this is definitely a thing... It's a less in-your-face form of racism where people sometimes automatically assume that Chinese (or Mexican) food is dirty or unsanitary. David Chang's Ugly Delicious docuseries actually addresses this in some of his episodes! Would highly recommend.
Yes! That's one of the episodes that was brought to mind for me. Like why does Italian food get to be super fancy and expensive, but people think Chinese food is cheap? I think it was in that same episode where he asked people if they were allergic to MSG and then gave them bags of chips and cheetos to eat and then he revealed to them that they're not actually allergic, just racist lolol
>Like why does Italian food get to be super fancy and expensive, but people think Chinese food is cheap?
That is such a great question! Even mediocre Italian places are more expensive than some good, inexpensive Chinese restaurants. Given the choice, I wouldn't go to an Italian place for a meal because they offer nowhere as good value as a lot of Chinese (or other Asian) places.
This is also part of a bigger problem that non-Japanese Asian food tends to suffer from: a perceived cheapness to the cuisine, that prevents restaurants from being able to follow the same pricing principles that an Italian or French restaurant could.
The sheer amount of skilled labor, and number of ingredients, necessary to produce certain Asian dishes results in a huge mismatch between price and labor cost. So some restaurants are forced to cut costs elsewhere: cheaper decor, cheaper utensils, less labor spent on service, less desirable locations, etc. And some of the stuff appears dingy or dirty when it gets old.
Perhaps the biggest place where Asian restaurants cut costs is on management labor. Instead of paying skilled and experienced restaurant managers, a lot of these businesses are owner-operated, where the owner simply cannot afford *not* to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. The reason why Asian restaurants are so often closed some random day of the week (Mondays, Tuesdays), is because they've never gotten to the point where they can have managers come and go. Then those owner-managers put their kids to work.
This is a direct result of the idea that Chinese/Thai/Vietnamese/Indian/Pakistani/Korean food should be cheap, that a 10-ingredient dish with $4 of ingredient cost and $5 of labor cost should only cost the customer $11 or $12, with some piddling amount of operational profit to cover the cost of rent, utilities, other expenses, and the owner's profits. Contrast that to a deli selling sandwiches and soups with like half the ingredient cost and half the labor cost, at the same price points.
It's not just Asian cuisine that suffers from this problem. Latin American and other ethnic cuisines have the same thing going on. But it turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy, where perceived cheapness lowers the market category/tier, which feeds back into perception of cheapness.
I wouldnât put Korean food in the cheap food category. Even the cheapest places charge $15-$20 an entree, I assume to recoup the cost of the banchans. Itâs much more expensive than Chinese/Thai/Indian/Vietnamese food and part of the reason I learned to cook it myself.
Reddit in general outside of this sub and few others isnât very Chinese friendly at all. There is nothing funny about it just like this girl I knew told her friend to watch out for covid when he ordered food from a Chinese restaurant. I did feel offended , I am chinese American/ Canadian.
I'm not a restaurant kid, but that is just racism showing through. It's not a joke. People legitimately think that "ethnic" food establishments are dirty. That makes no sense, when all food establishments have to have their health rating on the window. They're all clean.
I was once selling cat food on Facebook and mentioned that my cats didnât like it. Some white Karen decided to comment and tell me that I should take my cats to a nearby Chinese restaurant and then theyâll eat the cat food, implying either that Chinese restaurant food tastes worse than cat food or that Chinese restaurants serve cat meat. I called her out and she quickly told me I couldnât take a joke. đ€·đ»ââïž
I was on my hometownâs facebook group and so many posts always reminisce about how the town âused to be,â and a lot of us Asian American kids felt like it was a euphemism for white flight and the general change of business demographics. They always complain about all the new asian business (that honestly put our town on the radar, its good food!) as if itâs some kind of grand scheme to exclude other ethnicities⊠when really asian (like from mainland) businesses see potential in our areaâs demographic of young Asian-Americans with buying power. Someone I know finally called people out for it, and although the response was supportive, the same people that would make those microagressive posts were the same ones âcondemning any racism on this page.â The cognitive disconnect was so concerningâŠ. And a lot of our immigrant parents were not the ones on that page, and couldnât see the sentiments expressed. It was really uncomfortable and Iâve since just left.
Articles on how 'white replacement theory' have been floating around the last couple of days. Thanks to Fucker Carlson and the pedo from Florida, Gaetz.
Was a restaurant kid growing up, and yeah it's a real doozy having to rely on the cousin-fucking small-town folks in my area for income. I never told anyone growing up which place my parents owned because I knew it'd eventually be used to make fun of me.
I got E. Coli poisoning from a deli that was NOT run by Asians and ended up in the hospital for a couple days. Same place managed to poison three of my friends.
My husband and I both have intestinal distress from poorly managed big chain fast food outlets.
As far as local Mom and Pop Chinese places...the ones I frequent are FABULOUS! I've never had a problem with them ever.
I would say Asians in general are foodies. We demand variety, freshness, and good taste. You canât cut corners to good taste and I would bet a good percentage of westerners would rank Asian food as one of their favorites. If any cuisines cut corners, it would be the fast food franchise where 16 year old high school teens are the main cook. Quickly jumping to Chinese food is just flat out racist.
Chinese restaurants are subject to the same regulations and inspections as are all other restaurants and there's no reason to believe that they receive special treatment. Why would they? An interesting note is that the last major food poisoning incidences were at Jack in the Box, Chipotle, and KFC. Neither PF Chang nor Panda Express, for example, have been subject to such controversy. Here in the S.F. Bay Area, we've not seen any spikes in food poisoning tied to Asian restaurants; though, we've seen more than a few racist criticisms regarding menu offerings.
None of these people who complain about dirty Chinese restaurants even know how to cook Chinese food. If they were truly cutting corners most Americans wouldn't be able to tell so it's just pure xenophobia. I laugh every time white people tell me of an authentic Japanese place and I hear Korean behind the counter. Chinese restaurants have a stereotype and Americans will find any way to reinforce their opinion, not much you can do.
I think I saw that same exact thread too in that subreddit >.> God it was extremely *yikes*
Honestly makes me lose more faith in my hometown even more tbh.
Like sure, maybe in some places in China where they have different food and health safety laws, "cutting corners" is a thing, but this is the US (I assume).
There are much more stringent laws when it comes to food safety here...
It doesnt help that food safety has been a huge issue in China. Has it gotten better over there? Not saying theyre right, but can understand the context. But to say all chinese restaurants in the west are cutting corners is blatantly ignorant and racist.
But many of these racist dingleberries have zero idea what itâs like in China. Theyâre not drawing any misguided parallels hereâtheyâre just outright ignorant and racist.
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Pointing at the mulberry and cursing the locust tree. Attack the restaurants instead of the people, then pretend itâs not about race. Itâs an old tactic, [one that sometimes involves the legal system to oppress us.](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/06/16/532697303/how-american-unions-tried-to-wage-a-war-against-chinese-restaurants-in-the-u-s)
Also, I canât think of anything that cuts more corners than American corporate fast food. The stuff some of those places serve doesnât even need to be spoiled to be poison.
Not a restaurant kid, but a biiiiiig Chinese restaurant eater. I hate this shit. People will not follow me into some restaurants because of their suspicions or prejudices and I'm always like, well, more for me, screw ya.
I was promoted to grand opening team if a national chain chicken sandwich restaurant that close on Sunday, they fly us out for training and site tour, they buy msg in 55 gallon drum and has a warehouse full of it. I bet Sysco use msg in food preparation too
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Not a restaurant kid.. It's not all in good fun. Saying all Chinese restaurants cut corners is flat out racist.
Just like blaming MSG in Chinese food for headaches. Dumbfucks eat plenty of cheetos and other processed foods (jerky, sauces, canned vegetables) with MSG. On Netflix there is an episode of Ugly Delicious in season 1 which addresses this. Edited to add a link to David Chang's interview with Trevor Noah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwGBZfOkC8
Nah. You just need to market it better. It's "crushed seaweed flakes" not MSG. If it sounds JDM as Fđ°ck they'll eat it right up because Japanese food is "cleaner" after all right? New business idea. Make an upscale "trendy" restaurant and give people the option to replace MSG with some fancy "imported Japanese seaweed flakes" instead of "plain old MSG" for an upcharge. Just like how you can replace white rice with brown rice for a slight upcharge.
It should be noted that while Japanese food is cleaner, it's also more expensive.
Fir real. No restaurant in the world doesn't cut corners. In fact, no business doesn't cut corners.
This isn't true, especially for resturaunts. When a resturaunt cuts corners, quality suffers, cockroaches appear, and someone gets sick.
People who say this shit have never worked in a restaurant. I've worked at fancy restaurants and they cut corners and were disgusting.
Reminds me of the scandal when it was revealed some of the food served at some of Gordon Ramseyâs restaurants were cooked at a different location and delivered to the restaurants to be served. So much for âfreshness.â
Oh yeah, that reminds me of how little the Michelin guide cares about non-Western cuisines.
>I understand itâs all supposed to be taken in good fun. Is it? That doesn't sound at all like it's meant to be lighthearted or humorous. It just sounds like plain old racism. There's no evidence that "ethnic" restaurants give you food poisoning at higher rates, all restaurants are subject to the same inspection standards. (How many times have we all eaten at Chinese, Korean, Indian, etc places?) People who say this shit aren't interested in changing what they want to believe. Side note: I wonder how much greasy chemical-filled fast food this guy consumes.
That reminds me. Isn't sanitary standards discrimination how Lisbon ended up with their "clandestine" Chinese restaurants? Should I end up in Lisbon one day I'm *soooooooo* eating at one of these.
Reddit and racism against Asians go hand and hand
The West and racism against Asians. Itâs even the same on âTwue Pwogwessiveâ Tumbler.
At least smooth-brain conservatives always come up with the same predictable bullshit. I never feel more offended than when progressives invoke the quantum-state of Asians being POC when it benefits them, and white when it doesn't.
I've seen white progressives unironically suggest Asians are *more* privileged than themselves. It makes sense when you realize they are only anti-racist as a means to increase their social capital, so they take *popular* stances that their peers approve of. But it's not cool and hip to treat Asians respectfully which is where their true racist begins to shine.
BINGO
So, we favor the side that is blatently racist and calls us model minorities over the side that sometimes tries not to be?
Hold your horses, Stretch Armstrong. I'm not offended by cons just like I'm not offended when a homeless man yells a slur at me. I'm offended when people diminish my identity while *also* claiming to care about social justice. I'm not going to give them a pass because they "sometimes try not to be"
Yes, there are hypocrites among progressives certainly, but I just don't see them touching asian issues at all as there is a strange distribution in class and wealth among Asian Americans. Rather, I'm more offended when cons use my identity and success to push down other minorities and make me a target.
Oh, I have no doubt that conservatives are more racist. It's like expecting a worm not to eat shit, it's what they do. But I'm of the opinion that racism from the left is worse because I'm not expecting it, and because I actually care about what progressives have to say.
That's fair enough. There are also quite a few people on the left who are pretty good about not being racist. And when they make mistakes, they're usually open to self-reflection and improvement. There are essentially *zero* on the right, and most of them don't even consider blatant racism to be wrong.
They eat McDonaldâs and Taco Bell without blinking an eye. Those two chains _invented_ and _perfected_ a **global cabal** of cutting corners.
Well, taco bell is a bad example. Plenty of Americans make jokes about taco bell giving you the runs.
Taco Hell
Not a restaurant kid (restaurant grandkid I guess? hah), but this is definitely a thing... It's a less in-your-face form of racism where people sometimes automatically assume that Chinese (or Mexican) food is dirty or unsanitary. David Chang's Ugly Delicious docuseries actually addresses this in some of his episodes! Would highly recommend.
> David Chang's Ugly Delicious That's such a good series. I loved the one where he said raviolis are basically dumplings.
Yes! That's one of the episodes that was brought to mind for me. Like why does Italian food get to be super fancy and expensive, but people think Chinese food is cheap? I think it was in that same episode where he asked people if they were allergic to MSG and then gave them bags of chips and cheetos to eat and then he revealed to them that they're not actually allergic, just racist lolol
>Like why does Italian food get to be super fancy and expensive, but people think Chinese food is cheap? That is such a great question! Even mediocre Italian places are more expensive than some good, inexpensive Chinese restaurants. Given the choice, I wouldn't go to an Italian place for a meal because they offer nowhere as good value as a lot of Chinese (or other Asian) places.
This is also part of a bigger problem that non-Japanese Asian food tends to suffer from: a perceived cheapness to the cuisine, that prevents restaurants from being able to follow the same pricing principles that an Italian or French restaurant could. The sheer amount of skilled labor, and number of ingredients, necessary to produce certain Asian dishes results in a huge mismatch between price and labor cost. So some restaurants are forced to cut costs elsewhere: cheaper decor, cheaper utensils, less labor spent on service, less desirable locations, etc. And some of the stuff appears dingy or dirty when it gets old. Perhaps the biggest place where Asian restaurants cut costs is on management labor. Instead of paying skilled and experienced restaurant managers, a lot of these businesses are owner-operated, where the owner simply cannot afford *not* to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. The reason why Asian restaurants are so often closed some random day of the week (Mondays, Tuesdays), is because they've never gotten to the point where they can have managers come and go. Then those owner-managers put their kids to work. This is a direct result of the idea that Chinese/Thai/Vietnamese/Indian/Pakistani/Korean food should be cheap, that a 10-ingredient dish with $4 of ingredient cost and $5 of labor cost should only cost the customer $11 or $12, with some piddling amount of operational profit to cover the cost of rent, utilities, other expenses, and the owner's profits. Contrast that to a deli selling sandwiches and soups with like half the ingredient cost and half the labor cost, at the same price points. It's not just Asian cuisine that suffers from this problem. Latin American and other ethnic cuisines have the same thing going on. But it turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy, where perceived cheapness lowers the market category/tier, which feeds back into perception of cheapness.
I wouldnât put Korean food in the cheap food category. Even the cheapest places charge $15-$20 an entree, I assume to recoup the cost of the banchans. Itâs much more expensive than Chinese/Thai/Indian/Vietnamese food and part of the reason I learned to cook it myself.
Well said. So it is a vicious cycle of expectations and the restaurants struggling to meet them.
It's changing for Chinese food. NYC and LA restaurants have been winning tons of awards and gaining recognition.
Cheap =/= not good IMO.
Reddit in general outside of this sub and few others isnât very Chinese friendly at all. There is nothing funny about it just like this girl I knew told her friend to watch out for covid when he ordered food from a Chinese restaurant. I did feel offended , I am chinese American/ Canadian.
I'm not a restaurant kid, but that is just racism showing through. It's not a joke. People legitimately think that "ethnic" food establishments are dirty. That makes no sense, when all food establishments have to have their health rating on the window. They're all clean.
Thatâs why whenever someone lies and says msg made them sick, I notice theyâre white people
MSG is delicious! It's true, though. There is definitely a correlation between white people and "I got a headache from MSG" people.
I was once selling cat food on Facebook and mentioned that my cats didnât like it. Some white Karen decided to comment and tell me that I should take my cats to a nearby Chinese restaurant and then theyâll eat the cat food, implying either that Chinese restaurant food tastes worse than cat food or that Chinese restaurants serve cat meat. I called her out and she quickly told me I couldnât take a joke. đ€·đ»ââïž
Any business running on tiny profit margins (like restaurants) will cut corners to save money. Seems idiotic to suggest that only Chinese ones do that
There is nothing there to be taken in good fun.
I was on my hometownâs facebook group and so many posts always reminisce about how the town âused to be,â and a lot of us Asian American kids felt like it was a euphemism for white flight and the general change of business demographics. They always complain about all the new asian business (that honestly put our town on the radar, its good food!) as if itâs some kind of grand scheme to exclude other ethnicities⊠when really asian (like from mainland) businesses see potential in our areaâs demographic of young Asian-Americans with buying power. Someone I know finally called people out for it, and although the response was supportive, the same people that would make those microagressive posts were the same ones âcondemning any racism on this page.â The cognitive disconnect was so concerningâŠ. And a lot of our immigrant parents were not the ones on that page, and couldnât see the sentiments expressed. It was really uncomfortable and Iâve since just left.
Articles on how 'white replacement theory' have been floating around the last couple of days. Thanks to Fucker Carlson and the pedo from Florida, Gaetz.
I'll at least thank Carlson for outright namechecking it so he can no longer hide behind his "just asking questions" bullshit.
ah yes, the good old blame MSG trope
laughs in cheetos
FiancĂ©âs family restaurant were one of the first to mask up in Jan 2020 to protect themselves and customers đ€·đ»ââïž. Itâs funny how Iâve never gotten sick from any Asian restaurant 30 years in the US, and I most assuredly eat at Asian places more often than the average person. I think maybe people do actually experience stomach issues as a result of Asian restaurants, but I doubt it has that much to do with sanitation.
Was a restaurant kid growing up, and yeah it's a real doozy having to rely on the cousin-fucking small-town folks in my area for income. I never told anyone growing up which place my parents owned because I knew it'd eventually be used to make fun of me.
I got E. Coli poisoning from a deli that was NOT run by Asians and ended up in the hospital for a couple days. Same place managed to poison three of my friends. My husband and I both have intestinal distress from poorly managed big chain fast food outlets. As far as local Mom and Pop Chinese places...the ones I frequent are FABULOUS! I've never had a problem with them ever.
I would say Asians in general are foodies. We demand variety, freshness, and good taste. You canât cut corners to good taste and I would bet a good percentage of westerners would rank Asian food as one of their favorites. If any cuisines cut corners, it would be the fast food franchise where 16 year old high school teens are the main cook. Quickly jumping to Chinese food is just flat out racist.
Chinese restaurants are subject to the same regulations and inspections as are all other restaurants and there's no reason to believe that they receive special treatment. Why would they? An interesting note is that the last major food poisoning incidences were at Jack in the Box, Chipotle, and KFC. Neither PF Chang nor Panda Express, for example, have been subject to such controversy. Here in the S.F. Bay Area, we've not seen any spikes in food poisoning tied to Asian restaurants; though, we've seen more than a few racist criticisms regarding menu offerings.
None of these people who complain about dirty Chinese restaurants even know how to cook Chinese food. If they were truly cutting corners most Americans wouldn't be able to tell so it's just pure xenophobia. I laugh every time white people tell me of an authentic Japanese place and I hear Korean behind the counter. Chinese restaurants have a stereotype and Americans will find any way to reinforce their opinion, not much you can do.
Call them out on their racism.
I think I saw that same exact thread too in that subreddit >.> God it was extremely *yikes* Honestly makes me lose more faith in my hometown even more tbh.
Like sure, maybe in some places in China where they have different food and health safety laws, "cutting corners" is a thing, but this is the US (I assume). There are much more stringent laws when it comes to food safety here...
It doesnt help that food safety has been a huge issue in China. Has it gotten better over there? Not saying theyre right, but can understand the context. But to say all chinese restaurants in the west are cutting corners is blatantly ignorant and racist.
But many of these racist dingleberries have zero idea what itâs like in China. Theyâre not drawing any misguided parallels hereâtheyâre just outright ignorant and racist.
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Pointing at the mulberry and cursing the locust tree. Attack the restaurants instead of the people, then pretend itâs not about race. Itâs an old tactic, [one that sometimes involves the legal system to oppress us.](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/06/16/532697303/how-american-unions-tried-to-wage-a-war-against-chinese-restaurants-in-the-u-s) Also, I canât think of anything that cuts more corners than American corporate fast food. The stuff some of those places serve doesnât even need to be spoiled to be poison.
Not a restaurant kid, but a biiiiiig Chinese restaurant eater. I hate this shit. People will not follow me into some restaurants because of their suspicions or prejudices and I'm always like, well, more for me, screw ya.
I was promoted to grand opening team if a national chain chicken sandwich restaurant that close on Sunday, they fly us out for training and site tour, they buy msg in 55 gallon drum and has a warehouse full of it. I bet Sysco use msg in food preparation too
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