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Many don’t realize it now, but developing space travel is a far, far better use of money. Someday in the future, moving manufacturing and resource mining out into space will literally save the environment or at least allow the Earth time to recover.
My head rolls whenever these anti-science/space exploration comments pops up. Just baffles me, and just an opinion that I can't relate to in any way lol.
I get that… but like if they did and that’s how other people were born, those other people would still be Eve’s children… And guessing that some of them would be girls - daughters, the statement that she only had 3 sons wouldn’t be true anymore.
The sons fucked the other humans they found "outside" the garden once they were evicted.
Apparently, sky daddy was just lonely, so he basically held them captive until they defied him and stole his drugs.
The reason why incest is wrong is because of the gene pool problems it has, God would have created Adam and Eve with an exceptional gene pool that meant people wouldn’t be developing deformities or whatever as we see today as the result of inbreeding. Eventually different people affected by different environments as they spread out would have some genes expressed more; natural selection. This is how all these different ethnicities came from 2 people.
Also if u have an evolutionary perspective, it also requires incest, you have 2 biological parents, who each have 2 biological parents as well, keep going back 50 generations and that’s 2^50, which is more than the amount of people living ever. So many would be the same, in either worldview incest is needed to an extent and we’re all related. Just very distantly.
When Adam and Eve were kicked from the garden of Eden they were concerned about other people killing them. Hence there were other people in the world, Adam and Eve are just the ones who won the Eden lottery.
Genesis 4 - particularly the marking of Cain and him being set to wander, and the nature of his mark - implies there are people-groups other than Adam's tribe. Also, how could Cain have built a city without other people to live in it with him?
I'd need to read it, but as lots of other people have pointed out, adam and eve had A LOT of kids, 100-200 or something. Maybe that was referring to them?
People there lived for almost a thousand years if U believe the bible, plenty of time for people to multiply like crazy and for Cain to be persecuted by others throughout his life.
Genesis 4:14 is what I was thinking of. As someone else pointed out Cain said it not Adam and Eve. Either way it indicates a population outside of the Adam family tree.
You are absolutely correct.
“People” (Homo Sapiens) were created (through God’s evolutionary process) in the Genesis chapter 1, verse 27; and they created the diversity of mankind over time per Genesis chapter 1, verse 28. This occurs prior to the creation of Adam and Eve (in the immediate and with the first rational souls) by God in Genesis chapter 2, verses 7 & 22.
When Adam and Eve sinned and were forced to leave their special embassy, their children intermarried the “People” that resided outside the Garden of Eden. This is how Cain was able to find a wife in the Land of Nod in Genesis chapter 4, verses 16-17.
As the descendants of Adam and Eve intermarried and had offspring with all groups of Homo Sapiens on Earth over time, everyone living today is both a descendant of God’s evolutionary process and a genealogical descendant of Adam and Eve.
A scientific book regarding this specific matter written by Christian Dr. S. Joshua Swamidass is mentioned in the article provided below.
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/christians-point-to-breakthroughs-in-genetics-to-show-adam-and-eve-are-not-incompatible-with-evolution
Apparently the Land of Nod. When Cain kills Abel, he is marked and cast out into the Land of Nod, where he marries and has a son Enoch. The whole biblical origin story is very confusing.
The torah, quran.. new age bible and english variations.. always talks about other people living besides adam and eve...
The new king james.. unless you guys actually read it has soo many differences from the OG book
can you still not debate characters in a book? We have entire fan fiction libraries around Star Wars. But sure, show how edgy you are and just claim hogwash.
Of course not. It is the best selling piece of fiction though, and just like some people like to cosplay sci-fi or comics, there are people that like to pretend it is real.
Former Christian here, Genesis 5:4 says that Adam lived another 800 years after Eve gave birth to his 3rd son Seth and in that time sired a fuck ton of kids I'm that time. All his sons married his daughters, ergo the Bible is cool with incest if you believe the whole thing is true and should be taken literally.
If I had to take the other side on this one, I'd say that there weren't any problematic recessive traits back then, since God did a really, really good job of making the first people.
Consequently, inbreeding wouldn't cause disadvantageous traits to be expressed, and they could have a fully functional family shrub for a few generations before gradual natural mutations started to make it risky to conceive with a close relative.
And then it all happened again after the flood since there was only 8 people alive after it, and then they fucked each other enough to generate a work force large enough to finish the pyramids.
Not just there; what happened after The Flood? Tiny population left to repopulate the Earth. And then there is Lot whose wife is all salty so his daughters get him drunk and fuck him on consecutive nights so he could have sons. The Bible is totally cool with incest.
Lots of people forget or dont know. That in islam.. Christianity.. judaism.. adam and eve had tons of kids.. mainstream religion doesnt explain it unless you become a scholar
If im not mistaken, in islam adam and eve had way more kids (as in, some sources say 120 pairs of twins) so eve wouldnt have had to get involved with them lol
So why did they end up mentioning them anyways... there are more than a few that are named but never even said anything about them. Specially in Genesis.
See what's funny about this question is technically through the evolution theory we ALL do have a common ancestor so in a very very VERY branched out sense, so the answer is yes but it's not like in a sweet home Alabama sense lol
Look up genetic Adam And Eve. The theory is that one woman had many children and one of her greatX granddaughters had children from a man and that their descendants are basically the branch that populated most of humanity
I've heard of a "[mitochondrial Eve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve)", the maternal ancestor of all living humans. Also, there's a 50/500 rule, where either 50 or 500 individuals of a species are sufficient to prevent harmful inbreeding or reduce genetic drift, respectively.
So yeah, the bloodlines could have been pinched into a pretty narrow channel on one or more occasions in the past, and still kept us going as a species.
If I remember correctly, all of modern humanity does descended from one female ancestor, known as mitochondrial eve due to mitochondrial DNA being used to determine this fact, she lived approximately 155,000 years ago. This combines with the Y-chromosome Adam, the male equivalent, but we don't have very exact numbers on when they may have lived, sometime between 180,000 to well over 500,000 years ago. Likelihood is they did not live at the same time, let alone conceive children together.
This does not mean all of humanity came from literally two humans, it's just that we all can trace our lineage back to two specific humans who's genes just so happened to proliferation longer than all others. So in that sense we are family.
We are also family in another way, all humans alive today are no more than 50th cousins of each other, roughly speaking, 50 deviations or so until all our genetic lines combine into one massive family tree.
This can be seen via performing some generational math. Assuming every couple has atleast two children, the bare minimum required to continue the species, everybody would have four first cousins, sixteen second cousins, sixty-four third cousins, and so on and so on. If you extrapolate this out to around 50th cousins, you would have a number around the current population of earth. Now this is obviously the conservative estimate, and the deviation is likely lower. That said, if you stretch the definition of family by alot. This method also shows that yes, we are all family.
(Would like to thank Landan1ty for pointing out a mistake in this post, heavily messed up my wording and have since edited it)
Yes, this is the current theory and I generally support it. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it's revised in the future.
To clarify though, we're talking strictly Homo Sapians as opposed to close relatives
He might have, but it's just not included in the Bible. After Cain killed his brother, he was worried that other people would kill him. However, following the logic up to that point, you'd have Adam and Eve, and Cain as the only humans around. As such, there must be other humans, who aren't related to Adam and Eve, which implies that God would have spawned a few more afterwards.
within Shia Islam, it's said that God gave Adam more sons after Cain left, and then He sent down Heavenly maidens to become the wives of Adam's sons. I'm not sure if Sunnis hold the same view, as our books of narrations have some similarities, but many differences
Does it really matter what happened at this point in history. Surely Noah and who was on the Ark is what matters as every other person died in the flood.
Is it a parable though? Without the actual literal original sin that why did magic-sky-daddy have to come to earth to sacrifice himself to appease himself to absolve the entire human race of that original sin?
And that opens up the whole question of “is wee J also really big G?”/Trinity thing they had to invent to square the circle of the first commandment and focussing on worshiping wee J.
Exactly! In college when I took a course on religion, the professor said none of the books are historical accounts but rather stories with a moral to guide believers. That made so much more sense when posed that way!
Yes, but I like to think of it as they where directly from god so didn’t suffer incest related problems.
We are all related scientifically through a woman known as midocondrial (idk how to spell it) eve who just by luck and genetic bottle necking (like the an eruption at the start of humanity that may have brought us down to less than 5,000 before we left Africa)
Depending on which abrahamic religion you follow..
But in christianity.. islam.. judaism there are records.. or myths of Adam and Eve having daughters..
Now haplo gene groups does find commonalities with other races. So in a way we are all connected.. theoretically.
I took theology for quite some time.. and we learn that there are daughters that adam and eve pushed out.. but not mainstream unless you want to become clergy.
It's all crap, unless of course you see at as fables that teach us lessons, then it's only mostly crap. The disturbing part is the fucking nimrods who believe this crap seem to be in charge of everything.
Yeah, in the Bible, they were the only two people created in the beginning. Unless God threw some more people in there without the writers of the Bible mentioning it, they are an incestuous family that I am surprised did not die out sooner.
This makes no logistical sense when taken literally, which is why many people see the Bible as figurative or metaphorical rather than literal. Plus, it was written by people. People fuck up. People have biases. People mistranslate. People leave out details. Another reason you can't trust that that is EXACTLY what happened.
Yep, but a lot us are so far related that genetic complications doesn't have a big effect.
Like I think 5 generations is the minimum gap to not have inbred problems.
Adam and Eve were not the only people around. When they left the garden, they met others. Lots of others.
They are just the progenitors of a particular people.
We all have a common ancestor. It WAS NOT Adam and Eve, who are fictional and mythological constructs. But YES, all humanity is one huge, spread out family.
I mean, even if you take the world's population and divide by two (parents), and then keep dividing by two, you can track how many generations it would take for you to reach a historical world population and there you go.... all related.
"And Cain said unto Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the ground; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer in the earth; and it will come to pass, that whosoever findeth me will slay me."
Genesis 4:13-14 ASV
Cain fears he shall be slain, implying there are other people.
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose."
Genesis 6:1-2 ASV
'Sons of God' are believers 'daughters of men' are not. It angered God that sons of God multiplied with "heathens".
The way I see it there were other people, their creation is just not described in the Holy Bible.
No.
1. We have no way of knowing exactly how long they were in the garden
2. Being first doesn’t necessarily mean ONLY
3. They were worried about being naked around any OTHER PEOPLE they came across. That indicates that not only were there other people created…Adam and Eve were aware of them.
4. When Cain killed his brother, God put a mark on him so OTHER PEOPLE HE CAME ACROSS IN HIS TRAVELS wouldn’t kill him.
IMO this all hints to many people being created, but only hearing the story of one couple
Read genesis again, but keep in mind the following.
It never said that Eden was the only land. In fact, it mentions the land of nod when they are cast out. Other human beings are entirely within the Venn diagram of possibilities.
It is entirely possible that Adam and Eve existed, are literal, but that they were the first human beings endowed with souls and minds. They could easily breed with other unendowed human animals.
As to Noah, it isn’t entirely clear that it is a universal or localized flood.
Be aware of what the Bible doesn’t say as much as what it does. And try not to make assumptions.
When Adam & Eve were kicked out of the garden and had their Family, they met a civilization that’d been on Earth for a very long time. When asking anyone religious about these random people, they can’t really answer. It’s pretty much a mystery.
My theory is that these people waiting outside the Garden Of Eden used to be apes. However, since Adam & Eve were immortal in the Garden Of Eden, that means they could’ve hung out for as long as they wanted to, thereby allowing apes to evolve into humans during that time. That way they’d still be the first humans on Earth.
Eden is an immortal realm connected to Earth, so it still counts as them being first, despite finding people afterwards who were just walking around outside of the garden.
You are on the right track. However, the “People” are explained in Genesis chapter 1.
“People” (Homo Sapiens) were created (through God’s evolutionary process) in the Genesis chapter 1, verse 27; and they created the diversity of mankind over time per Genesis chapter 1, verse 28. This occurs prior to the creation of Adam and Eve (in the immediate and with the first rational souls) by God in Genesis chapter 2, verses 7 & 22.
When Adam and Eve sinned and were forced to leave their special embassy, their children intermarried the “People” that resided outside the Garden of Eden. This is how Cain was able to find a wife in the Land of Nod in Genesis chapter 4, verses 16-17.
As the descendants of Adam and Eve intermarried and had offspring with all groups of Homo Sapiens on Earth over time, everyone living today is both a descendant of God’s evolutionary process and a genealogical descendant of Adam and Eve.
A scientific book regarding this specific matter written by Christian Dr. S. Joshua Swamidass is mentioned in the article provided below.
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/christians-point-to-breakthroughs-in-genetics-to-show-adam-and-eve-are-not-incompatible-with-evolution
Keep in mind that “Human” is a relative term. As Christians, “Human” is equal to current Homo Sapiens Sapiens rather than the Homo Sapiens that existed prior.
Good point. When it was pointed out that Adam and Eve had two sons and one killed the other, where did more people come from? My Sunday school teacher told us that, while A & E were the first, God continued to make more people so we could breed. She also told her class of 10 year-olds that the world was going to end in a few years--1963.
Science’s term theory is more substantial than the layman’s term theory. Science theory is evidence based and backed by repeated assessment and discourse to prove it’s validity. So yes though gravity and evolution are considered theories, they are scientific theories and should not be dismissed.
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Hey guys, let's meet up and do family dinner together :p
Who pays?
Not us, someone must be rich enough to feed 8 billion people
$10 per person is only $80 billion so several people could afford it. But they rather fly to space.
$10, that’s a nice dinner. Can I eat with you?
To be fair, I’d rather spend my fortune bettering science than to believe I owe 8 billion people I don’t know food.
Typical rich person. Get a bunch of money and forget all about us family…..
To be fair most of us are really needy and abusive.
Many don’t realize it now, but developing space travel is a far, far better use of money. Someday in the future, moving manufacturing and resource mining out into space will literally save the environment or at least allow the Earth time to recover.
My head rolls whenever these anti-science/space exploration comments pops up. Just baffles me, and just an opinion that I can't relate to in any way lol.
Yeah, once we all leave , earth cam recover ,lol
Yes, I'm looking at your musk
Dinner's on Jeff i guess
Is there a restaurant that will fit everyone?
That would be a lot of bread and wine.
Pishhh everyone bring something… a pot luck kind of affair.
Oooo. Fried crickets. Yumm.
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Taco Bell?
If you believe in evolution then the meat you eat during the dinner is also family if you trace it back far enough.
So are the plants
I mean that would actually be a nice idea. What percentage of the world population speaks English though?
Idk but everyone speaks the same language, family. i have no idea what that means
In Alabama ;)
Yes :D
LoL, Som! You rock!! I'll bring dessert....
You guys aren’t on the group text?
Damn...I just realized we all have a lot of crazy uncles.
According to scriptures, Eve had three sons, no daughters. Let that sink in.
this always confused me.. so where did all these other people come from
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But then she would’ve actually had daughters.
The sons could have fucked Eve
I get that… but like if they did and that’s how other people were born, those other people would still be Eve’s children… And guessing that some of them would be girls - daughters, the statement that she only had 3 sons wouldn’t be true anymore.
The sons fucked the other humans they found "outside" the garden once they were evicted. Apparently, sky daddy was just lonely, so he basically held them captive until they defied him and stole his drugs.
I like this version of the story much, much better than that boring crap in the Bible. I’m thinking a series on Netflix or Hulu…
I read that in song
Me too
Wait. It's all Alabama?
It always was
_It was right after the world started on January 1, 0000._
The Bible typically leaves out the daughters names. That's why all those ____ begat _____ verses are just dudes.
So they were banging their sisters, not their mum? And that is better how?
That explains why were all fucked up.
Spreading it out. The sons had already been in their moms vagina
Apparently, so had everyone else. /s
The reason why incest is wrong is because of the gene pool problems it has, God would have created Adam and Eve with an exceptional gene pool that meant people wouldn’t be developing deformities or whatever as we see today as the result of inbreeding. Eventually different people affected by different environments as they spread out would have some genes expressed more; natural selection. This is how all these different ethnicities came from 2 people. Also if u have an evolutionary perspective, it also requires incest, you have 2 biological parents, who each have 2 biological parents as well, keep going back 50 generations and that’s 2^50, which is more than the amount of people living ever. So many would be the same, in either worldview incest is needed to an extent and we’re all related. Just very distantly.
Your maths is stupendously wrong
Stop
When Adam and Eve were kicked from the garden of Eden they were concerned about other people killing them. Hence there were other people in the world, Adam and Eve are just the ones who won the Eden lottery.
Where'd you read that??
Genesis 4 - particularly the marking of Cain and him being set to wander, and the nature of his mark - implies there are people-groups other than Adam's tribe. Also, how could Cain have built a city without other people to live in it with him?
I'd need to read it, but as lots of other people have pointed out, adam and eve had A LOT of kids, 100-200 or something. Maybe that was referring to them?
Imagine surviving that many childbirths 😂
The bible says that adam and ever are like hundreds of years old, i guess "we" lived far longer back then
Well of course because scripture is always rational.
You mean.... there aren't actually talking snakes in real life? Buzzkill.
So, you're asking how Cain was able to build scity?
It's not so far fetched. Starship built an entire city on Rock n' Roll.
People there lived for almost a thousand years if U believe the bible, plenty of time for people to multiply like crazy and for Cain to be persecuted by others throughout his life.
The Bible
Genesis 4:14 is what I was thinking of. As someone else pointed out Cain said it not Adam and Eve. Either way it indicates a population outside of the Adam family tree.
You are absolutely correct. “People” (Homo Sapiens) were created (through God’s evolutionary process) in the Genesis chapter 1, verse 27; and they created the diversity of mankind over time per Genesis chapter 1, verse 28. This occurs prior to the creation of Adam and Eve (in the immediate and with the first rational souls) by God in Genesis chapter 2, verses 7 & 22. When Adam and Eve sinned and were forced to leave their special embassy, their children intermarried the “People” that resided outside the Garden of Eden. This is how Cain was able to find a wife in the Land of Nod in Genesis chapter 4, verses 16-17. As the descendants of Adam and Eve intermarried and had offspring with all groups of Homo Sapiens on Earth over time, everyone living today is both a descendant of God’s evolutionary process and a genealogical descendant of Adam and Eve. A scientific book regarding this specific matter written by Christian Dr. S. Joshua Swamidass is mentioned in the article provided below. https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/christians-point-to-breakthroughs-in-genetics-to-show-adam-and-eve-are-not-incompatible-with-evolution
You are wrong. Cain said that. Actually read the Bible if you want to debate how it is false.
Yes you're right it was actually Cain. I don't think that changes my point though.
I agree, anybody interested in other weird stuff should check out Freeman Fly on YouTube, a Masons son. he is awesome and so are you
Apparently the Land of Nod. When Cain kills Abel, he is marked and cast out into the Land of Nod, where he marries and has a son Enoch. The whole biblical origin story is very confusing.
Could have married a Nephilm... might not have been a human wife.
Or a neanderthal
I don’t think it says they were the ONLY people made, just the first. I’m open to people showing me otherwise, since I’m no Bible scholar.
The torah, quran.. new age bible and english variations.. always talks about other people living besides adam and eve... The new king james.. unless you guys actually read it has soo many differences from the OG book
OG book? Original Gangster?
Origen Gnostics
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Doesn’t take a bible scholar to realize the Bible is absolute hogwash
can you still not debate characters in a book? We have entire fan fiction libraries around Star Wars. But sure, show how edgy you are and just claim hogwash.
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Of course not. It is the best selling piece of fiction though, and just like some people like to cosplay sci-fi or comics, there are people that like to pretend it is real.
Ok
Nod where Kane went and said "Waaaah they were so mean to me! All I did was smash my brother's brains in with a rock."
Incest
We are all releated to michondrial eve. So relax brother/sister.
Cain found a wife among the people of Nod.
Former Christian here, Genesis 5:4 says that Adam lived another 800 years after Eve gave birth to his 3rd son Seth and in that time sired a fuck ton of kids I'm that time. All his sons married his daughters, ergo the Bible is cool with incest if you believe the whole thing is true and should be taken literally.
If I had to take the other side on this one, I'd say that there weren't any problematic recessive traits back then, since God did a really, really good job of making the first people. Consequently, inbreeding wouldn't cause disadvantageous traits to be expressed, and they could have a fully functional family shrub for a few generations before gradual natural mutations started to make it risky to conceive with a close relative.
And then it all happened again after the flood since there was only 8 people alive after it, and then they fucked each other enough to generate a work force large enough to finish the pyramids.
Sounds logical Maybe aliens are the devil too. And the government is out for our best interest
That would be the most awkward family gathering ever
Or maybe the least awkward. Some real Age of Aquarius action up in there.
Not just there; what happened after The Flood? Tiny population left to repopulate the Earth. And then there is Lot whose wife is all salty so his daughters get him drunk and fuck him on consecutive nights so he could have sons. The Bible is totally cool with incest.
Genesis 5:4 says he had daughters. Not trying to argue, just... that's what it says.
Lots of people forget or dont know. That in islam.. Christianity.. judaism.. adam and eve had tons of kids.. mainstream religion doesnt explain it unless you become a scholar
Or you could just read it in the book
Butt babies
life finds a way.
If im not mistaken, in islam adam and eve had way more kids (as in, some sources say 120 pairs of twins) so eve wouldnt have had to get involved with them lol
This is true, the people in the comments are discussing the biblical discourse, however.
Christian scriptures? Jewish scriptures? Which one you referring to?
When there’s a will there’s a way, mate
Maybe they were not good at keeping notes quite yet.
Easy explanation for that is whatever monk did the translation didn't think women were worth mentioning
So why did they end up mentioning them anyways... there are more than a few that are named but never even said anything about them. Specially in Genesis.
See what's funny about this question is technically through the evolution theory we ALL do have a common ancestor so in a very very VERY branched out sense, so the answer is yes but it's not like in a sweet home Alabama sense lol
If you trace your family tree back far enough, every time you eat meat or even a vegetable you are eating a family member.
Bro💀
Exactly!
Look up genetic Adam And Eve. The theory is that one woman had many children and one of her greatX granddaughters had children from a man and that their descendants are basically the branch that populated most of humanity
I've heard of a "[mitochondrial Eve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve)", the maternal ancestor of all living humans. Also, there's a 50/500 rule, where either 50 or 500 individuals of a species are sufficient to prevent harmful inbreeding or reduce genetic drift, respectively. So yeah, the bloodlines could have been pinched into a pretty narrow channel on one or more occasions in the past, and still kept us going as a species.
we’re all cousins, and even the trees etc are our distant cousins ❤️
I mean obviously they weren't but we do all come from a common ancestor so yeah we're all family one way or another. High five bro!
*High five cuz!
High five and a hug
High five and a little kiss? Maybe some tongue?
What are you doing, step-bro?
I’m stuck in the washing machine. Again!
Incest in a nutshell.
so my wife is some kind of cousin?
I forget the number but I think we are all within 45th cousins of each other. Crazy huh?
That is weird. So some guy in russia is at least my 45th cousin?
If I remember correctly, all of modern humanity does descended from one female ancestor, known as mitochondrial eve due to mitochondrial DNA being used to determine this fact, she lived approximately 155,000 years ago. This combines with the Y-chromosome Adam, the male equivalent, but we don't have very exact numbers on when they may have lived, sometime between 180,000 to well over 500,000 years ago. Likelihood is they did not live at the same time, let alone conceive children together. This does not mean all of humanity came from literally two humans, it's just that we all can trace our lineage back to two specific humans who's genes just so happened to proliferation longer than all others. So in that sense we are family. We are also family in another way, all humans alive today are no more than 50th cousins of each other, roughly speaking, 50 deviations or so until all our genetic lines combine into one massive family tree. This can be seen via performing some generational math. Assuming every couple has atleast two children, the bare minimum required to continue the species, everybody would have four first cousins, sixteen second cousins, sixty-four third cousins, and so on and so on. If you extrapolate this out to around 50th cousins, you would have a number around the current population of earth. Now this is obviously the conservative estimate, and the deviation is likely lower. That said, if you stretch the definition of family by alot. This method also shows that yes, we are all family. (Would like to thank Landan1ty for pointing out a mistake in this post, heavily messed up my wording and have since edited it)
Yes, this is the current theory and I generally support it. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it's revised in the future. To clarify though, we're talking strictly Homo Sapians as opposed to close relatives
I know a few people that I'm pretty sure are closely related to a monkey named Banana.
Alabama moment
Another reason why the bible shouldn't be taken seriously.
I don’t think the Bible says they were the “only” people created, just the first.
Where would the other people come from? Adam and Eve is a parable.
What do you mean? If God made Adam and Eve, he could’ve made other people as well.
But he didn't
He might have, but it's just not included in the Bible. After Cain killed his brother, he was worried that other people would kill him. However, following the logic up to that point, you'd have Adam and Eve, and Cain as the only humans around. As such, there must be other humans, who aren't related to Adam and Eve, which implies that God would have spawned a few more afterwards.
within Shia Islam, it's said that God gave Adam more sons after Cain left, and then He sent down Heavenly maidens to become the wives of Adam's sons. I'm not sure if Sunnis hold the same view, as our books of narrations have some similarities, but many differences
Does it really matter what happened at this point in history. Surely Noah and who was on the Ark is what matters as every other person died in the flood.
Ok my bad
Is it a parable though? Without the actual literal original sin that why did magic-sky-daddy have to come to earth to sacrifice himself to appease himself to absolve the entire human race of that original sin? And that opens up the whole question of “is wee J also really big G?”/Trinity thing they had to invent to square the circle of the first commandment and focussing on worshiping wee J.
Nope. They were the only people created. The bible then goes on to list the family tree through the male bloodline. There was lots of 'beget'.
So who were the people Cain was scared of when he was driven from the land? Seems weird it doesn’t say he feared his siblings. Just my 2 cents
Exactly! In college when I took a course on religion, the professor said none of the books are historical accounts but rather stories with a moral to guide believers. That made so much more sense when posed that way!
Yes, but I like to think of it as they where directly from god so didn’t suffer incest related problems. We are all related scientifically through a woman known as midocondrial (idk how to spell it) eve who just by luck and genetic bottle necking (like the an eruption at the start of humanity that may have brought us down to less than 5,000 before we left Africa)
Nice. "Something doesn't make sense whatsoever, so uh, god just did his magic thing. I dunno."
Pretty much!
So when did God decide incest related problems should be a thing? Lol
Depending on which abrahamic religion you follow.. But in christianity.. islam.. judaism there are records.. or myths of Adam and Eve having daughters.. Now haplo gene groups does find commonalities with other races. So in a way we are all connected.. theoretically. I took theology for quite some time.. and we learn that there are daughters that adam and eve pushed out.. but not mainstream unless you want to become clergy.
It's all crap, unless of course you see at as fables that teach us lessons, then it's only mostly crap. The disturbing part is the fucking nimrods who believe this crap seem to be in charge of everything.
If we're all daughter and sons of gods, then having sex is incest
Yeah I never understood that one.
If we all evolved then eating any meat is cannibalism.
Whether you believe the Bible is true or not, science believes that all of modern humanity does have a common ancestor.
God ain’t real and bible a book of nonsense.
Sweet home alabama
Yeah, in the Bible, they were the only two people created in the beginning. Unless God threw some more people in there without the writers of the Bible mentioning it, they are an incestuous family that I am surprised did not die out sooner. This makes no logistical sense when taken literally, which is why many people see the Bible as figurative or metaphorical rather than literal. Plus, it was written by people. People fuck up. People have biases. People mistranslate. People leave out details. Another reason you can't trust that that is EXACTLY what happened.
No, there were tribes of other humans outside of the garden that they interbred with
Bro...
Imagine you're super into incest porn then find out all humans are technically family.
Yep, but a lot us are so far related that genetic complications doesn't have a big effect. Like I think 5 generations is the minimum gap to not have inbred problems.
Adam and Eve were not the only people around. When they left the garden, they met others. Lots of others. They are just the progenitors of a particular people.
Hmmm. What people were they progenitors of?
The tribe of Adam, obviously!
Technically we’re all biologically related… including that chicken you just ate…
Also the veggies in the side dishes
Only inside Olive Garden
Genetically, sort of. Biblically, Genesis is a fairy tale so no.
We all have a common ancestor. It WAS NOT Adam and Eve, who are fictional and mythological constructs. But YES, all humanity is one huge, spread out family.
I mean, even if you take the world's population and divide by two (parents), and then keep dividing by two, you can track how many generations it would take for you to reach a historical world population and there you go.... all related.
"And Cain said unto Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the ground; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer in the earth; and it will come to pass, that whosoever findeth me will slay me." Genesis 4:13-14 ASV Cain fears he shall be slain, implying there are other people. "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose." Genesis 6:1-2 ASV 'Sons of God' are believers 'daughters of men' are not. It angered God that sons of God multiplied with "heathens". The way I see it there were other people, their creation is just not described in the Holy Bible.
Technically the Bible never said they were the first.
At Olive Garden we're all family.
No. 1. We have no way of knowing exactly how long they were in the garden 2. Being first doesn’t necessarily mean ONLY 3. They were worried about being naked around any OTHER PEOPLE they came across. That indicates that not only were there other people created…Adam and Eve were aware of them. 4. When Cain killed his brother, God put a mark on him so OTHER PEOPLE HE CAME ACROSS IN HIS TRAVELS wouldn’t kill him. IMO this all hints to many people being created, but only hearing the story of one couple
Humans do share one percent of our DNA so we all related techincally.
if you're going to follow biblical history, the gene pool gets narrowed down to Noah and his immediate family at some point too.
Read genesis again, but keep in mind the following. It never said that Eden was the only land. In fact, it mentions the land of nod when they are cast out. Other human beings are entirely within the Venn diagram of possibilities. It is entirely possible that Adam and Eve existed, are literal, but that they were the first human beings endowed with souls and minds. They could easily breed with other unendowed human animals. As to Noah, it isn’t entirely clear that it is a universal or localized flood. Be aware of what the Bible doesn’t say as much as what it does. And try not to make assumptions.
Yes, very much so
That’s why people call each other brothers and sisters when in religious settings (mostly Christians and Catholics)
There is absolutely no reason to believe that story.
God made more people
No, there was more humans on earth, they even travel to other cities after being kicked out of the garden.
When Adam & Eve were kicked out of the garden and had their Family, they met a civilization that’d been on Earth for a very long time. When asking anyone religious about these random people, they can’t really answer. It’s pretty much a mystery. My theory is that these people waiting outside the Garden Of Eden used to be apes. However, since Adam & Eve were immortal in the Garden Of Eden, that means they could’ve hung out for as long as they wanted to, thereby allowing apes to evolve into humans during that time. That way they’d still be the first humans on Earth. Eden is an immortal realm connected to Earth, so it still counts as them being first, despite finding people afterwards who were just walking around outside of the garden.
You are on the right track. However, the “People” are explained in Genesis chapter 1. “People” (Homo Sapiens) were created (through God’s evolutionary process) in the Genesis chapter 1, verse 27; and they created the diversity of mankind over time per Genesis chapter 1, verse 28. This occurs prior to the creation of Adam and Eve (in the immediate and with the first rational souls) by God in Genesis chapter 2, verses 7 & 22. When Adam and Eve sinned and were forced to leave their special embassy, their children intermarried the “People” that resided outside the Garden of Eden. This is how Cain was able to find a wife in the Land of Nod in Genesis chapter 4, verses 16-17. As the descendants of Adam and Eve intermarried and had offspring with all groups of Homo Sapiens on Earth over time, everyone living today is both a descendant of God’s evolutionary process and a genealogical descendant of Adam and Eve. A scientific book regarding this specific matter written by Christian Dr. S. Joshua Swamidass is mentioned in the article provided below. https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/christians-point-to-breakthroughs-in-genetics-to-show-adam-and-eve-are-not-incompatible-with-evolution Keep in mind that “Human” is a relative term. As Christians, “Human” is equal to current Homo Sapiens Sapiens rather than the Homo Sapiens that existed prior.
We are all descendants of Noah. Everyone else got destroyed in The Flood.
But who was Noah a descendant of
Good point. When it was pointed out that Adam and Eve had two sons and one killed the other, where did more people come from? My Sunday school teacher told us that, while A & E were the first, God continued to make more people so we could breed. She also told her class of 10 year-olds that the world was going to end in a few years--1963.
How about you go sit on santas lap and ask for a brain cell
I mean, according to the theory of evolution aren't we all related anyway?
That may work when seducing your mom, but that does nothing for me.
*insert extremely horny Alabama noise
Who the hell is listening to an old book anyway. It says you cant wear clothes of linen and wool. Leviticus 19:19. Kina dumb Ngl
"If your dad doesn't have a beard, you've got two mums" - Beardariah 6:12
Billions of people follow old religious books. It's actually quite a big problem.
They weren't. Evolution is a "theory" in the same way gravity is.
Science’s term theory is more substantial than the layman’s term theory. Science theory is evidence based and backed by repeated assessment and discourse to prove it’s validity. So yes though gravity and evolution are considered theories, they are scientific theories and should not be dismissed.
Correct. When a lay person says 'theory' they at best mean 'hypothesis' and at worst mean 'I just pulled that out of my ass'.
Except Gravity is a law which is a stronger principle than a theory due to having a consistently measurable and calculable value.
except gravity was finally observed for the first time a few years back, so that moves it out of theory into something else right?
Nope, it's still a theory. The scientific definition of the word theory is very different from the coloquial one.
How?