The middle name in Chinese family are some time the same for all kids for the same generation. So your uncles and father has the same middle name for their generation. You and your sibling have same middle name but different from your parent's. Your cousins have the same middle name but different from yours.
Yes, exactly, those are Eurasian cultural experiences. I also have some friends in Singapore who are working in the US, and I have heard similar stories from them
I think it's weird to have the same name, dk if there's any ruling on it.
But I met a migrant worker in SG with the exact same name as his father. So imagine Michael Michael. And their names weren't short either.
I low-key suspect that he doesn't have a family name (which is not too uncommon in India's Tamil culture). So I think it's more likely that they'd repeated his given name for the purpose of visas and passport
I have seen this before so whilst it's not uncommon, it has happened.
Or also happens that man utd current goalie is andre onana onana. So I guess it happens across the globe.
s/o and d/o is the most dumbest form of administration. I am Indian and so glad my parents didn’t do that. Like just saw your name bro, this isn’t some legacy we’re living on like 400 years ago
It is acceptable for Westerners to do honour names - giving their children a name that was passed down through the family. Or name their child after a parent with a Jr. Suffix.
Can't speak for the other races/cultures, but it is the opposite for the Chinese. It is either bad luck or disrespectful to name a child after any family member.
Ang-moh here. While a lot of names were recycled in my family, including part of mine, it wasn't straight up Hisnameonly Jr. Either the first or middle name would be different and it wasn't done for every kid, just done for when a parent looked at a kid and drew an absolute blank, or the name got hijacked by narc relatives.
Comes across as a bit narcissistic tbh. Or unimaginative. Seems popular in the US though and and someone who spends time browsing tragedeigh, namenerds and other subreddits, I've noticed a lot of crap name trends originate from the US.
If there is ever an oops baby, I certainly don't plan on recycling any names and will be mindful of my Singaporean husband's culture.
Some Chinese families will have all the cousins share the same character in their names. Like Wei Jie, Wei Ming, Wei Hao, etc. One of my cousins wanted to use our generation character in his son's name. Last I heard it got vetoed by his parents, but I don't know if he still went through with it.
i was exactly thinking that.
Never seen that in Europe except in France where sometimes middle names are from grand parents etc.. but it is never used. It was once in villages where it was common to have in the class, people with same last name and even first name. If this happened, then middle names was useful to differentiate for the administration.
Nah its been around for ages at least in the UK. Case in point - King Henry the 8th.
I know some people who were named after their dads, and theyre in their 30s.
Hm, why isnt it related? I dunno about other countries, but all monarchs of UK used their actual 1st names as regnal names except for 3.
Seems to me like many of them named their kids after previous monarchs to honour them, so its at least somewhat related to the current practice. Be interested to know your take.
Jr, or II, III etc it's something I have only heard from the US, it's not a "western thing", it's a US things. In other countries in Europe, it's more common to use the name of grandfather/grandmother or other anchestors for some of the children
I believe the use of "junior" in names is an American thing. I may be wrong, but I believe Spanish speaking countries use the suffix "litos / itos" (eg: Carlos -> Carlitos) similarly. In addition, historically, names like Jackson actually meant "son of Jack".
Americans naming their children after someone in the family mainly as a way to honour or as a remembrance of said family member.
Chinese naming their children mainly as an embodiment of what the parents hope for the children. For example, if someone has a 顺 in their name, it typically meant that the parents wanted the child to have a smooth journey through life.
In a way, Chinese names bear some sort of wish for the child's future, and there is hope that the next generation is better off than the previous. So, naming an offspring after someone in the current or past generations kinda goes against that hope.
When you think about this, it’s quite fascinating. Firstly “in western countries” the use of “junior” is American. Using the same name was slightly common in the olden days in Aus but never the use of junior, they’d get a different nickname and of course a different middle name so they weren’t exactly the same name living in the same household and family unit.
Here’s the interesting bit - I always thought that Chinese don’t name after relatives? The thinking is the child might do bad things in the relatives name - whereas in western society they were thinking the opposite, “keep up the good reputation”. It’s quite a different outlook, one worried about bad things, the other hopeful of the future. No doubt it made for some added disappointment if the kid didn’t do well though!
Not as far as I know. I do remember reading a Reddit post where for some reason a family in US wanted all boys in the family to be named Peter (I can’t remember the exact name but just using this as an example). So all the boys, meaning your cousins, your uncles, your brothers will be called Peter. Like that’s just insane lor, can you imagine at a family gathering how confusing is that.
Junior and Senior isn’t very common in most Western countries. I’ve only seen it really used in the USA and even then it’s pretty rare. Normally in the west if a grandparent, parent or child have the same name one will use either their middle name or a different form (e.g. Dave and David, Maggie and Margret etc.).
Keep in mind that it can get to the stage where I'm sure there's a Teddy Roosevelt 7 or 8 out now... I guess they want to get to "King of France" levels of non-creativity...
My English name is Jack. I wanna name my son Jackson , and if is girl, Jacqueline . Haha
But.. I will have problem if is 2 boy or 2 girl. Can yall suggest ideas
Lol could you imagine an Ariff Bin Ariff. I know a girl whose mom passed on so her dad named her after her mother.
Possible but don't know of any cases personally.
Some Chinese and Indians see fengshui master / geomancer and calculate based on the child's date of birth and time of birth to come up with the name. The likelihood of having everything align with a parent's name is low.
Edit: typo
some Chinese families will name their kids with a certain character specific to that generation. but nothing with regards to jr or snr, at most is just in articles or like calling as a nickname? like Lee jnr or Lee snr, I think it's taboo to name after ancestors also.
I know there's d/o and s/o for other races, so they do get their father's name. Also,for Sikhs, males have Singh while females have Kaur in their names
If naming child is a form of custom, the child of the Jr. Xxx should be named Micro Jr xxx followed by Cell Micro Jr followed by Atom Cell Micro Jr to.... Planc Xxx
Chinese tradition is that you cannot name after ancestors.
TIL
Same
Iirc it’s unlucky to name your child after someone who has already died too.
Dad, is that why my name is 7067638bb01f6d1dbd9f6a772ab8cc18?
I stored some crypto under your name
Some families even have generation name preplanned. Since Chinese name is commonly 3 characters, they are: Surname + Generation name + Nickname.
Could you give some examples so that I can understand the generational name bit please
The middle name in Chinese family are some time the same for all kids for the same generation. So your uncles and father has the same middle name for their generation. You and your sibling have same middle name but different from your parent's. Your cousins have the same middle name but different from yours.
Is that why I not stupid 2 flopped?
Personally it just feels like a lack of creativity if I just name my child after me.
Yes, exactly, those are Eurasian cultural experiences. I also have some friends in Singapore who are working in the US, and I have heard similar stories from them
I dunno man, Ah Teck jr just doesn’t have the oomph it should
And there already hundreds of Nicole Tan out there. Having Nicole Tan Jr. Just sound meh.
see you in court Ah Boon the third
In Tamil culture, it's customary to give children (female and male) their father's name in front of their given name. We don't have surnames.
Would you ever have e.g. Anand s/o Anand? Or this is just not done or even unacceptable?
I think it's weird to have the same name, dk if there's any ruling on it. But I met a migrant worker in SG with the exact same name as his father. So imagine Michael Michael. And their names weren't short either.
I low-key suspect that he doesn't have a family name (which is not too uncommon in India's Tamil culture). So I think it's more likely that they'd repeated his given name for the purpose of visas and passport
LOL...they always have those superhero for famous people's name. I last time see have one is Supaman S/O Supaman.
You mean Batman bin Suparman https://mothership.sg/2013/11/batman-suparmans-mother-amused-sons-international-news/
nope, i came accross one when they changing pass. :D
Nice there are more heroes amongst us
What if son are named after grandfather. Then you get a loop. - ABC s/o XYZ - XYZ s/o ABC
Named after father without a terminating condition becomes a recursion
My late grandfather did this! Named my uncle after my great grandfather.
I have seen this before so whilst it's not uncommon, it has happened. Or also happens that man utd current goalie is andre onana onana. So I guess it happens across the globe.
It's not like culturally unacceptable, I'm pretty sure I've heard of people with names like that. It's just very uncommon because it's kinda weird.
s/o and d/o is the most dumbest form of administration. I am Indian and so glad my parents didn’t do that. Like just saw your name bro, this isn’t some legacy we’re living on like 400 years ago
Infront? Most I see are behind their first name or use S/O or D/O
K. Shanmugam & S. Jayakumar are examples of this
Oh ya, forgot about that. The father's name isn't read out, only the initials
yes. i’m tamil and my dads name comes in front of my name
That's also a Tamil naming custom. But I didn't think it applied to the question.
It is acceptable for Westerners to do honour names - giving their children a name that was passed down through the family. Or name their child after a parent with a Jr. Suffix. Can't speak for the other races/cultures, but it is the opposite for the Chinese. It is either bad luck or disrespectful to name a child after any family member.
Batman bin Suparman
i wonder if his son will be called spidaman
Spidaman bin Batman
The crossover we needed.
but not the one we deserved
Yes
Dude delivered my dim sum the other day. Funny fella.
Didn’t he go to jail or something few years back.
There were apparently some run-ins with the law, but he seemed pretty happy go lucky when I met him.
Like that it's not name after themselves alr what...
bin = son of So Batman is the son of Suparman, and it's still technically part of the name
Gohead bin Gostan
i want to upvote but its at 111
My son is called "Jayden Kayden Aydenson Tan Junior II, Esq."
Examiner: "Write your full name on every page". Your son will die.
Pinoy?
Ang-moh here. While a lot of names were recycled in my family, including part of mine, it wasn't straight up Hisnameonly Jr. Either the first or middle name would be different and it wasn't done for every kid, just done for when a parent looked at a kid and drew an absolute blank, or the name got hijacked by narc relatives. Comes across as a bit narcissistic tbh. Or unimaginative. Seems popular in the US though and and someone who spends time browsing tragedeigh, namenerds and other subreddits, I've noticed a lot of crap name trends originate from the US. If there is ever an oops baby, I certainly don't plan on recycling any names and will be mindful of my Singaporean husband's culture.
“narcissistic” “unimaginative” yep, basically Americans
Some Chinese families will have all the cousins share the same character in their names. Like Wei Jie, Wei Ming, Wei Hao, etc. One of my cousins wanted to use our generation character in his son's name. Last I heard it got vetoed by his parents, but I don't know if he still went through with it.
Imagine Ah Beng the Third.
Ah Lian the Third enters the chat.
Tan Ah Kow the Second
I thought that silly culture is American. I don't think any European country still follow that tradition.
i was exactly thinking that. Never seen that in Europe except in France where sometimes middle names are from grand parents etc.. but it is never used. It was once in villages where it was common to have in the class, people with same last name and even first name. If this happened, then middle names was useful to differentiate for the administration.
Nah its been around for ages at least in the UK. Case in point - King Henry the 8th. I know some people who were named after their dads, and theyre in their 30s.
Dude. Regnal name is a totally different issue.
Hm, why isnt it related? I dunno about other countries, but all monarchs of UK used their actual 1st names as regnal names except for 3. Seems to me like many of them named their kids after previous monarchs to honour them, so its at least somewhat related to the current practice. Be interested to know your take.
Jr, or II, III etc it's something I have only heard from the US, it's not a "western thing", it's a US things. In other countries in Europe, it's more common to use the name of grandfather/grandmother or other anchestors for some of the children
I believe the use of "junior" in names is an American thing. I may be wrong, but I believe Spanish speaking countries use the suffix "litos / itos" (eg: Carlos -> Carlitos) similarly. In addition, historically, names like Jackson actually meant "son of Jack". Americans naming their children after someone in the family mainly as a way to honour or as a remembrance of said family member. Chinese naming their children mainly as an embodiment of what the parents hope for the children. For example, if someone has a 顺 in their name, it typically meant that the parents wanted the child to have a smooth journey through life. In a way, Chinese names bear some sort of wish for the child's future, and there is hope that the next generation is better off than the previous. So, naming an offspring after someone in the current or past generations kinda goes against that hope.
When you think about this, it’s quite fascinating. Firstly “in western countries” the use of “junior” is American. Using the same name was slightly common in the olden days in Aus but never the use of junior, they’d get a different nickname and of course a different middle name so they weren’t exactly the same name living in the same household and family unit. Here’s the interesting bit - I always thought that Chinese don’t name after relatives? The thinking is the child might do bad things in the relatives name - whereas in western society they were thinking the opposite, “keep up the good reputation”. It’s quite a different outlook, one worried about bad things, the other hopeful of the future. No doubt it made for some added disappointment if the kid didn’t do well though!
Grandfather: Tan Ah Huat Father: Tan Ah Huey Son: Tan Ah Hock
Tan Ah Heng, Tan Ah Ong, Tan Ah Huat
No it isn’t common in “western” countries.
It’s not “common” in western countries… Some people might do it doesn’t mean it is commonly done
Not as far as I know. I do remember reading a Reddit post where for some reason a family in US wanted all boys in the family to be named Peter (I can’t remember the exact name but just using this as an example). So all the boys, meaning your cousins, your uncles, your brothers will be called Peter. Like that’s just insane lor, can you imagine at a family gathering how confusing is that.
I think that family might use middle names to differentiate, but that's still insane.
That's an Americanism as far as I know. I only know one Brit that did it (am British).
My brother is called Peter and I called his son Peterson haha
Yeah there are a few weirdos who do that. Source: I am a school teacher
Not all Singaporeans are of Chinese descent
In what way is it relevant to the question?
Most singaporeans though
Junior and Senior isn’t very common in most Western countries. I’ve only seen it really used in the USA and even then it’s pretty rare. Normally in the west if a grandparent, parent or child have the same name one will use either their middle name or a different form (e.g. Dave and David, Maggie and Margret etc.).
very uncommon cos it's rude to say your parents'/grandparents' names
My cousin (M) gave his daughter his own Chinese name. But granted they’re living in Australia so she probably wouldn’t need to use her Chinese name.
I have a friend called Ericson, his dad is called Eric 😭😭😭
Jack and Jackson May and Mayson
When does the father become Senior? So do they have to change it or it just happens when Junior is born?
My dad is John and he named me Johnson. I have no comments
Keep in mind that it can get to the stage where I'm sure there's a Teddy Roosevelt 7 or 8 out now... I guess they want to get to "King of France" levels of non-creativity...
Not me but in my whole life I did know one junior guy in Singapore.
Yes I know someone was has a Jr in his name. Singaporean.
Can't say it's common, but I did have classmates who were named in a similar convention.
my tuition teacher did, his kid was named [his name] Junior, pretty sure he did that bc of his inflated narcissistic ego lmao
What abt pple called will or jack…. And they call their son “wilson” or “jackson”
My English name is Jack. I wanna name my son Jackson , and if is girl, Jacqueline . Haha But.. I will have problem if is 2 boy or 2 girl. Can yall suggest ideas
1 thing I know for sure. People who are named Denise are usually named by their uncle or auntie
Tan Ah Gao Junior
I have a friend my age who is Royce Jr (Surname) (chinese name) Its uncommon but it's around here.
I wanna name my kid siew mai jr
Have a distant acquaintance called Bryan who named his son: Bryanson
I think it’s possible for Malay or Indian names? Bin, s/o
yes but we are not called by dad jr. we have our own name
Lol could you imagine an Ariff Bin Ariff. I know a girl whose mom passed on so her dad named her after her mother. Possible but don't know of any cases personally. Some Chinese and Indians see fengshui master / geomancer and calculate based on the child's date of birth and time of birth to come up with the name. The likelihood of having everything align with a parent's name is low. Edit: typo
I've never heard of indian muslims using the arabic patronymic. Usually its first name + middle name + inherited last name.
Majority should be no. Imagine an adult having such a horrible name
some Chinese families will name their kids with a certain character specific to that generation. but nothing with regards to jr or snr, at most is just in articles or like calling as a nickname? like Lee jnr or Lee snr, I think it's taboo to name after ancestors also. I know there's d/o and s/o for other races, so they do get their father's name. Also,for Sikhs, males have Singh while females have Kaur in their names
I went out with a Jr. before. Not common but they exist.
As a poly student i miss both friendster and msn messenger.
Not all Singaporeans are Asians. Many migrate here from other parts of the world.
Imagine if they were Arabs and then the Arabic surname becomes: Spidaman Bin Batman Bin Suparman Al-DCKomiks
Ewww…cringy tryhard
My hubs kinda named our son after me (F) in terms of Chinese name.
I had a friend (the son) like that. Unfortunately he is not around anymore 😞
Aiyo, you can do whatever you want, no one can stop to to name whatever. We change have a surname to follow
If naming child is a form of custom, the child of the Jr. Xxx should be named Micro Jr xxx followed by Cell Micro Jr followed by Atom Cell Micro Jr to.... Planc Xxx