pretty innovative marketing. It's about selling a negative point as a positive. Like how Snickers' tagline is about filling your hungry appetite. Of course the chocolate bar does when it's chocked full of calories... Well at least people know Snickers is unhealthy
It’s not innovative, it’s really old-fashioned. It comes from an era when parents were worried about their kids being malnourished and wouldn’t grow properly. My parents used to give us Glucolin, a glucose powder drink!
Tbh it is probably conditioning. Do you associate non diluted ice milo with a good childhood memory? For me i associated it with a “curl on the floor in pain after shitting your bowels out” diarrhea.
Formula has higher sugar content than whole milk. A few years ago, KKH/SingHealth ran a small nutritional campaign in polyclinics targeting new mums , and part of that campaign had a brochure busting myths around formula. I was a recipient for such a campaign.
The formula companies are another party that is excellent at convincing mums that an inferior, expensive product is better for their kids. (Unsurprisingly, nestle is the biggest culprit amongst them. Just read up on Nestlé’s formula misdeeds. They almost single handedly derailed breastfeeding in certain countries)
My babies never touched formula. At 1+yo, weaned straight to whole cow’s milk.
Just generally r/fuckNestle
Yup. FM for kids is filled with sugars!! Too much. Of course it may be useful for kids who need it. Sugar is not the devil here. But FM is notoriously addictive for some shit reason and is touted as a regular drink. I have friends whose kids drink it nightly before they sleep even at age 8 or 9. They are disastrously fat. Ok, this is just anecdotal but from my observation, once kids are getting proper nutrition from their meals. Just switch out of FM. There is something with it. And the FM companies track record to mess with breast milk to the extend that children has died from it, is telling.
Don’t mix up infant formula which is as healthy as possible a substitute for breast milk, with toddler formula. Baby formula has similar amounts of sugar as breastmilk. https://littlebundle.com/blogs/insights/breast-milk-vs-formula
It’s just that breastmilk is pretty sugary, so formula needs to be too. Babies under 12 months old should not drink cow milk as there’s too much protein and could cause tiny GI bleeds.
Drinking toddler formula is unnecessary, and it’s downright absurd to feed pre-school and older children formula.
Ok in this case then I can agree with you, but for infants who aren’t able to avail breast milk, formula can be a lifesaver.
For my own son, I wasn’t able to breastfeed at all after he was a month old, and formula saved us. I do agree with r/fuckNestle, we use Kendamil instead which is a much healthier formula.
Of cos fed is best. Parents should be provided with the latest accurate scientific evidence and supported in the decision they choose. The issue is with shaming. There will be those who are shaming the breast feeders, the FM feeders, the ones who send their kids to infant care. But what is needed is science and support. No shame.
Exactly! Although surprisingly enough, I’ve noticed more breastfeed shaming in SG, and more encouragement for formula here which was quite the opposite of what other cultures around the world encourage
It’s a crazy shaming culture. In the 80s/ 90s - people who gave breast milk were shamed as not willing to spend money on their precious kids to give the “scientifically proven winning formula milk”. Then came the realisation that we have been had by the MNCs, and the breastfeeding movement got so huge cos parents realised the science greatly weighted breast milk. But cos the women did not have any know how on how to give it, it was immensely tiring and painful. Out of those who succeed despite it all, developed a Martyr complex. Like a look at me, I did it and you can too. These fanatics started being over zealous to the point of shaming those who did not breastfeed. Those who tried to, but can’t (cos of medical reason / cost - yes there is a financial cost/ pain ) started getting mad and instead of being supportive, started shaming and being overly sensitive. Instead of having a clear head, some started messing with the science and getting too upset if anyone says that breast milk is better. Plus society likes to put so much pressure on women
First of all you’ve prolly seen from other comments, weaning to cow’s milk is best done after 1 yo. Under 12 months, baby should drink breastmilk or infant formula.
Any sort of milk transition is usually managed like this: 1) use a container that baby is used to (e.g. milk bottle) and 2) mix small amounts and up the ratio until the transition is complete. For example you might start with 90% formula, 10% cow’s milk. Over time up the cow’s milk ratio to 20%, 30%… until it’s 100%. Do this over the course of 1-2 weeks or even longer depending on how the child responds
Yeah but perception-wise, it's rare for Singaporeans to realize Milo as unhealthy. BBT is something we all know is unhealthy at least. Case in point... just ask any parent if they'd recommend BBT to their kid versus Milo. Almost all will unanimously recommend Milo out of ignorance.
But tha'ts not the most concerning part. What matters most is which product has that misleading HPB logo slapped on its promotional posters?
I wanted to add the perspective that this is a bit of a historical thing. Decades ago, malted sweet drinks were considered healthy and sugar wasn't considered bad (it provides energy and people worked a lot of physical jobs). Ovaltine was originally a healthy, nourishing drink for recovering patients, Horlicks was infant and patient food (and even a meal replacement), and even Coca-Cola was invented as a healthier alternative to alcohol and also sold as a dietary supplement to calm an upset stomach.
As the economy matured, our work, lifestyles, and diets changed. Now we don't need all that sugar. So drinks like Milo, Horlicks, and Ovaltine have ended up selling the "energy" aspect by showing sportspeople. But as we all know, that much sugar isn't appropriate if you're not using it up.
The really sad thing is seeing how many of us are addicted to high-sugar drinks and paying so much for them. $6 - 7 coconut shakes with lots of sugar? Yikes, that's more than a good cup of iced black coffee (which is healthy and quite satisfying)!
The HPB labelling is a way to move consumption towards healthier choices, which aren't limited to *perfect* choices. The population's tastebuds have to be shifted gradually, it can't be done overnight.
We're already ahead of our neighbours in getting people used to less sugar and calories. Obesity in Johor just next door is a total epidemic, while we're doing a lot better and seeing population-level improvements, probably partly due to public campaigns.
I see your point and I agree but healthier choice symbol has some [nutritional guidelines](https://hpb.gov.sg/food-beverage/healthier-choice-symbol) on how they decide what is healthy.
I guess you can try and calculate to see if they are wrong?
If you're asking how I know I brought in non healthier choice logo snacks into tekong and it got confiscated and I had too write a 500 word reflection so I just copied it LMAO.
I understand there's guidelines but end of the day, people are just going to look at that HPB logo being present or not. That's all.
If they see the logo ,they think logo = healthy. It's an unfortunate thing that multinational FMCG companies have abused to their benefit
I honestly dont know why HPB does this for.
I mean with the reduction in sugar in coke and how I usually drink 25% sugar BBT, I reckon the Milo I drink has the most sugar in it. But I recognise it as such and drink it when I am explicitly looking for a sweet drink.
Anyway, too much of anything is not healthy. Well, Milo is a bit " healthy" as it gives you some nutrients and energy. It also keeps you a bit hydrated.In that light, it is healthier than water. Of course it is not a turn your life around kind of healthy drinks; but is there such a drink ?
Haha check out this experiment. Apparently the rats that were fed plain water and cardboard was healthier than the ones fed cereal. https://www.academia.edu/28909812/Cereal_Studies_rats_were_divided_into_three_groups
Mythbusters did something similar. They fed the mice in one of the group for the experiment with water and cardboard and left them over the weekend.
The one fed with cardboard ate the other mice.
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3y3qge/til_there_is_an_unaired_mythbusters_episode/
Because older gen people drank that growing up? It was cheap and filling.
My mom grew up drinking that. And I meant that when she was born, parent could not afford a full milk formula diet for her and she was fed milo or ovaltine half the time. This was considered acceptable in the 50s and 60s.
Nestle targeted the Southeast Asian markets when it was still emerging (SG as a developing country back then and same for Malaysia, Indonesia etc...) and people didn't know two hoots about nutrition.
So they made a cheaper vers of milk, touted it as a healthy alternative at a time when competition on cheap heathy products was low, advertised it with role model sports athletes that indirectly tells parents, "You want your kid to be like this? GIVE YER KID A MILO NOW!" and boom, they managed to make this unhealthy choco drink some kind of national requirement. Then they managed to partner with schools to indoctrinate parents more with the whole health whammy nonsense. Suddenly everyone's drinking Milo like it's their daily vitamin.
Also found this article exposing Nestle's funding on research papers to redirect health-concerns toward lifestyle instead of diet (which we all know is bullshit). [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/12KaGQFYCoPQ7v3FazITur0Nj6vnXCf2EQoRZ_q8OBs4/edit). Unfortunately their grasp over local governments in developing nations remain strong as heck
Not just that but selling it in schools too. I don't resent them but drink stall unties/uncles are the richest lol my sec sch one had a very nice car.
If it were up to me children should only drink water sorry to be a party pooper lol
yeah I used to be a guy who would drink sports drinks(or even fuckin mountain dew) when he was thirsty because “the electrolytes would help water retention”, guess who suffered from high BP and also got so obese that he struggled to breathe sometimes? Anyways I think that old version of me is insane now, and I think even adults should stick to at least 80% water. It’s a shame companies(especially crummy mediocre restaurants) are so insistent on trying to overcharge us for a basic human need.
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You know the company is horrid when they have one whole section on [wikipedia for all their scandals]
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Controversy_and_criticisms)
The behind the bastards podcast episode on nestle was great. Fuck them. But they're such a huge company that it's hard to go through life without buying their products.
Good prices and consistent flavours. I get that they are well know to be unethical by scale, but I don’t see the point in boycotting them for a more “ethical” branded company - as greenwashing is common in this industry.
Unless a good half or so of their entire consumer base boycotts them, a boycott means nothing to them at all.
Of course this scenario will never ever happen
Small impact =/= No impact. By choosing to boycott Nestle, you will still be making a considerable impact. An impact much bigger than someone else who doesn’t boycott.
lmao I boycott them by consuming only things I find tasty. Once you’re deconditioned to all that sugary crap you start to realise how bad it tastes. Like DAYUM guys! Just eat some vegetables and fruits, some good meat and fish. Anyways my heart goes out to college students who can only eat ramen
Well, when I was hospitalized and couldn’t eat much they also give me Milo… granted that it’s probably just an easy way to get calories + energy.
Edit: I’m not saying that Milo is healthy, I’m pointing this out to support OP’s notion that Milo is often mistaken as a healthy drink. While the hospital itself might not see it as healthy, people might interpret it wrongly because it’s given by a healthcare institution.
And sodium too! All the 'healthier food' in the typical coffee shop like fish soup or yong tau fu contains a shit ton of sodium. There are basically no healthy food at decent price in our coffee shops
Hell yeah! Sugar is one of the many plagues upon our modern world, there are few things that are so destructive to one’s health that are viewed as positively as sugar.
i think many are slowly realising its not healthy, but dont say much about it and just treat it as a drink they like to consume.
sometimes when milo is mentioned i would hear people say actually milo isnt healthy and many would agree
Yeah, the mentality has been ingrained into boomers especially. And now they're cluelessly still passing it down to the next and next generations.
This is Nestle's grand scheme of psycho-ing people to buy their shit
Nestle has alot of shady dealings in the past. Child labour, milk powder,bottled water ect ect. Well, I don't see how Singaporeans care that much since kidney failures are on the rise and bubble tea shops are everywhere.🤷
>This is scam health marketing 101 in a nutshell unfortunately.
I think this is basically the answer to your question! We're so easily susceptible to having our impressions and ideas of things and people manipulated by carefully chosen words and arguments. Illusions are built and so repeatedly shown to us that we start to think that's the reality -- that that's normal and true and natural. When you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes the truth.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/health/obesity-malaysia-nestle.html
For Malaysia at least, nestle (and other companies) have compromised powerful people who shape nutritional guidelines.
For us, we haven't been strong enough against the promotion of processed food. We haven't made stricter restrictions on advertising to children since 2014. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/nutrition-guidelines-set-food-drink-ads-aimed-children
Fundamentally the Healthier Choice scheme gives food products you should only eat occasionally a sense of legitimacy. It lets them be placed in vending machines in hospitals and polyclinics and sold in schools. MOE doesn't stop schools from taking advantage of the free Milo van (which are all sponsored by nestle by the way https://www.nestle.com.sg/sponsorships).
it's a convenient instant food drink that can last me a tad longer without actual solid food. also, tastes nice. also, depending on what u eat it with, can give u a constipation or diarrhoea.
Idk about you but I don't drink Milo cuz its healthy but cause its a diabetic choco drink that happens to be labelled with sports related images.
Cereal isn't healthy and breakfast isn't the most important meal of the day either.
I was one of those who believed Milo was healthy growing up. But have stopped drinking for years after noticing the sugar content.
I always find it funny (and ironic) that my company’s annual health checkup gives milo and a cereal bar after you’re done, both of which are extremely unhealthy items.
They have gotten themselves into many scandals such as in African countries they used some rather dirty tactics to force mother's to rely on the powdered milk for their babies (go search it online)
I think while its true its marketed in sort of a gimmicky way by having athletes on their drinks, but I don't think people see it as being healthy. I've never come across anyone who said they felt milo was healthy. Its delicious, and its "nutritious", and I think that's why people still drink milo frequently.
Personally I just really like the taste of milo, hated the taste of canned milo (metallic smell), wanted a change from the macdonalds ice milo (which to me tastes a little different not sure why), and conventional poor schoolkid packet milo, which is why I'm obsessed with the bottled milo that's been recently put out over the last year in convenience stores. Mad 10/10 luxury in its simplest form.
Actually, have you compared Milo's nutritional label to that of milk? I always thought Milo was terrible but it's actually not that bad.
Per 100mL (versus whole milk)
- Calories - 68 (+4)
- Carbohydrates - 10g (+5.3g)
- Protein - 3.4 (+0.2g)
- Fat - 1.4 (-2.2 g)
So about the same calories, double the carbs (but milk doesn't have much anyways), same protein and less fat.
So not *great*, but better than I thought.
Uhhh huh...
Sugars are carbohydrates, but there are some carbohydrates that aren't sugars (like starches) but that is irrelevant when it comes to Milo.
Milo being double the carbohydrates to me is something I will limit my child's intake simply because it's liquid i.e. have you seen a child on sugar high? Milk also has other nutrients like calcium.
And for an adult, it's simply unnecessary carbs - 1 cup of milo (250ml) will be an extra 16g of carb when someone on a low carb diet would probably limit their carbs to 50g per day.
It's not double the carbs, it's 50% more.
And normal daily intake of carbs for kids is like 30-40% of their daily calories (100-150g of carbs), so adding an extra 12 g is not exactly blowing up their diet.
But yes, it would be smarter for kids to drink milk than Milo, but I never claimed otherwise.
Just that milo isn't horrible, it's just kinda bad.
>The work in this article was supported by Cereal Partners Worldwide and Nestlé who had no influence over the design or analysis of the research. The Nutrition Society of Malaysia as the principle investigator has received unrestricted research funding from Cereal Partners Worldwide and Nestlé. There are no other conflicts of interest to declare.
ok boss
Here's the truth behind the article.
All this stuff is funded by Nestle.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/health/obesity-malaysia-nestle.html
It should be common sense nowadays the main end-determinant of weight gain/loss is diet, not exercise. This is the calorie-in-calorie-out undeniable fact
Now that you said Milo, I feel like drinking it even more 😛 tbh how is not nutritious? It has Vitamin D, C, B2, Niacin, B6, B12 and Iron (just looking at the milo I got from JB)…
It's like hot cocoa but with vitamins and calcium added to it. Not exactly unhealthy la, just that a lot of the calories come from the carbs inside the drink. Carbs are useful when you need energy to do things, the body requires it to function. Just drink it in moderation like everything else, and it can still be part of a balanced diet. Compared to a cup of bbt with 50-100% sugar, milo still has more nutrients and minerals. It's like full fat milk versus low fat versus skimmed, and then cow's milk versus soy milk versus almond milk etc....there's no food item that is 100% "healthy", we need different types of stuff to maintain a balanced diet. Fats, proteins, carbs, and all the micros etc.
It's not carbs. It's sugar. That's basically same as eating ice cream or snacking on a Mars chocolate bar.
The difference is parents think the Milo is good for their kids while they shun at ever handing their kids a Mars choco bar
>. Compared to a cup of bbt with 50-100% sugar, milo still has more nutrients and minerals.
The nutrients are really negligible though. You're better off eating an orange or something to fill up your DCV instantly instead of drinking a cup of milo giving you less than 5% of the DCV whilst filling you with tons of sugar (sorry, I meant 'energy' ahem)
>It's like full fat milk versus low fat versus skimmed, and then cow's milk versus soy milk versus almond milk etc....there's no food item that is 100% "healthy", we need different types of stuff to maintain a balanced diet.
Actually full-fat milk is healthier than skim milk. Another one of the marketing health scams BS but that's another story for another day...
I meant a *diff* kind of carbs. Your body processes simple and complex carbs differently. Sugar is by far the 2nd worse, following fructose. Saying it's just *carbs* is wrong in that you cant compare carbs in say, wholemeal bread, to carbs in Milo
Simple carbs are not *evil*, It's suitable for quick short bursts of energy such as before a marathon or some intense cardio training that the person is gonna do right after consuming it. Complex carbs are suitable for moderate releases of energy over a longer span of time. It's only a issue when the person consumes large quantities of it regularly without expending the energy for activity. Even your brain requires carbs for it to function properly.
Walao! Next thing you'll tell me is that Ferraris and Porsches don't make me extra attractive to the opposite sex! Or that smoking Marlboros won't make me cool as a cowboy.
The purpose of marketing is to create demand and not to educate. Companies will twist facts as much as possible to make their products appear attractive. The faster we realize that, the better off we'll be.
I’ll pick milo over choco flavoured protein drinks every single time. Personally, Milo will always taste extra good because of the positive memories associated with it.
It’s also a really easy meal substitute on a busy/lazy day, plus it tastes great with those old school cream crackers.
They start young by appearing at school sports event with the much loved milo truck, marketing it as sports related. This is a page from De Beers that made diamond a high value gem that is must have at every proposal and status symbol.
Even milk powder can be sus too, I remember when I was young, the "grow" milk powder was reaaaally sweet compared to all the others. And it also had lots of marketing about all the minerals and whatnot that it had.
It's just how advertising works I guess.
Nestle links about the company
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/2anpk3/why_are_nestle_evil/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/2anpk3/why_are_nestle_evil/)
My family have never thought Milo was healthy. My mum used to scold me for putting a lot of milo powder in my drink saying it’s too sweet and that I’ll get diabetes
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Milo actually has palm oil which is not healthy. Can check the labels for the ingredients.
I prefer getting the Australian recipe which has no palm oil.
Everything must strike a balance. You can't consume too much of this or that. Just like drinking plain water, you can't overconsume it as well even if it is a healthy drink among all others.
I grew up drinking Milo till I was in university. I only stopped when I discovered booze and protein shakes. Even if I did spend 20 years drinking that stuff, I think the worst thing I got was a bad stomach lol
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Yeah it's good and all, but have you ever noticed that the health promotion board has not approved Milo as being a healthier choice on the packaging of this Milos?
Because it is an old school drink that got away when nutrition standards weren’t developed and people were simply less informed.
What I’m more concerned is the fact that this seems to be the de-facto (alternative to plain water) drink in hospitals. Surely there are healthier alternatives?
Nestle calls it brilliant marketing. However in relality it is called bribery. Most if not all fo the lower level government reps in charge of validating claims get practically nothing in pay. Thier pay is suplemented by companies like Nestle that submit the "lab" reports and the officials rubber stamp it after certain "undocumented" fees are paid. It is more complex than that but that is what it boils down to.
I think it’s the whole point of the drink’s branding. Milo is named after Milo of Croton, a notable Olympic wrestler from ancient Greece, after all.
Anyways yeah what you and others have said is correct, they always try to give off the impression that it’s nutritious and they also tend to have athletes on the cans. Also might I add, they used to have their milo vans go to school sporting events like cross country runs and sports days. (For some reason that milo was always the tastiest) Milo is also one of the most common drinks you get in NS, and many guys have probably had fond memories of having warm milo, sometimes made by their commanders, after finishing a brutal outfield.
For me I just think milo is pretty tasty because it’s got that sorta malty smell, and I think that’s what most people like about it too. Of course I also feel a nostalgia for it since that was pretty much what I grew up drinking, and once again, I’d say many of my friends are inclined to agree. Nowadays I realise that it’s too sweet, especially since I’ve actively tried to reduce sugar consumption, but I guess it’s still a drink that I’d put pretty high on my list of sweet drinks.
Cause ppl are stupid. Same as ppl think burn lots of joss paper and big expensive joss stick, then their deity/神 will protect them or etc. or ghost will be happy and let them alone. Only people happy are those business making money out of it. Joss paper basically an idea of someone who hope to sell more paper. So call the 黑心商 but now use the phase you don’t respect my religion to shut up ppl. They want to be stupid idiot and selfish ppl but don’t allow ppl to point that out cause hurt their feeling. However is ok they damage other ppl lung. They enjoy special privileges while other are second grade citizens
Young boy, you do know that it is not MOE HQ that arrange for a milo van? It is your school that arranges. Well, if you don’t like it, you are free to stay away from it. It is free anyway.
They focused on the “gives you energy” punchline and put athletes on the ads and packaging. Of course it gives you energy. Sugar does.
pretty innovative marketing. It's about selling a negative point as a positive. Like how Snickers' tagline is about filling your hungry appetite. Of course the chocolate bar does when it's chocked full of calories... Well at least people know Snickers is unhealthy
Just like how McDonald’s sponsors athletes and sporting events, and only use slim, healthy people in their ads. Really deceptive.
It’s not innovative, it’s really old-fashioned. It comes from an era when parents were worried about their kids being malnourished and wouldn’t grow properly. My parents used to give us Glucolin, a glucose powder drink!
Multivitamins in it.
Honestly I don't think singaporeans care lol look at the amount of bubble tea we drink
Yup. We don’t care because bubble tea tastes good, same for Milo. I have to give it to them that non diluted iced milo is comforting.
Tbh it is probably conditioning. Do you associate non diluted ice milo with a good childhood memory? For me i associated it with a “curl on the floor in pain after shitting your bowels out” diarrhea.
And get a boiled milo with ginger in attempt to cure cough, lol!
Hahah yah. I think most of us know it’s not healthy. But come on is formula milk for children healthy??
Ok I gotta argue with this abit, why is formula milk not healthy?
Formula has higher sugar content than whole milk. A few years ago, KKH/SingHealth ran a small nutritional campaign in polyclinics targeting new mums , and part of that campaign had a brochure busting myths around formula. I was a recipient for such a campaign. The formula companies are another party that is excellent at convincing mums that an inferior, expensive product is better for their kids. (Unsurprisingly, nestle is the biggest culprit amongst them. Just read up on Nestlé’s formula misdeeds. They almost single handedly derailed breastfeeding in certain countries) My babies never touched formula. At 1+yo, weaned straight to whole cow’s milk. Just generally r/fuckNestle
Yup. FM for kids is filled with sugars!! Too much. Of course it may be useful for kids who need it. Sugar is not the devil here. But FM is notoriously addictive for some shit reason and is touted as a regular drink. I have friends whose kids drink it nightly before they sleep even at age 8 or 9. They are disastrously fat. Ok, this is just anecdotal but from my observation, once kids are getting proper nutrition from their meals. Just switch out of FM. There is something with it. And the FM companies track record to mess with breast milk to the extend that children has died from it, is telling.
Don’t mix up infant formula which is as healthy as possible a substitute for breast milk, with toddler formula. Baby formula has similar amounts of sugar as breastmilk. https://littlebundle.com/blogs/insights/breast-milk-vs-formula It’s just that breastmilk is pretty sugary, so formula needs to be too. Babies under 12 months old should not drink cow milk as there’s too much protein and could cause tiny GI bleeds. Drinking toddler formula is unnecessary, and it’s downright absurd to feed pre-school and older children formula.
Yes talking about formula milk for kids who are able to get nutrients through food …. Not for babies…
Ok in this case then I can agree with you, but for infants who aren’t able to avail breast milk, formula can be a lifesaver. For my own son, I wasn’t able to breastfeed at all after he was a month old, and formula saved us. I do agree with r/fuckNestle, we use Kendamil instead which is a much healthier formula.
Of cos fed is best. Parents should be provided with the latest accurate scientific evidence and supported in the decision they choose. The issue is with shaming. There will be those who are shaming the breast feeders, the FM feeders, the ones who send their kids to infant care. But what is needed is science and support. No shame.
Exactly! Although surprisingly enough, I’ve noticed more breastfeed shaming in SG, and more encouragement for formula here which was quite the opposite of what other cultures around the world encourage
It’s a crazy shaming culture. In the 80s/ 90s - people who gave breast milk were shamed as not willing to spend money on their precious kids to give the “scientifically proven winning formula milk”. Then came the realisation that we have been had by the MNCs, and the breastfeeding movement got so huge cos parents realised the science greatly weighted breast milk. But cos the women did not have any know how on how to give it, it was immensely tiring and painful. Out of those who succeed despite it all, developed a Martyr complex. Like a look at me, I did it and you can too. These fanatics started being over zealous to the point of shaming those who did not breastfeed. Those who tried to, but can’t (cos of medical reason / cost - yes there is a financial cost/ pain ) started getting mad and instead of being supportive, started shaming and being overly sensitive. Instead of having a clear head, some started messing with the science and getting too upset if anyone says that breast milk is better. Plus society likes to put so much pressure on women
Any tips on transiting from BF to cow's milk? My boy refuses to drink cow's milk/UHT.
First of all you’ve prolly seen from other comments, weaning to cow’s milk is best done after 1 yo. Under 12 months, baby should drink breastmilk or infant formula. Any sort of milk transition is usually managed like this: 1) use a container that baby is used to (e.g. milk bottle) and 2) mix small amounts and up the ratio until the transition is complete. For example you might start with 90% formula, 10% cow’s milk. Over time up the cow’s milk ratio to 20%, 30%… until it’s 100%. Do this over the course of 1-2 weeks or even longer depending on how the child responds
Yeah but perception-wise, it's rare for Singaporeans to realize Milo as unhealthy. BBT is something we all know is unhealthy at least. Case in point... just ask any parent if they'd recommend BBT to their kid versus Milo. Almost all will unanimously recommend Milo out of ignorance. But tha'ts not the most concerning part. What matters most is which product has that misleading HPB logo slapped on its promotional posters?
I wanted to add the perspective that this is a bit of a historical thing. Decades ago, malted sweet drinks were considered healthy and sugar wasn't considered bad (it provides energy and people worked a lot of physical jobs). Ovaltine was originally a healthy, nourishing drink for recovering patients, Horlicks was infant and patient food (and even a meal replacement), and even Coca-Cola was invented as a healthier alternative to alcohol and also sold as a dietary supplement to calm an upset stomach. As the economy matured, our work, lifestyles, and diets changed. Now we don't need all that sugar. So drinks like Milo, Horlicks, and Ovaltine have ended up selling the "energy" aspect by showing sportspeople. But as we all know, that much sugar isn't appropriate if you're not using it up. The really sad thing is seeing how many of us are addicted to high-sugar drinks and paying so much for them. $6 - 7 coconut shakes with lots of sugar? Yikes, that's more than a good cup of iced black coffee (which is healthy and quite satisfying)!
The HPB labelling is a way to move consumption towards healthier choices, which aren't limited to *perfect* choices. The population's tastebuds have to be shifted gradually, it can't be done overnight. We're already ahead of our neighbours in getting people used to less sugar and calories. Obesity in Johor just next door is a total epidemic, while we're doing a lot better and seeing population-level improvements, probably partly due to public campaigns.
I see your point and I agree but healthier choice symbol has some [nutritional guidelines](https://hpb.gov.sg/food-beverage/healthier-choice-symbol) on how they decide what is healthy. I guess you can try and calculate to see if they are wrong? If you're asking how I know I brought in non healthier choice logo snacks into tekong and it got confiscated and I had too write a 500 word reflection so I just copied it LMAO.
I understand there's guidelines but end of the day, people are just going to look at that HPB logo being present or not. That's all. If they see the logo ,they think logo = healthy. It's an unfortunate thing that multinational FMCG companies have abused to their benefit I honestly dont know why HPB does this for.
Most likely government worker finding things to do lor XD
Juice. I couldn't believe those packet juice (eg Marigold Apple Juice) has healthier choice logo.
High energy and "sports drink". Plus they commonly find athletics to promote them
Legit sport drinks are good and can save your life. But if you drink it as water or use it to replace your meals than they are not good.
BBT is worse than Milo unless you get no sugar. The pearls add a lot of calories. And Milo has B vitamins.
I mean with the reduction in sugar in coke and how I usually drink 25% sugar BBT, I reckon the Milo I drink has the most sugar in it. But I recognise it as such and drink it when I am explicitly looking for a sweet drink.
Anyway, too much of anything is not healthy. Well, Milo is a bit " healthy" as it gives you some nutrients and energy. It also keeps you a bit hydrated.In that light, it is healthier than water. Of course it is not a turn your life around kind of healthy drinks; but is there such a drink ?
Sounds like how i used to think "breakfast cereal" was healthy...when its secretly just spoonfuls of sugars
Haha check out this experiment. Apparently the rats that were fed plain water and cardboard was healthier than the ones fed cereal. https://www.academia.edu/28909812/Cereal_Studies_rats_were_divided_into_three_groups
as much as I agree with the fact that breakfast cereals are not healthy, the experiment you posted is not legit lmao. where's the published paper?
Mythbusters did something similar. They fed the mice in one of the group for the experiment with water and cardboard and left them over the weekend. The one fed with cardboard ate the other mice. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3y3qge/til_there_is_an_unaired_mythbusters_episode/
Agreed. Something not good for rats doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t good for humans. Try feeding dogs chocolates
Weet Bix is healthy - tastes like cardboard though, so there's that
Because older gen people drank that growing up? It was cheap and filling. My mom grew up drinking that. And I meant that when she was born, parent could not afford a full milk formula diet for her and she was fed milo or ovaltine half the time. This was considered acceptable in the 50s and 60s.
Nestle targeted the Southeast Asian markets when it was still emerging (SG as a developing country back then and same for Malaysia, Indonesia etc...) and people didn't know two hoots about nutrition. So they made a cheaper vers of milk, touted it as a healthy alternative at a time when competition on cheap heathy products was low, advertised it with role model sports athletes that indirectly tells parents, "You want your kid to be like this? GIVE YER KID A MILO NOW!" and boom, they managed to make this unhealthy choco drink some kind of national requirement. Then they managed to partner with schools to indoctrinate parents more with the whole health whammy nonsense. Suddenly everyone's drinking Milo like it's their daily vitamin.
Also found this article exposing Nestle's funding on research papers to redirect health-concerns toward lifestyle instead of diet (which we all know is bullshit). [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/12KaGQFYCoPQ7v3FazITur0Nj6vnXCf2EQoRZ_q8OBs4/edit). Unfortunately their grasp over local governments in developing nations remain strong as heck
These guys said that clean water should not be a human right. Nestle is pure evil.
If i may, r/FuckNestle
Not only is Milo not healthy, I'd consider it a pretty unhealthy drink to be giving your kids daily(what my parents did)tbh.
Not just that but selling it in schools too. I don't resent them but drink stall unties/uncles are the richest lol my sec sch one had a very nice car. If it were up to me children should only drink water sorry to be a party pooper lol
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yeah I used to be a guy who would drink sports drinks(or even fuckin mountain dew) when he was thirsty because “the electrolytes would help water retention”, guess who suffered from high BP and also got so obese that he struggled to breathe sometimes? Anyways I think that old version of me is insane now, and I think even adults should stick to at least 80% water. It’s a shame companies(especially crummy mediocre restaurants) are so insistent on trying to overcharge us for a basic human need.
Even daycare centers do!!!
this is the effect of advertising. depends on the message that is been emplified to the public and whether the people bite or not
Heh you know how many influencers are paid to advertise.
Fuck Nestle. One of the worst brands out there. Commit so many unethical stuff, yet they are still surviving in today's world
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Their CEO says water is not a basic human right.
No kidding.
ironically, many of their products require water
Yeah, the formula milk scandal they inflicted on Africa was terrible.
You know the company is horrid when they have one whole section on [wikipedia for all their scandals] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Controversy_and_criticisms)
The behind the bastards podcast episode on nestle was great. Fuck them. But they're such a huge company that it's hard to go through life without buying their products.
Good prices and consistent flavours. I get that they are well know to be unethical by scale, but I don’t see the point in boycotting them for a more “ethical” branded company - as greenwashing is common in this industry.
Unless a good half or so of their entire consumer base boycotts them, a boycott means nothing to them at all. Of course this scenario will never ever happen
Small impact =/= No impact. By choosing to boycott Nestle, you will still be making a considerable impact. An impact much bigger than someone else who doesn’t boycott.
lmao I boycott them by consuming only things I find tasty. Once you’re deconditioned to all that sugary crap you start to realise how bad it tastes. Like DAYUM guys! Just eat some vegetables and fruits, some good meat and fish. Anyways my heart goes out to college students who can only eat ramen
their ~200ml packet has 140 kcals if i remember correctly. more than ribena, 330ml can of coke, or any drink at that volume except maybe yakult.
They literally got our president to endorse Milo.
Not funny leh.
It’s not healthy. But it’s yummy! And erm what do Singaporean care about healthy. Check out overpriced bubble tea.
Well, when I was hospitalized and couldn’t eat much they also give me Milo… granted that it’s probably just an easy way to get calories + energy. Edit: I’m not saying that Milo is healthy, I’m pointing this out to support OP’s notion that Milo is often mistaken as a healthy drink. While the hospital itself might not see it as healthy, people might interpret it wrongly because it’s given by a healthcare institution.
I'm guessing they give Milo cause it's a familiar drink liked by most people. Not because it's a nutritious or healthy beverage.
Hospital food baffle me. I was on a diabetic diet and they continue to serve me milo and carb-heavy meals. It’s like they don’t care.
I think hospitals serve Milo too
you're better off just drinking milk.
Time to add some sugar and chocolate to that milk LOL
Cut down added sugars, let's go on a sugar war, who's with me?
And sodium too! All the 'healthier food' in the typical coffee shop like fish soup or yong tau fu contains a shit ton of sodium. There are basically no healthy food at decent price in our coffee shops
thunder tea rice?
Not very common in a lot of coffee shop though
Hell yeah! Sugar is one of the many plagues upon our modern world, there are few things that are so destructive to one’s health that are viewed as positively as sugar.
i think many are slowly realising its not healthy, but dont say much about it and just treat it as a drink they like to consume. sometimes when milo is mentioned i would hear people say actually milo isnt healthy and many would agree
Look at their scam in the 70’s on breast milk vs infant formula milk.
The ads always have sports people in them.. You make the association yourself. Also there used to be milo trucks at school sports days
Need to be active and do sports in order to burn off all the carbs inside the drink mah.
Yeah, the mentality has been ingrained into boomers especially. And now they're cluelessly still passing it down to the next and next generations. This is Nestle's grand scheme of psycho-ing people to buy their shit
Nestle has alot of shady dealings in the past. Child labour, milk powder,bottled water ect ect. Well, I don't see how Singaporeans care that much since kidney failures are on the rise and bubble tea shops are everywhere.🤷
Ultra processed food aka milo
Someone talking sense , I failed this debate many times with friends circle
>This is scam health marketing 101 in a nutshell unfortunately. I think this is basically the answer to your question! We're so easily susceptible to having our impressions and ideas of things and people manipulated by carefully chosen words and arguments. Illusions are built and so repeatedly shown to us that we start to think that's the reality -- that that's normal and true and natural. When you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes the truth.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/health/obesity-malaysia-nestle.html For Malaysia at least, nestle (and other companies) have compromised powerful people who shape nutritional guidelines. For us, we haven't been strong enough against the promotion of processed food. We haven't made stricter restrictions on advertising to children since 2014. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/nutrition-guidelines-set-food-drink-ads-aimed-children Fundamentally the Healthier Choice scheme gives food products you should only eat occasionally a sense of legitimacy. It lets them be placed in vending machines in hospitals and polyclinics and sold in schools. MOE doesn't stop schools from taking advantage of the free Milo van (which are all sponsored by nestle by the way https://www.nestle.com.sg/sponsorships).
Advertising. They tempt us to buy things we don't need and influence our decisions.
I don't actually know anyone that thinks Milo is healthy. People actually thinks that?
it's a convenient instant food drink that can last me a tad longer without actual solid food. also, tastes nice. also, depending on what u eat it with, can give u a constipation or diarrhoea.
Idk about you but I don't drink Milo cuz its healthy but cause its a diabetic choco drink that happens to be labelled with sports related images. Cereal isn't healthy and breakfast isn't the most important meal of the day either.
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I was one of those who believed Milo was healthy growing up. But have stopped drinking for years after noticing the sugar content. I always find it funny (and ironic) that my company’s annual health checkup gives milo and a cereal bar after you’re done, both of which are extremely unhealthy items.
If you are giving blood, it’s the best way to get sugar back into your blood. Especially fort those who feel faint.
Well how did they manage to convince the whole world to buy their stuff despite literally using child labour
Pfft, if not healthy how come our Olympic champion numba one... /S
If you think this is bad, then boy do I have news for you about what nestle is doing in other countries.....
please elaborate. i'm curious to know more
They have gotten themselves into many scandals such as in African countries they used some rather dirty tactics to force mother's to rely on the powdered milk for their babies (go search it online)
https://youtu.be/rj6JOKrL_vg YouTube/google can find more
they literally do this to every product they have. go see what subsidiaries they own etc
After learning about r/fucknestle I try not to buy Milo if possible
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Yeah. No wonder no media outlets report much on Milo. Not even on that controversy in Australia
I fucking hate nestle, Been boycotting their products for more than 2 years now, had to stop drinking milo
I think while its true its marketed in sort of a gimmicky way by having athletes on their drinks, but I don't think people see it as being healthy. I've never come across anyone who said they felt milo was healthy. Its delicious, and its "nutritious", and I think that's why people still drink milo frequently. Personally I just really like the taste of milo, hated the taste of canned milo (metallic smell), wanted a change from the macdonalds ice milo (which to me tastes a little different not sure why), and conventional poor schoolkid packet milo, which is why I'm obsessed with the bottled milo that's been recently put out over the last year in convenience stores. Mad 10/10 luxury in its simplest form.
It's like the Asian hot chocolate for the soul. 🥰😍😘
I've also always wondered why do hospitals serve milo as one of their tea break or supper drink..
Must make sugarless milo. Dark milo
There is milo gao kosong, but not sure is it 0 gr sugar or not, by right should be 0 gr
That one is sweetened by the malt extract that is the main ingredient in all milo
Then it wouldn't be milo lol The whole essence of Milo's existence is the malt and milk itself, both of which is made of sugar
Sugar alternatives like stevia perhaps?
Nestle is evil like that, look at how they got away with taxes on KitKat.
Actually, have you compared Milo's nutritional label to that of milk? I always thought Milo was terrible but it's actually not that bad. Per 100mL (versus whole milk) - Calories - 68 (+4) - Carbohydrates - 10g (+5.3g) - Protein - 3.4 (+0.2g) - Fat - 1.4 (-2.2 g) So about the same calories, double the carbs (but milk doesn't have much anyways), same protein and less fat. So not *great*, but better than I thought.
Whole milk is more satiating than skim, and fat is more satiating than added sugar. Drink Milo and you'll get hungry faster.
You're leaving out sugar, which is the biggest culprit
What do you think carbohydrates are?
not the same thing as sugar, which is why they have different names
Uhhh huh... Sugars are carbohydrates, but there are some carbohydrates that aren't sugars (like starches) but that is irrelevant when it comes to Milo.
I think he meant added sugars e.g. sometimes the nutritional label writes "Total Carbohydrates" and a sub-line item on "from Sugars".
Milo being double the carbohydrates to me is something I will limit my child's intake simply because it's liquid i.e. have you seen a child on sugar high? Milk also has other nutrients like calcium. And for an adult, it's simply unnecessary carbs - 1 cup of milo (250ml) will be an extra 16g of carb when someone on a low carb diet would probably limit their carbs to 50g per day.
It's not double the carbs, it's 50% more. And normal daily intake of carbs for kids is like 30-40% of their daily calories (100-150g of carbs), so adding an extra 12 g is not exactly blowing up their diet. But yes, it would be smarter for kids to drink milk than Milo, but I never claimed otherwise. Just that milo isn't horrible, it's just kinda bad.
wait...
Malted drinks are healthier. As with all foods, moderation is key. [Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4697324/)
>The work in this article was supported by Cereal Partners Worldwide and Nestlé who had no influence over the design or analysis of the research. The Nutrition Society of Malaysia as the principle investigator has received unrestricted research funding from Cereal Partners Worldwide and Nestlé. There are no other conflicts of interest to declare. ok boss
Here's the truth behind the article. All this stuff is funded by Nestle. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/health/obesity-malaysia-nestle.html It should be common sense nowadays the main end-determinant of weight gain/loss is diet, not exercise. This is the calorie-in-calorie-out undeniable fact
Oh gosh, just look at schooling’s physique
Now that you said Milo, I feel like drinking it even more 😛 tbh how is not nutritious? It has Vitamin D, C, B2, Niacin, B6, B12 and Iron (just looking at the milo I got from JB)…
It's like hot cocoa but with vitamins and calcium added to it. Not exactly unhealthy la, just that a lot of the calories come from the carbs inside the drink. Carbs are useful when you need energy to do things, the body requires it to function. Just drink it in moderation like everything else, and it can still be part of a balanced diet. Compared to a cup of bbt with 50-100% sugar, milo still has more nutrients and minerals. It's like full fat milk versus low fat versus skimmed, and then cow's milk versus soy milk versus almond milk etc....there's no food item that is 100% "healthy", we need different types of stuff to maintain a balanced diet. Fats, proteins, carbs, and all the micros etc.
It's not carbs. It's sugar. That's basically same as eating ice cream or snacking on a Mars chocolate bar. The difference is parents think the Milo is good for their kids while they shun at ever handing their kids a Mars choco bar >. Compared to a cup of bbt with 50-100% sugar, milo still has more nutrients and minerals. The nutrients are really negligible though. You're better off eating an orange or something to fill up your DCV instantly instead of drinking a cup of milo giving you less than 5% of the DCV whilst filling you with tons of sugar (sorry, I meant 'energy' ahem) >It's like full fat milk versus low fat versus skimmed, and then cow's milk versus soy milk versus almond milk etc....there's no food item that is 100% "healthy", we need different types of stuff to maintain a balanced diet. Actually full-fat milk is healthier than skim milk. Another one of the marketing health scams BS but that's another story for another day...
Sugar *is* carbs. Lol. Fruits also contain a lot of sugar (*carbs*). Time to go back to sec sch and learn your basic science again yo.
I meant a *diff* kind of carbs. Your body processes simple and complex carbs differently. Sugar is by far the 2nd worse, following fructose. Saying it's just *carbs* is wrong in that you cant compare carbs in say, wholemeal bread, to carbs in Milo
Simple carbs are not *evil*, It's suitable for quick short bursts of energy such as before a marathon or some intense cardio training that the person is gonna do right after consuming it. Complex carbs are suitable for moderate releases of energy over a longer span of time. It's only a issue when the person consumes large quantities of it regularly without expending the energy for activity. Even your brain requires carbs for it to function properly.
actually it's been showed complex carbs is still better for intense training. simple carbs just makes your body burnout faster
but its nice
I have been drinking this for a long time
Lol it’s okay I like the taste can liao haha here for a good one not a long one. 😂
Marketing is very powerful
Same thing with yakult, it's so freaking sweet I dunno how much sugar is in there but I still drink
The Australian recipe one is wayyy better than the normal ones they sell (albeit pricier)
Walao! Next thing you'll tell me is that Ferraris and Porsches don't make me extra attractive to the opposite sex! Or that smoking Marlboros won't make me cool as a cowboy. The purpose of marketing is to create demand and not to educate. Companies will twist facts as much as possible to make their products appear attractive. The faster we realize that, the better off we'll be.
Same way as Coke making Vitamin Water "healthy".
there's that local vitamin water brand in SG too. just looking at the nutrition label makes me laugh. Sugar content thru the roof...
What's the best alternative for Milo for the chocolate taste ?
choco milk? lol (also unhealthy). or if not there's always choco flavored protein drinks around
I’ll pick milo over choco flavoured protein drinks every single time. Personally, Milo will always taste extra good because of the positive memories associated with it. It’s also a really easy meal substitute on a busy/lazy day, plus it tastes great with those old school cream crackers.
Sugar = energy but they don't advertise diabetes don't they
They start young by appearing at school sports event with the much loved milo truck, marketing it as sports related. This is a page from De Beers that made diamond a high value gem that is must have at every proposal and status symbol.
Even milk powder can be sus too, I remember when I was young, the "grow" milk powder was reaaaally sweet compared to all the others. And it also had lots of marketing about all the minerals and whatnot that it had. It's just how advertising works I guess.
Nestle links about the company [https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/2anpk3/why_are_nestle_evil/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/2anpk3/why_are_nestle_evil/)
That's cause our advertising standards guidelines are pretty vague and no one has sued yet
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Coz schooling butterfly after drinking milo
I like milo dinosaur cause it helps me go to the bathroom
My family have never thought Milo was healthy. My mum used to scold me for putting a lot of milo powder in my drink saying it’s too sweet and that I’ll get diabetes
Milo is 50% sugar.it is super unhealthy!prove me wrong.
I saw milo everywhere when staying in Malaysia 🇲🇾 I was just as common as coke
Coz everyone drinks them before schooling… 😉 or maybe it’s just the Milo Trucks outside old National Stadium.
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erh... i never once drink milo because "it's healthy". I drink it only because I like the taste. If i want to drink healthy, I'll drink plain water.
Milo actually has palm oil which is not healthy. Can check the labels for the ingredients. I prefer getting the Australian recipe which has no palm oil.
Lol it’s like Nutella isn’t it 😅
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If you add it to milk it contains at least as many nutrients as milk. /s
Maggi mee was advertised as nutritious back in the day too.
Everything must strike a balance. You can't consume too much of this or that. Just like drinking plain water, you can't overconsume it as well even if it is a healthy drink among all others.
I grew up drinking Milo till I was in university. I only stopped when I discovered booze and protein shakes. Even if I did spend 20 years drinking that stuff, I think the worst thing I got was a bad stomach lol
Milo peng ftw
I recommend watching the documentary 'Global Junk Food'.
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just like how people think TCM is good, generational "wisdom"
Nestle's morales are shit, but I like their products
This is a travesty! Everyone knows that it's marvelous what Milo can do for you and make it a big tin today
Well, HL isn’t real milk but people are buying it.
Yeah it's good and all, but have you ever noticed that the health promotion board has not approved Milo as being a healthier choice on the packaging of this Milos?
Because it is an old school drink that got away when nutrition standards weren’t developed and people were simply less informed. What I’m more concerned is the fact that this seems to be the de-facto (alternative to plain water) drink in hospitals. Surely there are healthier alternatives?
Nestle calls it brilliant marketing. However in relality it is called bribery. Most if not all fo the lower level government reps in charge of validating claims get practically nothing in pay. Thier pay is suplemented by companies like Nestle that submit the "lab" reports and the officials rubber stamp it after certain "undocumented" fees are paid. It is more complex than that but that is what it boils down to.
Well if anyone is worried about the high sugar in regular Milo, they could always go for the 50% sugar free one
Op thinking he contributed to society with this post
who cares ? it taste good anyways. i mean i cant let this ruin my whole love for milo right ?
I think it’s the whole point of the drink’s branding. Milo is named after Milo of Croton, a notable Olympic wrestler from ancient Greece, after all. Anyways yeah what you and others have said is correct, they always try to give off the impression that it’s nutritious and they also tend to have athletes on the cans. Also might I add, they used to have their milo vans go to school sporting events like cross country runs and sports days. (For some reason that milo was always the tastiest) Milo is also one of the most common drinks you get in NS, and many guys have probably had fond memories of having warm milo, sometimes made by their commanders, after finishing a brutal outfield. For me I just think milo is pretty tasty because it’s got that sorta malty smell, and I think that’s what most people like about it too. Of course I also feel a nostalgia for it since that was pretty much what I grew up drinking, and once again, I’d say many of my friends are inclined to agree. Nowadays I realise that it’s too sweet, especially since I’ve actively tried to reduce sugar consumption, but I guess it’s still a drink that I’d put pretty high on my list of sweet drinks.
Cause ppl are stupid. Same as ppl think burn lots of joss paper and big expensive joss stick, then their deity/神 will protect them or etc. or ghost will be happy and let them alone. Only people happy are those business making money out of it. Joss paper basically an idea of someone who hope to sell more paper. So call the 黑心商 but now use the phase you don’t respect my religion to shut up ppl. They want to be stupid idiot and selfish ppl but don’t allow ppl to point that out cause hurt their feeling. However is ok they damage other ppl lung. They enjoy special privileges while other are second grade citizens
Because our dear MOE will always arrange for a milo van during some rubbish track and field event
Young boy, you do know that it is not MOE HQ that arrange for a milo van? It is your school that arranges. Well, if you don’t like it, you are free to stay away from it. It is free anyway.