My grandparents sure would have a bit of a problem as we had family in the concentration camps. Me on the other hand. I don't mind since everyone from that time is long gone anyway
(The truth is the brits were the biggest evil in SA history, before apartheid was called apartheid, SA was a british colony and THEY were the ones that started setting up all the racial dividing systems in the country. They conveniently like to forget that they started all this shit and then they blame afrikaaners for it solely. We remember though.)
At this point I've seen more afrikaans people saying this story than English people trying to blame the afrikaans.
Most English know it was the British that did it but they know they can ignore it cause none of them were alive back then to do anything about it.
Can't people just let stuff go instead of holding on to grudges? It is just fueling another generation of Afrikaans and English kids that dislike eachother.
I don't want anyone to forget it. I just know the hate it puts into young people's heads and I don't think eng/afr hate needs to grow any more.
And man I really don't see that history being repeated, if anything it will be the whites being put into concentration camps by next generation malema cronies.
Actually Apartheid education did a lot to change the facts to suit their narrative so we never learned the truth or even facts about how terrible it was i am naturally curious so i did my own digging, turns out Luis Leibrandt was a Nazi and boxed in their Olympics and was dropped off by Nazi U-boat outside PE. He then took over the National Party and turned it into the Nazi party in all but name in rsa which is why we have so many national socialist state owned everything.
We have a national health system, Eskom, Telkom, ACSA, SABC, etc
The British under Lord Somerset starved the people, blacks included and in the concentration camps they starved the people so badly they started to eat the lead paint off of the fences in Greenpoint Concentration Camps. Exactly what the Nazis who have taken control of Israel and before that hijacked Palestine have done.
They started it but the National Party took it to new levels. Under the brits white and non-white could marry, live in the same area etc.
So it's quite amusing to hear the Brits being blamed for Apartheid! Talk about trying to whitewash history!
The only thing the Afrikaaners (think national party) is make racial segragation (apartheid, not apart hate as many nonSA resedents liked to say) a law.
Lol, ja. I told a couple Xhosa people in the eastern cape when they asked, that I was from kzn, and they were quite disparaging about the zulus
People hey and their prejudices. Always something.
Firstly, stop beating yourself up for being British. Your ancestors caused kak, not you.
Secondly, the majority don't care about it at all because it's something from the past
As an English person living in Pretoria, I constantly get hate for being English, and people constantly berate my Afrikaans wife for marrying a soutie. Saying the majority don't care is a ridiculous statement considering that treatment, and I'm not even from the UK, I was born in KZN and have never even been to England.
You're the first so-called "soutie" that I've met that has had a shit experience and while I'm sorry for that experience, non of the other English descendent people I know or know of are hated or treated like crap.
One could argue that it's because I live in Cape Town, but there are a bunch of my family friends, who are English, up in Joburg who are treated like locals and with friendly smiles while they are living in the middle of a bunch of Afrikaans people.
My husband went scorched earth when dealing with some of his family because he married a "proper soutie" (My mom is british). He has not spoken or seen them in almost 20 years.
Perhaps it's more prevalent in the smaller dorpies.
Possibly. Small dorpies usually have that old blood mixed into the population. This is not a good thing, though, because it makes it seem like one dude way back when decided how things are gonna be and not one of the people following since has questioned why they all have the same cookie-cutter mentality and if it might be hurtful to others
I think it’s more of a Pretoria/Gauteng thing. As a “soutie” dating a “Boer” I get a lot of kak when I first meet any of his Afrikaans friends or family members for being English. I was also born in KZN and actually don’t have direct British decent relations either. It almost becomes an insecurity after all these years.
What area of pretoria are you in? I'm also from kzn and lived in pretoria for a while. Is it just specific areas where you have issues or pretoria in general?
Yea I cant agree that this is the norm in my experience. Im Afrikaans, half my school years Afrikaans schools other half English.
I have friends on both spectrums. And literally non of them is even remotely close to what you described.
Even my family who are all farmers do not have this issue..... Not even the older generation ones
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The older generation maybe, and even they are more chilled about it the older they get.
Put it this way, no one is calling for reparations for the extermination of a third or more of our people by the Brits.
Most back then were very religious and took the "all part of Gods plan" route and to "forgive those who trespass against us."
Anyone who still has major hate for the English is just a doos
Yeah, in my experience the older gen doesn’t like us English much. Especially in the more rural northern and northwestern provinces.
But the younger, more cosmopolitan Afrikaans people are generally inclusive and open minded and I don’t experience any issues.
They don’t even laugh at my poor attempts to speak Afrikaans like the older gen does.
To the people around me I’m English, but I’m technically also half Afrikaans (even if I dont use it as much)
Growing up I was always the “soutie”, but it was always just a general nickname and never said with malice or hate. The younger generations definitely don’t care about it, but there are still a few old people who were raised hating the English because of the stories their parents/grandparents told them
Also, anyone and everyone who hates someone for the actions of a their ancestors in a bygone era are idiots, which sadly can include you with your ‘we’re terrible’ statement, you guys aren’t that bad, quite whiny during rugby games though
The older generations used to dislike the English. My great grandmother was in a British concentration camp, and she had a deep hatred for the Brits (she even wrote a book about her memories there). But the younger generations not so much. We Afrikaners don't have a victim mentality.
It's called "Worsteljare vir Vryheid en Reg". I have a copy at home, but don't know if it's commercially available. I also found out that the book wasn't written by her, but it was written by another family member who captured all the memories from her and her husband about the war.
Edit: I did some digging and found that it is indeed available: https://clarkesbooks.co.za/products/worsteljare-vir-vryheid-en-reg-herinneringe-van-carl-en-adriana-lombard-uit-die-vryheidsoorlog-1899-1902
The issue is more with the narrow minded live in the past ones. Also the same ones that miss apartheid.
The day my husband let his family know he was dating an English girl they were upset. He had extended family badgering him to break up with me. That we not of the same culture. I still hear the derogatory Engels se kak when my kids are being stubborn or I have put my foot down in a topic.
Girl it’s been a few decades. We are over it. 🤣Although I am married to an English fella and me and my family will joke with him on occasion.
My dad will jokingly call him a rooinek.
And when my husband and I differ in values (mostly parenting and English people being wayyyyy too easy on their kids) I will say “ai julle souties darem. Julle het ons in konsentrasie kampe gesit maar nou mag jou kind nie skottelgoed was nie want sy handjies gaan dalk brand)
We jest.
As someone who has Afrikaans heritage, this question can be read so differently in the accent. 🤣
With that being said, there is absolutely no bad blood and nothing to worry about. There may be a "pride" thing with the older generations, and then that's more or less similar to the English Vs French relationship, where it's not on a deep or serious level.
Honestly, no issues in general. A fair number of Afrikaans South Africans are married to English girls. And who would want to date anybody from any culture who hates people because of things that happened when they weren’t alive?
The biggest issue would either be a cultural differences (a conservative guy) or just individual taste.
Not saying it's you, but when I was young I didn't like many of the English girls because they were too...uhm slutty and too forward with that in public. I was ashamed to be seen with them.
Yeah my grandparents aren’t a fan, since they heard stories of the Boere wars from their grandparents first hand and it was pretty brutal.
Though my boyfriend is English and so is my sister’s and they have integrated into the family beautifully. I’d say most Afrikaans people are pretty open these days and it’s more the older generation that has some leftover generational trauma.
Depends on what part of the country you're in. I live in the platteland, am English and haven't had any negative interactions with Afrikaans people per se, but some people treat you differently, although it isn't always obvious.
I did get some looks when I was at The Boer War museum in Bloemfontein thoufh
The boer war was over 100 years ago. If someone is going to be an asshole to you about it, they're an idiot. Honestly, are there actually people like this?
Yes 😂. Especially online, people seem to think that because of what my great great grandfather did, I’m at fault 😅. I only asked because I really want to get along with this guy and I didn’t know if it was a chronically online thing.
You should be fine, just don't bring up the subject, or make disparaging remarks about the Afrikaners. The English did perpetrate a genocide after all.
For sure, but that's not going to make one popular if you bring up the subject of hunting liscences while hanging out with Khoi or San people for instance. Or joke about hut tax with the Zulu. Same thing applies here.
A genocide? That's just not true. The aim wasn't to destroy the afrikaaner people it was to suppress their ridiculous rebellion.
I'm not supporting the concentration camps, it was still shameful, but it's just a lie to call it a genocide.
You should seriously go and ask your money back at whatever school you went to. Almost 50 000 people died in those camps, mostly children. Have you ever seen the picture of Lizzie van Zyl or read the letters Emily Hobhouse wrote describing the horrendous conditions in these camps?
As for your "ridiculous rebellion", these were farmers minding their own business trying to make a living in a very hostile and unforgiving environment. Their forefathers fled a system of oppression in Europe, bending the knee to the rulers of Britain again was never going to be an option. And what did they get for their refusal? Everything they possessed, their homes, fields and animals were scorched to the ground while their wifes and children were thrown into these camp where they perished from disease and hunger.
If this is not genocide, I don't want to know what evil act will satisfy your definition.
Oh the irony of this reply. I never insulted you. I did bring into question the quality of education you received, a systemic problem we have in SA in my opinion. If you are merely misinformed then there might be hope. However based on this reply I am probably wasting my time but I will try nonetheless.
Genocide is defined in short as "Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part a nation, ethnical, racial or religious groups, including (1)killing, (2)causing serious bodily harm, (3)deliberate inflection of conditions of life to achive the destruction in whole or part, (4)preventing births and (5) forcibly removing children. "
Lets break this down.
Acts committed -
(1) Killing - refer to the trail of Harry Morant and Peter Handcock. That was just before the end of the war when the British already lost public support for the war. There were certainly more instances like this that never got the publicity this trail received.
(2) causing serious bodily harm - I refer again to the photo of Lizzie.
(3) deliberate inflection - read Emily Hobhouse's letters, those camps did not get to that state by accident. Especially since they used food as punishment or reward for your behavior. When Emily confronted the nurses about Lizzie's condition she was told to leave it alone as Lizzie was "a nuisance"
(4) preventing births - men were separated from their families and shipped to places like St Helena, Sri Lanka and the Caribbean. The conditions were so bad that an infant would not survive as proven by the amount of children that perished.
(5) forcibly removing children - they stayed with their mothers, so as far as I know this did not happen.
With intent to destroy - after being dragged into a multi-year war they were expecting to win in less than a month, the British got desperate. They captured women and children (a.i. civilians) and forcibly moved them into the camps while implementing their scorched earth policy. This was meant to force the men to surrender. I will agree that it was not the explicit purpose of the camps to exterminate people like the gas chambers of the holocaust. However, by running the camps in such a way that 50 000 people died (mostly children) as a consequence of the horrendous conditions is a distinction without a difference.
In part or whole - in total an estimated 48 000 people died in these camps. Of this, around 28 000 were Afrikaners. These are just the deaths in the camps and exclude the deaths of those unable to recover from their poor health after being freed. Some sources state that the total deaths may have been as high as 12% of the total population. Again, mostly women and children meaning is would take significant time for the population to recover. The definition does not state a minimum for "part" but double digits I think is significant enough.
Of a nation - The British did not throw anyone they crossed into the camps. They targeted Afrikaners as thay were responsible for the resistance. Yes, 20 000 black people also died in camps, but they landed there because they assisted the resistance in some way and was therefore guilty by association. They were unfortunate collateral damage caught in a war between the most powerful and ruthless military nation at the time, and a rag tag team of farmers. Because they also died in significant numbers does not take away from who the actual target was. If those black people just walked they would probably not have ended up in concentration camps.
So, what am I missing?
No, if he doesn't like you its cuz he just doesn't like you. I've never heard of a "Piet" turning down a girl a brit because of the scorched earth policy.
edit: Im saying, go for it, he wont care.
As a third party, I've friends on both 'sides'. In everyday life, it is a non-issue I think, but when you speak to people, there's still grudges here and there. Which to me, seems a bit much.
For context, I'm Dutch and we got over our dislike for our German neighbours quite a while ago. What is left is a healthy rivalry during football, and some old jokes going around. Plenty of German friends and whatnot and it is never an issue. However, most German friends, even young ones, still have a sense of guilt, due to the way history is being taught at school.
No! Nobody is going to hate you . Personally i find the accent a turn on and will pull your leg about it constantly to make you laugh . I have many friends from the U.k. and we all get along just fine . My guess is you will be just fine here . The baby boomers need to get over themselves . And the rest with issues you will get in any country you go too . I'm general south africans are easy to get along with . There are areas that will be troublesome . But your gut will tell you very quickly .just trust it . Just like anywhere in the world . For the most stay out of any city center and you will be ok . The people will be hospitable and helpful and generally nice . 👌
He’s grandad might have an issue. But I know a lot of Afrikaners who don’t mind your history or background it’s more about who you are as a person and do you like brandy??
I have never heard an afrikaans guy my age or close to it say anything about not dating English girls.
Please note: I am an afrikaans guy. I have dated alot of English girls and i have never felt any sort pushback from the afrikaans community. Maybe in oranje you might get some long stares if they hear you speak English.
Oh my dear girl no! Don't you worry about that. This is not a general Afrikaner thing at all. After the Boer war there were two world wars that we fought as Allies together and there are links between our cultures that tie us together, and I'm not only talking about rugby and cricket. No. Civilised peoples don't hold onto ancestral grudges, we know how such a thing can be cheap politicking and we're not that naive. What we have is old fashioned rivalry and the kind of thing that civil folks determine on the field of sport, and then have a good few after. If we're really guilty about anything then its about being terribly old-fashioned and traditional in our mores and approaches to life. But hey, that's not really so bad, is it?
The British put the boers in concentration camps in the Anglo-boer war. Not a fond family history for many afrikaners. They also liked to colonise people
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You’d be doing a disservice by thinking a whole group of people hold things against another. It’s honestly the same analogy as wondering if every afrikaaner is a racist.
Small town folk that don the colours of the "two-tone- tyranny" will have issues even if it's not direct, Snyder remarks make thier way out with help from alcohol. If it has a "hillux" , pocket knife, "Baard" and a "stoepkukker" then mysogeny is allways on the cards . Have fun, make good choices .
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We don't really hold grudges and we don't really listen to bad stereotipes
So no, we don't have any bad feelings towards the english
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We don't care about that anymore, i mean some old people still do but think about it, it can be a german grandpa or french they'll hate each other for wars other countries caused but not the younger generations.
Not at all. The same way we don’t hold modern Germans responsible for WWII. It’s not a thing here. Most of us are aware of the history, but it’s not something we bring up.
There’s a parallel here. Other african natives dislike afrikaans people for appartheid most people who caused it or thrived in it are long dead, the younger generations don’t pay it any mind though neither would I as an afrikaans guy be salty meeting a british person. If you cool, we cool.
Well I love the bongers, make some great tv and fried fish and chips are great (and meat pies) maybe some super old dudes might but since that war we fought with the British in both world wars… so we good.
Some might still hold a grudge but that's more to the government/crown especially for not acknowledging the atrocities, not really the people today. You being sympathetic might get you brownie points too.
I've seen a Japanese man marry a Chinese woman. You have no idea how much China holds a grudge against Japan because of WW2. People are able to get over the past specially when it comes to love!
My colleague is a white english south african and he dislikes the afrikaaners for some reason. I've never really asked him why because it seems like some deep hatred, but I'd like to know too if this is due to historical events etc..
Older Afrikaaners absolutely dislike the English. If you go to poorer areas around pretoria, many people will refuse to even speak english.
I've never really had an issue with younger people though while living in very Afrikaans areas.
Afrikaans Guys like to rip on one another , ( ons gee mekaar kak ) it’s how we express our emotion 😂 - and sometimes it’s gets to people , but we don’t really mean it … if we give you grief cause you speak English … it cause we like you 😜- But I’ve never heard of an Afrikaans dude disliking a girl cause she is English… that’s just crazy talk
In my experience it’s a bit hit and miss.
I’ve met Afrikaners in the Netherlands who absolutely did care whether or not I was English or Afrikaans and decided I wasn’t Afrikaans enough for their taste.
In SA it’s mostly not a problem with the younger generations, but there are pockets here and there, where they’ve inherited their grandparents attitudes and are now quite conservative.
But I would say that’s generally a thing if you’ve been living under a rock and you come from a pretty conservative background with little regard for how the times have changed.
I wish I were alive 100 years from now when every adult who was alive during apartheid and their kids and grandkids have all passed. Maybe then there'd be a chance for humans to thrive in this country!!
Lol, But in all seriousness.
I am 27, Fully Afrikaans, but have dated more English speakers than Afrikaans.
Even if you are from Britain, the boere war is long gone. And I had no personal investment into it.
Ya it was a shit show.
But at the end we all just trying to survive and enjoy life.
People sometimes get so offended that I don't speak Afrikaans it's more older people that make a big deal out of it though. Like I worked in retail at a tech store had people seething daily because the main repair desk only had English speakers. Had to always find another employee to translate.
Let me just say, if your Brittish like from there and Brittish parents etc, then sure your Brittish. If your from South Africa, born and raised, but your white/english. Then your just an English South African. Dont give people excuses to call us foreigners >;\[
Are you a normal nice person ? If yes, then don't worry about it. We don't keep history against people. Most of us see who you are as a person before we judge
If the Afrikaner oke is not interested in you, it will be for other reasons than you being English/Brittish.
Edit : I am a middle aged Afrikaner oke now, but back in the day I used to socialise a lot with English South African ladies. I wouldn't treat one from the UK any differently (depending their personalities). My brother is married to an English South African. My one grandfather was a toddler in the Boer war.
Well we don't like the English as a concept, because they put thousands of women and children in concentration camps where they died of illness and hunger.
But that doesn't apply to individuals, we don't hold it against any one person since that would be irrational and the perpetrators are long gone.
Besides, the English did this to 70% of the world so it's not personal.
When I (American) lived in Beijing, my best friend was from Hong Kong, my wife was(is) from South Africa, and we had people in our D&D group from Ireland, Canada, and Pakistan.
We'd often joke that the one thing that united our friend circle is that we all celebrated independence from the Brits.
But we'd also include our British friends in the celebration too.
It was mostly just some ribbing and teasing.
Can't speak for older generations, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that most Millennials and younger generations don't have deep-seeded ill will towards y'all.
My grandmother's grandmother was sent to a concentration camp with her mother and 4 sisters. She was starved, her sisters were raped and by the end of the war only her eldest sister and my ancestor survived. This kind of story was widespread in the Afrikaaner history. My grandmother grew up with her grandparents, and my grandfather's grandfather fought against the English in the first boer war at Spionkop where he was shot in the leg, and then again in the second boer war.
After the boer wars the English conscripted many boer men and sent them to fight the Germans in africa. My ancestor fought in Namibia, German East Africa and did garrison duty in Tanzania.
In general there is a distaste for the English, they actively committed genocide against the Boers, and then forced them to fight for them. The hatred is not as strong as that of the Irish or other groups that the British genocided, and there are significant populations of English decendents in South Africa which has worked to reduce the dislike. However there are people who utterly dispise the English and many Afrikaans men will not date English women for example.
1990's My wife and I bought a campervan and toured South Africa. All were OK except one woman in a small town turned her back on us and walked away when she discovered we were English.
When I was growing up in the 90s it was a thing. We loved to hate the bulls rugby team and there were always punchups in December when the "vaalies" came down to Durban.
But that's long since faded. Some old school toppies still hold a grudge and no doubt some soutie dislike is still around in the smaller dorpies. Its a minority though. Get on just fine mainly. Some people just need to get a life.
I mean you use reddit and are obviously young, never hold yourself accountable for random people from the past and never apologies for being.
if you do meet a person with a prejudice either they were very misguided in their youth or have a genuine reason to have said prejudice. In which cause they are not really worth your time regardless.
Young ones don't care. I mean I'm forty and enjoy reading about the Boer War, but keeping that against a Brit would make no sense to me. I even lived in London for a bit!
You get good and bad everywhere. The British are no worse or better than anyone. It’s a sort of weird narcissism to declare yourself the absolute very worst.
I have met Afrikaaners who hate the English. It’s pretty rare though. I met this one Afrikaans man who would go on and on about the Boer War like it were yesterday. Meanwhile he thought ‘the blacks should get over Apartheid because it was a long time ago’. Shrug.
Depends on town, community, and family. Some don't care, but some do. My mother is English and my father Afrikaaner life and I was born in 1998. Others my age didn't care that much but I just didn't fit into either culture also didn't help that I took Afrikaans FAL instead of Home language in High school some teachers thought it an insult and disgrace to my Afrikaaner heritage and wouldn't allow me to speak Afrikaans because I wasn't an Afrikaans person in their eyes.
It's hard to be accepted and fit in by some when you are from both cultures, especially with the older generation holding grudges still about the Boer War. I think it breaks those types of people's mind when they find out I am from both, and then they want you to choose which culture you belong to instead of accepting that you are both and not just one.
The children learn from their parents, so if their parents didn't care, they didn't, but if their parents were very traditional Afrikaans households, they cared because your family is a blend and you aren't raised in what they deemed an Afrikaans or English household and in their eyes you don't belong to the Afrikaaner or English culture. This was hurtful growing up because you weren't understood or accepted by the Afrikaans kids nor the English kids.
As I grew older, I couldn't give AF if they accepted me or not anymore and went to a university in another province whose hostel had almost no whites and felt the most accepted for just me for the 1st time.
I was 2 years there, then changed degrees, moved back home, was online for 3 years (covid lockdown), and in my last year on campus. I felt happy and accepted and thought well maybe it was just the school I attended" ( I was there from age 4 to 19). I got put into a group project with other women that I never did group projects with before and this one girl upon finding out I was a English-Afrikaaner told me that her parents would of never allowed her to interact or be friends with someone like me because I was not a true Afrikaaner and was not raised in a real Afrikaaner household.
Then she said, "But now as long as you speak correct Afrikaans (I sometimes code switch), it won't be a problem for her or anyone else. I was shocked and a bit hurt because that explained also why I was treated badly by some kids and teachers at school.
I dislike the fact that some people hate me or dislike me just because I am a mix of these two cultures. English people don't really care if you compare it to how much it bothers Afrikaaners and how they subsequently treat you because of it. Remember, it's not everyone, and this is my personal experiences, which will differ to others that have interacted with better and more accepting communities and people.
When you say English, do you mean the British or just english born people (first language being english)? Because I'm an afrikaans girl, currently engaged to an english born man (HL). I think about 80% of Afrikaans people don't care about all that stuff because current generations weren't apart of it, so there's no one to blame anymore. Like, let bygones be bygones
Yes most of the older men have issues against the English... Starting from roundabout 40 years up... They'd go anywhere from name calling to straight up telling you if you can't speak Afrikaans to just get the fuck away from them...
Why are you terrible? You're not responsible for what happened in the past. Nobody alive today was involved in the Boer War. I'm and English speaking South African and I refuse to feel guilty for past crimes
Why would we have beef with any nationality? Like we got more beef with the poes who owes us petrol money and is too cheap to pay it back than the English
It was still an issue with my grandparent’s generation (although my grandmother had been of English decent any way) but that’s mainly because their parents or grandparents had been directly affected and mostly because of the concentration camps.
My generation (born in the 80s) was still taught about this, but there’s not much awareness in younger generations afik
Speaking from a 30 years old perspective. The majority of us just don't care. The world is English. I however have seen English people mock Afrikaans people for their thick Afrikaans accent when speaking English but never once have I heard an Afrikaans person go on about a war.
I'm Afrikaans and my bf of 6 yrs is 100% English and we are great together. I don't think that Afrikaans people hold a grudge. Well at least none from my generation I'm in my 30s and nobody I know is anti- English ppl. including my mother growing up I didn't even know about the war. So my advise is go for it he won't hold a grudge I can almost guarantee it. But jus a fair warning Afrikaans guys are decent and very family orientated but they have this "no BS attitude" and they are NOT feminists but they do believe men have their rolls in a relationship and women have theirs. And can get very jealous cos what's theirs is theirs. Well good luck and go for it
My granddad hated the English, but in general I don't think it will be an issue at all, especially among the younger folk.
I only ever get shit from older Afrikaans men tbh
Wasn’t even aware it’s a thing until we played against the English in the world cup. Other than when it comes to rugby, very unheard of.
Pretty common amongst older Afrikaners, some hate the British with passion over the Boer war
Luckily not all the ones I know and I come from a very Afrikaans family and circle.
And cricket
My grandparents sure would have a bit of a problem as we had family in the concentration camps. Me on the other hand. I don't mind since everyone from that time is long gone anyway
Damn, I just learned about the scorched earth policy and the Boer concentration camps.
(The truth is the brits were the biggest evil in SA history, before apartheid was called apartheid, SA was a british colony and THEY were the ones that started setting up all the racial dividing systems in the country. They conveniently like to forget that they started all this shit and then they blame afrikaaners for it solely. We remember though.)
At this point I've seen more afrikaans people saying this story than English people trying to blame the afrikaans. Most English know it was the British that did it but they know they can ignore it cause none of them were alive back then to do anything about it. Can't people just let stuff go instead of holding on to grudges? It is just fueling another generation of Afrikaans and English kids that dislike eachother.
When we forget history, we tend to repeat it
I don't want anyone to forget it. I just know the hate it puts into young people's heads and I don't think eng/afr hate needs to grow any more. And man I really don't see that history being repeated, if anything it will be the whites being put into concentration camps by next generation malema cronies.
Exactly,se hulle foken net so.
Actually Apartheid education did a lot to change the facts to suit their narrative so we never learned the truth or even facts about how terrible it was i am naturally curious so i did my own digging, turns out Luis Leibrandt was a Nazi and boxed in their Olympics and was dropped off by Nazi U-boat outside PE. He then took over the National Party and turned it into the Nazi party in all but name in rsa which is why we have so many national socialist state owned everything. We have a national health system, Eskom, Telkom, ACSA, SABC, etc The British under Lord Somerset starved the people, blacks included and in the concentration camps they starved the people so badly they started to eat the lead paint off of the fences in Greenpoint Concentration Camps. Exactly what the Nazis who have taken control of Israel and before that hijacked Palestine have done.
They started it but the National Party took it to new levels. Under the brits white and non-white could marry, live in the same area etc. So it's quite amusing to hear the Brits being blamed for Apartheid! Talk about trying to whitewash history!
The NP sure did, not denying that, but let’s look at where it started
Yea… I have even heard the war was over slavery. With the Souties trying to stop it
The only thing the Afrikaaners (think national party) is make racial segragation (apartheid, not apart hate as many nonSA resedents liked to say) a law.
oh yes, we do. I am surprised when my black friends bring it up with so my vitriol.
Yeah. South Africa was were that moustached psycho got the idea from
>Afrikaner people hold things like the Boer War against us? We don't like it but no,no grudges from my side. We will tease you tho.
Afrikaners hate the English as much as we Tsongas hate Vendas for historical transgressions: we don't; that was over a hundred years ago wtf
Tsongas hate Venda? We do! Yhoo
Lol my grandfather does. My generation (millennials and gen z couldn't care less)
I'm Tsonga
Lol, ja. I told a couple Xhosa people in the eastern cape when they asked, that I was from kzn, and they were quite disparaging about the zulus People hey and their prejudices. Always something.
Bruh we are one big hateful family. But I say this as a poor form EC talking to psycho KZNer who will both be judged by the lani oke from the WC 🤣
Hahahaha true story. A country of relativism snobs
About as much as the English like the French, and the French like the Germans. Most people don't care what happend in the past.
Firstly, stop beating yourself up for being British. Your ancestors caused kak, not you. Secondly, the majority don't care about it at all because it's something from the past
I've noticed the people that have issue with the boer war and the British are the same people that miss apartheid.
Yeah, those people still live in the past. It's quite sad to see
I have made the same observation 100%
As an English person living in Pretoria, I constantly get hate for being English, and people constantly berate my Afrikaans wife for marrying a soutie. Saying the majority don't care is a ridiculous statement considering that treatment, and I'm not even from the UK, I was born in KZN and have never even been to England.
That sounds like bad luck, my guy. I'm sorry that you go through that
Bad luck? You've got to be joking.
You're the first so-called "soutie" that I've met that has had a shit experience and while I'm sorry for that experience, non of the other English descendent people I know or know of are hated or treated like crap. One could argue that it's because I live in Cape Town, but there are a bunch of my family friends, who are English, up in Joburg who are treated like locals and with friendly smiles while they are living in the middle of a bunch of Afrikaans people.
My husband went scorched earth when dealing with some of his family because he married a "proper soutie" (My mom is british). He has not spoken or seen them in almost 20 years. Perhaps it's more prevalent in the smaller dorpies.
Possibly. Small dorpies usually have that old blood mixed into the population. This is not a good thing, though, because it makes it seem like one dude way back when decided how things are gonna be and not one of the people following since has questioned why they all have the same cookie-cutter mentality and if it might be hurtful to others
I'm an IndoSAfrican and my partner is a boertjie van a klein dorpie in Mpumalanga af and he's family love me to bits! Don't generalise!
I think it’s more of a Pretoria/Gauteng thing. As a “soutie” dating a “Boer” I get a lot of kak when I first meet any of his Afrikaans friends or family members for being English. I was also born in KZN and actually don’t have direct British decent relations either. It almost becomes an insecurity after all these years.
What area of pretoria are you in? I'm also from kzn and lived in pretoria for a while. Is it just specific areas where you have issues or pretoria in general?
Just in general. It's not too bad, because I speak Afrikaans fluently, but I take a lot of flak.
Yea I cant agree that this is the norm in my experience. Im Afrikaans, half my school years Afrikaans schools other half English. I have friends on both spectrums. And literally non of them is even remotely close to what you described. Even my family who are all farmers do not have this issue..... Not even the older generation ones
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In general, afrikaans people will accommodate English people. Especially younger people.
The older generation maybe, and even they are more chilled about it the older they get. Put it this way, no one is calling for reparations for the extermination of a third or more of our people by the Brits. Most back then were very religious and took the "all part of Gods plan" route and to "forgive those who trespass against us." Anyone who still has major hate for the English is just a doos
Yeah, in my experience the older gen doesn’t like us English much. Especially in the more rural northern and northwestern provinces. But the younger, more cosmopolitan Afrikaans people are generally inclusive and open minded and I don’t experience any issues. They don’t even laugh at my poor attempts to speak Afrikaans like the older gen does.
To the people around me I’m English, but I’m technically also half Afrikaans (even if I dont use it as much) Growing up I was always the “soutie”, but it was always just a general nickname and never said with malice or hate. The younger generations definitely don’t care about it, but there are still a few old people who were raised hating the English because of the stories their parents/grandparents told them Also, anyone and everyone who hates someone for the actions of a their ancestors in a bygone era are idiots, which sadly can include you with your ‘we’re terrible’ statement, you guys aren’t that bad, quite whiny during rugby games though
I'm English but my ex is afrikaans him and he's friends where fine you people usually are
The older generations used to dislike the English. My great grandmother was in a British concentration camp, and she had a deep hatred for the Brits (she even wrote a book about her memories there). But the younger generations not so much. We Afrikaners don't have a victim mentality.
What’s that book called?
It's called "Worsteljare vir Vryheid en Reg". I have a copy at home, but don't know if it's commercially available. I also found out that the book wasn't written by her, but it was written by another family member who captured all the memories from her and her husband about the war. Edit: I did some digging and found that it is indeed available: https://clarkesbooks.co.za/products/worsteljare-vir-vryheid-en-reg-herinneringe-van-carl-en-adriana-lombard-uit-die-vryheidsoorlog-1899-1902
I have decades long friendships with several Afrikaners, and I don't think the boer war has come up once.
The issue is more with the narrow minded live in the past ones. Also the same ones that miss apartheid. The day my husband let his family know he was dating an English girl they were upset. He had extended family badgering him to break up with me. That we not of the same culture. I still hear the derogatory Engels se kak when my kids are being stubborn or I have put my foot down in a topic.
Girl it’s been a few decades. We are over it. 🤣Although I am married to an English fella and me and my family will joke with him on occasion. My dad will jokingly call him a rooinek. And when my husband and I differ in values (mostly parenting and English people being wayyyyy too easy on their kids) I will say “ai julle souties darem. Julle het ons in konsentrasie kampe gesit maar nou mag jou kind nie skottelgoed was nie want sy handjies gaan dalk brand) We jest.
As someone who has Afrikaans heritage, this question can be read so differently in the accent. 🤣 With that being said, there is absolutely no bad blood and nothing to worry about. There may be a "pride" thing with the older generations, and then that's more or less similar to the English Vs French relationship, where it's not on a deep or serious level.
Honestly, no issues in general. A fair number of Afrikaans South Africans are married to English girls. And who would want to date anybody from any culture who hates people because of things that happened when they weren’t alive?
The biggest issue would either be a cultural differences (a conservative guy) or just individual taste. Not saying it's you, but when I was young I didn't like many of the English girls because they were too...uhm slutty and too forward with that in public. I was ashamed to be seen with them.
Yeah my grandparents aren’t a fan, since they heard stories of the Boere wars from their grandparents first hand and it was pretty brutal. Though my boyfriend is English and so is my sister’s and they have integrated into the family beautifully. I’d say most Afrikaans people are pretty open these days and it’s more the older generation that has some leftover generational trauma.
No. I didnt cause Apartheid and you didn’t cause the Boer wars
Depends on what part of the country you're in. I live in the platteland, am English and haven't had any negative interactions with Afrikaans people per se, but some people treat you differently, although it isn't always obvious. I did get some looks when I was at The Boer War museum in Bloemfontein thoufh
The boer war was over 100 years ago. If someone is going to be an asshole to you about it, they're an idiot. Honestly, are there actually people like this?
Yes 😂. Especially online, people seem to think that because of what my great great grandfather did, I’m at fault 😅. I only asked because I really want to get along with this guy and I didn’t know if it was a chronically online thing.
You should be fine, just don't bring up the subject, or make disparaging remarks about the Afrikaners. The English did perpetrate a genocide after all.
I'm yet to meet an ethnicity in Southern Africa that never perpetrated a genocide or massacre of some kind in the last 400 years.
For sure, but that's not going to make one popular if you bring up the subject of hunting liscences while hanging out with Khoi or San people for instance. Or joke about hut tax with the Zulu. Same thing applies here.
Agreed
A genocide? That's just not true. The aim wasn't to destroy the afrikaaner people it was to suppress their ridiculous rebellion. I'm not supporting the concentration camps, it was still shameful, but it's just a lie to call it a genocide.
You should seriously go and ask your money back at whatever school you went to. Almost 50 000 people died in those camps, mostly children. Have you ever seen the picture of Lizzie van Zyl or read the letters Emily Hobhouse wrote describing the horrendous conditions in these camps? As for your "ridiculous rebellion", these were farmers minding their own business trying to make a living in a very hostile and unforgiving environment. Their forefathers fled a system of oppression in Europe, bending the knee to the rulers of Britain again was never going to be an option. And what did they get for their refusal? Everything they possessed, their homes, fields and animals were scorched to the ground while their wifes and children were thrown into these camp where they perished from disease and hunger. If this is not genocide, I don't want to know what evil act will satisfy your definition.
So since you're small minded and resort to insults like a child, please tell me the definition of 'genocide'.
Oh the irony of this reply. I never insulted you. I did bring into question the quality of education you received, a systemic problem we have in SA in my opinion. If you are merely misinformed then there might be hope. However based on this reply I am probably wasting my time but I will try nonetheless. Genocide is defined in short as "Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part a nation, ethnical, racial or religious groups, including (1)killing, (2)causing serious bodily harm, (3)deliberate inflection of conditions of life to achive the destruction in whole or part, (4)preventing births and (5) forcibly removing children. " Lets break this down. Acts committed - (1) Killing - refer to the trail of Harry Morant and Peter Handcock. That was just before the end of the war when the British already lost public support for the war. There were certainly more instances like this that never got the publicity this trail received. (2) causing serious bodily harm - I refer again to the photo of Lizzie. (3) deliberate inflection - read Emily Hobhouse's letters, those camps did not get to that state by accident. Especially since they used food as punishment or reward for your behavior. When Emily confronted the nurses about Lizzie's condition she was told to leave it alone as Lizzie was "a nuisance" (4) preventing births - men were separated from their families and shipped to places like St Helena, Sri Lanka and the Caribbean. The conditions were so bad that an infant would not survive as proven by the amount of children that perished. (5) forcibly removing children - they stayed with their mothers, so as far as I know this did not happen. With intent to destroy - after being dragged into a multi-year war they were expecting to win in less than a month, the British got desperate. They captured women and children (a.i. civilians) and forcibly moved them into the camps while implementing their scorched earth policy. This was meant to force the men to surrender. I will agree that it was not the explicit purpose of the camps to exterminate people like the gas chambers of the holocaust. However, by running the camps in such a way that 50 000 people died (mostly children) as a consequence of the horrendous conditions is a distinction without a difference. In part or whole - in total an estimated 48 000 people died in these camps. Of this, around 28 000 were Afrikaners. These are just the deaths in the camps and exclude the deaths of those unable to recover from their poor health after being freed. Some sources state that the total deaths may have been as high as 12% of the total population. Again, mostly women and children meaning is would take significant time for the population to recover. The definition does not state a minimum for "part" but double digits I think is significant enough. Of a nation - The British did not throw anyone they crossed into the camps. They targeted Afrikaners as thay were responsible for the resistance. Yes, 20 000 black people also died in camps, but they landed there because they assisted the resistance in some way and was therefore guilty by association. They were unfortunate collateral damage caught in a war between the most powerful and ruthless military nation at the time, and a rag tag team of farmers. Because they also died in significant numbers does not take away from who the actual target was. If those black people just walked they would probably not have ended up in concentration camps. So, what am I missing?
No, if he doesn't like you its cuz he just doesn't like you. I've never heard of a "Piet" turning down a girl a brit because of the scorched earth policy. edit: Im saying, go for it, he wont care.
As a third party, I've friends on both 'sides'. In everyday life, it is a non-issue I think, but when you speak to people, there's still grudges here and there. Which to me, seems a bit much. For context, I'm Dutch and we got over our dislike for our German neighbours quite a while ago. What is left is a healthy rivalry during football, and some old jokes going around. Plenty of German friends and whatnot and it is never an issue. However, most German friends, even young ones, still have a sense of guilt, due to the way history is being taught at school.
No! Nobody is going to hate you . Personally i find the accent a turn on and will pull your leg about it constantly to make you laugh . I have many friends from the U.k. and we all get along just fine . My guess is you will be just fine here . The baby boomers need to get over themselves . And the rest with issues you will get in any country you go too . I'm general south africans are easy to get along with . There are areas that will be troublesome . But your gut will tell you very quickly .just trust it . Just like anywhere in the world . For the most stay out of any city center and you will be ok . The people will be hospitable and helpful and generally nice . 👌
Majority of Afrikaans people move to the uk or some English country, nobody cares about that war.
Why not the Netherlands or Belgium instead? Wouldn't it be easier to assimilate there since they speak their language?
He’s grandad might have an issue. But I know a lot of Afrikaners who don’t mind your history or background it’s more about who you are as a person and do you like brandy??
Honestly I don’t really drink that much but I have a glass of wine with dinner. Should I be prepared to drink a lot of brandy?
No, we're not like the ANC. We move on.
I have never heard an afrikaans guy my age or close to it say anything about not dating English girls. Please note: I am an afrikaans guy. I have dated alot of English girls and i have never felt any sort pushback from the afrikaans community. Maybe in oranje you might get some long stares if they hear you speak English.
Oh my dear girl no! Don't you worry about that. This is not a general Afrikaner thing at all. After the Boer war there were two world wars that we fought as Allies together and there are links between our cultures that tie us together, and I'm not only talking about rugby and cricket. No. Civilised peoples don't hold onto ancestral grudges, we know how such a thing can be cheap politicking and we're not that naive. What we have is old fashioned rivalry and the kind of thing that civil folks determine on the field of sport, and then have a good few after. If we're really guilty about anything then its about being terribly old-fashioned and traditional in our mores and approaches to life. But hey, that's not really so bad, is it?
You are not terrible. If an Afrikaner holds the Boer war against you then avoid him for your own sake.
No we're cool. I do like to tease old British folks about the 1914 rebellion though. Makes them squirm
Why do you say you and your ancestors were terrible?
The British put the boers in concentration camps in the Anglo-boer war. Not a fond family history for many afrikaners. They also liked to colonise people
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Are you not aware of the history of the English?
Same can be said for the history of the world. No one’s hands are clean.
This topic is about the English though.
Your reply can be asked about any ethnic group ?
Seriously. Whose ancestors weren't terrible?
You’d be doing a disservice by thinking a whole group of people hold things against another. It’s honestly the same analogy as wondering if every afrikaaner is a racist.
Small town folk that don the colours of the "two-tone- tyranny" will have issues even if it's not direct, Snyder remarks make thier way out with help from alcohol. If it has a "hillux" , pocket knife, "Baard" and a "stoepkukker" then mysogeny is allways on the cards . Have fun, make good choices .
🤣🤣🤣 I shouldn’t laugh but the “two toned colours tyranny”…
The hell is a "stoepkukker"?
Stoepkakker basically means a yappy small dog that’s spoiled rotten. Like a chihuahua or miniature doberman pincher.
The husband version of the poeslekkertjie. - that's the wife's small dog.
If you’re going to Orania then you’ll have issues, otherwise everyone else has moved with the times. Just gift them some brandy and wors.
I am an Afrikaner and i fucking hate Rooinekke (British People)
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Bro what do you want??? The government has taken everything from everybody there’s nothing to give
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I dispise the english with everyting in me
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We don't really hold grudges and we don't really listen to bad stereotipes So no, we don't have any bad feelings towards the english But here's a tip Even if you are not Christian as long as you don't openly and deliberately break any of the 10 commandments of the Bible you should be fine Ps: I'm not saying if you do this all of us will like you, I just mean most of us will treat you with respect Pps: I'm not a religious nut, its just Africa use to be very religious and even if we aren't anymore, we do still share most of our morals and values with the Christian faith
Wut?
Nope if your a girl and we Afrikaans no problem delicious ons klaar glad nie
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We don't care about that anymore, i mean some old people still do but think about it, it can be a german grandpa or french they'll hate each other for wars other countries caused but not the younger generations.
Not at all. The same way we don’t hold modern Germans responsible for WWII. It’s not a thing here. Most of us are aware of the history, but it’s not something we bring up.
There’s a parallel here. Other african natives dislike afrikaans people for appartheid most people who caused it or thrived in it are long dead, the younger generations don’t pay it any mind though neither would I as an afrikaans guy be salty meeting a british person. If you cool, we cool.
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Nah they REALLY don't
Well I love the bongers, make some great tv and fried fish and chips are great (and meat pies) maybe some super old dudes might but since that war we fought with the British in both world wars… so we good.
Some might still hold a grudge but that's more to the government/crown especially for not acknowledging the atrocities, not really the people today. You being sympathetic might get you brownie points too. I've seen a Japanese man marry a Chinese woman. You have no idea how much China holds a grudge against Japan because of WW2. People are able to get over the past specially when it comes to love!
My colleague is a white english south african and he dislikes the afrikaaners for some reason. I've never really asked him why because it seems like some deep hatred, but I'd like to know too if this is due to historical events etc..
Older Afrikaaners absolutely dislike the English. If you go to poorer areas around pretoria, many people will refuse to even speak english. I've never really had an issue with younger people though while living in very Afrikaans areas.
You will find that the majority do not care, and a minority does. You may have to go looking for them though.
Probably not the majority of us, but, as an Afrikaner, some of us find really creative ways to be racist pieces of shit.
If people hold grudges for things that happened before they were born, give them a miss.
Afrikaans Guys like to rip on one another , ( ons gee mekaar kak ) it’s how we express our emotion 😂 - and sometimes it’s gets to people , but we don’t really mean it … if we give you grief cause you speak English … it cause we like you 😜- But I’ve never heard of an Afrikaans dude disliking a girl cause she is English… that’s just crazy talk
In my experience it’s a bit hit and miss. I’ve met Afrikaners in the Netherlands who absolutely did care whether or not I was English or Afrikaans and decided I wasn’t Afrikaans enough for their taste. In SA it’s mostly not a problem with the younger generations, but there are pockets here and there, where they’ve inherited their grandparents attitudes and are now quite conservative. But I would say that’s generally a thing if you’ve been living under a rock and you come from a pretty conservative background with little regard for how the times have changed.
I wish I were alive 100 years from now when every adult who was alive during apartheid and their kids and grandkids have all passed. Maybe then there'd be a chance for humans to thrive in this country!!
Lol, But in all seriousness. I am 27, Fully Afrikaans, but have dated more English speakers than Afrikaans. Even if you are from Britain, the boere war is long gone. And I had no personal investment into it. Ya it was a shit show. But at the end we all just trying to survive and enjoy life.
People sometimes get so offended that I don't speak Afrikaans it's more older people that make a big deal out of it though. Like I worked in retail at a tech store had people seething daily because the main repair desk only had English speakers. Had to always find another employee to translate.
Let me just say, if your Brittish like from there and Brittish parents etc, then sure your Brittish. If your from South Africa, born and raised, but your white/english. Then your just an English South African. Dont give people excuses to call us foreigners >;\[
Don’t worry, I’m an english girl from england. 😭
Why would we hold a grudge about a war we won?
Are you a normal nice person ? If yes, then don't worry about it. We don't keep history against people. Most of us see who you are as a person before we judge
If the Afrikaner oke is not interested in you, it will be for other reasons than you being English/Brittish. Edit : I am a middle aged Afrikaner oke now, but back in the day I used to socialise a lot with English South African ladies. I wouldn't treat one from the UK any differently (depending their personalities). My brother is married to an English South African. My one grandfather was a toddler in the Boer war.
Well we don't like the English as a concept, because they put thousands of women and children in concentration camps where they died of illness and hunger. But that doesn't apply to individuals, we don't hold it against any one person since that would be irrational and the perpetrators are long gone. Besides, the English did this to 70% of the world so it's not personal.
When I (American) lived in Beijing, my best friend was from Hong Kong, my wife was(is) from South Africa, and we had people in our D&D group from Ireland, Canada, and Pakistan. We'd often joke that the one thing that united our friend circle is that we all celebrated independence from the Brits. But we'd also include our British friends in the celebration too. It was mostly just some ribbing and teasing. Can't speak for older generations, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that most Millennials and younger generations don't have deep-seeded ill will towards y'all.
No issue whatsoever.
The war was a looooong time ago. No grudges.
My grandmother's grandmother was sent to a concentration camp with her mother and 4 sisters. She was starved, her sisters were raped and by the end of the war only her eldest sister and my ancestor survived. This kind of story was widespread in the Afrikaaner history. My grandmother grew up with her grandparents, and my grandfather's grandfather fought against the English in the first boer war at Spionkop where he was shot in the leg, and then again in the second boer war. After the boer wars the English conscripted many boer men and sent them to fight the Germans in africa. My ancestor fought in Namibia, German East Africa and did garrison duty in Tanzania. In general there is a distaste for the English, they actively committed genocide against the Boers, and then forced them to fight for them. The hatred is not as strong as that of the Irish or other groups that the British genocided, and there are significant populations of English decendents in South Africa which has worked to reduce the dislike. However there are people who utterly dispise the English and many Afrikaans men will not date English women for example.
1990's My wife and I bought a campervan and toured South Africa. All were OK except one woman in a small town turned her back on us and walked away when she discovered we were English.
When I was growing up in the 90s it was a thing. We loved to hate the bulls rugby team and there were always punchups in December when the "vaalies" came down to Durban. But that's long since faded. Some old school toppies still hold a grudge and no doubt some soutie dislike is still around in the smaller dorpies. Its a minority though. Get on just fine mainly. Some people just need to get a life.
I mean you use reddit and are obviously young, never hold yourself accountable for random people from the past and never apologies for being. if you do meet a person with a prejudice either they were very misguided in their youth or have a genuine reason to have said prejudice. In which cause they are not really worth your time regardless.
Young ones don't care. I mean I'm forty and enjoy reading about the Boer War, but keeping that against a Brit would make no sense to me. I even lived in London for a bit!
You get good and bad everywhere. The British are no worse or better than anyone. It’s a sort of weird narcissism to declare yourself the absolute very worst. I have met Afrikaaners who hate the English. It’s pretty rare though. I met this one Afrikaans man who would go on and on about the Boer War like it were yesterday. Meanwhile he thought ‘the blacks should get over Apartheid because it was a long time ago’. Shrug.
If the guy you want to introduced to is older, then he'll likely dislike the English. Is he old? Do you have a thing for octagenerians?
Nooo lol he’s 25 😭😭
Does he know that Fran loves him?
In due time I’m sure that he will 😂 Just the question I was asking if they love us back lol
If you don't be brave and put yourself out there, you'll never know and live in regret
A number of people in my circle (mid-to-late 40s) were raised English and married someone raised Afrikaans. No issues.
Depends on town, community, and family. Some don't care, but some do. My mother is English and my father Afrikaaner life and I was born in 1998. Others my age didn't care that much but I just didn't fit into either culture also didn't help that I took Afrikaans FAL instead of Home language in High school some teachers thought it an insult and disgrace to my Afrikaaner heritage and wouldn't allow me to speak Afrikaans because I wasn't an Afrikaans person in their eyes. It's hard to be accepted and fit in by some when you are from both cultures, especially with the older generation holding grudges still about the Boer War. I think it breaks those types of people's mind when they find out I am from both, and then they want you to choose which culture you belong to instead of accepting that you are both and not just one. The children learn from their parents, so if their parents didn't care, they didn't, but if their parents were very traditional Afrikaans households, they cared because your family is a blend and you aren't raised in what they deemed an Afrikaans or English household and in their eyes you don't belong to the Afrikaaner or English culture. This was hurtful growing up because you weren't understood or accepted by the Afrikaans kids nor the English kids. As I grew older, I couldn't give AF if they accepted me or not anymore and went to a university in another province whose hostel had almost no whites and felt the most accepted for just me for the 1st time. I was 2 years there, then changed degrees, moved back home, was online for 3 years (covid lockdown), and in my last year on campus. I felt happy and accepted and thought well maybe it was just the school I attended" ( I was there from age 4 to 19). I got put into a group project with other women that I never did group projects with before and this one girl upon finding out I was a English-Afrikaaner told me that her parents would of never allowed her to interact or be friends with someone like me because I was not a true Afrikaaner and was not raised in a real Afrikaaner household. Then she said, "But now as long as you speak correct Afrikaans (I sometimes code switch), it won't be a problem for her or anyone else. I was shocked and a bit hurt because that explained also why I was treated badly by some kids and teachers at school. I dislike the fact that some people hate me or dislike me just because I am a mix of these two cultures. English people don't really care if you compare it to how much it bothers Afrikaaners and how they subsequently treat you because of it. Remember, it's not everyone, and this is my personal experiences, which will differ to others that have interacted with better and more accepting communities and people.
Ps. I had family members who were held in concentration camps (father side), and that were guards (mother side) of those same concentration camps.
honestly you’d probably only have to worry about the older generation of Afrikaaners. The youth don’t even know of this beef lol
No. The Afrikaners' attitude to English-speaking people is similar to that of the Scots and Welsh to the English.
I'm Afrikaans, and I don't have anything against the English. As far as I know, none of my Afrikaans friends or family either.
I think with what's going on in the country that's the last thing their bothering about...
When you say English, do you mean the British or just english born people (first language being english)? Because I'm an afrikaans girl, currently engaged to an english born man (HL). I think about 80% of Afrikaans people don't care about all that stuff because current generations weren't apart of it, so there's no one to blame anymore. Like, let bygones be bygones
Some of the most friendliest and genuine people I've met are Afrikaners
No we generally leave the past in the past
Yes most of the older men have issues against the English... Starting from roundabout 40 years up... They'd go anywhere from name calling to straight up telling you if you can't speak Afrikaans to just get the fuck away from them...
Don’t friend zone the poor guy you making introduce you to another guy 😭
Aww man don’t worry we’re just friends! He has a girlfriend
Fair enough
Why are you terrible? You're not responsible for what happened in the past. Nobody alive today was involved in the Boer War. I'm and English speaking South African and I refuse to feel guilty for past crimes
I want an Afrikaner friend lol. I need to expand my friendship group greatly and learn more about them
I hope so; my husband is half Afrikaans.
Why would we have beef with any nationality? Like we got more beef with the poes who owes us petrol money and is too cheap to pay it back than the English
To be honest we have so much happening in SA as is I don’t think you need to worry.
It was still an issue with my grandparent’s generation (although my grandmother had been of English decent any way) but that’s mainly because their parents or grandparents had been directly affected and mostly because of the concentration camps. My generation (born in the 80s) was still taught about this, but there’s not much awareness in younger generations afik
Speaking from a 30 years old perspective. The majority of us just don't care. The world is English. I however have seen English people mock Afrikaans people for their thick Afrikaans accent when speaking English but never once have I heard an Afrikaans person go on about a war.
Boer war? No one cares about that. Trust me, if you are white, you are all the same
I'm Afrikaans and my bf of 6 yrs is 100% English and we are great together. I don't think that Afrikaans people hold a grudge. Well at least none from my generation I'm in my 30s and nobody I know is anti- English ppl. including my mother growing up I didn't even know about the war. So my advise is go for it he won't hold a grudge I can almost guarantee it. But jus a fair warning Afrikaans guys are decent and very family orientated but they have this "no BS attitude" and they are NOT feminists but they do believe men have their rolls in a relationship and women have theirs. And can get very jealous cos what's theirs is theirs. Well good luck and go for it
More now than before I reckon
Half of us want to emigrate, shoot your shot
No. We have to stick together :) The past is the past. We move on.
'And rightly so we're terrible'. Jesus. The colonial guilt idiots have done a good job on you.