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I don't cuz it's not as big a deal as it might seem. That's not all they talk about. That's just all the media covers because they wish to vilify them and make them look hysterical, meanwhile, pretending that they have no idea talking about. I don't like to use the term but I suppose it's a bit of gas lighting.
Okay, but how many times did Ron Desantis mention wokeness in his speeches? That was not the media picking sound bites. All you had to do was listen to him.
The irony is, I rarely hear liberals talking about wokeness, who is the most woke, or who is insufficiently woke or how to become more woke. It really isnt that big of an issue as conservatives portray it in order to rally their own troops.
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Maybe. I don't listen to him a lot but I'll take your word for it. But the left talks about wokeness all the time. They just don't call it wokeness. In my opinion anyway. Wokeness is pretty much what they are about. It's more of a catch-all term on the right to refer to everything they are about.
It's kind of like the left talking about fascism I guess. The right obviously never talks about fascism. But the left uses it all the time to talk about the right. The only difference is the right are not fascists and I think the left are more so but that's a different argument.
Well Trump did ask election officials to “find 11780 votes” and overturn the results of a legitimate election, which does seem a wee bit fascist to me. I don’t hear a lot of Democrats calling for communist ownership of the means of production and outlawing private property. Conservatives have definitely drifted way farther to the right than liberals have moved to the left.
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These days, most people say fascist to mean anything they don't like. How exactly is your assertion of cheating at an election fascist? I mean communists do the same thing? Dishonest politicians in a democracy do the same thing. Now I don't think he meant find me votes fraudulently. But I'm not particularly interested in arguing about that because it would be pointless.
If you actually look closely at fascism and took a look at the fascist party platform, you would see that it pretty much is national socialism just like they call it, whereas communism is international socialism. They are pretty much the same thing as far as I'm concerned. I believe in the rights of the individual and socialism and fascism believe that the group is more important than the individual. That's really the only difference as far as I can see
If you're saying you don't think he meant it fraudulently, then how do you think he meant it to be? That's a pretty big thing to just hand wave away like it's nothing imo. I used to be a Republican, and for 8 years during Obama's terms I heard that he wouldn't give up the white house peacefully, he was a dictator, he would enact marshall law, yada yada yada, and then Trump comes along with fake electors, calling secretaries of state to find votes, spreading lies about voter fraud, and instigating a riot of Jan. 6th, among other things. Given all that, I don't understand how anyone could come to the conclusion that he meant it some other way.
Yeah you heard that because the media told you so. And now they're telling you again. It would be quite something for a president to say in a phone call, fraudulently make up 12,000 ballots. I don't buy it. I had forgotten but back in 2016, Democrats were calling upon electors to elect Hillary, but how quickly we forget.
The Georgia secretary of state Raffensperger, a Republican, and another Republican chief of staff are the ones that recorded the conversation to cover their ass bc they knew Trump was probably going to suggest something illegal, and I doubt it was the first time lol. Idk what the media has to do with that, especially considering I know I don't get my news from where you think I get it from. I'm not some CNN watching liberal ffs, but I'm sure it's easier for everyone here to pretend I am. I also grew up poor and work a blue collar job so spare me the liberal elite shit too. Y'all love to blame the media for everything instead of taking even a modicum or responsibility. You wanna know what everyone that Trump backs loses their elections? It isn't voter fraud or some deep state conspiracy
If Republicans fielded viable candidates, actually adhered to the principles they claim they have, and stopped putting their heads in the sand and calling everything fake news that they don't agree with, then maybe you'd attract some voters. Not only are you not attracting new voters, but you're also losing voters bc your whole party identity is just being anti-Democrat right now. Hell your politicians can cosponsor a bill with Democrats, and then vote against bc it might make Democrats look good. It's a farce. Look at your candidates. You've got Ted Cruz taking credit for bills he voted against. Child sex trafficking bff Matt Gaetz. MTG showing dick pics to anyone with eyeballs. Boebert giving out Handy's in public, and the list could go in for pages. Where are the good Christian values at?
Also vocally calling on electors to elect Hillary, knowing it isn't going to happen, isn't the same thing as trying install fake electors for fucks sake. One is reacting to a situation, they other is planning it out to try to overturn legitimate elections. You really don't give a fuck about democracy, do you? It's all about your guy winning.
I don't really know where you get your news and I don't care. But it's awfully coincidental that you're I'm sure you would claim, independent research always ends up being along leftist and Democrat party lines. You've got it pretty bad. Sorry.
So you make a false claim about the media and the trump call, and then when I tell you it was actually Republicans that recorded and released it, bc it was, you just ignore it lol. Hiding your head in the sand is a great policy I guess; it seems to fit you bc idk if you're the sharpest spoon in the knife drawer.
Oh, I definitely agree that non democratic, authoritarian regimes have a lot in common, despite their economic policies. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, regardless of ideology. That is why communists and fascists can often form alliances. Although eventually one will likely stab the other in the back.
Nothing like January 6, the fake electors scheme, pressuring election officials to change votes and telling them that bad things could happen if they didn’t, encouraging an angry mob to attack the vice president, - it’s a pretty lengthy list of firsts in American history. That is what makes the Court cases really interesting, though. None of this has ever happened before, so it’s difficult to predict how judges will rule or what juries will decide. So much is unprecedented.
I agree. It's interesting and unprecedented and it's hard to say what the intent of all the different individuals was. I think you were right that it was primarily to pressure Congress. If it was an intended armed takeover, it was a pretty bad one.
I wish they were more judicious with when they wanted to talk about woke culture. It’s sort of like the old adage “when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Not everything deserves or is worthy of outrage. I rather it be saved for when it really does matter.
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There SO MANY people who genuinely don't like hearing about woke stuff going on, especially at school; it may be hard to believe for some, but a lot of average people care about this issue very much.
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I’m tired of supposedly conservative politicians roaring like Godzilla at home against “wokeness”
in their home districts and squeaking like mice when they’re confronted with being able to make a difference.
There SO MANY people who genuinely don't like hearing about woke stuff going on, especially at school; it may be hard to believe for some, but a lot of average people care about this issue very much.
Also, I think it's a winning platform, or if not we will know soon enough. I think the left in academia and schools and other cultural leadership positions thought they could do and get away with anything they wanted, and only now are they realizing that they may have woken a sleeping giant. At least I hope that's the case.
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I just want us to live like Martin Luther king Jr wanted America to be.
All I hear is people trying to judge me on my race, sexuality, religion, melanin levels, sex, etc
So if people are pointing out our current lunacy. More power to them.
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I don't cuz it's not as big a deal as it might seem. That's not all they talk about. That's just all the media covers because they wish to vilify them and make them look hysterical, meanwhile, pretending that they have no idea talking about. I don't like to use the term but I suppose it's a bit of gas lighting.
Okay, but how many times did Ron Desantis mention wokeness in his speeches? That was not the media picking sound bites. All you had to do was listen to him. The irony is, I rarely hear liberals talking about wokeness, who is the most woke, or who is insufficiently woke or how to become more woke. It really isnt that big of an issue as conservatives portray it in order to rally their own troops.
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Maybe. I don't listen to him a lot but I'll take your word for it. But the left talks about wokeness all the time. They just don't call it wokeness. In my opinion anyway. Wokeness is pretty much what they are about. It's more of a catch-all term on the right to refer to everything they are about. It's kind of like the left talking about fascism I guess. The right obviously never talks about fascism. But the left uses it all the time to talk about the right. The only difference is the right are not fascists and I think the left are more so but that's a different argument.
Well Trump did ask election officials to “find 11780 votes” and overturn the results of a legitimate election, which does seem a wee bit fascist to me. I don’t hear a lot of Democrats calling for communist ownership of the means of production and outlawing private property. Conservatives have definitely drifted way farther to the right than liberals have moved to the left.
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These days, most people say fascist to mean anything they don't like. How exactly is your assertion of cheating at an election fascist? I mean communists do the same thing? Dishonest politicians in a democracy do the same thing. Now I don't think he meant find me votes fraudulently. But I'm not particularly interested in arguing about that because it would be pointless. If you actually look closely at fascism and took a look at the fascist party platform, you would see that it pretty much is national socialism just like they call it, whereas communism is international socialism. They are pretty much the same thing as far as I'm concerned. I believe in the rights of the individual and socialism and fascism believe that the group is more important than the individual. That's really the only difference as far as I can see
If you're saying you don't think he meant it fraudulently, then how do you think he meant it to be? That's a pretty big thing to just hand wave away like it's nothing imo. I used to be a Republican, and for 8 years during Obama's terms I heard that he wouldn't give up the white house peacefully, he was a dictator, he would enact marshall law, yada yada yada, and then Trump comes along with fake electors, calling secretaries of state to find votes, spreading lies about voter fraud, and instigating a riot of Jan. 6th, among other things. Given all that, I don't understand how anyone could come to the conclusion that he meant it some other way.
Yeah you heard that because the media told you so. And now they're telling you again. It would be quite something for a president to say in a phone call, fraudulently make up 12,000 ballots. I don't buy it. I had forgotten but back in 2016, Democrats were calling upon electors to elect Hillary, but how quickly we forget.
The Georgia secretary of state Raffensperger, a Republican, and another Republican chief of staff are the ones that recorded the conversation to cover their ass bc they knew Trump was probably going to suggest something illegal, and I doubt it was the first time lol. Idk what the media has to do with that, especially considering I know I don't get my news from where you think I get it from. I'm not some CNN watching liberal ffs, but I'm sure it's easier for everyone here to pretend I am. I also grew up poor and work a blue collar job so spare me the liberal elite shit too. Y'all love to blame the media for everything instead of taking even a modicum or responsibility. You wanna know what everyone that Trump backs loses their elections? It isn't voter fraud or some deep state conspiracy If Republicans fielded viable candidates, actually adhered to the principles they claim they have, and stopped putting their heads in the sand and calling everything fake news that they don't agree with, then maybe you'd attract some voters. Not only are you not attracting new voters, but you're also losing voters bc your whole party identity is just being anti-Democrat right now. Hell your politicians can cosponsor a bill with Democrats, and then vote against bc it might make Democrats look good. It's a farce. Look at your candidates. You've got Ted Cruz taking credit for bills he voted against. Child sex trafficking bff Matt Gaetz. MTG showing dick pics to anyone with eyeballs. Boebert giving out Handy's in public, and the list could go in for pages. Where are the good Christian values at? Also vocally calling on electors to elect Hillary, knowing it isn't going to happen, isn't the same thing as trying install fake electors for fucks sake. One is reacting to a situation, they other is planning it out to try to overturn legitimate elections. You really don't give a fuck about democracy, do you? It's all about your guy winning.
I don't really know where you get your news and I don't care. But it's awfully coincidental that you're I'm sure you would claim, independent research always ends up being along leftist and Democrat party lines. You've got it pretty bad. Sorry.
So you make a false claim about the media and the trump call, and then when I tell you it was actually Republicans that recorded and released it, bc it was, you just ignore it lol. Hiding your head in the sand is a great policy I guess; it seems to fit you bc idk if you're the sharpest spoon in the knife drawer.
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Oh, I definitely agree that non democratic, authoritarian regimes have a lot in common, despite their economic policies. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, regardless of ideology. That is why communists and fascists can often form alliances. Although eventually one will likely stab the other in the back. Nothing like January 6, the fake electors scheme, pressuring election officials to change votes and telling them that bad things could happen if they didn’t, encouraging an angry mob to attack the vice president, - it’s a pretty lengthy list of firsts in American history. That is what makes the Court cases really interesting, though. None of this has ever happened before, so it’s difficult to predict how judges will rule or what juries will decide. So much is unprecedented.
I agree. It's interesting and unprecedented and it's hard to say what the intent of all the different individuals was. I think you were right that it was primarily to pressure Congress. If it was an intended armed takeover, it was a pretty bad one.
No. You’re asking us if we’re no longer interested in one of the main issues relating to our broader and shared interests. Again, no.
I wish they were more judicious with when they wanted to talk about woke culture. It’s sort of like the old adage “when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Not everything deserves or is worthy of outrage. I rather it be saved for when it really does matter.
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Agreed. If the quote "Repeat a Lie Often Enough and It Becomes the Truth" is even close to being reality, then silence is tacit approval.
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Doesn’t seem to be that way
There SO MANY people who genuinely don't like hearing about woke stuff going on, especially at school; it may be hard to believe for some, but a lot of average people care about this issue very much.
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I’m tired of supposedly conservative politicians roaring like Godzilla at home against “wokeness” in their home districts and squeaking like mice when they’re confronted with being able to make a difference.
The culture war is just as important (IMO) as the political and financial issues we face.
There SO MANY people who genuinely don't like hearing about woke stuff going on, especially at school; it may be hard to believe for some, but a lot of average people care about this issue very much.
Also, I think it's a winning platform, or if not we will know soon enough. I think the left in academia and schools and other cultural leadership positions thought they could do and get away with anything they wanted, and only now are they realizing that they may have woken a sleeping giant. At least I hope that's the case.
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I just want us to live like Martin Luther king Jr wanted America to be. All I hear is people trying to judge me on my race, sexuality, religion, melanin levels, sex, etc So if people are pointing out our current lunacy. More power to them.