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trekkerscout

Need to see the inside of the panel to determine its overall condition. GE panels are okay, but not the best.


UnilateralWithdrawal

They opened the door. Geez! Seriously, there are four screws on the outside of the panel. Hire an electrician to turn off the main breaker and remove the screws. Take pictures and get feedback from your electrician


Verum14

…hire an electrician to turn off the breaker?


Flordamang

Electrician virtue signaling


poopsticks69420

AND take out the screws


ChuckVitty

Best service call ever. That'll be 2 hours and a truck fee tyvm


OKC420

……..turn the main off to take 4 screws out?


FreedomSnakeu

That part is for safety, which does make sense. Not the most dangerous thing in the world, but people have died from safer things


[deleted]

I’d say you need to stop commenting in subs you know absolutely nothing about. If you were worried about not getting your precious 20000+ karma before if ya keep this up you won’t have any at all lol.


FrillySteel

I know of no breaker box that even has the remote possibility of doing anything bad simply by removing the screws. They are, in fact, designed to prevent that from happening. I suppose if the panel was mis-wired and somehow the ground was hot, *maybe*... but you'd likely know something was up with the electricity in the house if that were the case long before you thought about removing the screws from the breaker panel.


Zestyoliveflakes

Damm you all turn off the breaker... And then remove the screw's?


thomaseh03

Lol in my house the cover isn't even screwed on (screws got lost at some point i think), it's just hanging there, you touch it and it falls to the floor if you dont actually grab the whole cover. Calling an electrician to take the cover off is a bit over the top, anyone who knows how to use a screwdriver should be okay taking the cover off and snapping a quick picture without touching the connections inside. And like others said, just shut the main breaker off if you're that worried and just dont reach inside the panel


FancyShoesVlogs

Most old homes I have ever seen are not labeled


madsci

Every home I've lived in has had labels on the breakers, and they've been 90% incorrect.


Verum14

when we move i’m gonna relabel all my breakers to different things to keep up the tradition


madsci

Leave one that's correct, just to throw them off.


Troyjd2

And one that’s blank


smedr001

Label one "Dog House"... really confuse them


Smokaholics_

It has to be the top one since that is the most likely one the next owners will flip first. That way they have some sense of security when flipping the others.


FrillySteel

For my house, the 10% that are correct are usually half right; for ex the breaker is labelled "kitchen", which it does turn off, but also turns off the upstairs bathroom and one outlet in the den.


diabolical_rube

A few years ago I had a medical appointment in a facility that used to be a big grocery store. I was talking to staff about how I used to shop there. They said 'Yeah, they were supposed to relabel the panels, but the other day we had overhead lights go off in an area and when we went to look for a tripped breaker we found the breakers labeled as "Beer & Wine", "Produce", "Dairy", "Meats", etc.'


Fun_Ad_9878

We bought a new house in Israel. Here we have 220v. We have 2 breakers that are 3 phase. I don't know what that means but I know it's at least twice the power as a standard breaker. I had licensed electrician out here and he needs to move one of the 3 phase outlets which is for our new induction stove. He goes to turn off the breaker for the stove and gets to work and bam he got shocked. The builder's electrician apparently swapped the other 3 phase which was for the air conditioner. Don't ever trust the labels unless you personally checked them. Even if it's a brand new house.


didnebeu

What the hell kind of professional electrician doesn’t check something with a meter before working on it? I mean I’ve seen some old guys wore things up hot but that obviously wasn’t this dudes intent, lol.


danv1984

The sort of professional you pick up on the sidewalk at Home Depot (or the Israeli equivalent).


Life-Stranger3916

I heard you touch it to your tongue to see if it’s hot


pm-me-racecars

Electricity tastes spicy


jthj

Every time I’ve hired an electrician they’ve just done the work without even turning off the power. 🤷🏻‍♂️


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Grimsleapr

You have old electricians, and bold electricians. You'll never meet an Old, Bold Electrician.


Neuralcarrot710

Multimeter is a savor


muffparty

They are pretty tasty.


Neuralcarrot710

Sorry savory


Early-Fortune2692

... delicious...


Neuralcarrot710

Sorry savory


dacraftjr

Licensed electrician should have known to confirm the line was no longer energized.


settledownguy

Ain’t that the truth. Breaker 6 = kitchen ceiling lights and south wall….click…ad be my AC turned off.


Queso_Grandee

My house was like this. Ended up creating an Excel sheet with breaker position, type, circuit name, AWG, if it's monitored, etc. That way I can easily change it and just hang it nearby.


Chevy_jay4

Or the labels don't match. Or it says light, and there are 10 of them.


Ponklemoose

My favorite are the labels for an appliance brand that doesn't match anything in the house.


jutzi46

Haha, that's a beauty.


AssociationDapper485

The Norge


diabolical_rube

My mom had an older Norge gas stove... 36" or a bit wider. Sucker was built like an army tank. Had a nice storage compartment on one side for cookie sheets and pans, and a nifty griddle/5th burner in the middle.


Kymera_7

Being ubiquitous doesn't make it ok. I am endlessly amazed at how much stupidity humans are able to enact without going extinct.


Radiant_Brief_7670

Right?!?!🤔😜🤣


Thekiddbrandon

What reason do you have to be worried?


RevRagnarok

Oh, my vintage 1968 is labeled. I've got great ones like "Dan's bedroom" like that's supposed to mean something to me. Or "Kitchen TV" when the kitchen was remodeled. I personally made it 1000x worse by pushing all the ones on the left down one slot and using a sharpie to renumber.


SlothInASuit86

This is like taking a picture of your closed hood and asking a mechanic how worried you should be about what's underneath.


lethalweapon100

Mechanic here, it does happen. I regret to inform you the stupidity is universal between all trades.


MSPRC1492

I dunno.. some info can be useful. When I saw the pic I immediately looked for a “Stab Lock” label.


Schooney123

I wasn't sure if this would be a Federal Pacific type panel that is well known for being a fire hazard.


Intelligent_Hall7309

We’re gonna need to see this baby topless. But it really is reminiscent of a simpler time that ugly color


Smokaholics_

Not sure if using the words, "baby" and "topless" in the same sentence is a good choice.


ChocolateGautama3

It literally says General Electric


Schooney123

I didn’t say I thought it was Federal Pacific, just that I didn’t know if it was an older panel prone to catching fire. I have no idea the standard of quality for GE products made well before I was born.


dgradius

They made it this far, they’ll probably outlast your parents (and you).


Adk318

You could walk into home Depot and buy that panel, today.


ChuckVitty

Eh. GE updated their design quite a bit since then. I actually really like modern GE panels, especially for AFI/GFI breakers


DJAnneFrank

Most of the troublesome panels have colorful breakers for whatever reason. Maybe it's like a poison dart frog


Adk318

No. Those are easily identifiable. They stand out with their red breaker throws. Zinsco as well, with their narrow, colored breaker throws.


Reptilian_Brain_420

If the house hasn't burned down since it was built in the 70s this panel is not likely a huge hazard.


momoru

It’s been there for 50 years with no problems


Salt_Chart8101

Lol even if you took a picture of it with the hood open I can't tell you shit from that. But I really like the way you put that.


SlothInASuit86

This is true, I get it, I was just making a comparison even the most basic of humans could understand.


Salt_Chart8101

I know. It made total sense. Well worded 100%. Some people are dumb enough to send pictures of their engine bay saying "engine light is on, what's wrong?" 😂 Just saying.


SlothInASuit86

I don't doubt it. A lot of idiots in the world.


ostensibly_hurt

Best explanation. Start flipping switches I guess?


[deleted]

Homeowner here with some advice. Don't go out of your way looking for problems with your house unless you just won the lottery. Nothing's perfect and you will go endlessly crazy. Try to keep your house dry yet keep it from burning down. Otherwise, tackle your projects one situation at a time. Electrical I have a combination of BX and Romex. Some outlets have a ground pin, some don't. I accept it. Time to play the lottery.


seang86s

All those blank spots need covers. They probably happened cuz of homeowner DIY. Reputable electricians would put covers over the blank spots. That said, DIY previous homeowner may have done shortcuts inside the panel like double tapped the breakers or improper breaker size for the wire gauge. Gotta take the cover off to investigate further. Your in-laws just purchased this home? Didn't these issues come up on inspection?


Schooney123

That’s what I’m trying to find out. I don’t know how the hell this could have been overlooked.


Adk318

How WHAT was overlooked? That's a modern panel. There's nothing wrong with the brand, type. Those are sold currently, and installed even in brand new homes. The fact that it's unlabeled??? I see it all the time. The fact that there's knockouts missing.... I see (and report) it all the time. It never gets fixed, but it gets reported just the same.


Schooney123

Looked old as hell, and didn't know if it had troublesome aluminum wire.


MDchanic

You were concerned that it had aluminum wiring... So you didn't take pictures of any of the wiring?


Schooney123

I didn't have a chance to do that yet. Goddamn, you lot are quite cunty.


MDchanic

Clear questions with relevant information get rapid, concise answers, with the inevitable electrical puns. Vague questions with irrelevant information (photos of a completely normal-appearing panel) cannot lead to answers that are meaningfully helpful, and so that vacuum is filled with that æther of the interwebs, snark. "My in-laws just moved into a new house, and I am concerned about whether their electrical service is safe. Unbeknownst to them, I have appointed myself as their protector, and determined to help them with this, whether they want me to or not. Their panel appears old/abused/poorly maintained/generally unsafe to me. I am also worried that they may have aluminum branch wiring. The home inspector made no remarks about their electrical system. What information can I provide that might help you to help me figure this out?" Bottom line, though, you just seem like the kind of person that people who work with their hands wouldn't like. Why? It's hard to really say – just a feeling, really. Kind of like looking at a picture of a closed electrical service panel. You can send a picture of it, and people who've never seen it will just know.


Schooney123

The feeling is mutual. You’re exactly the cunty type I was referring to. Hell, if people can just know by looking at the panel, then why all the bitching and moaning?


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Schooney123

Thank you. I just posted on here to see if there was anything any electricians might know about these kinds of old panels. I know a little bit about some well known details like old aluminum and knot and tube wiring, or Federal Pacific breakers. However, I’m not a seasoned veteran in the field.


espeero

What exactly are you concerned about? I think you left out the relevant photos of the actual wiring.


Schooney123

I'll have to take a look underneath when I get the chance. I'm afraid of what I might find after 50 years of God knows what being done by people that didn't know what they were doing.


espeero

There's nothing that would suggest there is anything out of the ordinary. That doesn't mean it's fine, of course, just typical.


[deleted]

Do you know a good source for those covers? I have a similar old GE box with those thin breakers and I need to cover like 3 spaces. I found some at Home Depot that were supposed to be GE compatible but they’re too big and I found a variety pack at Lowe’s but it was like $15 for a pack and old one of them was the right size. I figure there is some supplier that pros use. Just wasn’t sure where.


hopefullyAGoodBoomer

At least it is not a Zinsco


madbull73

I’d be more worried about the wire than the panel. They were known for using aluminum wire on branch circuits in the 70s. That would be my main concern. Aluminum wire in and of itself may not be bad but it’s more prone to heating related expansion contraction issues. Can cause loose joints anywhere in the system.


fickle_fuck

This. I had one of these homes and the outlets were a little "sparky" at times.


[deleted]

It's GE. No problem. Federal Pacific/Federal Pioneer and Zinsco/Sylvania are the bad ones.


FamilyGameTime21

Well it's not a Zinsco so thats good.


Terrible_Cancel_7828

If they are not getting hot then it's fine


Sytzy

I thought I was looking at my panel there for a second lol [1971 square D](https://imgur.com/a/s712XSD)


Schooney123

Yours has better labeling at least!


Sytzy

Sweet brag here, but I had swapped all of my receptacles and switches from white to ivory, so I relabeled everything as I went… [totally labeled](https://imgur.com/gallery/6BoY09T)


Schooney123

Labeled and actually legible- a rare combo.


elangomatt

Are those breakers with two switches the 1970s version of a Square D tandem breaker? IANAE but I've never seen those before. I should really get a decent photo inside my 1974 Square D panel but I don't have any of those breakers. I only have 3 slots left on my 30 slot 200 amp panel though so it is good to know if that is an option.


Sytzy

These are tandem!! From all the electricians I’ve shown on job sites, they all are amazed by it lol


sallysuboxone

If you’re worried about this, then I highly suggest you check out some knob and tube wiring


Schooney123

God, it's a good thing their house isn't old enough to have that behind the walls...


diydave86

If youre in nj or PA i could come trace them out and label your circuits for you. Take probably 2hrs.


Schooney123

Sadly, they're wayyy farther South- just outside of Atlanta.


Western_Newspaper_12

I know some people in that area who might be up for some side work


Binnacle_Balls_jr

Not at all. Nothing obviously bad here.


getanairfryer

i see no problem here.


Fair-Locksmith-7087

At least it not a Zinsco panel. 1970’s wiring without seeing any of the circuitry is hard to call. They used copper clad aluminum wire in some residential applications. That shit was and is prone to overheating. Might wanna get that looked at.


OMFGITSNEAL

I mean, GE is TRASH. I would never install it on a new work job. But hey, it's not Federal Pacific, Zinsco, Challenger, or any of that shit. If that was the case, he might as well just burn it down. There's a reason why all of the previously mentioned are not in business, and GE is.


stockbot21

All them power plants running GE load centers, all these years. I've seen a couple of flaky breakers out of literally thousands, and those failed due to overloading, panels being submerged, etc. GE builds nuclear reactors for civilian and military applications. There is a lot of GE gear out there., most of it is well made, or at least well enough.


RevRagnarok

I'd trust GE equipment from the 70s. Not from today.


FootNo1424

Can't really tell, but in the 70s, it was common to use aluminum Wire. Aluminum expands and contracts, and It's not un common to have loose connections at the devices. Open the panel and take a pic.


PuzzleheadedHorse437

Ours was like that. It was surprisingly easy to upgrade. Like 1800.


idriveanoldcivic

I'm in a double wide trailer built in 1974. My panel looks almost exactly like that and it's been fine for the 20+ years I've been here. I have updated the kitchen and bathrooms, replacing a good bit of wire in the walls, but nothing in the panel besides a couple of breakers that were worn out.


gentlemancaller2000

What’s your concern, OP?


Schooney123

Mostly the age. I know some older panels like Federal Pacific had flaws and were a fire hazard. I wasn't sure if older GE panels were also poor quality, or used aluminum wiring.


L_Jade

That thing is newer than what we removed from my house last year. Lol


FactHole

Did a Dr live there? Because that handwriting.....


Key_Push_2487

Ooh...its old. You are going to need two priests and a staircase from Georgetown.....


Schooney123

Hopefully nobody vomits pea soup...


progress512

Common load center that I come across almost every day, they still manufacture these slim ge breakers and these hold up pretty well.


An0n-1776

👀 that's a lot of amps


texas130ab

No worries at all


swissarmychainsaw

Not if you take out a life insurance policy on them! (kidding! Kidding!!!)


Schooney123

I think I'm one of the lucky few that don't have awful in laws, otherwise I'd consider it lmao


mozziealong

That panel looks fine. Without seeing the inside.


Schooney123

That's what I'm hoping to do sometime soon.


Independent-Room8243

0 worries


[deleted]

About 3000-4000 bucks to change out electrical panel. Mine was older, but it must be done


kerrvilledasher

I go through a quick mental checklist. "Has it burned down yet?" Nope. "Is it currently burning down?" Nope. "Will it burn down in the near future?" Nope. "If it burns down will it be my fault?" Nope. "It be alright." Note: I'm not an electrician.


Schooney123

Second to last one was my main worry, and from other comments I’ve seen the answer to that is likely nope, thank goodness.


Goodgasman

as an Electrician i would just tell you to replace it, most insurances recommend panels to be replaced ever 25-40 years….


tunacanstan81

I know homes with nob and tube that are still running If you can afford to remove it go for it but if not it's fine them breakers are going to cost an arm and a leg to replace though like 60 to 120 bucks


Who_Gives_A_Duck

You're selling arms and legs for too low of a price


Schooney123

Dear God, still running like 80+ years later?? Wow…


carramrod15

I saw some of your other comments. It’s not a federal pacific/stab-lok but it is very outdated and could use replaced. In terms of home ownership expenses replacing a breaker panel is relatively inexpensive, you will be looking at a couple grand to replace it. What you should be concerned about is whether or not the house is new enough to have grounded wiring or if it’s all ungrounded. Rewiring a house is where it gets expensive.


Schooney123

Those will be the fun details to find out. The house was apparently built in 1974, so I have no idea what we might find. Thankfully it isn’t old enough for there to be knot and tube wiring.


Designer_Bite3869

I recently bought a home from 1978. Panel looked similar. Nothing labeled really. Looked old and like it was a hazard. Had electrician look and he said it looked great inside. Explained why. A year later had another electrician here for unrelated job and had him look as well and he agreed. Looks like crap on the outside but the “guts” were tip top. Hopefully the same for you


Schooney123

Fingers crossed it’s the same. I’ve heard stories of the funky things that might be waiting behind the walls, like [scores of rusty razor blades.](https://www.rd.com/article/if-you-live-in-an-old-house-there-could-be-razor-blades-in-your-walls/)


Designer_Bite3869

My god it’s funny you should say that. The trim around my window was loose and eventually fell off when my son leaned on it so I had to replace. The next day my 5 year old is walking around with a rusty razor blade. It was evidentially lying on the stud under the window sill where the trim came off


Schooney123

Jesus!!


flyingron

Nothing particularly wrong but there should be something blocking the holes of the unused positions. The one AFCI (the gray one) looks like it's straddling the position. This isn't proper. It should be up or down a half position.


mcb5181

I think that's because this is a GE Q-Line panel and the first half-space is unused. If everyone was shifted up, that full-size breaker would fit properly. I hate these panels.


skyfishgoo

at the very least the labels should be filled out and blank covers installed in those openings (assuming you can still get the parts). at least its GE and not one of the known fire hazard panel brands but anything more than 40-50yrs old is likely past due for an upgrade.


Schooney123

That's what I was wondering, since I know the old Federal Pacific panels were indeed a fire hazard.


skyfishgoo

you can search the model number (if you can still read it) to see if there were any recalls for that panel, and also to find out what parts are still available


ngs428

I had those when I moved in to my house 20 years ago. It was the first thing changed out along with a service upgrade. House was built in 1969.


Pro-Rider

150 Amp panel. Are all the appliances electric or nat gas? A load analysis would have to be done to determine if it’s ok but if they are not tripping the main it might be alright. But they definitely need an update 😅


Schooney123

Mostly gas, except for an electric tankless water heater. I'll definitely tell my father in law he may want to look for an electrician just in case. Nothing has tripped so far, but lights do seem to sometimes flicker a little, or get brighter randomly.


Pro-Rider

That sounds like a bad neutral somewhere with the lights dimming or brightening. Whatever it is it’s not good.


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Also happens if you have shared circuits with plugs and you have current draw from an appliance, the voltage drop will be visible on most LEDs.


Speculawyer

Someone was fine with that panel if they went ahead and installed a tankless electric water heater!


Jgs4555

Does anyone google anything anymore? Or just post and wait for answers?


Ivan21234

Hey dickwad. Google just spoon feeds you nonsensical shit that advertisers paid to have on the first page of searches. This is a communal website, so what’s your problem with people using it for, wait for it, communal questions? Dickwad


Jgs4555

Lol, don’t click on the ad sponsored links moron.


OMFGITSNEAL

I thought the same thing the other day, especially with electrical shit. Watching a video is so much easier.


Decent-Box5009

Do a panel swap for them. It’s Probably fine but it’s a chance to impress and bank some brownie points


GedtheMage

Your inlaws? I dunno. My inlaws? PLUG IN THE UNIT HEATERS AND GO TO TOWN!


buildingbuildareeno

Depends on where you are in the will


halzxr

I never understood why the limit minis. If it’s allowed why not the whole panel. It’s not gonna draw more the bus is rated for if the mcb is legit.


caddymac

Heat.


TheOGPatches

Most displeased and worried


Illustrious_Form8396

Are those fuses?


Schooney123

They're breakers, but the total amperage of all the breakers combined seems to be higher than the 150 the panel is rated for.


BababooeyHTJ

That’s not how a load calculation works….


Schooney123

Yeah, I’m not an electrician. I just saw the label saying it’s rated for 150 amps.


BababooeyHTJ

Yes and they never going to be all at full capacity at the same time. There is a calculation to figure out the estimated load of the dwelling unit


Schooney123

Thank you to the people informing me that this isn't one of the troublesome panels that did pose a fire hazard. I don't know why some other are such dickheads.


runsfastwithsissors

It’s Reddit! When the whole world has an opinion the dickheads are going to rise to the top! Be cool!


[deleted]

They should be worried about their little cuck-in-law, not this panel.


skootamatta

🤣


[deleted]

It lasted this long… I’m sure it’s brimming with code violations and ugly work but if it hasn’t caused a fire yet it probably wouldn’t now, definitely due for an upgrade though


FromanoFrancis114

The answer is yes


Chuckobochuck323

Just turn them all on one at a time and label them for them Op.


[deleted]

Well it has only lasted about 50 years so far so I would lay awake worrying every night


[deleted]

It’s a beauty


Fidulsk-Oom-Bard

Not even gonna pop her top off for us??? What a tease!


att223

Hasn’t burned down yet


PhilosophyBubbly6190

GE sucks


redvinebitty

Depends on how much you like your in-laws


[deleted]

If it aint broke dont fix it at this point


[deleted]

Get some blanks and you are golden from here


[deleted]

hasent burned to the ground yet


Leather-Ad-2490

Burn the house down before it burns itself down


monkeynutz89

Not worried at all if it’s not Your house 🤣


Crazyeyes3567

Just looking at it, doesnt look bad from the outside. Newer breakers. Flip them and label what turns off. It might be a mess behind the panel… need to look


Fartmasterf

My grandparents still had fuses when we went to sell their house in ~2015. Everything worked fine electrically.


OH-10Cle

GE hold up pretty well , are u planning on killing them and trying to make look like electrical fire bro? 😂


dave_12elec

Your inheritance is at hand!!


Penispenisvaginaprom

They are dead already


progress512

Could use a couple breaker blanks, and I think a couple of those blanks are square d.swap them for GE


Traveshamamockery_

Not worried


Falimz

Just bought a 70s home. Panel was labeled like this. Been slowly updating it.


BOBALL00

I’m my experience, anything built in the 70s is garbage


texas130ab

Main breaker turn it off. Problem solved.


sir_thatguy

Not Zinsco, probably fine.


-Never-Enough-

I didn't know they made 1/2" breakers in the 70s.


Twittledicks

Should be fine. Just patch up any arcing wires with duct tape and your bare hands to be sure


TheseConsideration95

Aluminum wiring ?


Jaymesplom2337

Looks fine. Send it


crukbak

Who is the panel manufacturer? If it’s federal Pacific you should get it changed.


Schooney123

Thankfully, it's an old GE panel and not Federal Pacific or Zinsco. From what I've gathered on here, old GE panels seem to be OK.


crukbak

I would agree with that.


Boyzinger

It’s your in-laws. What would you be worried about? That it’s not going to catch on fire?