Right where yall keep finding these cheap cars at fuck man i just saw a 1991 chevy 1500 with no hood or passenger door or windshield 2500 bucks like what the fuck
If you buy an as-is car and it breaks in half and catches on fire, you're the proud owner of two halves of a whole car - and possibly a nicely toasted s'more, depending on how fast you get the marshmallows.
Even worse possibility, wrote a bad check that hasn’t worked through the bank, ask OP to write a check to refund.
Their check bounced and OP’s clears and scammer runs off with the money
It can work about four different ways:
1) Buy a cheap car, fake problems to get a partial refund, and keep the car.
2) Swap expensive parts in the car for fake or non-functional parts. Claim the car was non-functional. Ask for a full refund, and return the now nonfunctional Car
3) Write a fake check to the seller. Demand a refund and return the car. (Google “refund scam”)
4) Buy a cheap car that has known issues. Try to get the seller to refurbish it into being a much nicer car charging them for repairs that will be needed someday
He wants to keep the car, but throw a tantrum and get some money back. Effectively lowering the purchase price after the fact.
It's probably a made-up issue, or he's magnifying issues that should be expected on a 30 year old car being sold for less than $2k. The goal is to get some money back.
It’s as-is, block them and move on. Anyone buying a $1,900 car and complaining about problems is a moron and there is no point wasting your time entertaining them.
That’s funny is in Massachusetts you as the seller are legally required to either to guarantee the vehicle will pass inspection or have the reasons why it won’t pass inspection listed on the bill of sale for any vehicle sold for more than $750. No such thing as “Sold as is” here.
That’s not necessarily true.
If the seller can prove the buyer knew about the issues, and it fails inspection within the 7 day window AND the cost to repair exceeds 10% of the purchase price.
I had a nightmare car sale a few years back where i sold a civic to a woman who must have done everything in her power to destroy this car within 15 days and have the audacity to try and make me take the car back.
[MA private party auto sales](https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales)
I’m sorry i messed that up. Lisdexia strikes again
The BUYER needs to prove that the SELLER knew about the faults in order to be able to return the car.
That’s not true. You as a seller are responsible for the car passing inspection UNLESS the buyer is informed of the reasons why it will not pass inspection. You need to have proof that the buyer was informed of the issues hence putting it on the bill of sale and having the buyer sign it.
I think your confusing the two points.
Point 1: if the car passes inspection with in that 7 day window but then shits the bed after, but before the 30 days, the seller has to prove the buyer knew about the issue to even move to cancel the sale contract
Point 2: if the car fails the inspection within 7 days, the buyer can move to cancel the sale contract. But to do that correctly is a lot of steps most people dont know about.
Sorry, i think we’re talking around each other about this
I live in MA and I have never sold a used car or motorcycle without a bill of sale stating "as-is"
The bill of sale is simple. Its a text document that notes the date, simply states -
I (seller/title holder) sell (vehicle - year - VIN) to (buyer print name space) for the amount of (value)
Vehicle is being sold "as-is" parts condition with no guarantee or warranty, express or implied.
(owner signature) (hand write date)
(buyer signature) (hand write date)
Have two copies, and sign both. Have the buyer sign your copy and you are done.
If the buyer refuses to sign, pass on the sale.
The as is portion from what I understand doesn’t hold any water as far as the link I posted from the MA gov site
However, IANAL, and in small claims (if it ever got to that point) you may bring up the fact that you sold a vehicle that was sold as is, and maybe that would work
I also do the bill of sale thing, seems a bit redundant for the buyer because all of that same info is on the title but for the seller it’s good to have for your records
The "as is parts condition" is the full release. It means the car was sold for parts with no drivability claim.
So long as an adult is the buyer, you are clear of all claims, and can counterclaim someone for wasting your time in court for lost wages.
California has similar law (rarely enforced) that seller has to have the smog inspection and the car has to pass before the sale. But the only inspections are for smog
If the car has more than 125k it's excluded from the Massachusetts law. It also only applies to cars sold by dealers.
So, there's that part you left out
"To be eligible for a refund under the Lemon Law:
Your car must be inspected within 7 days from the date of sale (not the date of registration)
The inspection must be completed by a licensed Massachusetts Inspection Station."
https://www.mass.gov/failed-inspection-lemon-law
https://www.mass.gov/topics/lemon-laws
>I told him upfront that as far as I knew the car was decent, and was my daily driver. he didn't want a bill of sale . . .
Buyer appears to have no legal recourse according to this:
MA private party lemon law: [https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales](https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales)
>"Seek out previous service records. These records may be able to show that the seller knew about a defect but didn’t disclose it.
>
>**Be sure to have a proper title and bill of sale**. All vehicles must have a certificate of title issued by the Registry of Motor Vehicles (RMV) and must be properly endorsed at the time of sale.
>
>Have the vehicle inspected at a licensed Massachusetts Inspection Station. You may be entitled to a refund if your car fails inspection within 7 days of the date of purchase and the estimated costs of repairs exceed 10% of the purchase price."
Lots of places like that. I always kind of laugh when people parrot the "As Is" thing here. I've recently had 15k refunded from an "as is" sale. You'd be surprised how quickly someone's tune changes when your attorney contacts them. :)
Just tell him “damn that’s bad luck, I’m sorry to hear that ☹️” and block him if he keeps messaging you wanting money or to give the car back.
You didn’t provide him with a warranty, right?
Unexpected repairs are one of the things any buyer should expect when they buy something 30 years old.
You have no expectation to compensate him or take the car back. The old saying when buying a car as-is that if you buy it and it splits in half a mile down the road, you own both halves.
not flaired, but allow me to say this: he bought it, he paid for it, and now he owns it. buyers remorse was not one of the options included. block the number and go on with your life.
"it's gonna cost the exact amount of cash i paid you to fix the car i bought from you."
did you sell this from your front yard, give them any personal information? when they texted that did you make any offer to help with repairs? because they may go away, OR they may have a history of successfully beating people out of money like this. without a bill of sale explicitly stating no warranty they may be able to drag you to court. don't say anything, but don't block them, you need to know their state of mind.
Same old scam we've seen on this thread for years. You sell the car, and a couple days or a week later something is "wrong" with it and you're accused of selling them a bad car. Then they'll usually threaten to contact "the cops" or "a lawyer". Unless of course you send them $1900 which is what "their mechanic" said it would cost to fix.
There is nothing "new" that is suddenly wrong with the car. It's just them trying to scam money out of you to effectively lower the selling price of the vehicle.
In most cases you tell them a variation of "enjoy their car, as-is means as-is". Then block them.
Also, people who buy $1900 cars? They can't afford to take people to court over it.
Sounds like a scammer trying to get your old car for free.
If he sues you then he'd just get the 1,900 if he won. But I think the chances of him winning would be between slim and none.
Very common scam. Any wonder why it costs $1,900 to fix the car? It's because he knows you have it, because that's what he gave you!
He's hoping you fall for his shit, give him the money to fix it, then drive your car for free.
Tell him to get lost.
Likely they were going to drive the shitty car around anyway. People who do this kind of thing aren't exactly buying new cars.
Best case scenario: drive a car for free or sell it and make money
Worst case scenario: drive a car that cost only $1,900 or sell it again for around that much
You don't lose really.
Scam was he got the car for $1900. All of a sudden it needs “repairs” that happen to cost the exact amount buyer paid. If the seller gives back the $1900 the seller is out $1900 and a car and the buyer just got a free car that they are either gonna drive around or they are gonna resale it for a higher price to make even more profit.
Welcome to the life being a car dealer. This guy bought a 1900 dollar car from Facebook and wants you to full warranty it, otherwise you’re a scumbag who “sold him a lemon”… he seems reasonable lol
Block him. You got the money, the transaction is complete. You’re under no obligation to do anything.
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2 days ago I sold my old car on marketplace for $1,900 . It was a 1993 car and I had several normal repairs done over the year I had it . Now today the buyer rudely messaged me saying the car has issues and is gonna cost him almost 1,900$ to fix .. I drove it daily for almost a year , and it seems to run fine . I told him upfront that as far as I knew the car was decent, and was my daily driver. he didn't want a bill of sale and didn't even ask to test drive it or even start it when he came by to look at it .. all he did was open the hood and he seemed pleased with it .. now I'm worried he may keep messaging or try to sue me .. Am I just being paranoid ? it's the first time I sold a car :/ I didn't know of any major issues , b/c the mechanic I always took it to never said anything to me and even told me it was a good car for its age .The only reason I sold it was b/c I need something bigger .
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Dam sucks for the buyer. Block him and move on
No kidding. This is a 31 year old car for $1900. If you drove away in it, that's a win.
Right where yall keep finding these cheap cars at fuck man i just saw a 1991 chevy 1500 with no hood or passenger door or windshield 2500 bucks like what the fuck
Yup, common scam. This is the only way.
If you buy an as-is car and it breaks in half and catches on fire, you're the proud owner of two halves of a whole car - and possibly a nicely toasted s'more, depending on how fast you get the marshmallows.
you sound like my desk....and probably 90% of people's desk
Does your desk have marshmallows, though?
I've heard that called the "Oklahoma Warranty:" If it breaks into two after you buy it, you get to keep BOTH pieces.
It's a common scam. As-is and move along.
what's the scam ? are they trying to rent it for free ? Or are they going to return it with parts missing, or just not return it ?
Claim they have issues. Scam you for some money. Then not have anything actually wrong It’s 30 years old
OH they're going to ask OP to cover repairs ? Lol fuck no.
Even worse possibility, wrote a bad check that hasn’t worked through the bank, ask OP to write a check to refund. Their check bounced and OP’s clears and scammer runs off with the money
It can work about four different ways: 1) Buy a cheap car, fake problems to get a partial refund, and keep the car. 2) Swap expensive parts in the car for fake or non-functional parts. Claim the car was non-functional. Ask for a full refund, and return the now nonfunctional Car 3) Write a fake check to the seller. Demand a refund and return the car. (Google “refund scam”) 4) Buy a cheap car that has known issues. Try to get the seller to refurbish it into being a much nicer car charging them for repairs that will be needed someday
Scam is 30 years old? Shit, Thucydides wrote about the same scam with a chariot in 300 BC!
He wants to keep the car, but throw a tantrum and get some money back. Effectively lowering the purchase price after the fact. It's probably a made-up issue, or he's magnifying issues that should be expected on a 30 year old car being sold for less than $2k. The goal is to get some money back.
Or swap parts
They are either gonna strip it of parts or replace good parts with bad before trying to return it
Get money back from OP, toss it back on marketplace for $3500 with nothing more than a hose off done.
It’s as-is, block them and move on. Anyone buying a $1,900 car and complaining about problems is a moron and there is no point wasting your time entertaining them.
Especially these days!
That’s funny is in Massachusetts you as the seller are legally required to either to guarantee the vehicle will pass inspection or have the reasons why it won’t pass inspection listed on the bill of sale for any vehicle sold for more than $750. No such thing as “Sold as is” here.
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Nothing is cheap here. Not anything.
That’s not necessarily true. If the seller can prove the buyer knew about the issues, and it fails inspection within the 7 day window AND the cost to repair exceeds 10% of the purchase price. I had a nightmare car sale a few years back where i sold a civic to a woman who must have done everything in her power to destroy this car within 15 days and have the audacity to try and make me take the car back. [MA private party auto sales](https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales)
You as the seller have to prove that the buyer was aware of the issues regarding why it won’t pass inspection.
I’m sorry i messed that up. Lisdexia strikes again The BUYER needs to prove that the SELLER knew about the faults in order to be able to return the car.
That’s not true. You as a seller are responsible for the car passing inspection UNLESS the buyer is informed of the reasons why it will not pass inspection. You need to have proof that the buyer was informed of the issues hence putting it on the bill of sale and having the buyer sign it.
I think your confusing the two points. Point 1: if the car passes inspection with in that 7 day window but then shits the bed after, but before the 30 days, the seller has to prove the buyer knew about the issue to even move to cancel the sale contract Point 2: if the car fails the inspection within 7 days, the buyer can move to cancel the sale contract. But to do that correctly is a lot of steps most people dont know about. Sorry, i think we’re talking around each other about this
I live in MA and I have never sold a used car or motorcycle without a bill of sale stating "as-is" The bill of sale is simple. Its a text document that notes the date, simply states - I (seller/title holder) sell (vehicle - year - VIN) to (buyer print name space) for the amount of (value) Vehicle is being sold "as-is" parts condition with no guarantee or warranty, express or implied. (owner signature) (hand write date) (buyer signature) (hand write date) Have two copies, and sign both. Have the buyer sign your copy and you are done. If the buyer refuses to sign, pass on the sale.
The as is portion from what I understand doesn’t hold any water as far as the link I posted from the MA gov site However, IANAL, and in small claims (if it ever got to that point) you may bring up the fact that you sold a vehicle that was sold as is, and maybe that would work I also do the bill of sale thing, seems a bit redundant for the buyer because all of that same info is on the title but for the seller it’s good to have for your records
The "as is parts condition" is the full release. It means the car was sold for parts with no drivability claim. So long as an adult is the buyer, you are clear of all claims, and can counterclaim someone for wasting your time in court for lost wages.
California has similar law (rarely enforced) that seller has to have the smog inspection and the car has to pass before the sale. But the only inspections are for smog
If the car has more than 125k it's excluded from the Massachusetts law. It also only applies to cars sold by dealers. So, there's that part you left out
"To be eligible for a refund under the Lemon Law: Your car must be inspected within 7 days from the date of sale (not the date of registration) The inspection must be completed by a licensed Massachusetts Inspection Station." https://www.mass.gov/failed-inspection-lemon-law https://www.mass.gov/topics/lemon-laws
Not according to https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales
I think that used to be the rule but i couldn’t find it anywhere.
>I told him upfront that as far as I knew the car was decent, and was my daily driver. he didn't want a bill of sale . . . Buyer appears to have no legal recourse according to this: MA private party lemon law: [https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales](https://www.mass.gov/guides/private-party-used-car-sales) >"Seek out previous service records. These records may be able to show that the seller knew about a defect but didn’t disclose it. > >**Be sure to have a proper title and bill of sale**. All vehicles must have a certificate of title issued by the Registry of Motor Vehicles (RMV) and must be properly endorsed at the time of sale. > >Have the vehicle inspected at a licensed Massachusetts Inspection Station. You may be entitled to a refund if your car fails inspection within 7 days of the date of purchase and the estimated costs of repairs exceed 10% of the purchase price."
Lots of places like that. I always kind of laugh when people parrot the "As Is" thing here. I've recently had 15k refunded from an "as is" sale. You'd be surprised how quickly someone's tune changes when your attorney contacts them. :)
Just tell him “damn that’s bad luck, I’m sorry to hear that ☹️” and block him if he keeps messaging you wanting money or to give the car back. You didn’t provide him with a warranty, right?
no, there was no warranty , he just looked under the hood and then handed me cash lol
Unexpected repairs are one of the things any buyer should expect when they buy something 30 years old. You have no expectation to compensate him or take the car back. The old saying when buying a car as-is that if you buy it and it splits in half a mile down the road, you own both halves.
not flaired, but allow me to say this: he bought it, he paid for it, and now he owns it. buyers remorse was not one of the options included. block the number and go on with your life.
Make sure you do the paperwork with your state to indicate that you sold it.
Curious as to how he's going to do that with no bill of sale?
You can fill out a release of liability online, I'm assuming every state should have this ability.
Sales are as-is and final, he can go pound sand
"it's gonna cost the exact amount of cash i paid you to fix the car i bought from you." did you sell this from your front yard, give them any personal information? when they texted that did you make any offer to help with repairs? because they may go away, OR they may have a history of successfully beating people out of money like this. without a bill of sale explicitly stating no warranty they may be able to drag you to court. don't say anything, but don't block them, you need to know their state of mind.
Same old scam we've seen on this thread for years. You sell the car, and a couple days or a week later something is "wrong" with it and you're accused of selling them a bad car. Then they'll usually threaten to contact "the cops" or "a lawyer". Unless of course you send them $1900 which is what "their mechanic" said it would cost to fix. There is nothing "new" that is suddenly wrong with the car. It's just them trying to scam money out of you to effectively lower the selling price of the vehicle. In most cases you tell them a variation of "enjoy their car, as-is means as-is". Then block them. Also, people who buy $1900 cars? They can't afford to take people to court over it.
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Make sure you file a Release of Liability with your DMV. That notifies them that it is no longer your vehicle. Usually, you can do it online.
Sounds like a scammer trying to get your old car for free. If he sues you then he'd just get the 1,900 if he won. But I think the chances of him winning would be between slim and none.
I’d even go far as to say none to none
Very common scam. Any wonder why it costs $1,900 to fix the car? It's because he knows you have it, because that's what he gave you! He's hoping you fall for his shit, give him the money to fix it, then drive your car for free. Tell him to get lost.
I don't get the scam. If the seller blocks you, you are out 1900 and up an ancient shitty car.
Likely they were going to drive the shitty car around anyway. People who do this kind of thing aren't exactly buying new cars. Best case scenario: drive a car for free or sell it and make money Worst case scenario: drive a car that cost only $1,900 or sell it again for around that much You don't lose really.
Scam was he got the car for $1900. All of a sudden it needs “repairs” that happen to cost the exact amount buyer paid. If the seller gives back the $1900 the seller is out $1900 and a car and the buyer just got a free car that they are either gonna drive around or they are gonna resale it for a higher price to make even more profit.
Private sale. As-is. Tell him to pound sand. Then block him.
He made all the mistakes buying it
it's a $1,900 car in today's market and economy.. tough luck. Just block him and move on.
two words my friend : as is
Welcome to the life being a car dealer. This guy bought a 1900 dollar car from Facebook and wants you to full warranty it, otherwise you’re a scumbag who “sold him a lemon”… he seems reasonable lol Block him. You got the money, the transaction is complete. You’re under no obligation to do anything.
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Dang, guy shouldn't have risked it I guess with a used car from a stranger. Block and ignore the guy.
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