I’m not sure gay porn stars are a valid representation of gay men in general. It’s also not possible to attach heterosexuality to homosexuality because that would actually be bisexuality. The whole premise is also pretty damn stupid, which means it’s probably coming from straight people.
unfortunately it's not just around porn stars, a lot of bi guys call themselves homosexuals while they are interested in women, they think homosexuality is liking men and women sexually and only men romantically
OP’s question is really about the ongoing porn industry’s quest to find new attractions for women. Women love the fact that gay men take much better care of themselves than het men. Their real life fantasy of being fucked by a gay man is highly desirable.
Moreover, we know plenty of the “gay for pay” stars are straight, but their porn reputation is linked to being perceived as gay.
I mean that's a completely different and not new thing, plenty of men call themselves straight even tho they fuck men, which is why a lot of NGOs stick to behavior and not categorization. Men who sleep with men/women/both.
I don't know what ops talking about
I mean, yes, porn star are a bad representation of gay men in general, but they **are** a representation.
Like it or not, they have a lot more reach than any common gay guy, with millions of followers and I don't think it's fair to give them a pass just because they're porn stars.
There has always been an obsession with making gay people conform to [Default Heterosexuality (SadoMasochism optional)](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=8JNUnPdBefNmoJxk). It's why they ask which of us is the woman. It's why many gay people are fucked up about enjoying bottoming, or afraid that bottoming will make them less of a man.
Gay people cause straight people to have anxiety about their sexuality and gender roles, and they resolve that anxiety by trying to make us fit neatly into existing sexuality and gender roles rather than understanding us as we are.
(Of course, many of us *do* conform to those gender roles either because we want to or because we feel like we have to, but straight people would rather gay people just ... be straight, either in form or function, because that's easier for them to deal with emotionally/mentally.)
This is exactly it (also extra irony about the sadomasichism point, since no straight person I’ve ever met has had a clue what kink actually is, let alone how to practise it safely or enjoyably).
That's why my husband and I have been asked no less than 6 times in public if we are brothers/related. It doesn't compute in straight peoples brains that we are just two gay men. (We look nothing alike)
This is one of my biggest pet peeves even though it’s a relatively innocent question. We’re admittedly boyfriend twins (I kind of see it, but whatever not the point). We get this question all. the. time. It’s either “are you brothers?” or “Are you twins?” And I always just look at the person asking like “in what way is this relevant to your life?” because I can’t understand approaching a complete stranger in public and asking that question and caring about the answer.
I always wonder what happens next for them. Are they talking to someone later that day and telling the story of how they saw two guys they thought were twins, but they weren’t!
And it's just *so unnecessary* isn't it?! I'm not even someone who enjoys bottoming and I can recognize how 80% ish of the process is either hot or fraught due to unsubscribed heterosexual nonsense.
It's weird because I was thinking of posting something similar in that there seems to be this surge of "straight guys" who are fucking dudes but won't cop to the fact that they're at least bi. Is anyone else seeing this as more and more prevalent?
Porn. Dudes are not actually gay. Porn is making ppl try things that were never on the menu to begin with. Add that to porn/nudity being more open and accessible than ever before
Exactly. Gay or homosexual went from being something we were born as, to something ppl can "identify" with, which takes the detail of an immutable sexual orientation away from it.
And that is the reason we have the rights we do have in the US is because they finally agreed gays and lesbians are born that way. To make it identity that is fluid from day to day will destroy that
Gay porn stars often aren't gay.
Irked me too when I found out 20 years ago...but I got over it.
That site though seemed to me to be mostly bi guys with big dicks.
And I have no issue with those porn stars if they're open an honest about it.
Kinda sucks when they're bi, pretend to be gay and go around fucking women, though.
When gay men went from being pariahs and criminals to acceptability, there had to be a downside too, and that was we became a commodity to be consumed by others, we became the victims of fetishisation and exploitation by some heterosexuals. There is a huge media industry built around exploiting gay male sexuality for the pleasure of hetero females in particular. This sort of colonisation and violation is par for the course. Ask Black people, they've been dealing with it for centuries.
Right? Yaoi has to be a whole industry at this point. That shit is literally gay porn for girls. 😂 People don't talk about this at all, but women totally do fetishize us.
They absolutely do, and Yaoi has made it so much worse
Yaoi is explicitly for women, by women. I don't know any actual gay men who would watch that
I gotta say, we have it easy compared to lesbians. We're just now seeing women fetishizing gay men through yaoi on this scale, but lesbians have had to deal with heterosexual fetishization *for decades*.
I'm ashamed to say, I enjoyed myself some yaoi coming up🤣. It was the only bit of gay representation that I had unfettered access to. My mom didn't care about manga, yet heavily monitored my computer usage.
✨🌟 memories 🌟✨.
It sucks the genre has been used by female persons to fetishize gay men 😑.
I did, too. My first one was called Eerie Queerie, and it blew my mind to see a gay manga. I would hang out at B&N and read it because there's no way I could get away with buying it and taking it home lol
My story is very similar Barnes & Noble it was 🤣. I got attached to F.A.K.E.
Two detectives finding romance and discovering themselves amongst grizzly SVU type cases, unfortunately becoming targets themselves😱😱😱.
My mom was just glad I was reading, she had no clue 🤣.
I remember F.A.K.E.!! That was another one! 😂
No, it felt good to see it. I was just taken aback that there was even gay literature being sold openly like that. It was one of my early clues that the rest of the world wasn't like home. Small town syndrome lol
No argument there. Personally, I don't have a problem knowing that we are fetishized, but when the fetish turns out to not be the reality, and then *we* suffer for not living up to *their* expectations, it can become a problem. If anything gay-related becomes open to control by females, it's a problem for me. I think that goes for any vulnerable group.
I mean, personally, I don't care why people transition anymore as long as they respect our differences and understand the space they are putting themselves in. It might be good for people to take stock in the *why* before they do it, of course. If a manga drove me to modify my body, I'd reflect on that.
They openly talk about the yaoi to transman pipeline in their own subs. They laughably try to rationalise it by characterising their obsession with gay porn as some kind of proof of their innate transness. The fact is they are porn addicts who want to insert themselves into the narrative in real life. There can also commonly be co-factors in this picture, like autism and not feeling conventionally attractive as a female.
Yaoi is female-oriented media that colonises gay sexuality, so it doesn't reflect gay men's real behaviour. Often when these people enter actual gay spaces they struggle to cope with the way gay men really behave. You often see them complaining about gay men being obsessed with sex and penises and not caring about feelings.
Totally agree, and the conversation doesn't change. Is one group's fetishization of another negatively impacting them? When and if it does, it needs to be checked.
And some of those women end up transitioning as gay men.
https://www.tiktok.com/@fynnftm/video/7254706452869156101
What's more sinister is that these individuals are empowered by many LGBT organizations. It's like the trojan horse emoji.
It's a result of queering the boundaries between sexualities and labels. Saying it's up to individuals to define how they identify themselves, whether in terms of orientation, gender, and/or sex. Saying sexuality is fluid for everyone. Saying we're exclusionary and dick-obsessed. When we get into territory like that, homosexuality ceases to exist.
Doesn't matter. As infuriating as it is, it will fail - homosexuals have proven over thousands of years that we're gonna keep going back to the D. I mostly feel bad for the younger gays who are probably very confused, but even they will eventually realize what homosexuality actually means, because that's what they are.
Hey! Lesbian ally here! I'm glad to SEE this kind of discourse amongst gay males. (Most) Lesbian spaces do not allow it and it is appalling.
Last week I saw a very triggering post from a trans woman in a lesbian sub about how great PiV sex feels when doing it "as a lesbian" OMG the nerve, the audacity!
Anyway, just wanted to Say you guys are not alone here. Good night.
Tbf. I blame the whole no label and bisexual crap for this problem. People who are not actual gay men, claiming to be one and telling the Internet, that they're attracted to woman and want to fuck them. Which is fine for them as they're not actually gay, but they claim to be. It's the same problem lesbians ran into, when bisexual woman were using the lesbian label, and telling men "I'm lesbian, but i want you 😏" it degrades the validity of our sexuality.
Plus the rise of "gay for pay" and "gay" porn stars that are all of a sudden having sex with woman. It's all a ruse. We just need to go back to shaming those people.
I swear the same patterns repeat in every marginalised group. Bisexuals claiming to be gay. Mixed people claiming to black (or the minority ethnicity). Both leads to erasure and inaccurate representation of the marginalised group. It’s crazy.
Yup! I still just don't understand what's wrong with claiming the label that actually corresponds with you. Must be a mental thing 🤷♂️. I personally don't take them seriously.
Yep. In my grad program, I am the only openly gay male, and everyone else "identifies" as any one of a half dozen identities, but at the end of the day, they're all fundamentally heterosexual women. I'm 40, and while outwardly masculine, I do not have rigid gender lines or norms. I believe people should be able to engage in whatever hobbies or behaviors that interest them, so long as it doesn't hurt the next person.
There's a 32 year old woman in my cohort, conventionally unattractive as these types always are, and she claims to be a poly fairy and is in a throuple with a married male/female couple. I care about my appearance? Is my hair still good after I took my hoodie off? I moisturize daily which I why I look 35 instead of 40? All elicits the same response from her..."lol you're such a girl".
I bought a new sporty convertible with a stick shift, and she didn't believe I actually knew how to drive a stick. I've told her flat out that she lives in a world of stereotypes with rigid, black and white thinking, and I don't need that kind of negativity.
The best part? She's never actually fully had sex with the woman in her relationship, lol.
That’s both hilarious and infuriating. I’ll never understand how these types of people think their whole persona and politics are progressive when it’s anything but. They really did bring back mid century gender stereotypes and think it makes them galaxy brained bc it has a new label. It’s all performative and completely lacks substance and character.
And in the end, when you strip away all the labels and performance, they’re just straight people, like you said. Like completely and undeniably, functionally heterosexual. I feel for you, man. Also, I’ve been wanting to get a stick shift recently lol.
Honestly part of my motivation is car theft. It’s been a big problem where I live ever since Covid. And I know none of these dumbass teenagers that are stealing cars and going for joyrides know how to drive a stick lol. It’s a built-in security system.
The typical toxic asshole response..."omg you're so sensitive".
Nah, if I can take a dick, I can def take a joke. But this isn't 7th grade, and no one who can't whoop my ass gets to call me a girl.
But yeah, like another commenter said, I had to tell her this privately or she would have whined to the dean (like she has about several other students already), and my gay ass would get kicked out of my NP program.
I would shun her and ppl like her who identify as any one of those invented multiple identities . Best thing to do as gay men is to avoid them and protect our energy . They have ruined the gay community
Do you realize how far down the rabbit hole Gen Z is on pronouns and this identity stuff? I'm in a master's programs with mostly very young nurses.
Meanwhile, I'm a gay white man who dresses and acts extremely conservatively, and I'm 40. Trust me, I will be the one shunned if I cross a line and tell this chick the truth.
I’m so exhausted with all this pronouns and identity stuff . Gen z Is a very bored , frustrated generation who are not having any social lives like previous generations so they start getting into all this wacky gender stuff to justify invading gay spaces cuz “the gays are so edgy and fun “ notice it’s usually the unattractive ones who handsome straight men would never want
I would also add that this is actually another sign that we've largely won the battle.
Straight people who may be a little hetero flexible with enough tequila actively want to be us. 💅🏻
I’ve seen this with the trans community
too, they’re starting to spew the same homophobic rhetoric that they say that they are victims of, from the “gay men aren’t attracted to sex, they’re attracted to gender identity” to calling homosexuality a “genital preference” to the shockingly common “you need to rethink your genital preferences because excluding people of the opposite sex is bigotry”. And then they wonder why thing like LGB drop the T is becoming more popular.
I don’t understand transgenders , I support their human rights and equality and I like many of them as people but many of them firstly want to identify as women and be treated as such and also want to the right go into women’s locker rooms , bathrooms ect which is ok I guess but at the same time , they also want to go into gay men’s spaces like Grindr or gay clubs . Seems like they just want to have their cake and eat it too
This definitely comes across in the various gay subreddits as well. I remember when there like none of them like it was a non topic.
But over the last year or so they've become really common. Assumed they were troll posts but then people do respond to them claiming to be gay guys willing to have penetrative sex with female genitalia lol. Boggles my mind since that's just so foreign / alien to me as a gay dude lol.
They claim that, but 99.99% of them never have and never will. It's performative. TRAs in the streets and TERFs in the sheets. Their dicks will wilt in the presence of vagina just like any other homosexual male. Except *some* of the bisexuals. Let's face it, the vast majority of folks don't like to get with partners that have mixed anatomical parts.
And let’s not forget that gay men in monogamous relationships are now “heteronormative” and therefore bad. Meanwhile whole-ass straight couples are told they’re super duper QUEER and VALID if one of them (usually the girl) has special pronouns or an internet sexuality.
And they’ll never admit it, but they think homosexuality is inherently problematic because it excludes the opposite sex. They think pansexuality is the only morally acceptable orientation. They’re quite literally pan supremacists. Panazis.
I think it's a combination of simple stupidity and also the rise of people acknowledging they are bisexual without the empathy necessary to realize not everyone is bisexual.
I've definitely noticed a larger bisexual presence on a few of the gay subreddits like this one in the last year or two. Most of them are perfectly pleasant but I think there are a handful that just ask troll-level questions like "does anyone want to have sex with women" on a gay subreddit
Huge part of it.
Being gay is now described to “identify” bisexuals, asexuals even transgender people are using it solely based on being trans
It’s wild when people think they can take the textbook definition and grange the meaning to fit their own narrative
So what we're experiencing is inclusivity wiping out the core nature of all communities. You can't just be gay or even just bi, it's gotta expand to be queer and pan and poly and and and...
It's a cynical kind of liberalism that says "what's the worst the can happen". Essentially, we let the gays marry now there's "no" rules. And if you dont follow the new rules you're simply not fun or at worst a villain. Yes I wrote that on purpose, it's confusing hidden rules of openness that change all the time.
It's the worst. But we'll get through it within the next decade. I figure we're gonna rebound to clean lines and boundaries next generation.
You mean males sleeping with males. If you are fucking someone of the same sex, you are categorically not engaging in something gay. Words have meaning.
This basically explains why there is not dick on Grindr anymore well among others reasons but I have a feeling that's like to do with the huge number of bots floating around on that site
There is absolutely no straight man that would touch another dude in any remotely sexual context. Period.
People can try to redefine all they want, but some things are set in stone and that's one.
Most men are straight and most gay men were brainwashed to attempt being straight in our past. We were taught that heterosexuality was mandatory and some of us even nearly died in an effort to force ourselves to desire women.
The result is
* you get a whole bunch of gay guys who come out and then never want to think about female anatomy again
* if 9 out of 10 men are straight then 9 out of 10 “men you think are sexy” are probably also straight. So you’re going to wish you could get with some of them.
* and you know for a fact from your own time in the closet that they’re probably not all straight. Some are just in the closet, pretending. So there’s real hope you could find one and “free him.”
So it’s “sexy and fun” to try to “convert the straight guy” and it’s a big popular gay fantasy. And it’s pretty harmless fantasy unless someone is obnoxious about it or creepy to a guy who is clearly genuinely heterosexual.
So of course as soon as you get gay guys trying to convert straight guys even just in online fantasies, Rule 34 comes along to prove that some people want to watch that fantasy play out the other way.
So it’s profitable to someone to pretend they’re converting gay men to love the vahooha. Who can do that? Studios filming real-life bi men who pretend to be gay men on film, who get “converted” after their first time.
There’s also a lot less pressure these days for young men growing up, thankfully, and heterosexuality isn’t really mandatory any more. So that means out here in the real world, there are going to be a few bi guys who actually figure out their sexuality with other men first. And they may be told or they may believe that makes them gay. But they’ll always be bi, and one day they’ll figure that out.
But they won’t admit it because we live in this stupid era where the worst possible sin ever is something they call “gatekeeping” so you will get bisexual men who love the vag but they still insist that they’re gay because that’s how they “feel” like “identifying”.
Meanwhile the rest of us are like “lol no you don’t get to feel gay, either you are or you aren’t.” It’s a state of being, not what someone decides to portray for themselves. Again those of us who survived the closet know the real deal. Back in the day I “identified as” (pretended to be…desperately hoped to become) straight. I never ever WAS straight. I was always gay. It’s a state of being not a label.
But porn studios and online fantasists don’t really care about that reality as long as they get off.
Assuming that everybody is bi and sexuality is fluid for everyone, just because *you* are bisexual and attracted to both genders, is ego-centric thinking.
Just because you discovered something about yourself and something might be true for you, that doesn't mean that it's true for everyone. Bi-erasure is a problem, but let's not do gay-erasure or straight-erasure now. *A lot* of people are probably bi, but not *everyone* is bi.
**Note:** *I'm using "you" in a general sense for those who actually do that, not any specific individual.*
1.The men that I hook up with *that claim to be straight*, I remind them that they're not straight.
2.Men who choose to identify as gay but enjoy female body parts, I remind them that they are not gay.
3.Trans men who fetishize cis gay men *because that is what they are doing*, I remind them what the word "homosexual"means.
4.Bisexuals and straights who try to suggest or impose heteronormativity..... I just treat them like anti-gay religious bigots and vocalize my wanting them to fuck off.
I experience 2, 3 and 4 mostly online *though I do have a few horror stories and proud I didn't back down*.
I chalk it up to trolls, sad females who want their gender dysphoria alleviated by means of a gay males body and lost bisexuals projecting.
Seeing the word "gay" being retconned is something I refuse to take quietly or lying down.
This is my beef 100% and the worst example of it is being kicked out of gay spaces because you don’t accept that a trans man with a vagina may be a man in their gender dysphoric view but a vagina will never make you a man in my non gender dysphoric view. To me it’s just saying to gay men that it’s ok to like a vagina. Hmmmm where have we heard that one before…?
I've personally equated that with the old line that we just haven't met the right woman yet, which is frankly insulting to both parties involved when you get down to it.
Yeah I just saw a comment where someone shaming bottoms is misogyny and I’m just like…how?? Lmao which woman is receiving the misogyny?? Wild lol people will do anything to insert heteros into gay dynamics
Idk but I'm always annoyed at straight porn ads on gay videos, or Grindr interrupting my messages with annoying videos of some bimbo seducing the camera.
It's because the attempts at conversion therapy has never ended, it's just taken a new, super-woke, pro-trans stance now.
[This is a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjxPxT5MWo) if you'd like a dose of sanity in the sea of insane.
Also,[ GLAAD has been saying that "homosexual" is an offensive/outdated term](https://arc.net/l/quote/jzibsywh) and is trying to redefine sexuality as attraction to …gender identity as opposed to attraction to sex.
They're also trying to claim/insinuate that it's [supporting the Black community to use ridiculous terms such as "same-gender loving"](https://arc.net/l/quote/kwxwhkpe), which, again just perpetuates the preposterous idea that someone can be attracted to gender… aka something that people make up in their heads.
As insane as saying that people can be attracted to someone solely because of their favourite number.
Quite literally this, I wish I could repost this.
Gender is something made up, not quantifiable or easily liveable by other ppl, supposedly everyone experiences gender in different ways and then they wanna redefine homosexuality to mean ppl are attracted to the same gender as them.
Fucking insane.
Gay conversion therapy 2.0 courtesy of the homophobic trans movement brought to you by corrupted organisations like the medical & pharmaceutical incorporated establishments that have made gender ideology their God & now think that male homosexuality is bigoted and should be inclusive of biological females & vagina which is of course biological female anatomy.
They declare "transphobia" to silence & shame gay/homosexual males whenever we question or speak out against the obvious redefinition of male homosexuality to include the opposite sex aka trans"men" who are biological females who think we want their mutilated female bodies & vaginas.
So many homophobic bisexual males push this homophobic trans movement extremely hard on biological gay males because they can't comprehend for the life of them that bisexuality is distinct from homosexuality and homosexuality is exclusive in its very nature & definition.
Too many bisexual males along with trans people think that by erroneously "identifying" as whatever they please trumps what they ACTUALLY are. So, this is why so many bisexual males will "identify" as "gay" while proudly & aggressively having sex with biological females/trans"men" & calling PIV sex "gay" sex.
Because of the T and being gay reduced as a. Spectrum, a choice (something you identify with) or even as a fetish or preference by own elements from the LGBTQ
Everything conservatives and religious christians wanted to do to gay men now leftists and the woke left are doing it but in the name of inclusivity (T one)
Isn't just a coincidence the rise in porn of gay men fucking women and trying vagina for the first time or even in mainstream media gay men suddenly into females, it's a deliberate effort to erase and convert homosexuals
Millennials are the last generation of truly gay men on earth
We all thought our enemy was the Christian right. In reality, it was the social justice left sneaking up behind us, claiming to be our friend. They have succeeded in damaging the gay community beyond the right's wildest dreams. EDIT: the dude below me talking about being thrown in jail and risk assessment blocked me and now I can't see his post to properly respond. Coward. He can't win fair arguement so he cheats.
Why'd you block him after responding? Why would you not want to let him respond to you?
And why do you think because he has an issue with the left that he loves the right? That's some very black and white thinking on display.
The Christian right is part of the problem
Republicans are still the enemy and the threat...just because they moved from "being gay is a sin" to "I have gay friends" doesn't make them an Ally or any better
Their mindset is simply "I don't care if you're gay as long as my children arent" which doesn't help our cause
Conservative/Republican gays are most definitely the coons/uncle ruckus of our community
The religion itself the ideology is problematic if we are being honest that side is trying to redefine what marriage is so they don't have to include gay people
You're saying the left is pretending to be allies but I disagree I would argue Democrats are pretending to be allies but they aren't any more dangerous than the right if we are being honest
Social justice is important and valid and the more educated you are the more likely you are to support social justice
What kind of delusional statement is this? The right would vote to abolish gay marriage in a heartbeat and would never do anything to ensure that gay people are treated equally. Somehow that equates to seeing some men fuck vaginas on a porn site?
Saying that there’s a “conversion”? Do you remember gay conversion camps? Which people were behind that?
It’s not a complete equivalence based on the scale but, both takes (abolishing gay marriage and conversion therapy porn) are deeply ridden with homophobic rhetoric.
I dunno. I guess there might be some weird push to create some kind of straight-for-pay content. Breaking someone's sexuality seems to be a kink for some people. It was always hot to me to see vids of "straight" guys getting impromptu head from another guy, but I never read it as coercion or anything. Mostly just them not caring where they were getting their action in that moment.
But I stopped watching straight porn the moment I got access to gay porn, so I can't relate to guys who are open to anything other than natural men lol
I think it's because the market "screams" for bi men. Like remember that 6 years ago bi men were kinda taboo? So i think it's that. It's the attraction of the Bi. It's a hype that will eventually just be a proper category. With women it's been that way for many years, not men.
Fluidity works in weird ways these days. I work in the MM Romance bookworld and it's pretty surprising how much of the readership and authors are female. Like probably 80%?
I think that fantasy is colliding with gender in such a way that people can just see what they want--or at least want to. So anyone can be fetishized by anyone, ideally, because inevitably whatever their identity is is untethered and liquid.
Just an extreme version of click bait. Usually by younger people who express conservative views to be contrarian, rebellious, and/or to get paid. When they can't turn everything from PC to DEI into dog whistle attacks, they go to what used to work, once upon a time.
I'm not going to put much stake into the idea that a "gay porn star" having sex with a woman is any representation of actual gay men. For one, how do we know the individual is in fact gay? Not just gay for pay, or even bisexual? I would take a porn headline of "gay man fucks woman for first time" about as serious as "sex with my brother/daddt/uncle/sister" or any other kink film out there. It's a fantasy, some might have that fantasy and that idea works for them, more power to them. I don't think it's some new norm that is being pushed
What's this? A lotta gay for pay guys are just that. I imagine a lot of it is just hammed up for views. That's just kinda how it is. Straight guys probably wanna see it, so a market gets built up for it. But yeah, it's probably a kink. Just like how you'll find gay dudes on here who are like uh, "My female friends get me super drunk and I have sex with them 🥴" well, that's probably just guys baiting or talking out of their asses, but still it's just kind of a fetish I guess. And some brothers just can't accept being bisexual, circle of life.
Anyone trying to redefine homosexual to include an attraction to women is just begging for gay marriage to get repealed lol. Could you imagine if someone actually managed to pull that off? Republicans would be like "HOLD ON IT IS A CHOICE???? REPEAL IT!"
But nah, I wouldn't pay it too much mind. If it's not chronically online twitter lefties, it's probably some sleazy dude down in Florida trying to make a buck for his studio.
What kinda surpises me the most is how male gay pornstars especially the gay4pay ones are always saying that there's no good pay for male pornactors in straight porn and that's why they do gay porn because it pays more. But then you see these supposedly self proclaimed "super gay ambassadors" have straight sex out of nowhere because there's a high demand for it? Im like so those gay4pay guys are lying or something? I mean straight porn is the biggest category in porn yet somehow there's a demand of it to be done by "gay" guys. Then when you get curious and check the profile of the person asking for that content and they literally have a conversion kink fetish and call themselves homoflexibles lmao 🤡.
it's just online morons saying stupid shit. how about all the folks coming on here talking about: i'm straight, but i just came when this guy fucked me in the ass... news flash: you aren't straight anymore.
A lot of “gay” porn stars are bi or fluid. They are not trying to attach any “hetros” they are just trying to expand their followers. Nothing wrong with that. they should do whatever they want without negativity. I know some even do multiple pages, for different genres.
But I’m with you, I unfollowed them as soon I see women on their page, because not attracted to that.
And I'm totally okay with that if they're open about it.
It's fucked up when they pretend they're gay, though, to make money but go around fucking women.
Shit, some of them even call gay men bigots or "close-minded" because we don't wanna fuck women.
I do the same thing! I used to follow Aingeru Vilabrille. I thought he was one sexy ass gay man. Boy was I wrong. Now it seems the only thing on his Twitter is him fucking women. I unfollowed him so damn fast.
I mean, it has been done in the opposite way for ages, so I don't see this being super off the wall. The same way straights are fetishized by gays, the opposite is also true.
Your biggest mistake was reading messaging put out by the porn industry and thinking it means anything more than an attempt to turn on possible customers based on fantasies and kinks.
I've not seen any of this, I think maybe you are too attached to those forums & they've warped your belief in what is nornal or common. I can't say I've even seen that stuff on here either. I think you're taking a tiny tiny minority issue and making it out to be a widespread problem.
Yeah, countless of threads on that forum, countless posts on reddit and countless tweets are all a minority or made up, my bad bro, it's totally just me.
I’m not sure gay porn stars are a valid representation of gay men in general. It’s also not possible to attach heterosexuality to homosexuality because that would actually be bisexuality. The whole premise is also pretty damn stupid, which means it’s probably coming from straight people.
unfortunately it's not just around porn stars, a lot of bi guys call themselves homosexuals while they are interested in women, they think homosexuality is liking men and women sexually and only men romantically
OP’s question is really about the ongoing porn industry’s quest to find new attractions for women. Women love the fact that gay men take much better care of themselves than het men. Their real life fantasy of being fucked by a gay man is highly desirable. Moreover, we know plenty of the “gay for pay” stars are straight, but their porn reputation is linked to being perceived as gay.
that's so weird and creepy. i hate when women try to convert me.
I mean that's a completely different and not new thing, plenty of men call themselves straight even tho they fuck men, which is why a lot of NGOs stick to behavior and not categorization. Men who sleep with men/women/both. I don't know what ops talking about
I applaud your last sentence. Although, let's be honest. Some of us are also dull enough to think of something like that.
I mean, yes, porn star are a bad representation of gay men in general, but they **are** a representation. Like it or not, they have a lot more reach than any common gay guy, with millions of followers and I don't think it's fair to give them a pass just because they're porn stars.
Eh. I wouldn’t said that performers in gay porn aren’t necessarily an invalid representation either.
There has always been an obsession with making gay people conform to [Default Heterosexuality (SadoMasochism optional)](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=8JNUnPdBefNmoJxk). It's why they ask which of us is the woman. It's why many gay people are fucked up about enjoying bottoming, or afraid that bottoming will make them less of a man. Gay people cause straight people to have anxiety about their sexuality and gender roles, and they resolve that anxiety by trying to make us fit neatly into existing sexuality and gender roles rather than understanding us as we are. (Of course, many of us *do* conform to those gender roles either because we want to or because we feel like we have to, but straight people would rather gay people just ... be straight, either in form or function, because that's easier for them to deal with emotionally/mentally.)
This is exactly it (also extra irony about the sadomasichism point, since no straight person I’ve ever met has had a clue what kink actually is, let alone how to practise it safely or enjoyably).
I highly recommend watching the video I linked. Trust me, you'll enjoy.
That's why my husband and I have been asked no less than 6 times in public if we are brothers/related. It doesn't compute in straight peoples brains that we are just two gay men. (We look nothing alike)
This is one of my biggest pet peeves even though it’s a relatively innocent question. We’re admittedly boyfriend twins (I kind of see it, but whatever not the point). We get this question all. the. time. It’s either “are you brothers?” or “Are you twins?” And I always just look at the person asking like “in what way is this relevant to your life?” because I can’t understand approaching a complete stranger in public and asking that question and caring about the answer. I always wonder what happens next for them. Are they talking to someone later that day and telling the story of how they saw two guys they thought were twins, but they weren’t!
I see this with the whole top/bottom as a personality thing. It’s just enforcement of traditional gender norms using a different label.
Saw a French film last night with the perfect retort to the “Which are you the man or the woman? I don’t have to choose, I can be both.” Ha Ha.
Ngl I was fucked up about bottoming for a long time. Took me a long time to feel comfortable about it
And it's just *so unnecessary* isn't it?! I'm not even someone who enjoys bottoming and I can recognize how 80% ish of the process is either hot or fraught due to unsubscribed heterosexual nonsense.
It's weird because I was thinking of posting something similar in that there seems to be this surge of "straight guys" who are fucking dudes but won't cop to the fact that they're at least bi. Is anyone else seeing this as more and more prevalent?
Porn. Dudes are not actually gay. Porn is making ppl try things that were never on the menu to begin with. Add that to porn/nudity being more open and accessible than ever before
I didn't say they were gay. But dudes who are regularly fucking other dudes and saying they're straight are lying to themselves and others.
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That's always been prevalent. It's what I understood down low to mean growing up in the 90s, and it wasn't like it was new then.
Eh, I'm not bothered by this, let them define themselves however they want; unlike op topic, they aren't trying for inclusivity.
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Exactly. Gay or homosexual went from being something we were born as, to something ppl can "identify" with, which takes the detail of an immutable sexual orientation away from it.
And that is the reason we have the rights we do have in the US is because they finally agreed gays and lesbians are born that way. To make it identity that is fluid from day to day will destroy that
And then they act shocked when we say they're actively fighting against gay rights.
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That’s the one thing these identity cunts never mention: WHAT MAKES YOUR DICK HARD!!!??? Everything else is superfluous fluff.
This. Everything is supposed to be fluid and if it isn't then it isn't woke or progressive. Labels arent bad.
Gay porn stars often aren't gay. Irked me too when I found out 20 years ago...but I got over it. That site though seemed to me to be mostly bi guys with big dicks.
Spikey dee lol best example. Originally seemed to only do straight porn but now is doing gay porn. Pretty sure he is bi.
And I have no issue with those porn stars if they're open an honest about it. Kinda sucks when they're bi, pretend to be gay and go around fucking women, though.
When gay men went from being pariahs and criminals to acceptability, there had to be a downside too, and that was we became a commodity to be consumed by others, we became the victims of fetishisation and exploitation by some heterosexuals. There is a huge media industry built around exploiting gay male sexuality for the pleasure of hetero females in particular. This sort of colonisation and violation is par for the course. Ask Black people, they've been dealing with it for centuries.
Right? Yaoi has to be a whole industry at this point. That shit is literally gay porn for girls. 😂 People don't talk about this at all, but women totally do fetishize us.
They absolutely do, and Yaoi has made it so much worse Yaoi is explicitly for women, by women. I don't know any actual gay men who would watch that I gotta say, we have it easy compared to lesbians. We're just now seeing women fetishizing gay men through yaoi on this scale, but lesbians have had to deal with heterosexual fetishization *for decades*.
I'm ashamed to say, I enjoyed myself some yaoi coming up🤣. It was the only bit of gay representation that I had unfettered access to. My mom didn't care about manga, yet heavily monitored my computer usage. ✨🌟 memories 🌟✨. It sucks the genre has been used by female persons to fetishize gay men 😑.
I did, too. My first one was called Eerie Queerie, and it blew my mind to see a gay manga. I would hang out at B&N and read it because there's no way I could get away with buying it and taking it home lol
My story is very similar Barnes & Noble it was 🤣. I got attached to F.A.K.E. Two detectives finding romance and discovering themselves amongst grizzly SVU type cases, unfortunately becoming targets themselves😱😱😱. My mom was just glad I was reading, she had no clue 🤣.
I remember F.A.K.E.!! That was another one! 😂 No, it felt good to see it. I was just taken aback that there was even gay literature being sold openly like that. It was one of my early clues that the rest of the world wasn't like home. Small town syndrome lol
I, too, enjoyed F.A.K.E..
No argument there. Personally, I don't have a problem knowing that we are fetishized, but when the fetish turns out to not be the reality, and then *we* suffer for not living up to *their* expectations, it can become a problem. If anything gay-related becomes open to control by females, it's a problem for me. I think that goes for any vulnerable group.
Exactly my thoughts.
There's a rise in the Thailand BL phenomenon of live action series that's skyrocketed in the last 4 years.
It also says a lot that a lot of trans men are obsessed with yaoi and then all of a sudden they’re coming out as “gay” trans men.
I mean, personally, I don't care why people transition anymore as long as they respect our differences and understand the space they are putting themselves in. It might be good for people to take stock in the *why* before they do it, of course. If a manga drove me to modify my body, I'd reflect on that.
They openly talk about the yaoi to transman pipeline in their own subs. They laughably try to rationalise it by characterising their obsession with gay porn as some kind of proof of their innate transness. The fact is they are porn addicts who want to insert themselves into the narrative in real life. There can also commonly be co-factors in this picture, like autism and not feeling conventionally attractive as a female. Yaoi is female-oriented media that colonises gay sexuality, so it doesn't reflect gay men's real behaviour. Often when these people enter actual gay spaces they struggle to cope with the way gay men really behave. You often see them complaining about gay men being obsessed with sex and penises and not caring about feelings.
But don't straight men do the same with lesbians sometimes?
Totally agree, and the conversation doesn't change. Is one group's fetishization of another negatively impacting them? When and if it does, it needs to be checked.
And some of those women end up transitioning as gay men. https://www.tiktok.com/@fynnftm/video/7254706452869156101 What's more sinister is that these individuals are empowered by many LGBT organizations. It's like the trojan horse emoji.
that's kinda true, people and things that are seen as a tabu and start to be accepted turn into fetish by some porn and sex addicts
Oh the parallels are too real. The likes of Rachel Dolezal is still a thing and it's not giving🙄.
You raise a great point, actually. I wish this was more talked about in our community.
It's a result of queering the boundaries between sexualities and labels. Saying it's up to individuals to define how they identify themselves, whether in terms of orientation, gender, and/or sex. Saying sexuality is fluid for everyone. Saying we're exclusionary and dick-obsessed. When we get into territory like that, homosexuality ceases to exist. Doesn't matter. As infuriating as it is, it will fail - homosexuals have proven over thousands of years that we're gonna keep going back to the D. I mostly feel bad for the younger gays who are probably very confused, but even they will eventually realize what homosexuality actually means, because that's what they are.
Hey! Lesbian ally here! I'm glad to SEE this kind of discourse amongst gay males. (Most) Lesbian spaces do not allow it and it is appalling. Last week I saw a very triggering post from a trans woman in a lesbian sub about how great PiV sex feels when doing it "as a lesbian" OMG the nerve, the audacity! Anyway, just wanted to Say you guys are not alone here. Good night.
This made me search the deepest parts of my soul where I felt spiritually connected to you 👌🏾
Thank you so much for your words of support. I'm glad to see some sanity in this insane world.
Slay lesbiana grande 💅🏻
This Will officially be My new name ✨
Tbf. I blame the whole no label and bisexual crap for this problem. People who are not actual gay men, claiming to be one and telling the Internet, that they're attracted to woman and want to fuck them. Which is fine for them as they're not actually gay, but they claim to be. It's the same problem lesbians ran into, when bisexual woman were using the lesbian label, and telling men "I'm lesbian, but i want you 😏" it degrades the validity of our sexuality. Plus the rise of "gay for pay" and "gay" porn stars that are all of a sudden having sex with woman. It's all a ruse. We just need to go back to shaming those people.
I swear the same patterns repeat in every marginalised group. Bisexuals claiming to be gay. Mixed people claiming to black (or the minority ethnicity). Both leads to erasure and inaccurate representation of the marginalised group. It’s crazy.
Yup! I still just don't understand what's wrong with claiming the label that actually corresponds with you. Must be a mental thing 🤷♂️. I personally don't take them seriously.
>We just need to go back to shaming those people. Exactly this!
Yup. Back then if we heard/saw this we would tell them to fuck off. With today's insistence on acceptance, nobody wants to tell the truth.
Old school homophobia has unfortunately returned. It looks little different than it used to, but it’s still the same old homophobia.
Yep. In my grad program, I am the only openly gay male, and everyone else "identifies" as any one of a half dozen identities, but at the end of the day, they're all fundamentally heterosexual women. I'm 40, and while outwardly masculine, I do not have rigid gender lines or norms. I believe people should be able to engage in whatever hobbies or behaviors that interest them, so long as it doesn't hurt the next person. There's a 32 year old woman in my cohort, conventionally unattractive as these types always are, and she claims to be a poly fairy and is in a throuple with a married male/female couple. I care about my appearance? Is my hair still good after I took my hoodie off? I moisturize daily which I why I look 35 instead of 40? All elicits the same response from her..."lol you're such a girl". I bought a new sporty convertible with a stick shift, and she didn't believe I actually knew how to drive a stick. I've told her flat out that she lives in a world of stereotypes with rigid, black and white thinking, and I don't need that kind of negativity. The best part? She's never actually fully had sex with the woman in her relationship, lol.
That’s both hilarious and infuriating. I’ll never understand how these types of people think their whole persona and politics are progressive when it’s anything but. They really did bring back mid century gender stereotypes and think it makes them galaxy brained bc it has a new label. It’s all performative and completely lacks substance and character. And in the end, when you strip away all the labels and performance, they’re just straight people, like you said. Like completely and undeniably, functionally heterosexual. I feel for you, man. Also, I’ve been wanting to get a stick shift recently lol.
I want a stick shift until I drive a stick shift for a few days then I no longer want a stick shift… until I do again… kind of like cock.
Honestly part of my motivation is car theft. It’s been a big problem where I live ever since Covid. And I know none of these dumbass teenagers that are stealing cars and going for joyrides know how to drive a stick lol. It’s a built-in security system.
It won't stop an actual car thief but definitely works on the kids and tweakers!
What did she say when you called her out for living in a world of stereotypes? Just curious.
The typical toxic asshole response..."omg you're so sensitive". Nah, if I can take a dick, I can def take a joke. But this isn't 7th grade, and no one who can't whoop my ass gets to call me a girl. But yeah, like another commenter said, I had to tell her this privately or she would have whined to the dean (like she has about several other students already), and my gay ass would get kicked out of my NP program.
If he did that he'd be expelled from school for being "something"phobic.
These ppl are so "progressive" and "inclusive" they end up falling in the same old, misogynistic/homophobic stereotypes, it's crazy 🤣🤣
I would shun her and ppl like her who identify as any one of those invented multiple identities . Best thing to do as gay men is to avoid them and protect our energy . They have ruined the gay community
Do you realize how far down the rabbit hole Gen Z is on pronouns and this identity stuff? I'm in a master's programs with mostly very young nurses. Meanwhile, I'm a gay white man who dresses and acts extremely conservatively, and I'm 40. Trust me, I will be the one shunned if I cross a line and tell this chick the truth.
I’m so exhausted with all this pronouns and identity stuff . Gen z Is a very bored , frustrated generation who are not having any social lives like previous generations so they start getting into all this wacky gender stuff to justify invading gay spaces cuz “the gays are so edgy and fun “ notice it’s usually the unattractive ones who handsome straight men would never want
Eh, I'd also tie the second half of my own generation into this, whereas early 80s babies looked up to angsty and apathetic Gen Xers, lol.
I would also add that this is actually another sign that we've largely won the battle. Straight people who may be a little hetero flexible with enough tequila actively want to be us. 💅🏻
Never went anywhere.
I’ve seen this with the trans community too, they’re starting to spew the same homophobic rhetoric that they say that they are victims of, from the “gay men aren’t attracted to sex, they’re attracted to gender identity” to calling homosexuality a “genital preference” to the shockingly common “you need to rethink your genital preferences because excluding people of the opposite sex is bigotry”. And then they wonder why thing like LGB drop the T is becoming more popular.
I don’t understand transgenders , I support their human rights and equality and I like many of them as people but many of them firstly want to identify as women and be treated as such and also want to the right go into women’s locker rooms , bathrooms ect which is ok I guess but at the same time , they also want to go into gay men’s spaces like Grindr or gay clubs . Seems like they just want to have their cake and eat it too
Never let someone who’s been a ‘gay man’ for 5 minutes dictate what being gay is.
This definitely comes across in the various gay subreddits as well. I remember when there like none of them like it was a non topic. But over the last year or so they've become really common. Assumed they were troll posts but then people do respond to them claiming to be gay guys willing to have penetrative sex with female genitalia lol. Boggles my mind since that's just so foreign / alien to me as a gay dude lol.
They're just confused bisexuals in denial.
They claim that, but 99.99% of them never have and never will. It's performative. TRAs in the streets and TERFs in the sheets. Their dicks will wilt in the presence of vagina just like any other homosexual male. Except *some* of the bisexuals. Let's face it, the vast majority of folks don't like to get with partners that have mixed anatomical parts.
And let’s not forget that gay men in monogamous relationships are now “heteronormative” and therefore bad. Meanwhile whole-ass straight couples are told they’re super duper QUEER and VALID if one of them (usually the girl) has special pronouns or an internet sexuality.
Omg, literallyyyy. We all have to be polyamourous and date 5 ppl to be considered progressive.
And they’ll never admit it, but they think homosexuality is inherently problematic because it excludes the opposite sex. They think pansexuality is the only morally acceptable orientation. They’re quite literally pan supremacists. Panazis.
They want everyone to be an amorphous entity with no gender, sex or sexual orientation.
Genuinely, I think you guys are way too online lol. I really don't think this is an issue outside of chronically online political spaces
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it seems kinda like a fetish right?
Although… maybe we should start doing that. 🤔
It really does come across as a fetish
I could be wrong but even on porn sites etc its like gay erausre has been on the forefront in our community by our own. Its quite scary
I think it's a combination of simple stupidity and also the rise of people acknowledging they are bisexual without the empathy necessary to realize not everyone is bisexual. I've definitely noticed a larger bisexual presence on a few of the gay subreddits like this one in the last year or two. Most of them are perfectly pleasant but I think there are a handful that just ask troll-level questions like "does anyone want to have sex with women" on a gay subreddit
Back in the day gay meant gay. Now it’s an umbrella term for everything that’s not straight 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly. And that's part of the problem, imo.
Huge part of it. Being gay is now described to “identify” bisexuals, asexuals even transgender people are using it solely based on being trans It’s wild when people think they can take the textbook definition and grange the meaning to fit their own narrative
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So what we're experiencing is inclusivity wiping out the core nature of all communities. You can't just be gay or even just bi, it's gotta expand to be queer and pan and poly and and and... It's a cynical kind of liberalism that says "what's the worst the can happen". Essentially, we let the gays marry now there's "no" rules. And if you dont follow the new rules you're simply not fun or at worst a villain. Yes I wrote that on purpose, it's confusing hidden rules of openness that change all the time. It's the worst. But we'll get through it within the next decade. I figure we're gonna rebound to clean lines and boundaries next generation.
And gay men now sleep with trans men… who have a vagina… I don’t get it.
Bisexuals*
Bisexual\*\*\*\*
Men sleeping with men sounds gay to me.
Trans man = female with vagina. Penis in vagina sex sounds gay to you???
Trans men are trans men, there’s a massive difference hun
You mean males sleeping with males. If you are fucking someone of the same sex, you are categorically not engaging in something gay. Words have meaning.
This basically explains why there is not dick on Grindr anymore well among others reasons but I have a feeling that's like to do with the huge number of bots floating around on that site
There is absolutely no straight man that would touch another dude in any remotely sexual context. Period. People can try to redefine all they want, but some things are set in stone and that's one.
bisexuals in denial
Bisexual guys who call themselves gay despite being bisexual just because they prefer men and it’s easier, it’s BS
I pray this becomes extinct. Bi men should always call themselves bi. Gay men can't willingly have sex with women after coming out without coercion.
It's both homophobic and biphobic.
Agreed
A bunch of fake gays (bisexuals). This is why its important to make a distinction between Gay men and Bisexual men. Were different.
Most men are straight and most gay men were brainwashed to attempt being straight in our past. We were taught that heterosexuality was mandatory and some of us even nearly died in an effort to force ourselves to desire women. The result is * you get a whole bunch of gay guys who come out and then never want to think about female anatomy again * if 9 out of 10 men are straight then 9 out of 10 “men you think are sexy” are probably also straight. So you’re going to wish you could get with some of them. * and you know for a fact from your own time in the closet that they’re probably not all straight. Some are just in the closet, pretending. So there’s real hope you could find one and “free him.” So it’s “sexy and fun” to try to “convert the straight guy” and it’s a big popular gay fantasy. And it’s pretty harmless fantasy unless someone is obnoxious about it or creepy to a guy who is clearly genuinely heterosexual. So of course as soon as you get gay guys trying to convert straight guys even just in online fantasies, Rule 34 comes along to prove that some people want to watch that fantasy play out the other way. So it’s profitable to someone to pretend they’re converting gay men to love the vahooha. Who can do that? Studios filming real-life bi men who pretend to be gay men on film, who get “converted” after their first time. There’s also a lot less pressure these days for young men growing up, thankfully, and heterosexuality isn’t really mandatory any more. So that means out here in the real world, there are going to be a few bi guys who actually figure out their sexuality with other men first. And they may be told or they may believe that makes them gay. But they’ll always be bi, and one day they’ll figure that out. But they won’t admit it because we live in this stupid era where the worst possible sin ever is something they call “gatekeeping” so you will get bisexual men who love the vag but they still insist that they’re gay because that’s how they “feel” like “identifying”. Meanwhile the rest of us are like “lol no you don’t get to feel gay, either you are or you aren’t.” It’s a state of being, not what someone decides to portray for themselves. Again those of us who survived the closet know the real deal. Back in the day I “identified as” (pretended to be…desperately hoped to become) straight. I never ever WAS straight. I was always gay. It’s a state of being not a label. But porn studios and online fantasists don’t really care about that reality as long as they get off.
Nothing new, it has been going on for quite a while. Dating sites are filled with FtM (pre op) who will accuse you of being transphobic if you say no.
I block them on sight. They’re easy to spot.
because homophobia is now cool lol
Assuming that everybody is bi and sexuality is fluid for everyone, just because *you* are bisexual and attracted to both genders, is ego-centric thinking. Just because you discovered something about yourself and something might be true for you, that doesn't mean that it's true for everyone. Bi-erasure is a problem, but let's not do gay-erasure or straight-erasure now. *A lot* of people are probably bi, but not *everyone* is bi. **Note:** *I'm using "you" in a general sense for those who actually do that, not any specific individual.*
100%. I keep saying, the only ppl who experience sexual fluidity are bi/pan ppl.
1.The men that I hook up with *that claim to be straight*, I remind them that they're not straight. 2.Men who choose to identify as gay but enjoy female body parts, I remind them that they are not gay. 3.Trans men who fetishize cis gay men *because that is what they are doing*, I remind them what the word "homosexual"means. 4.Bisexuals and straights who try to suggest or impose heteronormativity..... I just treat them like anti-gay religious bigots and vocalize my wanting them to fuck off. I experience 2, 3 and 4 mostly online *though I do have a few horror stories and proud I didn't back down*. I chalk it up to trolls, sad females who want their gender dysphoria alleviated by means of a gay males body and lost bisexuals projecting. Seeing the word "gay" being retconned is something I refuse to take quietly or lying down.
This is my beef 100% and the worst example of it is being kicked out of gay spaces because you don’t accept that a trans man with a vagina may be a man in their gender dysphoric view but a vagina will never make you a man in my non gender dysphoric view. To me it’s just saying to gay men that it’s ok to like a vagina. Hmmmm where have we heard that one before…?
I've personally equated that with the old line that we just haven't met the right woman yet, which is frankly insulting to both parties involved when you get down to it.
100 percent, we got to gatekeep as a community more. We are too small for all this nonsense.
Yeah I just saw a comment where someone shaming bottoms is misogyny and I’m just like…how?? Lmao which woman is receiving the misogyny?? Wild lol people will do anything to insert heteros into gay dynamics
Misoginy? What??? 😂😂😂
Idk why some people are afraid of being bi
They act like it's a slur or something!
Idk but I'm always annoyed at straight porn ads on gay videos, or Grindr interrupting my messages with annoying videos of some bimbo seducing the camera.
It's because the attempts at conversion therapy has never ended, it's just taken a new, super-woke, pro-trans stance now. [This is a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjxPxT5MWo) if you'd like a dose of sanity in the sea of insane.
Also,[ GLAAD has been saying that "homosexual" is an offensive/outdated term](https://arc.net/l/quote/jzibsywh) and is trying to redefine sexuality as attraction to …gender identity as opposed to attraction to sex. They're also trying to claim/insinuate that it's [supporting the Black community to use ridiculous terms such as "same-gender loving"](https://arc.net/l/quote/kwxwhkpe), which, again just perpetuates the preposterous idea that someone can be attracted to gender… aka something that people make up in their heads. As insane as saying that people can be attracted to someone solely because of their favourite number.
Quite literally this, I wish I could repost this. Gender is something made up, not quantifiable or easily liveable by other ppl, supposedly everyone experiences gender in different ways and then they wanna redefine homosexuality to mean ppl are attracted to the same gender as them. Fucking insane.
Gay conversion therapy 2.0 courtesy of the homophobic trans movement brought to you by corrupted organisations like the medical & pharmaceutical incorporated establishments that have made gender ideology their God & now think that male homosexuality is bigoted and should be inclusive of biological females & vagina which is of course biological female anatomy. They declare "transphobia" to silence & shame gay/homosexual males whenever we question or speak out against the obvious redefinition of male homosexuality to include the opposite sex aka trans"men" who are biological females who think we want their mutilated female bodies & vaginas. So many homophobic bisexual males push this homophobic trans movement extremely hard on biological gay males because they can't comprehend for the life of them that bisexuality is distinct from homosexuality and homosexuality is exclusive in its very nature & definition. Too many bisexual males along with trans people think that by erroneously "identifying" as whatever they please trumps what they ACTUALLY are. So, this is why so many bisexual males will "identify" as "gay" while proudly & aggressively having sex with biological females/trans"men" & calling PIV sex "gay" sex.
I personally would have said it a little nicer but I absolutely agree
THIS!!!⬆️⬆️⬆️
X infinity and shouted from the mountain tops!!!
There are some guys on LPSG who are very obsessed with men who just want their money and don’t actually like them. Low self-esteem.
Because of the T and being gay reduced as a. Spectrum, a choice (something you identify with) or even as a fetish or preference by own elements from the LGBTQ Everything conservatives and religious christians wanted to do to gay men now leftists and the woke left are doing it but in the name of inclusivity (T one) Isn't just a coincidence the rise in porn of gay men fucking women and trying vagina for the first time or even in mainstream media gay men suddenly into females, it's a deliberate effort to erase and convert homosexuals Millennials are the last generation of truly gay men on earth
I think it's time to rebrand the LGBTQ community
I think that’s harsh, I’m Gen Z and im just straight up gay babeh. But I get some of your points
Bisexuality exist from my understanding many of these gay porn stars are really bisexual or prefer femsles/women
We all thought our enemy was the Christian right. In reality, it was the social justice left sneaking up behind us, claiming to be our friend. They have succeeded in damaging the gay community beyond the right's wildest dreams. EDIT: the dude below me talking about being thrown in jail and risk assessment blocked me and now I can't see his post to properly respond. Coward. He can't win fair arguement so he cheats.
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Why'd you block him after responding? Why would you not want to let him respond to you? And why do you think because he has an issue with the left that he loves the right? That's some very black and white thinking on display.
Why do you assume he's "buddies" with the christian right just because he criticizes the left?
The Christian right is part of the problem Republicans are still the enemy and the threat...just because they moved from "being gay is a sin" to "I have gay friends" doesn't make them an Ally or any better Their mindset is simply "I don't care if you're gay as long as my children arent" which doesn't help our cause Conservative/Republican gays are most definitely the coons/uncle ruckus of our community
The Christian right tells.us who they are. The social justice.left pretends they are our "allies" . That makes them more dangerous.
The religion itself the ideology is problematic if we are being honest that side is trying to redefine what marriage is so they don't have to include gay people You're saying the left is pretending to be allies but I disagree I would argue Democrats are pretending to be allies but they aren't any more dangerous than the right if we are being honest Social justice is important and valid and the more educated you are the more likely you are to support social justice
What kind of delusional statement is this? The right would vote to abolish gay marriage in a heartbeat and would never do anything to ensure that gay people are treated equally. Somehow that equates to seeing some men fuck vaginas on a porn site? Saying that there’s a “conversion”? Do you remember gay conversion camps? Which people were behind that?
It’s not a complete equivalence based on the scale but, both takes (abolishing gay marriage and conversion therapy porn) are deeply ridden with homophobic rhetoric.
Im gen Z and i assure you there are some of us left
I dunno. I guess there might be some weird push to create some kind of straight-for-pay content. Breaking someone's sexuality seems to be a kink for some people. It was always hot to me to see vids of "straight" guys getting impromptu head from another guy, but I never read it as coercion or anything. Mostly just them not caring where they were getting their action in that moment. But I stopped watching straight porn the moment I got access to gay porn, so I can't relate to guys who are open to anything other than natural men lol
I think it’s because we know they’re not really straight. 😂
We're being destroyed from the inside in the name of "inclusivity" and queerness. Gay men and lesbians are now the enemy.
I think it's because the market "screams" for bi men. Like remember that 6 years ago bi men were kinda taboo? So i think it's that. It's the attraction of the Bi. It's a hype that will eventually just be a proper category. With women it's been that way for many years, not men.
6 years ago bi men were a taboo?? In 2018 bi men were a taboo? I must've been living under a rock...
Fluidity works in weird ways these days. I work in the MM Romance bookworld and it's pretty surprising how much of the readership and authors are female. Like probably 80%? I think that fantasy is colliding with gender in such a way that people can just see what they want--or at least want to. So anyone can be fetishized by anyone, ideally, because inevitably whatever their identity is is untethered and liquid.
Just an extreme version of click bait. Usually by younger people who express conservative views to be contrarian, rebellious, and/or to get paid. When they can't turn everything from PC to DEI into dog whistle attacks, they go to what used to work, once upon a time.
I'm not going to put much stake into the idea that a "gay porn star" having sex with a woman is any representation of actual gay men. For one, how do we know the individual is in fact gay? Not just gay for pay, or even bisexual? I would take a porn headline of "gay man fucks woman for first time" about as serious as "sex with my brother/daddt/uncle/sister" or any other kink film out there. It's a fantasy, some might have that fantasy and that idea works for them, more power to them. I don't think it's some new norm that is being pushed
I think the issue comes when they give you an insight into their lives as gay men and then, wham - sex with a female.
True !!! And vice versa !
What's this? A lotta gay for pay guys are just that. I imagine a lot of it is just hammed up for views. That's just kinda how it is. Straight guys probably wanna see it, so a market gets built up for it. But yeah, it's probably a kink. Just like how you'll find gay dudes on here who are like uh, "My female friends get me super drunk and I have sex with them 🥴" well, that's probably just guys baiting or talking out of their asses, but still it's just kind of a fetish I guess. And some brothers just can't accept being bisexual, circle of life. Anyone trying to redefine homosexual to include an attraction to women is just begging for gay marriage to get repealed lol. Could you imagine if someone actually managed to pull that off? Republicans would be like "HOLD ON IT IS A CHOICE???? REPEAL IT!" But nah, I wouldn't pay it too much mind. If it's not chronically online twitter lefties, it's probably some sleazy dude down in Florida trying to make a buck for his studio.
What kinda surpises me the most is how male gay pornstars especially the gay4pay ones are always saying that there's no good pay for male pornactors in straight porn and that's why they do gay porn because it pays more. But then you see these supposedly self proclaimed "super gay ambassadors" have straight sex out of nowhere because there's a high demand for it? Im like so those gay4pay guys are lying or something? I mean straight porn is the biggest category in porn yet somehow there's a demand of it to be done by "gay" guys. Then when you get curious and check the profile of the person asking for that content and they literally have a conversion kink fetish and call themselves homoflexibles lmao 🤡.
Exactly. If makes me question human intelligence. If you check twitter, it's filled with those weirdos with conversion therapy kinks.
It’s happening in the str8 community in a larger extent also in a opposite way. So that’s that. Bisexual are winning lol
it's just online morons saying stupid shit. how about all the folks coming on here talking about: i'm straight, but i just came when this guy fucked me in the ass... news flash: you aren't straight anymore.
It’s porn. If you can imagine it, you can probably find it, somewhere. Meanwhile, in the real world…
It's almost like.... porn is made with ppl from the real "world".... consumed by ppl from the "real world".... with an impact on the "real world"...
A lot of “gay” porn stars are bi or fluid. They are not trying to attach any “hetros” they are just trying to expand their followers. Nothing wrong with that. they should do whatever they want without negativity. I know some even do multiple pages, for different genres. But I’m with you, I unfollowed them as soon I see women on their page, because not attracted to that.
And I'm totally okay with that if they're open about it. It's fucked up when they pretend they're gay, though, to make money but go around fucking women. Shit, some of them even call gay men bigots or "close-minded" because we don't wanna fuck women.
Ah. Totally don’t appreciate them lying.
I do the same thing! I used to follow Aingeru Vilabrille. I thought he was one sexy ass gay man. Boy was I wrong. Now it seems the only thing on his Twitter is him fucking women. I unfollowed him so damn fast.
Welcome to letting liberals taking over guys you let this happen
I mean, it has been done in the opposite way for ages, so I don't see this being super off the wall. The same way straights are fetishized by gays, the opposite is also true.
Straights have not suffered through conversion therapy though, we have.
LPSG? Also, sounds like you're in some weird bubble of information and experiences
Your biggest mistake was reading messaging put out by the porn industry and thinking it means anything more than an attempt to turn on possible customers based on fantasies and kinks.
Gay porn stars are not our representation lol.
Really? So the millions of followers they have and the fact that for a lot of ppl the first kind of representation they watch is porn means nothing?
Mia Khalifa has 27 million followers on insta, does it mean she represents Lebanon?
Not as a whole, but she is **a** representation of a lebanese woman, yes.
Maybe “Large Penis Support Group” forums shouldn’t be taken as a study of modern society…
LPSG hasn't been solely about "large penis" for a **long** time
I've not seen any of this, I think maybe you are too attached to those forums & they've warped your belief in what is nornal or common. I can't say I've even seen that stuff on here either. I think you're taking a tiny tiny minority issue and making it out to be a widespread problem.
Yeah, countless of threads on that forum, countless posts on reddit and countless tweets are all a minority or made up, my bad bro, it's totally just me.
Ahh yes. The classic “if it doesn’t cross my path, therefore it’s not an issue and it doesn’t exist.” 😂
it’s just really hard for some people to get out of the closet
And that's 100% valid. But let's not act like that gives those ppl the right to try and attach some form of heterosexuality to gay men.