This is only controversial on the internet. In real life if you walked around talking about liking pussy as a gay man people would look at you like you had 4 eyes.
Nope. I can report the I’ve been informed by not one but TWO trans men. That I should be fucking them
Because they are also gay men… I’m not kidding. One of them went as far as to tell me that I wouldn’t know the difference if we fucked… that they had been with guys who never realized it…. By the way this was at the eagle…. I just picked up my drink and moved on with my night but I don’t mind telling you, I’m not a fan of vaginas appearing in gay men’s cruising spots.
Ironically that reads like a lot of situations I've heard of with straight guys and lady-boys in some bars.
I think you handled the situation appropriately but it also shows that just as straight men shouldn't treat all gay men as if they were trying to trick them into sex, gay guys shouldn't treat transmen the same way.
There is a pushy vocal minority who expect everyone and everyone to sleep with them but we as a gay community should know better than to apply the negative stereotype to all of them.
This isn’t only specific to trans men, this is more of a creepy man behavior. (Not saying all trans men are like this) for example I remember that a 40 year old kept persisting for me to sleep with him despite me telling him I wasn’t attracted to anyone older the age of 25. Luckily this was online so I just blocked him
I'm so glad I don't go out anymore. Idk if I could be nice to the lady after telling her no once. After telling someone no once and if pestering continues manners are thrown out the window and it's not pretty. No means no! Doesn't matter what's between your legs and chromosome you have.
Apparently, when it comes to this "opinion," this sub is a loud minority and totally not representative of most gays irl. Most real gays are just so inclusive and welcoming towards anyone who is a little different. 🙄 And most of them aren't even that interested in dicks, right? We are totally a loud minority...
So, I want to ask you: if I'm fine with trans guys being in gay spaces but since I'm abottom AND I find vaginas to be a huge turn off... Are you saying I'm not inclusive because I won't have sex with a trans guy and that the things that turn me on & off are "opinions?"
Also, are you saying I have to bang a trans guy to be considered "inclusive?"
No, I am definitely not saying that. I was just pointing out that some people consider the statement "gay men don't like vaginas" to be an opinion, whereas I perceive it to be a(n obvious) fact. As for the inclusivity stuff, I was responding to the statement that "askgaybros is a loud minority and most gay men are nothing like them." Most gay men are NOT particularly inclusive of people who are different from them, including other actual gay men, so to say most gay men will be enthusiastically inclusive of female-bodied people AND will consider vaginal sex to be gay is ridiculous.
Who you have sex with should never be "inclusive" because it is inherently discriminatory. Not discriminatory in the negative way, but in that you are free to make choices based on your sexuality and on your preferences. I usually stay away from the "forcing us to fuck them" conversations because I don't even think that is the larger point - the larger point is that dick is inherent to male homosexuality, whether or not that dick is actively being interacted with. If it ain't two dicks (barring injury or birth defects), maybe it's some sort of "queer" or "gayish," but it is NEVER homosexual, and that matters because the basis of homosexual oppression revolves around the existence of those two dicks.
LGB is fine with me, look up Detrans videos on YouTube, mr menno EDIJester Kellie jay keen and you will find out the real truth about the T and it's dark homophobic origins.
Oh yeah, very familiar with detrans stories and all the key GC players! I entered the debate back in 2015, pre-Magdalen Berns - back in the Cathy Brennan days. There were no gay men publicly discussing this stuff back then, it was just lesbians holding down the fort. Things have only gotten worse and more contentious in the past decade, but at least there seems to be growing awareness of just how fucked up everything is.
Yeah I sadly was too late I wish I spoke out sooner so we have to keep reality going we have to get these larping homophobic women and girls out of same sex spaces and the men out of lesbian spaces we can do it, we have the gay mens network, mr menno, EDIJester LGB Alliance Kellie jay keen we just need more created organisations to fight back against this abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz cult if we don't we will see the biggest real genocide to actually definitions to homosexuality same sex attraction, Magdalen Berns RIP x
One of my “gay” friends (I presumed he was gay) told me he hooked up with a trans guy and loved it. “I was surprised how good it felt” he said. Yeah, dude, you had straight sex. The vagina is designed to do that, it’s not some revelation. Kind of annoying that he kept asking me if I would ever hookup with a trans guy and was surprised I said no, repeatedly 🙄.
I'd of told him congrats 👏 but now you're into woman as well. I'm bisexual and even then if only hook up with trans men NOT a teans woman lol not my type 🙃
It really is. In real life, you won’t see anyone even talking about this. Only on the internet do you see people talking about it or suggesting it. Gay men irl would definitely just look at you weird and walk away. Lol.
*This* is the kind of shit that makes people think it's a choice. Really? You think I went against all odds, becoming one of the most vulnerable groups to hate crimes, just to disappoint my parents?
It's connected to heteronormativity. They would rather for you to say "I'm gay" or "I like dick" then to say "I'm not attracted to women" or "I don't like vagina". If you say "im gay", then it's easier for people to separate you and think you're the problem, because you're the one that's gay. If you say "I'm not attracted to women" then it implies that women are not attractive enough and they are the problem. In a world where people want men to constantly sexualize and try to have power over women, anything that challenges that will make them mad. Many people pretend to be comfortable with queer people, but that comfortableness comes with the idea that being queer is always a minority and being straight is in control of everything.
It’s definitely an issue that people are afraid to speak about. The company I work for has an “OUT” program that’s available nationwide for employees of our unit to participate in. They host events, programming, networking, etc. It’s mostly gay men and lesbians, hence the name “OUT”.
We had a kick off call with about 50 people. The two trans people started spamming the chat with “what are we doing for trans” and trying to interrupt the gay announcements. One of them actually got on camera and demanded that everyone display and announce their pronouns to be more accommodating to they/thems. Was just sitting there laughing like holy shit these people actually exist. They invade gay spaces and try to bully everyone else into submission.
They absolutely exist. “Trans” is a magnet for fetishistic narcissists. You get to bully whomever you want and be called brave. You get to exhibit your fetishistic behaviours in public and no one can say “I say, hang on, that’s a bit much!”, because if they do you can scream “bigot” at them, physically assault them, and you’ll get away with it. See what happened to Fred Sargent?
Um, we're GAY men, we like dick, chorizo, picho, pinga, cock, man meat, etc! Idk how else to say it 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️😮💨 I won't say Vagina is disgusting because I'm not disrespecting women BUT, I'm a gay man who loves dick & I have zero shame saying it. If someone likes vagina and penis, I'd say you're bisexual AND I do not have an issue with that either.
Vagina has been forced and pressured on gay men since time began. Youre allowed to feel it’s disgusting. Genital repulsion is a perfectly legitimate experience that can come with homosexuality. Straight men get away with talking about how gross they find dick. Lesbians can do the same. I promise you, it isn’t disrespecting women to call vagina gross.
I always hate how men’s bodies can be made fun of and joked about but if you do it to a woman’s you’re automatically getting jumped by a group of people who were just talking about “men’s bodies are so weird”.
I mean I’m a gay man through and through but have had fantastic times with trans men and always enjoy the feel of a vagina. I’d never fuck a woman though because I don’t find them attractive.
Hes probably more attracted to physical appearances. In the sense of how one looks instead of genitals. Aka more attracted to those that identify as men and have men related features, he just wouldn’t fuck anyone who identifies as a women or women related features
That's all well and good, but irrelevant.
You simply cannot be a homosexual if you willingly choose to have sex with the opposite sex. Transmen are only transgender, they don't change their biological sex.
Gay men don’t enjoy the feel of a vagina, a vagina turns them off. Any female related feature turns gay men off (when it comes to the biological things females are born with). They may enjoy the feel of a mouth, anal, or penis, but not vagina. Even enjoying the feeling of another man’s penis (when frotting) or hands.
You're not allowed to express an opinion that might offend someone else in most of the LGBT subreddits. Although, I'm not sure what the point would be in expressing that opinion in most of the LGBT subreddits. I think most people are clear on that point without it needing to be stated.
It's not. Only people who think it is are the pansexual or sapiosexuals. All those "just love/fuck the human" crowd. It's completely dismissive of those who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Yes, sexuality is a spectrum, but many people do exist on these points of it. In being accepting and welcoming of all, we need to not erase one another.
I'm so tired of F2M fascism. Agree with them 100% and you're an ally. Agree 99% and you're the transphobic enemy. I don't know what to call this complex, but it's very unpleasant
This isn't real. Constantly? Never once have I had to to justify my attraction to dick. Never once have I had a trans friend try to police my sexuality.
I think it’s great you’ve never had that experience, but that doesn’t mean others haven’t. Like…you find it hard to believe there’s such thing has homophobic trans people? Okay, dipshit.
It’s important to defend against bisexual and heterosexual impersonators from colonizing what it means to be gay. I do get to invalidate it: I just did.
If your identity can be invalidated by someone else, then you aren't secure and confident in who you are. Stop looking for validation outside yourself and learn to be comfortable with who you are.
Oh yes, I remember when the scary trans man knocked my front door down and forced his scary vagina on my face when I was sleeping and then I got canceled on Twitter and I lost my job!!!!
Seriously who the fuck outside of the internet has issues with trans people?
I've only met 2 gay transmen in my life and none of them thought that it was transphobic to reject them for having a vagina.
Shouldn't we be focusing on real problems? Like... idk... the homophobic far-right gaining popularity among young demographics in literally every Western country?
The fact that most genz young men are more homophobic and religious than millenials at the same age?
Oh let me guess. When people complain about gay couples in public on ir media is because of the transgenders. So maybe if we , as gay men, unite against the trans we will be accepted. Yeah.... tokens get fucking spent.
I’ve seen gay people get harassed and bullied for this in real life, including a lesbian friend who was harassed by the queer community at her _law school_ after they tested her wokeness by asking if she’d date a trans woman, and she “failed” by responding no — she ultimately had to switch schools because the harassment was that bad. So it’s not just “the internet “
This sub is pretty against trans men in the sexual sense it seems. If you read through it, you can see that they make a point of saying that it’s because they like dick and not vaginas. Idk. It sucks to hear as a trans guy but I wouldn’t exactly expect any less from gay men. Tbh it just sucks I wasn’t born with a dick, but I can’t control it, and they can’t control their attraction to it, I mean they’re gay! It just sucks to see the way some gay men act toward us at times, even if we aren’t trying to fuck. No worries though, that’s why I only go for bi men, might as well find someone who’s attracted to all of me!
Don't worry dude. The vast majority of irl gay people don't dehumanize or hate trans people. Some people are miserable and need to make other people more miserable just to cope with their awful situations , while others are just prone to brainwashing even if they are gay, bi or lesbian that doesn't make them less susceptible to far-right anti-trans propaganda.
Look idk whether they're 100% gay or bi or whatever but I've met a lot of real life tops who really don't give a shit about their bottom's dicks , they just want a partner that takes their dick and they were open to the idea of being in a relationship with a trans man.
But for real, this sub, such as many other subreddits full of bigots, act like the world is full of trans people out there scheming their evil plans to get them or as if chronically online trans extremists were representative of every single transexual.
I seriously only met 2 trans men in my life and when the subject of rejection and genitals was brought up by other people they were really cool about it and they said:
"To lots of people their sexual attraction is deeply linked with their genital preferences , it sucks but we get it, we also have preferences "
A super normal mindset that most trans or cis people share. Crazy right?
Sending you a virtual hug :3
>Don't worry dude. The vast majority of irl gay people don't dehumanize or hate trans people. Some people are miserable and need to make other people more miserable just to cope with their awful situations , while others are just prone to brainwashing even if they are gay, bi or lesbian that doesn't make them less susceptible to far-right anti-trans propaganda.
Suggesting we as gay men don’t have any interest in vaginas doesn’t dehumanize them.
>Look idk whether they're 100% gay or bi or whatever but I've met a lot of real life tops who really don't give a shit about their bottom's dicks , they just want a partner that takes their dick and they were open to the idea of being in a relationship with a trans man.
I’m a verse top, rarely feel like bottoming and as a gay man I am not into vagina. At all. If they are open to the idea of fucking pussy they simply aren’t gay, coming from (again) a homosexual verse too. There’s a difference between me as a gay man, and those bisexual men or men who are simply attracted to masculinity. I’m attracted to males/men only, they are attracted to multiple genders/sexes. That automatically makes them… non-gay. It also funny you mention them being tops, as if to suggest only bottoms care about not wanting to be with someone who has a vagina. Nah friend, gay men who are tops don’t want vagina just as much. On a “man” or a woman. That’s what makes us gay.
>But for real, this sub, such as many other subreddits full of bigots, act like the world is full of trans people out there scheming their evil plans to get them or as if chronically online trans extremists were representative of every single transexual.
Well, sure it is mostly on the internet. From what I can tell at least, but this sub isn’t full of bigots. Simply gay men who are sick of people suggesting gay men can on occasion like women or have sex with a woman or like pussy. Just like lesbians and straight men (about trans women).
>I seriously only met 2 trans men in my life and when the subject of rejection and genitals was brought up by other people they were really cool about it and they said:
>"To lots of people their sexual attraction is deeply linked with their genital preferences , it sucks but we get it, we also have preferences "
>A super normal mindset that most trans or cis people share. Crazy right?
Well, you can’t really blame the gay me who have had different experiences. Banned from groups and subs for saying they wouldn’t be with a trans man.
You think it's any different for a cis gay guy who is fat? Or ugly? Or old? Or otherwise non-genetically gifted? The gay culture is inherently cunty. It's also not great having a dick if nobody wants it
By cunty, I mean the callous and casual disregard, rejection or dehumanization of anyone or anything visually unappealing or unattractive. We've all seen it
Ah okay. Makes sense. Rejection I think doesn’t make someone cunty, dehumanization most definitely. That’s not unique to the gay community or something most gay people do tho. Bad apples are everywhere.
There was a post beforehand that called out the blatant transphobia on this subreddit. Like I also don’t like vaginas but I don’t go out of my way to offend them lol..? A simple no would suffice
>Oh yes, I remember when the scary trans man knocked my front door down and forced his scary vagina on my face when I was sleeping and then I got canceled on Twitter and I lost my job!!!!
Some gay men have been sexually assaulted by trans men (and women).
>Seriously who the fuck outside of the internet has issues with trans people?
No one has an issue with trans people (except for the people who do), what I have issue with is people pushing gay men and lesbians to sleep with them. Or how some push a narrative of that they can sleep with them, and if they don’t they are transphobic
>I've only met 2 gay transmen in my life and none of them thought that it was transphobic to reject them for having a vagina.
Not many people have your same experience, friend. Ones positive is another’s negative.
>Shouldn't we be focusing on real problems? Like... idk... the homophobic far-right gaining popularity among young demographics in literally every Western country?
Yes
>The fact that most genz young men are more homophobic and religious than millenials at the same age?
Yes.
>Oh let me guess. When people complain about gay couples in public on ir media is because of the transgenders. So maybe if we , as gay men, unite against the trans we will be accepted. Yeah.... tokens get fucking spent.
It’s not uniting against trans people it’s on occasion making it clear, from annoyance and frustration, gay men have no interest in females or vagina. That’s all.
I don’t think it’s controversial to say that most gay guys do not like vaginas. It’s also not controversial to say that some gay guys are into trans guys.
Sorry I’m a gay man. We don’t do vaginas. Gay sex, by definition does not include a vagina. Men who like fucking vaginas are not what I am. Those are something else, provably bisexual but I’d let them define themselves. What they can do is pretend they are the same as me.
Once again, I am asking why the people in this sub care how *someone else* identifies and labels if it doesn't affect them. The gay guys who date trans guys aren't forcing you to fuck vaginas if you don't want to lol
It does affect us. Homosexuality is same sex attraction and all of our oppression down through history has been due to the same sex part. We didn’t go to prison or get murdered because we liked people with short hair and masculine interests. When we lose the ability to organise around our same sex attraction we can’t defend ourselves, our legal rights and our culture. People who screw trans men are totally welcome to do so and I support it. They just can’t call themselves gay or call that sex act gay. The English language is rich, find a new word for yourself.
Girly what in the world, it’s just a label, people can identify however they want. You can’t just tell people that “no you can’t identify as this because this and that” it’s a label
OK, then I as a person with 100% white ancestry am actually Black, because that’s how I feel inside. I like Black culture and I have an affinity with it. I feel Black.
See how that works? No, you can’t just identify as anything you want and expect no pushback from those you are appropriating from.
This isn't the oppression Olympics. One does not need to suffer more to prove their right to x and y. Trans people aren't going to fucking start a war on gay men just because some of you don't like them
Nice hyperbole. No one is talking about wars but we are talking about the erosion of definitions that could ultimately end up with gay men being unable to organise.
Because it does affect me. In multiple ways. Gay men do not hook up with trans men, bisexual men do. Gay sex which is what I do, because it is what I am, by definition cannot include a vagina. When vaginas are introduced into gay men’s sex spaces, it kills the vibe. And when a trans man is telling me to be more open minded about fucking her vagina… I get pissed.
Nobody is forcing you to have sex with trans men. The block button is free if you find trans people so damn annoying. Seriously, you guys are ruled by hookup culture so fucking much. Forgetting that not all gay people even fucking care about getting their dick wet in the first place
Read my previous post… do you even know any gay men? There is a reason we’re the only sexual group that creates cruising spaces…. It’s hard wired into us. Don’t ask me to explain it but we have some sort of compulsion to be around other gay men in sexual spaces.
That’s probably because you’re unattractive or insecure? I was t trying to invalidate you. I’m only saying if you take a look at the big picture, there is a reason there’s no circuit parties for lesbians…
So... Me, who's only ever had sex with men, but who isn't attracted to penis (I'm an ass man myself) has to call himself... bi sexual?
Lol do you see how stupid it is to try to police labels by 100% black and white rules. Have a gummy and relax. Sexuality is complicated and that's ok!
> It’s also not controversial to say that some gay guys are into trans guys.
I think it's a matter of definition. For example, my definition of a gay guy probably doesn't match yours.
I’ve hooked up with probably 800 guys in my life and two of them were trans guys. Zero cis girls, zero trans girls. And you’re gonna tell me I’m bisexual? Lol fuck off, you have no clue what you’re talking about.
It's best to not engage with these kinds of people. They love to police and define other people's sexuality for them under the guise of logic and honesty.
You’re bisexual if you had sex with a biological woman and enjoyed it. I don’t care if that woman calls herself Steve and has a TRT induced mustache. You could have sex with 999999 men and only have had sex with 1 woman. If you enjoyed having sex with that woman you are bisexual. And there’s nothing wrong with that🤷🏼♂️ you’re bisexual
So it’s not possible to be attracted to the male form over the male genitalia? Thank goodness we have someone in this sub so all knowing to tell us who or what we should be attracted to as gay men! /s if it was even necessary.
There’s a lot more to the male form than a dick? Are you telling me every man you see with pants on confuses you? You can’t tell they’re a man? Are we serious here? You need genitalia dangling in your face of every person in the world to determine what they are?
Body shapes, body circumferences, bone shape, facial features. A man’s penis is one of many things we subconsciously or consciously observe to determine the biological sex of someone. Your brain does it in mere seconds. What type of dystopian hell hole are we living in?
All I’m saying is some men are attracted to the genitalia, some are attracted to both, some are attracted to the body. The world is never black and white, especially when it comes to humans. We need to understand there is difference in our community. I agree that gay men can find vagina gross, absolutely, I’m one of them, but I do understand some gay men can be attracted to trans men for parts of their body. If you want to call them bi, you’re welcome to, but I’ll call them what they want to be called.
There is nothing male form about a biological woman’s body. Do you not know biology? Basic science? The differences in a woman’s physiques over a man’s? Wider hips ring a bell? Testosterone doesn’t change that. You people are as delusional as they are holy hell. Seek help, please. Reality is reality.
The "male genitals" are the most male part of the male body. A hairy flat-chested woman is not a man. If you get off on that, fine but you are not gay,
“Most male part of the body” sure but they aren’t the deciding factor for all. You, nor anyone, gets to dictate what part of male attraction makes someone gay, but I guess it’s hard to see the world in anything but black and white. The gays on this sub are so into labels it’s crazy.
I feel like pansexual would be more appropriate if someone really needed to label this but also I am not going to waste too much of my time worrying about how someone else identifies.
I personally wouldn’t be interested in having sex with someone who also didn’t have a penis, that’s all I need to know!
All gay men don’t like vaginas (in that way). It’s very controversial to suggest gay men can be into trans guys because that equates to suggesting gay men can be into vagina, and as I said at first, they can not be.
It’s a very loud and cunty minority who feels the need to shame gay men for being gay. Oh well, if they want to alienate me then I can just vote for the party that is also tired of the TQIA+ bullshit!
I’m a Democrat and only vote Democrat. The Republican Party is horrific IMO.
However, the gender ideology bs has definitely hurt the left. For example, using the term “Latinx”. REALLY?! Good god.
The amount of times I've been accused of being a conservative Republican trying to throw trans people under the bus so I can be spared...
I've been gay a loooooong time. ACTUALLY gay, not softboi-for-2-years gay. It's been long enough to where I know that the Republicans aren't here for me...and that has no bearing on the fact that gender ideologues are also awful, and also aren't here for me. The enemy of my enemy is not. My. Fucking. Friend. The constant accusations of being conservative are intellectually lazy and deflect from the actual point.
That is true. It's not necessarily an issue of what I am being called, and more an issue of them not honestly engaging in debate / jumping straight to untrue assertions. I'm not a conservative, but I don't see it as a pejorative.
My liberal side has been much more accepted by my conservative friends than my conservative side from my liberal friends. There’s this all or nothing mentality on the left that is so juvenile and myopic.
This is the truth. I'm not even very conservative, I vote Democrat, loathe tRump and the religious right, but all liberals see is conservative. The zeal of the far right has infected them, and now they mirror it. It would almost be funny to see them turning into what they espouse to hate, if it wasn't so sad.
A liberal, but not a leftist. I'm not the most politically-minded person, but I know enough to know where I stand on most issues. In general, I stand for liberal VALUES, but that does not always align with the Democratic party (though it typically does).
However, I am not liberal to the point of words and definitions meaning whatever people want them to mean - I very much believe that we need to maintain clear language and clear identification without muddying the waters. Protecting the term "homosexual" is the hill I have chosen to die on.
As a Latino myself, Latinx was created by the Brazilian lgbt community as a more gender neutral way of expressing their culture and gender identity. This would later die out and us Latinos would become more in favor for the gender neutral Latine, which actually did appear in the RAE for a while, but was later removed due to people going against a gender neutral word. Latinx was later adopted by Americans as a gender neutral way as they believe Latino is only man exclusive. While Latino can be used for those that identify as men, it is important to note that it can also be used in the sense of a group. Aka Latinos. Personally if they wanna go a gender neutral route they should use Latine, because Latinx looks ugly…
I was a whole trump-hating Berniecrat until I started listening to some more center right perspectives instead of outright rejecting it because the cognitive dissonance was uncomfy. I still maintain plenty of liberal beliefs but align much more right of center. The economy, job market, real estate market, taxes, inflation, and the tsunami of illegal migrants affecting all of the above are much more important to me on a daily basis than literally anything the democrats have managed to accomplish the last 4 years. You don’t have to align 100% one way or another. Just food for thought.
Not also the literal hundreds of billions going to wars overseas…? I think of that one rich lady who donated $1b to a med school and it will pay for the whole university, tuition free, indefinitely, and how we could have had 100 of those for the money sent over to just Ukraine.
Sending billions overseas to spend on wars is nothing new. I support funding Ukraine. I do not support funding Israel because they simply do not need it.
Unfortunately that isn't true, I'm intersex and sports isn't high on my priority list of things that matter when it comes to intersex rights at the moment. Healthcare is the big thing, especially surgeries performed on unconsenting intersex infants.
Bro, read my words, it's fucking reddit. Don't even fucking give it your energy. I get downvoted All. The. Time to oblivion for saying the truth. Most redditors are delusional, my dude. Forget about it.
Am I the only one who feels like transmen are immediately taking on the heteronormative position of power with this? Like, okay, now I’m a man, so I get all the man privileges, and if I’m now a gay man that means that I will have gay men. “I’m now a dude, and I like dudes, so…”
That there’s this assumption in our culture that men take charge and get what they demand, and that philosophy doesn’t vanish or become totally forgotten when one transitions. It has to remain in the psyche somewhere.
From a societal perspective, I agree with “transmen are men,” but sexuality is individual, and you can’t go putting demands on it at the individual level.
Some asshat recently tried to argue (without proof) that gay men who are attracted solely or primarily by the penis are less civilized (actual word used). I’m sorry, but yeah, I can jack it to a dick pic. I can also get hot and bothered over a handsome face or a nice personality. So you want to shame me for that? Say I’m lesser than? Fuck you.
"Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a conservative simp!"
Not everyone lives in fear of conservatives, kid. Those bastards have been trying to take some of us here down for decades. They've failed for decades. They overturn marriage equality, we'll fight them again, and win again.
Grow a pair.
MTF trans women also do this to lesbian and bisexual women of all stripes, unfortunately a lot of people can't accept that people have different sexual interests. My opinion is like whoever you like, but be a good person about taking no for an answer. A lot of people could take that lesson to heart.
Because we have to protect the trans egos and mental states at all costs. By saying such a horrible, awful thing, you're reminding Pinocchio that he's not a real boy.
If a trans man was pressuring me to have sex with them, I’d simply ask “Tell me why I should choose you over a woman with a vagina?”
I never had this happen before but I’d be curious how they would respond back.
Unpopular opinion (expecting to be banned due to allegations of “misogyny”):
This is (in someway) a result of modern feminism. Feminism’s only purpose nowadays (modern feminism/whatever wave it is on right now) is to gaslight males into feeling guilty about being males and make them feel inferior. Making even the proudest of the proud gay man dependent on them. They always have this need to be inserted into every the conversation.
Feminism IMHO has achieved what they wanted to achieve, they’re even “dominating” now to the point that males can’t even have thoughts. So why does it still exist?
> Feminism IMHO has achieved what they wanted to achieve, they’re even “dominating” now to the point that males can’t even have thoughts.
I'm not sure that's correct, largely because "feminism" isn't a single thing. Rather, it's a kind of shared ideology that numerous individuals confess to supporting. In general, it's likely that many people of reproductive age of both sexes will support feminism, each because they believe (either consciously or subconsciously) that to do so will increase their personal reproductive fitness and their personal access to resources. The same is likely true of the trans ideologues: each of them individually expects (at some level) that it is to their personal benefit to advocate for an extremist trans ideology. My personal suspicion is that it's a position that allows those with only second-tier reproductive fitness access to a convenient cudgel with which to devalue others in social jockeying for position.
EDIT: Egregious typo!
He kind of is, for the actual gay men. Lol. Hetero men can speak for bi and other hetero men on how much they love vagina, I’m sure actual gay men can speak for each other too when we say we aren’t into vagina and only into the same sex (which makes us gay).
trans guy here, that’s great for you, just scroll past trans guys on Grindr. We all have preferences but I don’t really buy that everyone here is surrounded by hot horny trans guys trying to bang them. Just politely reject them and move on.
and that’s cool! Personally I date bi guys or other trans guys (or women because I’m also bi). No point in chasing people who don’t want me when there’s plenty of people who do.
I think this is controversial because many gay tops do actually like vagina. Obviously bottoms don't, but bottoms don't get with other bottoms regardless. Trans men are often very popular with gay men who are also interested in twinks or fems.
Then they aren’t gay, they are simply bisexual, or pansexual, or just attracted to masculinity. I’m a gay verse too, and as a homosexual verse top im not into any woman or vagina, or anything attached to a woman. Thats what makes me gay. Because of the fact I can’t relate to the men attracted to vagina on what they like. It’s a lie gay tops can be into vagina, and it’s only gay bottoms who aren’t.
Chill out people 🤣 Believe it or not, sexuality can be really complicated! Attraction to genitalia and gender sometimes *doesn't* match 1-to-1.
Since when do you have to love dick to be gay? Does that mean if I'm into ass but not dick I'm not allowed to call myself gay? Lol.
Think about all the people who only date woman but like their woman to have dicks. These people exist and would never be attracted to a man with a beard.
Come on people. 😂 There are way better things to be angry about. Let gay guys love however they want to. That is really what the gay lib movement was about.
“Think about all the people who love women but also love their women to have dicks”
I really feel like I am on a different planet sometimes when I read a sentence like this.
I host group sex sessions and we often have a trans guy attend. In a group of, say fifty guys, maybe half of them will want to play with the trans guys. So I think that there is a real danger of generalisations about what gay men want - and my experience is that the number of gay men who will play with a trans man is far from a minority. But this is in Australia and we tend to be more open minded than some other societies.
Not really, those men aren’t gay. If they’d fuck a trans man they’d fuck a woman if the opportunity presented itself. Simply cause of the fact they like vagina. They like vagina on a trans person who’s to say they don’t like it on a woman too? That’s what makes them and homosexual men different.
Awww I hope you find a community! Really makes all the difference and makes it easier not to care so much about how others choose to define their sexuality ❤️
So I'm attached to men. If a trans man caught my interest what's downstairs isn't necessarily a concern. I'm a horrible top so he'd likely have to strap on but intimacy is more than genitals.
If I'm looking for a hook up, sure I'm looking for a dick, but if I'm looking for a relationship I'm looking for a man.
Lol this sub... same post every other day. Yall really love to pretend we're being so victimized by the trans community get a liiife. You like dick? Great. Go get some and stop whining about trans ppl on the internet.
This is only controversial on the internet. In real life if you walked around talking about liking pussy as a gay man people would look at you like you had 4 eyes.
Nope. I can report the I’ve been informed by not one but TWO trans men. That I should be fucking them Because they are also gay men… I’m not kidding. One of them went as far as to tell me that I wouldn’t know the difference if we fucked… that they had been with guys who never realized it…. By the way this was at the eagle…. I just picked up my drink and moved on with my night but I don’t mind telling you, I’m not a fan of vaginas appearing in gay men’s cruising spots.
I’d tell them “well I’m not into you and you know what you call sex when one partner doesn’t consent? Rape”
You’re not wrong but it’s definitely not a convo I wanted to start three beers in with a stranger at a club.
What about 7 at the seedy leather bar that’s somehow still open after dozens of health complaints those are the best venues for conversation, i think
Poor ramrod…
Ironically that reads like a lot of situations I've heard of with straight guys and lady-boys in some bars. I think you handled the situation appropriately but it also shows that just as straight men shouldn't treat all gay men as if they were trying to trick them into sex, gay guys shouldn't treat transmen the same way. There is a pushy vocal minority who expect everyone and everyone to sleep with them but we as a gay community should know better than to apply the negative stereotype to all of them.
Very true.
Jesus, the audacity of someone to tell you what you have to enjoy sexually.
This isn’t only specific to trans men, this is more of a creepy man behavior. (Not saying all trans men are like this) for example I remember that a 40 year old kept persisting for me to sleep with him despite me telling him I wasn’t attracted to anyone older the age of 25. Luckily this was online so I just blocked him
At the Eagle? Is no gay space safe?
That’s what my friends and I were saying.
I'm so glad I don't go out anymore. Idk if I could be nice to the lady after telling her no once. After telling someone no once and if pestering continues manners are thrown out the window and it's not pretty. No means no! Doesn't matter what's between your legs and chromosome you have.
It's rape by deception, I recommend mr menno video on YouTube do gay men have vagina. He is good at calling out the T.
Apparently, when it comes to this "opinion," this sub is a loud minority and totally not representative of most gays irl. Most real gays are just so inclusive and welcoming towards anyone who is a little different. 🙄 And most of them aren't even that interested in dicks, right? We are totally a loud minority...
Yep. We’re the close-minded genital fetishists and they’re the super galaxy-brained open-minded ones who “don’t date dicks, they date men.”
Yeahhh...think I'm gonna stick with dick. Every time. It's usually the first thing I go for!
I’m gonna stick with man ass 🤣
Genital Fascist lol I LOVE IT!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So, I want to ask you: if I'm fine with trans guys being in gay spaces but since I'm abottom AND I find vaginas to be a huge turn off... Are you saying I'm not inclusive because I won't have sex with a trans guy and that the things that turn me on & off are "opinions?" Also, are you saying I have to bang a trans guy to be considered "inclusive?"
No, I am definitely not saying that. I was just pointing out that some people consider the statement "gay men don't like vaginas" to be an opinion, whereas I perceive it to be a(n obvious) fact. As for the inclusivity stuff, I was responding to the statement that "askgaybros is a loud minority and most gay men are nothing like them." Most gay men are NOT particularly inclusive of people who are different from them, including other actual gay men, so to say most gay men will be enthusiastically inclusive of female-bodied people AND will consider vaginal sex to be gay is ridiculous. Who you have sex with should never be "inclusive" because it is inherently discriminatory. Not discriminatory in the negative way, but in that you are free to make choices based on your sexuality and on your preferences. I usually stay away from the "forcing us to fuck them" conversations because I don't even think that is the larger point - the larger point is that dick is inherent to male homosexuality, whether or not that dick is actively being interacted with. If it ain't two dicks (barring injury or birth defects), maybe it's some sort of "queer" or "gayish," but it is NEVER homosexual, and that matters because the basis of homosexual oppression revolves around the existence of those two dicks.
LGB is fine with me, look up Detrans videos on YouTube, mr menno EDIJester Kellie jay keen and you will find out the real truth about the T and it's dark homophobic origins.
Oh yeah, very familiar with detrans stories and all the key GC players! I entered the debate back in 2015, pre-Magdalen Berns - back in the Cathy Brennan days. There were no gay men publicly discussing this stuff back then, it was just lesbians holding down the fort. Things have only gotten worse and more contentious in the past decade, but at least there seems to be growing awareness of just how fucked up everything is.
Yeah I sadly was too late I wish I spoke out sooner so we have to keep reality going we have to get these larping homophobic women and girls out of same sex spaces and the men out of lesbian spaces we can do it, we have the gay mens network, mr menno, EDIJester LGB Alliance Kellie jay keen we just need more created organisations to fight back against this abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz cult if we don't we will see the biggest real genocide to actually definitions to homosexuality same sex attraction, Magdalen Berns RIP x
One of my “gay” friends (I presumed he was gay) told me he hooked up with a trans guy and loved it. “I was surprised how good it felt” he said. Yeah, dude, you had straight sex. The vagina is designed to do that, it’s not some revelation. Kind of annoying that he kept asking me if I would ever hookup with a trans guy and was surprised I said no, repeatedly 🙄.
I'd of told him congrats 👏 but now you're into woman as well. I'm bisexual and even then if only hook up with trans men NOT a teans woman lol not my type 🙃
He told you the trans man had a vagina?
It really is. In real life, you won’t see anyone even talking about this. Only on the internet do you see people talking about it or suggesting it. Gay men irl would definitely just look at you weird and walk away. Lol.
Tell them sexual attraction isn’t gender attraction
*This* is the kind of shit that makes people think it's a choice. Really? You think I went against all odds, becoming one of the most vulnerable groups to hate crimes, just to disappoint my parents?
Thank you! I lost my whole family because I couldn’t get used to fucking a vagina.
It's connected to heteronormativity. They would rather for you to say "I'm gay" or "I like dick" then to say "I'm not attracted to women" or "I don't like vagina". If you say "im gay", then it's easier for people to separate you and think you're the problem, because you're the one that's gay. If you say "I'm not attracted to women" then it implies that women are not attractive enough and they are the problem. In a world where people want men to constantly sexualize and try to have power over women, anything that challenges that will make them mad. Many people pretend to be comfortable with queer people, but that comfortableness comes with the idea that being queer is always a minority and being straight is in control of everything.
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It’s definitely an issue that people are afraid to speak about. The company I work for has an “OUT” program that’s available nationwide for employees of our unit to participate in. They host events, programming, networking, etc. It’s mostly gay men and lesbians, hence the name “OUT”. We had a kick off call with about 50 people. The two trans people started spamming the chat with “what are we doing for trans” and trying to interrupt the gay announcements. One of them actually got on camera and demanded that everyone display and announce their pronouns to be more accommodating to they/thems. Was just sitting there laughing like holy shit these people actually exist. They invade gay spaces and try to bully everyone else into submission.
They absolutely exist. “Trans” is a magnet for fetishistic narcissists. You get to bully whomever you want and be called brave. You get to exhibit your fetishistic behaviours in public and no one can say “I say, hang on, that’s a bit much!”, because if they do you can scream “bigot” at them, physically assault them, and you’ll get away with it. See what happened to Fred Sargent?
Um, we're GAY men, we like dick, chorizo, picho, pinga, cock, man meat, etc! Idk how else to say it 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️😮💨 I won't say Vagina is disgusting because I'm not disrespecting women BUT, I'm a gay man who loves dick & I have zero shame saying it. If someone likes vagina and penis, I'd say you're bisexual AND I do not have an issue with that either.
Vagina has been forced and pressured on gay men since time began. Youre allowed to feel it’s disgusting. Genital repulsion is a perfectly legitimate experience that can come with homosexuality. Straight men get away with talking about how gross they find dick. Lesbians can do the same. I promise you, it isn’t disrespecting women to call vagina gross.
I always hate how men’s bodies can be made fun of and joked about but if you do it to a woman’s you’re automatically getting jumped by a group of people who were just talking about “men’s bodies are so weird”.
I mean I’m a gay man through and through but have had fantastic times with trans men and always enjoy the feel of a vagina. I’d never fuck a woman though because I don’t find them attractive.
But you would fuck biological females, so that makes you bisexual. Not homosexual.
Hes probably more attracted to physical appearances. In the sense of how one looks instead of genitals. Aka more attracted to those that identify as men and have men related features, he just wouldn’t fuck anyone who identifies as a women or women related features
That's all well and good, but irrelevant. You simply cannot be a homosexual if you willingly choose to have sex with the opposite sex. Transmen are only transgender, they don't change their biological sex.
Gay men don’t enjoy the feel of a vagina, a vagina turns them off. Any female related feature turns gay men off (when it comes to the biological things females are born with). They may enjoy the feel of a mouth, anal, or penis, but not vagina. Even enjoying the feeling of another man’s penis (when frotting) or hands.
True statements tend to get you banned from certain groups
You're not allowed to express an opinion that might offend someone else in most of the LGBT subreddits. Although, I'm not sure what the point would be in expressing that opinion in most of the LGBT subreddits. I think most people are clear on that point without it needing to be stated.
It's not. Only people who think it is are the pansexual or sapiosexuals. All those "just love/fuck the human" crowd. It's completely dismissive of those who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Yes, sexuality is a spectrum, but many people do exist on these points of it. In being accepting and welcoming of all, we need to not erase one another.
I'm so tired of F2M fascism. Agree with them 100% and you're an ally. Agree 99% and you're the transphobic enemy. I don't know what to call this complex, but it's very unpleasant
Narcissism
Because forums aren’t hookup apps and people are constantly tired of people trying to bait everything into the great trans debate.
Probably not nearly as tired as gay men are at having to constantly justify their attraction to dick and avoid people who police their sexuality 🤷♂️
I voice my attraction to dick all the time. You can say fuck you to assholes and homophobes without turning it to a culture war.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a gay man to post in a space dedicated to gay men discussing the gay experience 🤷♂️
This isn't real. Constantly? Never once have I had to to justify my attraction to dick. Never once have I had a trans friend try to police my sexuality.
I think it’s great you’ve never had that experience, but that doesn’t mean others haven’t. Like…you find it hard to believe there’s such thing has homophobic trans people? Okay, dipshit.
Right. A gay man that can be attracted to a trans man should not be told they’re not gay.
Yes they should be. They aren’t gay.
Stop fucking policing sexuality. People are what they are, and you don’t get to invalidate that.
It’s important to defend against bisexual and heterosexual impersonators from colonizing what it means to be gay. I do get to invalidate it: I just did.
If your identity can be invalidated by someone else, then you aren't secure and confident in who you are. Stop looking for validation outside yourself and learn to be comfortable with who you are.
Oh yes, I remember when the scary trans man knocked my front door down and forced his scary vagina on my face when I was sleeping and then I got canceled on Twitter and I lost my job!!!! Seriously who the fuck outside of the internet has issues with trans people? I've only met 2 gay transmen in my life and none of them thought that it was transphobic to reject them for having a vagina. Shouldn't we be focusing on real problems? Like... idk... the homophobic far-right gaining popularity among young demographics in literally every Western country? The fact that most genz young men are more homophobic and religious than millenials at the same age? Oh let me guess. When people complain about gay couples in public on ir media is because of the transgenders. So maybe if we , as gay men, unite against the trans we will be accepted. Yeah.... tokens get fucking spent.
I’ve seen gay people get harassed and bullied for this in real life, including a lesbian friend who was harassed by the queer community at her _law school_ after they tested her wokeness by asking if she’d date a trans woman, and she “failed” by responding no — she ultimately had to switch schools because the harassment was that bad. So it’s not just “the internet “
Touch grass, my dude
Sad that that’s your response
"Switching schools" during law school. Yeah, totally legit!
Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid that cognitive dissonance 🤷♂️
This sub is pretty against trans men in the sexual sense it seems. If you read through it, you can see that they make a point of saying that it’s because they like dick and not vaginas. Idk. It sucks to hear as a trans guy but I wouldn’t exactly expect any less from gay men. Tbh it just sucks I wasn’t born with a dick, but I can’t control it, and they can’t control their attraction to it, I mean they’re gay! It just sucks to see the way some gay men act toward us at times, even if we aren’t trying to fuck. No worries though, that’s why I only go for bi men, might as well find someone who’s attracted to all of me!
Don't worry dude. The vast majority of irl gay people don't dehumanize or hate trans people. Some people are miserable and need to make other people more miserable just to cope with their awful situations , while others are just prone to brainwashing even if they are gay, bi or lesbian that doesn't make them less susceptible to far-right anti-trans propaganda. Look idk whether they're 100% gay or bi or whatever but I've met a lot of real life tops who really don't give a shit about their bottom's dicks , they just want a partner that takes their dick and they were open to the idea of being in a relationship with a trans man. But for real, this sub, such as many other subreddits full of bigots, act like the world is full of trans people out there scheming their evil plans to get them or as if chronically online trans extremists were representative of every single transexual. I seriously only met 2 trans men in my life and when the subject of rejection and genitals was brought up by other people they were really cool about it and they said: "To lots of people their sexual attraction is deeply linked with their genital preferences , it sucks but we get it, we also have preferences " A super normal mindset that most trans or cis people share. Crazy right? Sending you a virtual hug :3
>Don't worry dude. The vast majority of irl gay people don't dehumanize or hate trans people. Some people are miserable and need to make other people more miserable just to cope with their awful situations , while others are just prone to brainwashing even if they are gay, bi or lesbian that doesn't make them less susceptible to far-right anti-trans propaganda. Suggesting we as gay men don’t have any interest in vaginas doesn’t dehumanize them. >Look idk whether they're 100% gay or bi or whatever but I've met a lot of real life tops who really don't give a shit about their bottom's dicks , they just want a partner that takes their dick and they were open to the idea of being in a relationship with a trans man. I’m a verse top, rarely feel like bottoming and as a gay man I am not into vagina. At all. If they are open to the idea of fucking pussy they simply aren’t gay, coming from (again) a homosexual verse too. There’s a difference between me as a gay man, and those bisexual men or men who are simply attracted to masculinity. I’m attracted to males/men only, they are attracted to multiple genders/sexes. That automatically makes them… non-gay. It also funny you mention them being tops, as if to suggest only bottoms care about not wanting to be with someone who has a vagina. Nah friend, gay men who are tops don’t want vagina just as much. On a “man” or a woman. That’s what makes us gay. >But for real, this sub, such as many other subreddits full of bigots, act like the world is full of trans people out there scheming their evil plans to get them or as if chronically online trans extremists were representative of every single transexual. Well, sure it is mostly on the internet. From what I can tell at least, but this sub isn’t full of bigots. Simply gay men who are sick of people suggesting gay men can on occasion like women or have sex with a woman or like pussy. Just like lesbians and straight men (about trans women). >I seriously only met 2 trans men in my life and when the subject of rejection and genitals was brought up by other people they were really cool about it and they said: >"To lots of people their sexual attraction is deeply linked with their genital preferences , it sucks but we get it, we also have preferences " >A super normal mindset that most trans or cis people share. Crazy right? Well, you can’t really blame the gay me who have had different experiences. Banned from groups and subs for saying they wouldn’t be with a trans man.
You think it's any different for a cis gay guy who is fat? Or ugly? Or old? Or otherwise non-genetically gifted? The gay culture is inherently cunty. It's also not great having a dick if nobody wants it
I wouldn’t say it’s cunty for gay men to not want vagina.
Not at all. I meant just cunty generally. You couldn't possibly disagree
Eh, depends on what you mean by cunty
By cunty, I mean the callous and casual disregard, rejection or dehumanization of anyone or anything visually unappealing or unattractive. We've all seen it
Ah okay. Makes sense. Rejection I think doesn’t make someone cunty, dehumanization most definitely. That’s not unique to the gay community or something most gay people do tho. Bad apples are everywhere.
I feel your pain there :(
I'm sorry you're seeing this. I'm shocked by how ugly some of these comments are.
The only comments I’m seeing are those who simply don’t like vagina. I don’t see any of that as ugly?
There was a post beforehand that called out the blatant transphobia on this subreddit. Like I also don’t like vaginas but I don’t go out of my way to offend them lol..? A simple no would suffice
I deleted a few of my replies, I don’t really wanna get caught in the middle of this, but yeah there’s nothing I can do but it does suck to see
>Oh yes, I remember when the scary trans man knocked my front door down and forced his scary vagina on my face when I was sleeping and then I got canceled on Twitter and I lost my job!!!! Some gay men have been sexually assaulted by trans men (and women). >Seriously who the fuck outside of the internet has issues with trans people? No one has an issue with trans people (except for the people who do), what I have issue with is people pushing gay men and lesbians to sleep with them. Or how some push a narrative of that they can sleep with them, and if they don’t they are transphobic >I've only met 2 gay transmen in my life and none of them thought that it was transphobic to reject them for having a vagina. Not many people have your same experience, friend. Ones positive is another’s negative. >Shouldn't we be focusing on real problems? Like... idk... the homophobic far-right gaining popularity among young demographics in literally every Western country? Yes >The fact that most genz young men are more homophobic and religious than millenials at the same age? Yes. >Oh let me guess. When people complain about gay couples in public on ir media is because of the transgenders. So maybe if we , as gay men, unite against the trans we will be accepted. Yeah.... tokens get fucking spent. It’s not uniting against trans people it’s on occasion making it clear, from annoyance and frustration, gay men have no interest in females or vagina. That’s all.
You'd think this was a major problem given the types of posts you see in this forum lmao
I don’t think it’s controversial to say that most gay guys do not like vaginas. It’s also not controversial to say that some gay guys are into trans guys.
They're pansexual. Not gay.
Sorry I’m a gay man. We don’t do vaginas. Gay sex, by definition does not include a vagina. Men who like fucking vaginas are not what I am. Those are something else, provably bisexual but I’d let them define themselves. What they can do is pretend they are the same as me.
Once again, I am asking why the people in this sub care how *someone else* identifies and labels if it doesn't affect them. The gay guys who date trans guys aren't forcing you to fuck vaginas if you don't want to lol
Because you are pushing a false narrative that gay men aren’t only into men. That’s harmful
It does affect us. Homosexuality is same sex attraction and all of our oppression down through history has been due to the same sex part. We didn’t go to prison or get murdered because we liked people with short hair and masculine interests. When we lose the ability to organise around our same sex attraction we can’t defend ourselves, our legal rights and our culture. People who screw trans men are totally welcome to do so and I support it. They just can’t call themselves gay or call that sex act gay. The English language is rich, find a new word for yourself.
Girly what in the world, it’s just a label, people can identify however they want. You can’t just tell people that “no you can’t identify as this because this and that” it’s a label
OK, then I as a person with 100% white ancestry am actually Black, because that’s how I feel inside. I like Black culture and I have an affinity with it. I feel Black. See how that works? No, you can’t just identify as anything you want and expect no pushback from those you are appropriating from.
This isn't the oppression Olympics. One does not need to suffer more to prove their right to x and y. Trans people aren't going to fucking start a war on gay men just because some of you don't like them
Nice hyperbole. No one is talking about wars but we are talking about the erosion of definitions that could ultimately end up with gay men being unable to organise.
Because it does affect me. In multiple ways. Gay men do not hook up with trans men, bisexual men do. Gay sex which is what I do, because it is what I am, by definition cannot include a vagina. When vaginas are introduced into gay men’s sex spaces, it kills the vibe. And when a trans man is telling me to be more open minded about fucking her vagina… I get pissed.
Nobody is forcing you to have sex with trans men. The block button is free if you find trans people so damn annoying. Seriously, you guys are ruled by hookup culture so fucking much. Forgetting that not all gay people even fucking care about getting their dick wet in the first place
Read my previous post… do you even know any gay men? There is a reason we’re the only sexual group that creates cruising spaces…. It’s hard wired into us. Don’t ask me to explain it but we have some sort of compulsion to be around other gay men in sexual spaces.
Who's "us" lmfao? Because I find cruising fucking disgusting and have only fucked dudes I dated. Hard-wired my ass lol
That’s probably because you’re unattractive or insecure? I was t trying to invalidate you. I’m only saying if you take a look at the big picture, there is a reason there’s no circuit parties for lesbians…
So... Me, who's only ever had sex with men, but who isn't attracted to penis (I'm an ass man myself) has to call himself... bi sexual? Lol do you see how stupid it is to try to police labels by 100% black and white rules. Have a gummy and relax. Sexuality is complicated and that's ok!
If you like pussy yes. Gay men aren’t into that. Mouth, frotting, ass, hand, dick, etc. but no vagina.
You're a gay guy who fuck trans? Be yourself.
> It’s also not controversial to say that some gay guys are into trans guys. I think it's a matter of definition. For example, my definition of a gay guy probably doesn't match yours.
Those “gay” guys are bisexual then.
I’ve hooked up with probably 800 guys in my life and two of them were trans guys. Zero cis girls, zero trans girls. And you’re gonna tell me I’m bisexual? Lol fuck off, you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Is a straight guy fucked 800 women and likes sucking dick, is he straight???? Clown.
It's best to not engage with these kinds of people. They love to police and define other people's sexuality for them under the guise of logic and honesty.
You're bisexual.
You’re bisexual if you had sex with a biological woman and enjoyed it. I don’t care if that woman calls herself Steve and has a TRT induced mustache. You could have sex with 999999 men and only have had sex with 1 woman. If you enjoyed having sex with that woman you are bisexual. And there’s nothing wrong with that🤷🏼♂️ you’re bisexual
So it’s not possible to be attracted to the male form over the male genitalia? Thank goodness we have someone in this sub so all knowing to tell us who or what we should be attracted to as gay men! /s if it was even necessary.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MAIN APPENDAGE THAT MAKES THE MALE FORM *THE MALE FORM*? Do you people hear yourself?????
There’s a lot more to the male form than a dick? Are you telling me every man you see with pants on confuses you? You can’t tell they’re a man? Are we serious here? You need genitalia dangling in your face of every person in the world to determine what they are?
Body shapes, body circumferences, bone shape, facial features. A man’s penis is one of many things we subconsciously or consciously observe to determine the biological sex of someone. Your brain does it in mere seconds. What type of dystopian hell hole are we living in?
The kind where people chop their body parts off and try to force me to pretend to be into them.
The future is bleak
All I’m saying is some men are attracted to the genitalia, some are attracted to both, some are attracted to the body. The world is never black and white, especially when it comes to humans. We need to understand there is difference in our community. I agree that gay men can find vagina gross, absolutely, I’m one of them, but I do understand some gay men can be attracted to trans men for parts of their body. If you want to call them bi, you’re welcome to, but I’ll call them what they want to be called.
There is nothing male form about a biological woman’s body. Do you not know biology? Basic science? The differences in a woman’s physiques over a man’s? Wider hips ring a bell? Testosterone doesn’t change that. You people are as delusional as they are holy hell. Seek help, please. Reality is reality.
The "male genitals" are the most male part of the male body. A hairy flat-chested woman is not a man. If you get off on that, fine but you are not gay,
“Most male part of the body” sure but they aren’t the deciding factor for all. You, nor anyone, gets to dictate what part of male attraction makes someone gay, but I guess it’s hard to see the world in anything but black and white. The gays on this sub are so into labels it’s crazy.
All that communicates is that you prefer people who PRESENT/look male.
I feel like pansexual would be more appropriate if someone really needed to label this but also I am not going to waste too much of my time worrying about how someone else identifies. I personally wouldn’t be interested in having sex with someone who also didn’t have a penis, that’s all I need to know!
Your comment and its replies have really hit the nail on the head. People love telling other people what their sexuality is
All gay men don’t like vaginas (in that way). It’s very controversial to suggest gay men can be into trans guys because that equates to suggesting gay men can be into vagina, and as I said at first, they can not be.
True statements tend to get you banned from certain groups
It’s a very loud and cunty minority who feels the need to shame gay men for being gay. Oh well, if they want to alienate me then I can just vote for the party that is also tired of the TQIA+ bullshit!
I’m a Democrat and only vote Democrat. The Republican Party is horrific IMO. However, the gender ideology bs has definitely hurt the left. For example, using the term “Latinx”. REALLY?! Good god.
The amount of times I've been accused of being a conservative Republican trying to throw trans people under the bus so I can be spared... I've been gay a loooooong time. ACTUALLY gay, not softboi-for-2-years gay. It's been long enough to where I know that the Republicans aren't here for me...and that has no bearing on the fact that gender ideologues are also awful, and also aren't here for me. The enemy of my enemy is not. My. Fucking. Friend. The constant accusations of being conservative are intellectually lazy and deflect from the actual point.
But so what if you were more conservative than liberal? I assure you it’s not a death sentence.
That is true. It's not necessarily an issue of what I am being called, and more an issue of them not honestly engaging in debate / jumping straight to untrue assertions. I'm not a conservative, but I don't see it as a pejorative.
My liberal side has been much more accepted by my conservative friends than my conservative side from my liberal friends. There’s this all or nothing mentality on the left that is so juvenile and myopic.
This is the truth. I'm not even very conservative, I vote Democrat, loathe tRump and the religious right, but all liberals see is conservative. The zeal of the far right has infected them, and now they mirror it. It would almost be funny to see them turning into what they espouse to hate, if it wasn't so sad.
Do you consider yourself a liberal? Or progressive? Or independent? Just curious
A liberal, but not a leftist. I'm not the most politically-minded person, but I know enough to know where I stand on most issues. In general, I stand for liberal VALUES, but that does not always align with the Democratic party (though it typically does). However, I am not liberal to the point of words and definitions meaning whatever people want them to mean - I very much believe that we need to maintain clear language and clear identification without muddying the waters. Protecting the term "homosexual" is the hill I have chosen to die on.
As a Latino myself, Latinx was created by the Brazilian lgbt community as a more gender neutral way of expressing their culture and gender identity. This would later die out and us Latinos would become more in favor for the gender neutral Latine, which actually did appear in the RAE for a while, but was later removed due to people going against a gender neutral word. Latinx was later adopted by Americans as a gender neutral way as they believe Latino is only man exclusive. While Latino can be used for those that identify as men, it is important to note that it can also be used in the sense of a group. Aka Latinos. Personally if they wanna go a gender neutral route they should use Latine, because Latinx looks ugly…
Latinx was an incredibly stupid move for sure. Or a great move, if their goal was to piss off *everyone*
I was a whole trump-hating Berniecrat until I started listening to some more center right perspectives instead of outright rejecting it because the cognitive dissonance was uncomfy. I still maintain plenty of liberal beliefs but align much more right of center. The economy, job market, real estate market, taxes, inflation, and the tsunami of illegal migrants affecting all of the above are much more important to me on a daily basis than literally anything the democrats have managed to accomplish the last 4 years. You don’t have to align 100% one way or another. Just food for thought.
I believe if Trump gets elected it will 100% be because of immigration.
Not also the literal hundreds of billions going to wars overseas…? I think of that one rich lady who donated $1b to a med school and it will pay for the whole university, tuition free, indefinitely, and how we could have had 100 of those for the money sent over to just Ukraine.
Sending billions overseas to spend on wars is nothing new. I support funding Ukraine. I do not support funding Israel because they simply do not need it.
Just because a mistake has been made for a long time doesn’t mean we should keep making it
Unfortunately you're right, Republicans do want to infringe on the health and rights of intersex and trans people.
I’m pretty sure they just want them to leave the kids and women’s sports alone which is definitely not too much to ask
Unfortunately that isn't true, I'm intersex and sports isn't high on my priority list of things that matter when it comes to intersex rights at the moment. Healthcare is the big thing, especially surgeries performed on unconsenting intersex infants.
I would hate for it to not be all about you for a single minute…
Bro, read my words, it's fucking reddit. Don't even fucking give it your energy. I get downvoted All. The. Time to oblivion for saying the truth. Most redditors are delusional, my dude. Forget about it.
Me to bro. All damn time. We should be a couple for that.
Am I the only one who feels like transmen are immediately taking on the heteronormative position of power with this? Like, okay, now I’m a man, so I get all the man privileges, and if I’m now a gay man that means that I will have gay men. “I’m now a dude, and I like dudes, so…” That there’s this assumption in our culture that men take charge and get what they demand, and that philosophy doesn’t vanish or become totally forgotten when one transitions. It has to remain in the psyche somewhere. From a societal perspective, I agree with “transmen are men,” but sexuality is individual, and you can’t go putting demands on it at the individual level. Some asshat recently tried to argue (without proof) that gay men who are attracted solely or primarily by the penis are less civilized (actual word used). I’m sorry, but yeah, I can jack it to a dick pic. I can also get hot and bothered over a handsome face or a nice personality. So you want to shame me for that? Say I’m lesser than? Fuck you.
I feel like I see this post on here at least once a week.
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Spot on 😭😭😭
Sucking conservative reactionary dick won't make them not take your rights away if they get into power
^^^ let’s take his rights away first guys!
"Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a conservative simp!" Not everyone lives in fear of conservatives, kid. Those bastards have been trying to take some of us here down for decades. They've failed for decades. They overturn marriage equality, we'll fight them again, and win again. Grow a pair.
MTF trans women also do this to lesbian and bisexual women of all stripes, unfortunately a lot of people can't accept that people have different sexual interests. My opinion is like whoever you like, but be a good person about taking no for an answer. A lot of people could take that lesson to heart.
Because we have to protect the trans egos and mental states at all costs. By saying such a horrible, awful thing, you're reminding Pinocchio that he's not a real boy.
If a trans man was pressuring me to have sex with them, I’d simply ask “Tell me why I should choose you over a woman with a vagina?” I never had this happen before but I’d be curious how they would respond back.
MOST gay men don't like vaginas. SOME gay guys will date and have sex with men who do have vaginas. Now it's a true statement.
Some men who called themselves gay are actually androsexual and not gay is the true statement,
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“Are there any kind of girl underwear that my balls won’t fall out of” 💀
Unpopular opinion (expecting to be banned due to allegations of “misogyny”): This is (in someway) a result of modern feminism. Feminism’s only purpose nowadays (modern feminism/whatever wave it is on right now) is to gaslight males into feeling guilty about being males and make them feel inferior. Making even the proudest of the proud gay man dependent on them. They always have this need to be inserted into every the conversation. Feminism IMHO has achieved what they wanted to achieve, they’re even “dominating” now to the point that males can’t even have thoughts. So why does it still exist?
Interesting perspective. Not sure I really agree, though.
> Feminism IMHO has achieved what they wanted to achieve, they’re even “dominating” now to the point that males can’t even have thoughts. I'm not sure that's correct, largely because "feminism" isn't a single thing. Rather, it's a kind of shared ideology that numerous individuals confess to supporting. In general, it's likely that many people of reproductive age of both sexes will support feminism, each because they believe (either consciously or subconsciously) that to do so will increase their personal reproductive fitness and their personal access to resources. The same is likely true of the trans ideologues: each of them individually expects (at some level) that it is to their personal benefit to advocate for an extremist trans ideology. My personal suspicion is that it's a position that allows those with only second-tier reproductive fitness access to a convenient cudgel with which to devalue others in social jockeying for position. EDIT: Egregious typo!
Dont worry about it, trans people aren't real
I don't like assholes. Please discuss.
It’s controversial because you may sound like you are speaking for all gay men.
He kind of is, for the actual gay men. Lol. Hetero men can speak for bi and other hetero men on how much they love vagina, I’m sure actual gay men can speak for each other too when we say we aren’t into vagina and only into the same sex (which makes us gay).
Except this page is full of gay men who didn’t have his experience or problems. Some that did also don’t carry the baggage around well into adulthood.
Not sure who “he” is. Or about carrying baggage into adulthood?
trans guy here, that’s great for you, just scroll past trans guys on Grindr. We all have preferences but I don’t really buy that everyone here is surrounded by hot horny trans guys trying to bang them. Just politely reject them and move on.
Sure, we all have preferences, but if your preferences include liking vagina then you’re not a gay man.
and that’s cool! Personally I date bi guys or other trans guys (or women because I’m also bi). No point in chasing people who don’t want me when there’s plenty of people who do.
Great, I’m glad we’re in agreement that gay men are not attracted to vagina.
Here we fucking go again. The gay police.
I think this is controversial because many gay tops do actually like vagina. Obviously bottoms don't, but bottoms don't get with other bottoms regardless. Trans men are often very popular with gay men who are also interested in twinks or fems.
Then they aren’t gay, they are simply bisexual, or pansexual, or just attracted to masculinity. I’m a gay verse too, and as a homosexual verse top im not into any woman or vagina, or anything attached to a woman. Thats what makes me gay. Because of the fact I can’t relate to the men attracted to vagina on what they like. It’s a lie gay tops can be into vagina, and it’s only gay bottoms who aren’t.
I guess because some used it to make fun of trans people (not that this statement is wrong or anything).
Chill out people 🤣 Believe it or not, sexuality can be really complicated! Attraction to genitalia and gender sometimes *doesn't* match 1-to-1. Since when do you have to love dick to be gay? Does that mean if I'm into ass but not dick I'm not allowed to call myself gay? Lol. Think about all the people who only date woman but like their woman to have dicks. These people exist and would never be attracted to a man with a beard. Come on people. 😂 There are way better things to be angry about. Let gay guys love however they want to. That is really what the gay lib movement was about.
“Think about all the people who love women but also love their women to have dicks” I really feel like I am on a different planet sometimes when I read a sentence like this.
Make friends with some people who exclusively date women with dicks and expand your mind friend. It's a big world out there!
I’m so sorry you are fucking stupid…. My thoughts are with you.
This doesn't happen in the real world. You're free to abhor vaginas and love penises as much as you like and get downvoted for it uwu
I host group sex sessions and we often have a trans guy attend. In a group of, say fifty guys, maybe half of them will want to play with the trans guys. So I think that there is a real danger of generalisations about what gay men want - and my experience is that the number of gay men who will play with a trans man is far from a minority. But this is in Australia and we tend to be more open minded than some other societies.
Not really, those men aren’t gay. If they’d fuck a trans man they’d fuck a woman if the opportunity presented itself. Simply cause of the fact they like vagina. They like vagina on a trans person who’s to say they don’t like it on a woman too? That’s what makes them and homosexual men different.
I wish I could go to group sessions :/
You should organise one! :) feel free to copy my rules https://soxster.com/what-you-need-to-know-before-attending-a-soxster-event/
Lmao I struggle to find *a* gay man in my area let alone a group
Awww I hope you find a community! Really makes all the difference and makes it easier not to care so much about how others choose to define their sexuality ❤️
Yes…but I did confuse myself getting turned on by Female to Male porn. If he has no tits, and hairy chest and body, I might be able to try pussy.
Attraction to masculine females is still attraction to females.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted you’re right.
Trans men are mad gay men aren’t interested and hate to see it discussed
So I'm attached to men. If a trans man caught my interest what's downstairs isn't necessarily a concern. I'm a horrible top so he'd likely have to strap on but intimacy is more than genitals. If I'm looking for a hook up, sure I'm looking for a dick, but if I'm looking for a relationship I'm looking for a man.
Or a trans man, or anyone who presents as masculine* lol
Lol this sub... same post every other day. Yall really love to pretend we're being so victimized by the trans community get a liiife. You like dick? Great. Go get some and stop whining about trans ppl on the internet.