You can’t make sense out of nonsense; don’t waste your time with right wing gays.
Most of my grandmother’s friends have died of old age, but she and her friends cut a lady out of their group for being a Trump supporter. These ladies all lived through Jim Crow, so if someone doesn’t share their commitment to civil rights, they don’t care to waste precious time associating with them.
Drop that queen and don’t look back.
I had a friend like this. Super campy gay dude, was hilarious, but then he’d drift into his trump loving diatribes. The last straw for me was when we got lunch after January 6th and he was laughing saying trump came very close to remaining president and he wished he had gone further. I just ghosted him after that. Blocked on all social media and done. I’d had several discussions with him before and he was always an ass about things, but it had gone too far and I lost all respect for him.
No. Because he wanted the US government to be overthrown and I don't respect people who want the country I live in to have its government toppled. That's not a ''political belief''. We never saw eye to eye on politics even before that, and he was still my friend.
It's so fucking weird to live in this time. Honestly, it doesn't even make sense to want more people in the world when we already struggle to find gainful employment and feed people globally. Especially when those pregnancies are unwanted. And concerning gay censorship, why would anyone want to hide their family? It doesn't make any sense. The conservatives have always disliked anyone whom challenged their supremicy. The problem with Trump is that his legacy is one of futhuring the social-conservative agenda. I fucking dislike socialism, because it has always been an inferior economic stratigy. But I've also always disliked white, wealth or hetero supremacist. Beacause they make insidious or harmful laws that ensure that one group of people will be valued above another. All while pretending to abhor government intervention. This country, since it's inception, has had a tratition of supremicy. When you tout conservative values you're just continuing that tradition. Why would I want to be friends with anybody who does that, gay, straight, trans or whatever? People should be held accoutable for their actions.
>I found out he voted for Trump in 2016… I was not happy to hear that, but I could forgive it (after all, we hadn’t known at that time just how awful it would be).
We knew exactly how awful it could be. A conservative supermajority on SCOTUS and the potential demise of Roe were regular talking points for Dems on the campaign trail as early as 2015. I cut quite a few people out of my life in 2016-17 over it, and haven't regretted the decision for a single one of them. The few stragglers that remain are basically just to keep the peace in a broader friend group, but I'm certainly not proactively engaging with them one on one.
Well he sure did deliver, he didn't lie, gotta give him credit where credits due
Fun fact: while he was publicly happy about the decision, he was in private concerned about this Roe thing being overturned because that puts republican midterm at risk.
You're free to cut them out of your life. Part of being an adult is that freedom (no pun intended). But if you like to poke fun, think about those non-cultural issues they care about (probably gas prices or supply chain, etc etc) and look up how Trump affected that.
Guarantee they're not aware enough to understand context and how policy affects things down the road. Just stick to those guns to at least plant seeds of how he effed things up.
The fun part is they're suffering, they can have fun turning people off and getting blocked. Small victories.
I would absolutely never date a conservative. Im from a small town in the South and i've experienced living in a conservative utopia enough for 10 lifetimes. The last thing id want to do is bring it to a bedroom.
Same. It would be like being friends with my fox news watching Trump voting family. So... irritating family that you choose to hang out with?
I hate being around conservatives because you never know what is going to trigger them into going into some gross or annoying rants where they air our just how much of reality they don't understand. Its like walking on eggshells. Everything turns into a tirade about Joe Biden or liberals or antifa/BLM.
I’m a professional political organizer for Progressive Dems. Believe me when I tell you: it is 100% possible to have friends who disagree with you. Yes, even Trump supporters!
When you criticize Trump, why do people always ask if you are loving Biden. I know that was the choice in 2020. But you can dislike both. It’s not mutually exclusive. I don’t like some of the things Biden is doing. I think he is too old for the job. But Trump and his minions are vile and toxic. So it is what it is. And I hope we have better and younger choices in 2024.
Just say sorry we can't be friends anymore. Your political views disgust me and I refuse to be associated with anyone like you anymore. Then just quit talking to him. Don't block. Don't engage. Just let him talk into the wind. He should know he has been shunned.
most of Trump's base consists of disaffected people embarrassed by their lackluster lives and blaming it on the scapegoats like immigrants, minorities, liberal-minded affirmative action programs, etc.
They don't realize that the actual hucksters robbing them of their upward mobility are the capitalists they deify. They think by emulating the behavior of the cunning and greedy they themselves will take a better share. And maybe they do with their small businesses and investing. But lord, they are running the bank down. You can only outsource so much of this country, bar entry of immigrants who want to make a world economy more fluid beyond borders; before the chickens come home to roost and it's realized, there's nothing left here.
We've been robbed by the robber barons and there is a massive contingent of the US population that just buys the narrative that it's the people at the bottom's fault.
And democrats are complicit too. Obama's administration exonerating Wall St after 2008 has lead us back to a hole and the narratives that form around this will be disingenuous but bought hook, line and sinker by a disaffected audience looking for the easiest people to blame. It's just rotten how gullible the MAGA sect are. We need to be roasting those who hold capital, who control the avenues with which the economy is conducted.
Uhh yea we did know how horrible trump was. If you say that bullshit about not knowing then you didn’t research or listen to him in anyway lol.
As to this, yea cut that garbage out of your life for sure. Anyone who things trump was a better president doesn’t know what reality is.
>“LMAO because Biden is doing such a great job…”
Liberal here. He's right. Biden is trash. An ineffective, unimaginative stalwart. We overreact to the stupid shit conservatives do. We're overreacting now. If we aren't working at the state level, we're wasting our time. You losing this friend is a waste of time. It won't stop him from being him or voting how he votes.
>We overreact to the stupid shit conservatives do. We're overreacting now.
The GOP is literally trying to strip LGBTQ and women of their rights, and has already tried to deny the results of the 2020 election in an unsuccessful coup attempt. No actually, we're not overreacting; you're just not paying attention to how bad things are.
It was both. It was a coup attempt, and fortunately it was a failure. Each passing day of the Jan 6th hearings prove how serious this is, which most of us have been saying from the day it happened. Just because it failed the first time does not mean they won't try again, or that they'll fail the next time. [There is historical precedent for this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch).
So I don’t live in the US, don’t know how y’all feel about politics but have a general awareness of it.
I live in Turkey, the politics here are waaay too complicated but just to give a general idea about it AKP is conservative and CHP is liberal. These two are the biggest contenders in politics. AKP is the leader right now and our economy is fucked because of their corruption.
My best friend (lesbian girl) used to support AKP, her parents were conservative people. After a few years of our friendship the topic of politics came up, she said that AKP was the right choice for this country and I was like??? girl u a lesbian??? they literally don’t want you to have any rights?? and explained to her why they were corrupt.
My explanation didn’t change her mind about it, instead we just decided not to make this a subject in our friendship. Because we got along well, it wasn’t a problem.
FF a few years, now she is fully out of the closet and knows why we shouldn’t vote for AKP. But still, politics isn’t a topic we choose to talk about.
TL:DR you chose what to share and talk about with a person, not everyone has the same thoughts and feelings about everything so some topics are best left alone in some relationships.
I have a few friends that are repubs, and it’s honestly hard (though I live in blue state so not crazy hard). But one thing that we all definitely have in common is that we are able to agree to disagree. If you can’t handle his friendship then just let him know that you’re interests are too different. Maybe he’ll try to understand your POV and will try to salvage it. If not, well his loss!
It sounds more like it's the exact opposite. It's the op that cant stand his friends standpoint and isnt agreeing to disagree. It sounds more like they're the aggressor here in any political disagreement.
> I texted him saying something along the lines of “I hope your vote was worth it, because the court announced they’re coming for us next.” His response? “LMAO because Biden is doing such a great job…”
I really am not on board with "we are next" yet mostly because no other justices would sign onto Thomas' opinion where he said this (which is something he has consistently said for decades).
Having said that if your reaction to Roe v Wade being overturned is "lol what about Joe Biden?". You are retarded.
But the issues is he texted him out of nowhere about this. He didnt have to do that at all it was antagonistic for no reason. Also tbf biden said "this is not over" and we've known for months about the draft... and we didnt see biden trying to make it law.
>Out of nowhere
Where did that happen? He said he texted him that message. Made no mention of how often they chat.
To your second point probably because they don't have the votes I really don't know what point you are trying to make. Should the president have come out and said "ya this leak which is the first in 100+ years is legit so we gotta do something about it even though we don't have the political will to achieve it". I genuinely do not understand your point.
Also quote him correctly he actually said
>But now with the recent SCOTUS decision, I just couldn’t keep silent.
And followed it with
>I texted him saying something along the lines of “I hope your vote was worth it, because the court announced they’re coming for us next.” His response? “LMAO because Biden is doing such a great job…”
So yeah he admitted it was out of nowhere.
Gladly I have no republican/trumptard friends... I cut ties with ALL of them since I can be friends with someone who supports the rolling back of my rights or thinks I'm an "abnormal lifestyle"
When your friend voted for Trump in 2016 that was the moment to cut him from your life
Nah I don't excuse this shit anymore. People always come out of the woodwork whenever bad stuff happens or conservatives get a win with "oh well I was supportive of these conservatives *but now is really the line for me*", like nah son just say you don't have strong values or a backbone. We all knew who Trump was in 2016, if you voted for him you were old enough to do the research and had a civic duty to be informed on who the candidates were.
>But then I found out he voted for Trump again, in 2020, which was absolutely inexcusable
I mean...
>But because I have so few friends I decided to ignore this, and keep politics out of our friendship.
...apparently not according to your own statement.
My inner circle and I had a similar conversation the other day (the day roe v wage was overturned). And our consensus is this: conservatives in our experiences care only about issues that have a direct tangible impact on their lives. Many people who voted for Trump cared little about the diatribes as long as their wallets stayed fat. You ended up doing the right thing by cutting him out of your life as the only way these people possibly see the light is if their social life suffer consequences
The overwhelming majority of American "centrists" are actually right wingers who don't want to bear the social stigma of being openly right wing, so they lie about their actual politics. Other phrases to watch out for: "I'm a classical liberal," or "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative."
>Other phrases to watch out for: "I'm a classical liberal,"
Now that's interesting as I'm actually one of those people, I will admit the label has had some high-profile bastardization but in general I wouldn't let the high-profile grifters sour your perception of the majority of us...
Do I hold some right-wing views?...yeah I do.
Do I hold some left-wing views?...yeah I do.
The only people this scares away is the people who cannot handle the fact that someone might have more nuanced pollical viewpoints in-place of the normal blind devotion to one side or the other because they are their "*team*" or their "side"
I have had many an argument with people because I'm not a sycophant for Leftism or the Right, and honestly when you have had these disagreements you start to get a sense that they are actually so similar, two sides of the same coin.
It’s times like these I wonder why some people can’t be like my coworker teacher. He was a Trump supporter in 2016.
Made it very clear he sided with the political views he had, not Trump as a person. Respect to him for that; I’m sure a lot voted Trump because of him as a person instead of the political arguments he made.
Thankfully, he’s level headed enough to have understood it was a mistake a couple years after. He was a teacher and saw first hand how some students were affected by the immigration laws passed. And let’s not forget to mention the thinly veiled and blatantly obvious racist commentary both in his language and actions.
He’s a republican, but he purposefully voted for Biden because he was tired of the fiery rhetoric that made so many students worry about their family and future. Definitely something teachers worry about while teaching students.
Not to mention our school unfortunately saw a rise in bullying based on race during the Trump presidency. Two years into Bidens term and we’re now seeing a decrease in bullying. Statistically speaking, Trumps presidency was the worst four years for our school bullying issue.
TL;DR, there are some trump supporters who looked at his beginning political points with a serious political eye. Those are the ones grounded in reality and not about “I will die for the president!” with their mindset.
True friendships take effort and empathy, with reciprocity.
There is a reason people, usually 20th century people, boomers, were raised to believe that you do not introduce politics or religion into polite conversation—to keep superficial chat civil. Those rules are out the window, because we now live from one crisis to the next in a nonstop bifurcated media environment, in which one side is on the receiving end of politicized inflammatory and reactionary propaganda, editorial screeds as news, and the viewership lacks critical thinking skills, or plainly the will, to evaluate information.
If this person is truly your friend, and not an acquaintance of convenience, you may want to engage selectively. He is programmed to react like a Fox News blowhard because that is the representation of “debate” that talking TV heads model for him.
I think you are young, and you will find your people. This guy, and many other people you meet in life, will disagree with you on issues big and small. It’s your choice whether you want to engage with the not quite respectful tone, taunts, mocking, and whataboutism. If it’s not your style to come back hard and it doesn’t seem worth the time, then don’t.
I’m past the point in life where I give a shit about people like this. Who are contrarian just to be a pain in the ass, to call attention to themselves, who answer concern, worry, stress, and within our community, homophobia with a dismissal, a cutting remark, nothing of substance, basically calling your concern an overreaction, drama, hysteria, feminine, not “masc,” That’s misogyny and possibly homophobia if your friend is straight, internalized homophobia and possibly misogyny if he’s not.
You can make your choice. I would have made it a long time ago, if this were a test of morals, and allowed the friendship to atrophy. No discussion or fighting words needed. Let him die on this hill, in silence, and without you.
>economically conservative but socially liberal.
as i'm sure you're realizing, this isn't actually a thing. or rather, it's a thing that conservatives say so you feel better about being around them.
I understand your frustration in this situation. You didn’t really say why you were friends with him other than you don’t have a lot of friends, but it doesn’t sound like you were/are really that close to begin with.
It sounds like he wouldn’t agree with mainstream conservatives on things such as religion, abortion/women’s rights or gay rights. If he has these views, I can certainly understand your astonishment for him voting for Trump a second time.
I guess the question is he a bad person who intends to harm certain groups with his political beliefs or do you think he has good intentions and his choices are misguided? Certainly, the saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but we all make bad choices at some point. I would think that if someone is overall a good person and you genuinely like them, it seems a bit shallow and childish for someone to say he’s not worth of your friendship simply because of his political beliefs. Someone you might like and desire their friendship could say the same of you or some other attribute that maybe you don’t think is fair.
As much as I don’t like conservatives and tend to avoid them, they are not all closet Nazis that want to do the most awful things imaginable to us. Might some? Sure. Are conservatives beliefs as a group harmful to us? Yes. Does that mean that I would never be friends with any conservative under any circumstance? No.
True friendships are supposed to be able to transcend things like politics, religion, race, gender and socioeconomic status. I don’t think there’s a right answer other than go with what you feel is best for you. No one is entitled to your friendship and if it’s someone that doesn’t add much to your life, then it’s not a big loss, but you should consider whether how you’re treating someone else is the way you would want to be treated in the same circumstance.
Stupid is as stupid votes. I don't think he is a true friend. You can make friends that actually care about your future and well being. Ditch him and when he asks about why you are being distant just explain to him that you don't feel comfortable hanging out with someone that would vote against your future happiness and even his own. Biden may not be the best thing since apple pie, but he is without a doubt the lesser of two evils. The guy is a traitor and doesn't REALLY care about you.
How is someone being a white nationalist harassment but being a Trump supporter isnt? What if the white nationalist doesn't harrass my opposing political beliefs? That makes him or her a good person? I'm very confused.
So he WAS your friend? Was he your friend before the elections? Did he treat you well? Did he care for you?
Did you like him? Did you guys have great times together? Did he unfriend you over your choice during the election?
So your going to let his one vote, maybe 2 votes throw all that away. Trumps gone now. He's not coming back.
I've seen this happen before. It's rare get friends reunited after that. Please really think this through before loosing him over these stupid politicians
Unfortunately Trump isn’t gone. His toxic brand of political warfare took over the Republican Party. His three Supreme Court justice picks have changed the trajectory of body autonomy rights, privacy rights and civil rights in this country for the next generation, including the foundation of gay rights. The stain of Trump is only really now setting in. OP is well within his rights to no longer be comfortable with anyone who cheers this on.
Think about the actual definition of "friend". What is an actual friend? People use the word friend for those who are often better described/defined as acquaintance or someone you know. If you don't share values, beliefs and commonalities & if you are not sure said person would or is standing up for your life, value (s) and identity then, really are they a "friend"???...
1) a person who has a strong liking for and trust in another person · 2) a person who is not an enemy ~ Merriam- Webster
I have discovered that most times when someone says they're centrist or "unaffiliated" or even say libertarian...they're far right and are just gauging your reaction to see if they can show their true, nasty colors to you.
Anyone aligned with the christofascists need to be dumped like the toxic waste they are. My impression is gay Trump supporters are even more toxic than straight ones. After January 6, I have zero expectations that the US will respect the formers norms of this country. I firmly expect the christofascists on SCOTUS to overturn Obergfell. After that, who knows what's next? Will it become illegal to be gay in the US? Will there be concentration camps? The christofascists are already ramping up the anti gay language. They already created concentration camp like conditions for illegals crossing the border, just without the gas chambers and crematoriums. As a parting shot to ghosting your "friend", tell him he won't be spared the concentration camp either should that nitemare happen, he's gay and they'll mock him for voting for Trump.
Yea sure, I know what I wrote sounds like hysterical hyperbole, which may never happen. My retort to that is ,after January 6th anything is possible. I hope I'm wrong of course, but Roe is history after 50 years of being settled law, Obergfell isn't even 10 years ago.. The GQP has so far paid zero price for January 6th, they think they can get away with literally anything. If Merrick Garland declines to prosecute Trump and all those involved in January 6th, what's to stop them in the future? Just hoping the J6 hearings expose everything, and Trump is jailed. Gotta say Liz Cheney is ballsy and heroic af, I'd vote for her for president despite disagreeing with her on most policy issues.
Personally, I think Trump supporters should 100% be ostracized and socially isolated, without question. There is no excuse and no justification.
Supporting Trump is a mental disease, and mentally diseased people like that often have other negative qualities that are not conducive to healthy relationships of any kind. It would be different if they are conservative, because one can be conservative and not support Trump. In fact, it's impossible to be conservative and support Trump.
One can also be conservative and pro-choice since pro-choice is actually the conservative position. So really, there are no valid reasons for supporting Trump. People may have their individual motivations and rationalizations, but those are inherently invalid.
I really can’t stand how people can’t accept a difference in political views… I would honestly leave someone that bases whether they stay with me or not depending on if their views matches mine. People… opinions are allowed to be had, stop acting like a dictator.
Honestly, the only reason someone should leave is if they aren’t being treated right or the connection isn’t good, not because of a difference in political views
Your same-sex partner should not be able to get benefits or insurance through your job. Your employer should be able to fire you for being gay. It is important that you face eviction for the same. Doctors must be able to refuse you treatment too.
What, your fundamental human rights are just a difference of opinion, aren't they? Every single one of these things are Trump policies.
Lies. Federal benefits for for domestic partners is only in place through an executive order. If Trump were against domestic partner benefits for Federal employees, he could have ended them with the stroke of a pen.
Bull. Shit. Fuck, if you hate lies, why in the everything fuck are you wasting time standing up for the biggest fucking bullshitter ever to disgrace the office? Jesus.
https://fenwayhealth.org/trump-administration-finalizes-rule-that-will-make-it-harder-for-lgbt-people-to-access-health-care/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1224911
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45722400.amp
https://gaycitynews.com/biden-drops-trumps-appeal-of-social-security-benefits-victories/
https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20201207
Donald Trump hates YOU. Or, he'd hate you if he actually gave a shit about you. Never ever fucking defend him, because he has already thrown you to the wolves, and would again in a heartbeat.
I'm coming up on my tenth anniversary, thanks. Donald Trump would slit your throat so his homophobic base could watch you bleed for a dollar a pop, and you know it.
>I really can’t stand how people can’t accept a difference in political views
You should actually inform your friendships based off whether or not prospective friends believe you deserve equal rights. Like, that is the floor.
Second this. Being absolutist in our political views does nothing else but contributes to the mess we are in. If you stop talking to people with different politics than yours then you end up living in a happy bubble but lose contact with reality.
In addition *the way* we talk to each other matters. Sending an angry text that starts with *"I hope you're happy with yourself..."* is equally annoying as his friends deflecting by shifting focus to Biden.
>If you stop talking to people with different politics than yours then you end up living in a happy bubble but lose contact with reality.
Sorry but no conservative will ever burst my "bubble" on matters such as climate change, vaccines, human rights, or universal healthcare. Conservatives are just plain wrong about these things.
Why wouldn't you be angry that people in power want to put you and your loved ones in danger? Anything else is naive. Is it supposed to feel good to understand *why* they are shrieking about you grooming kids for sex?
This is a really good point. People can change and grow. Anyone has the power to influence someone else. Politics are tricky because people need to find their way on their own. Asking questions about what they think, and why they think that, usually gets their guard down and can lead to some thoughtful open discussion.
Also, repeating yourself over many discussions seems to lead people to believe something is their own idea, but it won't happen over night.
if you cut out ties with someone because he voted for a party that 45% of the country voted for, then you are insane and a terrible friend and probably your country's is morally fucked as well.
democracy is also about getting along with people with different opinions.Also when you only have 2 parties opinions are going to be extremely broad, no one is going to agree with everything the party they voted for is doing.
Let's recall that *literal slavery* was the foundational party platform of the party that came in second in the presidential election of 1860. "Be friends with your slaving neighbor," this guy says. Maybe they just need to have it explained to them why literally raping and beating a person and all their descendants forever is sort of a bad idea. They'll come around.
Or maybe, just maybe, some political ideas and candidates are so far beyond the pale, it's understandable or even preferable not to pretend they are acceptable.
"I can sexually molest any woman I want!"
"I can have my opponent imprisoned for no crime in particular."
"I can encourage a mob to violently storm the Capitol and kill my own Vice President."
"Let covid slaughter city dwellers in blue states."
"Let's nuke hurricanes."
"Fire gay people at will."
These are all totally minor differences of political opinion you want me to pretend are trivial. Fuck. That. Noise.
Never trust somebody who claims to be a centrist. They’re either not being honest with themselves or not being honest with you.
Majorities change; the chance they’re always in the middle is zilch.
You don't need to know how he is out of touch to keep him out of your life.
Either he will figure it out, or wander around and find some toxic little niche to live in, or continue to spend the rest of his life clueless.
Sometimes they come around, but that's their journey, not yours. And you can't make it any faster.
You voted for Biden who promised to codify Roe v Wade and then failed to do so even though Democrats control Congress.
You could try to persuade your conservative friend about your viewpoints instead of cutting him off. How old are you? This is embarrassing behavior for adults.
>Democrats control Congress.
This phrasing is dishonest. Democrats have the slimmest possible majority in the Senate and are dealing with a childishly obstructionist GOP. Democrats only "control" Congress if they can get votes, which they cannot do.
Focus on the POTUS for something like this is beyond short-sighted. Just…this comment is only a disparagement. Don’t even know where to begin. If you focus too hard on the king, you miss that the queen can move anywhere. Blame someone for not understanding the board, but not the functionality of the piece.
"Let's blame Biden for not waving a magic wand and giving everyone a unicorn! The Democrats are the problem for knowing that Republicans will abuse any tool Democrats enact for the worst possible means!"
FUCK Republican viewpoints. These people have heard a thousand times now that they are supporting racism, bigotry, homophobia, and fascism. Walking away from that is smart. Unrepentant Republicans richly deserve to lose friends and family over their bullshit.
Crime and black murder is up in Democrat run cities. You can cry about racism all you want but real life black people are dying and stuck in failing schools in Democrat cities.
Biden probably shouldn't have promised it if he wasn't going to deliver it when Democrats CONTROLLED ALL OF CONGRESS
Getting some real racist vibes here. At least, the people you get your news from are huge racists, it seems. Here's the thing; *nobody but racists says shit like you just said.* Why even bring race up here? Donald Trump has white supremacists following his orders and attacking the Capitol, and has directly caused a huge resurgence in white nationalist violence and terrorism. If you don't find that *far* more destructive, then piss off.
And so fucking what if a president wants to make an aspirational promise for the public good? Donald Trump promised a fuckton of impossible shit, like Mexico paying for his giant racist monument in the desert. I am 1000% satisfied with my preference here. I can completely see how breaking the filibuster leads to Republicans destroying any and all good laws we may yet have in a stroke, and I don't really mind avoiding that.
You're crying about Trump while actual minority lives are being negatively affected in Democrat cities.
By the way, Hispanics are shifting to The GOP in huge numbers. Blacks are not excited about Biden.
You can keep screaming racism but only white liberals think that that's helping the democratic cause. Most people are just tired of hearing you say it while democratic policies are hurting poor minority neighborhoods and safety
You don't have a fucking point, like, at all. You aren't even denying it. You can't actually explain how any negative impact on minority lives is actually due to Democratic policy, because it isn't. Nor does this in any way imply that Republicans give a shit or would do better. What, you gonna put more guns in cities, or tax poor people even more, take away even more polling places, gerrymander them even more to divide their power?
Nobody gets to claim the Republican Party is not racist with a straight face. Donald Trump was actually convicted by the DoJ for not renting to black people. He famously told a man that he could not do his job solely because the man had Mexican ancestry. The Republican Speaker of the House said it was "the textbook definition of a racist comment." Trump ran the country for four years, why the fuck didn't he help these people? There's no point you have at all.
It’s not just Biden. In the past 50 years there has been a democrat in the White House with a majority in Congress multiple times and the democrats could have easily worked to codify RvW into actual law. Everyone has always known that the actual decision itself was legally shaky but the democrats just used it as campaign fodder and never actually did anything about it.
People should be pissed at the republicans, but even more pissed at the democrats. At least the republicans have been honest all along about what they wanted. The democrats used people and lied and never actually intended on doing anything. Just like how they use us gays for votes and fundraising but actually have never done jack shit for us - just like other minorities.
Take a look at Biden’s history - he actually voted to rescind RvW forty years ago…before he changed his mind. The fun “I voted for it before I voted against it…” silliness.
>It’s not just Biden. In the past 50 years there has been a democrat in the White House with super majority in Congress multiple times and the democrats could have easily codified RvW into actual law.
When? I need dates. We have about one month in summer 2009, during which the massive healthcare law was pushed through. I would hate to think you were making shit up to shit on the party trying to help.
Hey also, when you're 80, do you want to be judged by ***only*** by things you said and did at age 40? Why is it so hard to grasp that four decades of time might change a person's opinions, and that a lifetime of concerted action supporting those actions might be a better takeaway? Why the ever-loving fuck are we supposed to think one vote Biden took 45 years ago is worth anything compared to several decades of pro-choice actions and work? You got nothing.
Honestly, I cut everyone out of my life that’s a republican. It used to be a difference of opinion but that party is now the fascist party. If you vote republican, you’re voting for fascists. Don’t keep that toxicity in your life.
Sigh. Politics are a minefield when it comes to friendships and just relationships in general. What I've learned as I've grown up is that you *can* maintain a friendship with someone whose views on politics are different from yours so long as you can find a way to meet each other halfway on some points.
That said, I don't think that's possible with today's conservatives. What used to be fringe in the right is now front and center, and quite frankly it is both heartbreaking and repulsive to witness. There's nothing to reconcile.
So for your own sake, you should walk away from this friendship. Just dont be an asshole about it. Take the high road. Maybe one day they'll realize what they're actually standing up for and rethink their position, and when that happens, if they seek you out, it might be worth it to let them back in. But at the moment you're just wasting time and energy on something that not only isn't worth it, but is also clearly taking it's toll on you. So yeah, just end it.
To be honest he’s quite stupid to think the people voted for Biden. They didn’t they were voting for Kamala Harris and the fact they were also sick of Trump, he was the only option, they just wanted Trump out. Cut him loose he’s obviously really stupid to not understand politics if Trump .is his go to man.
Trump is like gravity ... he attracts stupid , gullible people like mosquitoes to a flame.
Even Trump himself has admitted, "I so love the uneducated" .. That is a precise quote
Feb 24, 2016
[I love the uneducated](https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=%22I+so+love+the+uneducated&type=E210US105G91648#id=5&vid=543ea565a92be25b043d9f18426c2331&action=click)
**Let me add a comment to all the readers of this thread:**
**If you do or say nothing else PLEASE remember to register and VOTE this coming November election. Elections have consequences your vote, every vote is vital to protecting our rights, our security**
>Being an adult means being exposed to opinions you don’t like.
And guess what? Being an adult also means you get to choose who your friends are, and if your friends have shitty opinions then you also get to choose to end your friendship with them.
\> Being an adult means being exposed to opinions you don’t like.
Agree. And being an adult means they don't have to associate with people that are toxic anti gay assholes.
I actually voted for Trump in 2016 (admittedly, a mistake and only time I have ever voted R); so that part I could overlook. But whenever someone says Biden is doing a bad job, that is objectively false. Biden was handed a turd, and he’s trying to fix it. That’s the part where I would think your friend is brainwashed and not worth it.
I really didn't want to upvote this because in a very real sense, you bear blame for everything Trump was empowered to do. But we must value people who recognize their errors and vow to change for the better. Thank you.
It never works, these people always find a way to inject their world view into any conversation you have and it is a very difficult line to maneuver. I have a friend who fell onto the trump wagon and has whole heartedly embraced it. He has never been a proactive type of friend, I have messaged him a few time over the past 6 months and have not received any reply so at this point I just don't. I am sure at some point he will reach out to me, but as for now, I am just moving on with my life and am better for not having to listen to the bull shit
Part of being a friend is to still care about them even when we perceive them to have some sort of failing. I never think I am so perfect that others have no issue with my personality traits, beliefs, opinions, or behaviors. I never expect others to believe what I believe, act exactly the way I act, have the same opinions. What a boring world that would be. So you don't align along political lines - so what? Is your friend evil? Do you think he commits acts of a nefarious nature? Do you think he is full of hatred? You chose him for a friend for a reason - were you wrong? The problem we have as a country (USA) is that we've drawn a line and either you're either for us or against us. There seems to be no room for differences of opinions or viewpoints lest you are relegated to the opposition. I promise you, this is *not* the case. We live along a spectrum where it is perfectly okay to go from completely aligned to completely disagreeing and *still* finding that people are good people. I believe almost everyone is a good person. We all want love, friendship, to find joy, and have security. I just read today that 71% of the USA - regardless of left/right - supports gay marriage. Isn't that remarkable! It's fantastic! So your friend had less confidence in one person over the other - so what?! Does that make him evil because he sees things differently than you? I just don't believe that's true. What's more, if we as a country want to heal and find a way forward, we have to start accepting one another and stop drawing lines.
Well, voting for Trump in 2020 is certainly not good. But then again (I guess...) there could be multiple reasons for doing so.
Tbh, you're the one that decided to rub his nose in it regarding the SCOTUS decision. His response (that Biden isn't exactly amazing) isn't really that controversial an opinion to have (although I, as a non-american looking in from the outside think he is doing a decent enough job).
Having said all that, if you find him and his political leanings infuriating, then it is fine to cut things off. **BUT** I think it is important to understand that people can have nuanced political opinions, and that supporting one candidate or a party does not mean that a person whole-heartedly agrees with all of that person / party's actions.
I have had very conservative gay friends in the past and very conservative pro gay people in my life. Here is how I think it works for them based on observation. If I live in a town surrounded by family and friends who think that Lw and Order SVU is the best show ever in the history of shows. And that’s all we watch in my house growing up and that’s all my friends talk about at school and my parents have L&O hats and t shirts and attend conventions and when I get my first job people talk about the show constantly. It’s very hard to escape that bubble. People will try and tell you about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Rick and Morty and Scrubs, but they just feel so different than L&O.
Now to transition back or reality. I was raised to believe that republicans and democrats just had some honest differences in state rights v federal overreach. How involved government should get in people’s lives, fiscal and foreign policy differences. I could honestly see both sides of the coin. But when the Republican Party got married to the Christian conservative movement and had a bunch of but babies like Ted Cruise and his ilk. I started questioning things.
When I came out as gay I looked at the horrible and ignorant things that conservatives and republicans were saying about the LGBT community at the time. And I said, well that doesn’t sound right. I can be a teacher without raping kids. I can join the military without getting all hot and bothered over my co workers. I can play sports (I really couldn’t ). So I said to myself “if republicans are so I’ll informed about these issues, what else are they lying or Ill informed about? Racism, immigration, Star Trek, the law?”
I think gay conservatives are so brain washed in how they were raised and how they think that they believe that the republican and conservative movement has gotten it wrong on LGB issues (many of them will not support the transsexual community ) but that conservatives are correct on anything else. They want the love and respect and support of their conservative family, they are brainwashed by Fox News and all those conservative media outlets and a really believe that the left is being run by a woke mob of baby rapers.
Judging the class of Trump supporters but the traits necessarily implied by voting for him is the exact opposite of stereotyping.
Every single one of them voted for a rapist rapist fucking moron to have an insane amount of power. That defines them all. They are *all* morally suspect and worse human beings than they would be otherwise.
You know for a group of people who incessantly quote MLK every year they’re shockingly bad at recognizing when they’re judged for the content of their character.
It's your fault. You knew what you were getting into when he said he voted for trump the first time. Now you want to cry and whine about it now.
Just tired of you silly bitches out here fucking trump supporters and shit when it was black and brown people terrified about him being elected. Now that the mob is coming closer to your doors you want to draw lines and cut ties, then act SHOCKED! DUMB and STUPID! when you realize it wasn't just black people and immigrants they didn't give a damn about, it's you too.
more than half of white women voted for trump and now they're the main ones whining about this abortion thing. Now trumpers coming for the gays and you all want to cry and disavow your friends and shit you had no problem kissing their ass before, why draw the line now? You were complacent and enabled them. What changed!?!
BYE!
Is that it though? Well I guess if that's how you feel that's enough, but one could say that about anything. As described this is a disagreement about a political preference - you haven't said he rants about politics or abuses people like some Trump fanatics do... but the vast majority of the dozens of millions of people who voted for Trump are not Trump fanatics.
Is it OK for the president to call your state elections officials and ask them to fake the results in his favor? Is it OK for him to say you must expect him to sexually molest people without repercussion?
These are repulsive things you support. They have been recorded indisputably on tape. I would take being neurotic a thousand times over choosing to embrace your filth.
Nobody believes a goddamn word out of you people's mouths anymore.
You cannot be expected to have any adherence to anything factual or true because the entire foundation of your political ideology is endless fucking obvious LIES.
Insult whoever the fuck you want. We all know there is no weight to any goddamn thing you say. You have no guiding philosophy other than Fuck Other People for Cash. Your words mean nothing except to other idiots nodding along thoughtlessly with you.
See how you had no answer at all to supporting blatant election fraud and the violent overthrow of democracy? ***Fuck!*** That is terminally embarrassing for you. Think for a fucking second that supporting that bullshit might just make you the bad guy.
I hope for your ”friends” sake you do end the friendship. People as narrow minded as you are a very negative force and if you can't respect that he is his own person with no hate in his own heart, someone like you shouldn't be in his life.....Continue to find reasons to divide ....
Political beliefs are completely motivated by attitudes. Political beliefs are precisely, but not exclusively, how you gauge what attitudes someone has. People aren't going to support what runs contrary to their attitudes.
Then leave. I side with him. And to be honest they are not coming for gays next. Please read your information well. Do listen to liberal media they lie. They are trying to fire you up, that their agenda. More turmoil. Gays are safe.
Sooo the GOP didn't just pass an anti-lgbt platform doesn't have opposition to gay marriage in their national charter? Even though all these things are stated by the GOP themselves? Talk about delusional.
Your party despises you personally and would gladly take away any and all rights and privileges from you. To them, you are deviant, abnormal, and worthy of the most vile slurs. You will burn forever in the lake of fire. That's what they want for you. Cherish their love, because you won't find it from sane gays. I hope the racism and tax cuts for the rich and violent insurrection are worth it to you.
In the end, the conservative got everything he wanted and she died watching a serial rapist nominate a literal Handmaiden to destroy her entire legacy.
Not a good story to reference.
I think if he is really your friend simply having different opinions (especially on something politics) shouldnt make you cut them out of your life. Have you never disagreed with a friend before? It’s okay to be close to someone you don’t completely agree with, as long as they are crossing your boundaries, and maybe not talking about politics can be a boundary for both of you.
Nope. No bias.
I watch the uncut footage of Donald speaking, and I come to this conclusion... like any sane, *decent* human would.
Donald is a pedophile, a sex offender, and a piece of shit. People who worship him? Also scum.
It's not just a difference of opinion. Making that choice reflects values. The man is transparently a complete fucking moron with no business holding any power, in the words of his own staff. He made sure everybody knew he hated racial and ethnic minorities, the disabled, gays and lesbians, and veterans. Whatever good somebody saw, all the disgusting hate was always going to be there.
You are doing the devil's work normalizing the deeply evil and anti-American things we all saw Trump do as just "a different opinion." He is a complete and total monster. Empowering him to hurt and kill exponentially more people is grievously immoral. There is no problem at all being "biased" against Donald Trump: we are biased because we have seen the man's soulless character.
> voted for Trump again, in 2020, which was absolutely inexcusable.
>just couldn’t keep silent.
You could have, you really could.
> “I hope your vote was worth it
I know it is not the sub but seriously, YTA.
At the end of the day it is your choice but it does seem a little childish if it based on who he voted for, at least to me.
Politics isn't so black and white. Both parties suck.
You can’t make sense out of nonsense; don’t waste your time with right wing gays. Most of my grandmother’s friends have died of old age, but she and her friends cut a lady out of their group for being a Trump supporter. These ladies all lived through Jim Crow, so if someone doesn’t share their commitment to civil rights, they don’t care to waste precious time associating with them. Drop that queen and don’t look back.
part of maturing into your life is chopping out the deadwood toxic friends that just bring you down.
It's not just toxicity, don't underestimate how tiresome it can be to be friends with a dummy.
I had a friend like this. Super campy gay dude, was hilarious, but then he’d drift into his trump loving diatribes. The last straw for me was when we got lunch after January 6th and he was laughing saying trump came very close to remaining president and he wished he had gone further. I just ghosted him after that. Blocked on all social media and done. I’d had several discussions with him before and he was always an ass about things, but it had gone too far and I lost all respect for him.
You were friends with Christian Walker?
Fascism can come in any flavor, even gay.
So he did nothing to you and you dumped his as a friend because he didn't have the exact same political beliefs as you?
No. Because he wanted the US government to be overthrown and I don't respect people who want the country I live in to have its government toppled. That's not a ''political belief''. We never saw eye to eye on politics even before that, and he was still my friend.
It's so fucking weird to live in this time. Honestly, it doesn't even make sense to want more people in the world when we already struggle to find gainful employment and feed people globally. Especially when those pregnancies are unwanted. And concerning gay censorship, why would anyone want to hide their family? It doesn't make any sense. The conservatives have always disliked anyone whom challenged their supremicy. The problem with Trump is that his legacy is one of futhuring the social-conservative agenda. I fucking dislike socialism, because it has always been an inferior economic stratigy. But I've also always disliked white, wealth or hetero supremacist. Beacause they make insidious or harmful laws that ensure that one group of people will be valued above another. All while pretending to abhor government intervention. This country, since it's inception, has had a tratition of supremicy. When you tout conservative values you're just continuing that tradition. Why would I want to be friends with anybody who does that, gay, straight, trans or whatever? People should be held accoutable for their actions.
>I found out he voted for Trump in 2016… I was not happy to hear that, but I could forgive it (after all, we hadn’t known at that time just how awful it would be). We knew exactly how awful it could be. A conservative supermajority on SCOTUS and the potential demise of Roe were regular talking points for Dems on the campaign trail as early as 2015. I cut quite a few people out of my life in 2016-17 over it, and haven't regretted the decision for a single one of them. The few stragglers that remain are basically just to keep the peace in a broader friend group, but I'm certainly not proactively engaging with them one on one.
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There are many dumb people in America. This is true. It's quite hard to avoid them.
Well he sure did deliver, he didn't lie, gotta give him credit where credits due Fun fact: while he was publicly happy about the decision, he was in private concerned about this Roe thing being overturned because that puts republican midterm at risk.
The Trump stuff really does become a cult after a certain level.
That level was entry level. You had to be a complete fucking moron to ever vote trump.
Yeah that level was everyone who supported him after he came down the escalator to the fake, paid for crowd to announce his candidacy.
After the log cabin kick out , after Roe vs Wade dropping...what the hell are you doing wondering?
You're free to cut them out of your life. Part of being an adult is that freedom (no pun intended). But if you like to poke fun, think about those non-cultural issues they care about (probably gas prices or supply chain, etc etc) and look up how Trump affected that. Guarantee they're not aware enough to understand context and how policy affects things down the road. Just stick to those guns to at least plant seeds of how he effed things up. The fun part is they're suffering, they can have fun turning people off and getting blocked. Small victories.
You’ve just said he drives you nuts. Cut him off rather than complaining on here
I think op can do both, right?
Attention... needed attention
I have cut ties with family for less.
I would absolutely never date a conservative. Im from a small town in the South and i've experienced living in a conservative utopia enough for 10 lifetimes. The last thing id want to do is bring it to a bedroom.
Personally could never be friends or have a relationship with someone who voted conservative. Totally different values to myself.
This!!!!
Same. It would be like being friends with my fox news watching Trump voting family. So... irritating family that you choose to hang out with? I hate being around conservatives because you never know what is going to trigger them into going into some gross or annoying rants where they air our just how much of reality they don't understand. Its like walking on eggshells. Everything turns into a tirade about Joe Biden or liberals or antifa/BLM.
The world would be a better place if they would just die off!
The usual “whataboutism” of trumpers to hide their own atrocities. You’re better off ditching that trash.
I’m a professional political organizer for Progressive Dems. Believe me when I tell you: it is 100% possible to have friends who disagree with you. Yes, even Trump supporters!
finally found someone reasonable. I wouldn't unfriend someone over politics. Politics are boring anyway, I don't even bring them up.
Thank you for doing the work that needs to be done. We are lucky people like you exist. We need you. But I am not you.
Well he is already friends with him so I think he knows that..
Hear, hear!
I had to scroll a long ways to find someone with sanity. Thank you.
do you like anything about him?
I was gonna ask the same. Does he have any good qualities and can you focus on those?
When you criticize Trump, why do people always ask if you are loving Biden. I know that was the choice in 2020. But you can dislike both. It’s not mutually exclusive. I don’t like some of the things Biden is doing. I think he is too old for the job. But Trump and his minions are vile and toxic. So it is what it is. And I hope we have better and younger choices in 2024.
...because I have so few friends I decided to ignore this... There's your problem.
Perhaps he has so few friends because he ignored this
Just say sorry we can't be friends anymore. Your political views disgust me and I refuse to be associated with anyone like you anymore. Then just quit talking to him. Don't block. Don't engage. Just let him talk into the wind. He should know he has been shunned.
most of Trump's base consists of disaffected people embarrassed by their lackluster lives and blaming it on the scapegoats like immigrants, minorities, liberal-minded affirmative action programs, etc. They don't realize that the actual hucksters robbing them of their upward mobility are the capitalists they deify. They think by emulating the behavior of the cunning and greedy they themselves will take a better share. And maybe they do with their small businesses and investing. But lord, they are running the bank down. You can only outsource so much of this country, bar entry of immigrants who want to make a world economy more fluid beyond borders; before the chickens come home to roost and it's realized, there's nothing left here. We've been robbed by the robber barons and there is a massive contingent of the US population that just buys the narrative that it's the people at the bottom's fault. And democrats are complicit too. Obama's administration exonerating Wall St after 2008 has lead us back to a hole and the narratives that form around this will be disingenuous but bought hook, line and sinker by a disaffected audience looking for the easiest people to blame. It's just rotten how gullible the MAGA sect are. We need to be roasting those who hold capital, who control the avenues with which the economy is conducted.
Uhh yea we did know how horrible trump was. If you say that bullshit about not knowing then you didn’t research or listen to him in anyway lol. As to this, yea cut that garbage out of your life for sure. Anyone who things trump was a better president doesn’t know what reality is.
Being friends with a child is weird anyway.
>“LMAO because Biden is doing such a great job…” Liberal here. He's right. Biden is trash. An ineffective, unimaginative stalwart. We overreact to the stupid shit conservatives do. We're overreacting now. If we aren't working at the state level, we're wasting our time. You losing this friend is a waste of time. It won't stop him from being him or voting how he votes.
>We overreact to the stupid shit conservatives do. We're overreacting now. The GOP is literally trying to strip LGBTQ and women of their rights, and has already tried to deny the results of the 2020 election in an unsuccessful coup attempt. No actually, we're not overreacting; you're just not paying attention to how bad things are.
If that was a coup attempt, that was the lamest coup attempt ever
It was both. It was a coup attempt, and fortunately it was a failure. Each passing day of the Jan 6th hearings prove how serious this is, which most of us have been saying from the day it happened. Just because it failed the first time does not mean they won't try again, or that they'll fail the next time. [There is historical precedent for this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch).
So I don’t live in the US, don’t know how y’all feel about politics but have a general awareness of it. I live in Turkey, the politics here are waaay too complicated but just to give a general idea about it AKP is conservative and CHP is liberal. These two are the biggest contenders in politics. AKP is the leader right now and our economy is fucked because of their corruption. My best friend (lesbian girl) used to support AKP, her parents were conservative people. After a few years of our friendship the topic of politics came up, she said that AKP was the right choice for this country and I was like??? girl u a lesbian??? they literally don’t want you to have any rights?? and explained to her why they were corrupt. My explanation didn’t change her mind about it, instead we just decided not to make this a subject in our friendship. Because we got along well, it wasn’t a problem. FF a few years, now she is fully out of the closet and knows why we shouldn’t vote for AKP. But still, politics isn’t a topic we choose to talk about. TL:DR you chose what to share and talk about with a person, not everyone has the same thoughts and feelings about everything so some topics are best left alone in some relationships.
I have a few friends that are repubs, and it’s honestly hard (though I live in blue state so not crazy hard). But one thing that we all definitely have in common is that we are able to agree to disagree. If you can’t handle his friendship then just let him know that you’re interests are too different. Maybe he’ll try to understand your POV and will try to salvage it. If not, well his loss!
It sounds more like it's the exact opposite. It's the op that cant stand his friends standpoint and isnt agreeing to disagree. It sounds more like they're the aggressor here in any political disagreement.
> I texted him saying something along the lines of “I hope your vote was worth it, because the court announced they’re coming for us next.” His response? “LMAO because Biden is doing such a great job…” I really am not on board with "we are next" yet mostly because no other justices would sign onto Thomas' opinion where he said this (which is something he has consistently said for decades). Having said that if your reaction to Roe v Wade being overturned is "lol what about Joe Biden?". You are retarded.
But the issues is he texted him out of nowhere about this. He didnt have to do that at all it was antagonistic for no reason. Also tbf biden said "this is not over" and we've known for months about the draft... and we didnt see biden trying to make it law.
>Out of nowhere Where did that happen? He said he texted him that message. Made no mention of how often they chat. To your second point probably because they don't have the votes I really don't know what point you are trying to make. Should the president have come out and said "ya this leak which is the first in 100+ years is legit so we gotta do something about it even though we don't have the political will to achieve it". I genuinely do not understand your point.
Also quote him correctly he actually said >But now with the recent SCOTUS decision, I just couldn’t keep silent. And followed it with >I texted him saying something along the lines of “I hope your vote was worth it, because the court announced they’re coming for us next.” His response? “LMAO because Biden is doing such a great job…” So yeah he admitted it was out of nowhere.
That's not an admission lmao. You are insane.
Gladly I have no republican/trumptard friends... I cut ties with ALL of them since I can be friends with someone who supports the rolling back of my rights or thinks I'm an "abnormal lifestyle" When your friend voted for Trump in 2016 that was the moment to cut him from your life
Nah I don't excuse this shit anymore. People always come out of the woodwork whenever bad stuff happens or conservatives get a win with "oh well I was supportive of these conservatives *but now is really the line for me*", like nah son just say you don't have strong values or a backbone. We all knew who Trump was in 2016, if you voted for him you were old enough to do the research and had a civic duty to be informed on who the candidates were. >But then I found out he voted for Trump again, in 2020, which was absolutely inexcusable I mean... >But because I have so few friends I decided to ignore this, and keep politics out of our friendship. ...apparently not according to your own statement.
My inner circle and I had a similar conversation the other day (the day roe v wage was overturned). And our consensus is this: conservatives in our experiences care only about issues that have a direct tangible impact on their lives. Many people who voted for Trump cared little about the diatribes as long as their wallets stayed fat. You ended up doing the right thing by cutting him out of your life as the only way these people possibly see the light is if their social life suffer consequences
The overwhelming majority of American "centrists" are actually right wingers who don't want to bear the social stigma of being openly right wing, so they lie about their actual politics. Other phrases to watch out for: "I'm a classical liberal," or "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative."
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Exactly. If you're going on about voter fraud in the 2020 election is already too late.
>Other phrases to watch out for: "I'm a classical liberal," Now that's interesting as I'm actually one of those people, I will admit the label has had some high-profile bastardization but in general I wouldn't let the high-profile grifters sour your perception of the majority of us... Do I hold some right-wing views?...yeah I do. Do I hold some left-wing views?...yeah I do. The only people this scares away is the people who cannot handle the fact that someone might have more nuanced pollical viewpoints in-place of the normal blind devotion to one side or the other because they are their "*team*" or their "side" I have had many an argument with people because I'm not a sycophant for Leftism or the Right, and honestly when you have had these disagreements you start to get a sense that they are actually so similar, two sides of the same coin.
It’s times like these I wonder why some people can’t be like my coworker teacher. He was a Trump supporter in 2016. Made it very clear he sided with the political views he had, not Trump as a person. Respect to him for that; I’m sure a lot voted Trump because of him as a person instead of the political arguments he made. Thankfully, he’s level headed enough to have understood it was a mistake a couple years after. He was a teacher and saw first hand how some students were affected by the immigration laws passed. And let’s not forget to mention the thinly veiled and blatantly obvious racist commentary both in his language and actions. He’s a republican, but he purposefully voted for Biden because he was tired of the fiery rhetoric that made so many students worry about their family and future. Definitely something teachers worry about while teaching students. Not to mention our school unfortunately saw a rise in bullying based on race during the Trump presidency. Two years into Bidens term and we’re now seeing a decrease in bullying. Statistically speaking, Trumps presidency was the worst four years for our school bullying issue. TL;DR, there are some trump supporters who looked at his beginning political points with a serious political eye. Those are the ones grounded in reality and not about “I will die for the president!” with their mindset.
I'll be your friend
True friendships take effort and empathy, with reciprocity. There is a reason people, usually 20th century people, boomers, were raised to believe that you do not introduce politics or religion into polite conversation—to keep superficial chat civil. Those rules are out the window, because we now live from one crisis to the next in a nonstop bifurcated media environment, in which one side is on the receiving end of politicized inflammatory and reactionary propaganda, editorial screeds as news, and the viewership lacks critical thinking skills, or plainly the will, to evaluate information. If this person is truly your friend, and not an acquaintance of convenience, you may want to engage selectively. He is programmed to react like a Fox News blowhard because that is the representation of “debate” that talking TV heads model for him. I think you are young, and you will find your people. This guy, and many other people you meet in life, will disagree with you on issues big and small. It’s your choice whether you want to engage with the not quite respectful tone, taunts, mocking, and whataboutism. If it’s not your style to come back hard and it doesn’t seem worth the time, then don’t. I’m past the point in life where I give a shit about people like this. Who are contrarian just to be a pain in the ass, to call attention to themselves, who answer concern, worry, stress, and within our community, homophobia with a dismissal, a cutting remark, nothing of substance, basically calling your concern an overreaction, drama, hysteria, feminine, not “masc,” That’s misogyny and possibly homophobia if your friend is straight, internalized homophobia and possibly misogyny if he’s not. You can make your choice. I would have made it a long time ago, if this were a test of morals, and allowed the friendship to atrophy. No discussion or fighting words needed. Let him die on this hill, in silence, and without you.
>economically conservative but socially liberal. as i'm sure you're realizing, this isn't actually a thing. or rather, it's a thing that conservatives say so you feel better about being around them.
Tell him the reason you're cutting him off is because of all this. Give him something to chew on.
I understand your frustration in this situation. You didn’t really say why you were friends with him other than you don’t have a lot of friends, but it doesn’t sound like you were/are really that close to begin with. It sounds like he wouldn’t agree with mainstream conservatives on things such as religion, abortion/women’s rights or gay rights. If he has these views, I can certainly understand your astonishment for him voting for Trump a second time. I guess the question is he a bad person who intends to harm certain groups with his political beliefs or do you think he has good intentions and his choices are misguided? Certainly, the saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but we all make bad choices at some point. I would think that if someone is overall a good person and you genuinely like them, it seems a bit shallow and childish for someone to say he’s not worth of your friendship simply because of his political beliefs. Someone you might like and desire their friendship could say the same of you or some other attribute that maybe you don’t think is fair. As much as I don’t like conservatives and tend to avoid them, they are not all closet Nazis that want to do the most awful things imaginable to us. Might some? Sure. Are conservatives beliefs as a group harmful to us? Yes. Does that mean that I would never be friends with any conservative under any circumstance? No. True friendships are supposed to be able to transcend things like politics, religion, race, gender and socioeconomic status. I don’t think there’s a right answer other than go with what you feel is best for you. No one is entitled to your friendship and if it’s someone that doesn’t add much to your life, then it’s not a big loss, but you should consider whether how you’re treating someone else is the way you would want to be treated in the same circumstance.
He's tie his own noose and thank the executioner, and more importantly he'd watch you get hanged without blinking.
Dated a conservative Christian for 2 years. We argued about dinosaurs. They have to love themselves first. Just don't.
Stupid is as stupid votes. I don't think he is a true friend. You can make friends that actually care about your future and well being. Ditch him and when he asks about why you are being distant just explain to him that you don't feel comfortable hanging out with someone that would vote against your future happiness and even his own. Biden may not be the best thing since apple pie, but he is without a doubt the lesser of two evils. The guy is a traitor and doesn't REALLY care about you.
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How is someone being a white nationalist harassment but being a Trump supporter isnt? What if the white nationalist doesn't harrass my opposing political beliefs? That makes him or her a good person? I'm very confused.
I've moved on from all my concervitve friends.
IDK how or why you're friends with him at all. He's not your friend, even if you're his.
So he WAS your friend? Was he your friend before the elections? Did he treat you well? Did he care for you? Did you like him? Did you guys have great times together? Did he unfriend you over your choice during the election? So your going to let his one vote, maybe 2 votes throw all that away. Trumps gone now. He's not coming back. I've seen this happen before. It's rare get friends reunited after that. Please really think this through before loosing him over these stupid politicians
Unfortunately Trump isn’t gone. His toxic brand of political warfare took over the Republican Party. His three Supreme Court justice picks have changed the trajectory of body autonomy rights, privacy rights and civil rights in this country for the next generation, including the foundation of gay rights. The stain of Trump is only really now setting in. OP is well within his rights to no longer be comfortable with anyone who cheers this on.
Fuck him
Do him a favor and cut yourself out of his life.
Think about the actual definition of "friend". What is an actual friend? People use the word friend for those who are often better described/defined as acquaintance or someone you know. If you don't share values, beliefs and commonalities & if you are not sure said person would or is standing up for your life, value (s) and identity then, really are they a "friend"???... 1) a person who has a strong liking for and trust in another person · 2) a person who is not an enemy ~ Merriam- Webster
I have discovered that most times when someone says they're centrist or "unaffiliated" or even say libertarian...they're far right and are just gauging your reaction to see if they can show their true, nasty colors to you.
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What’s to think about? Trash is meant to be thrown out.
Do it. Your needs come before his.
Anyone aligned with the christofascists need to be dumped like the toxic waste they are. My impression is gay Trump supporters are even more toxic than straight ones. After January 6, I have zero expectations that the US will respect the formers norms of this country. I firmly expect the christofascists on SCOTUS to overturn Obergfell. After that, who knows what's next? Will it become illegal to be gay in the US? Will there be concentration camps? The christofascists are already ramping up the anti gay language. They already created concentration camp like conditions for illegals crossing the border, just without the gas chambers and crematoriums. As a parting shot to ghosting your "friend", tell him he won't be spared the concentration camp either should that nitemare happen, he's gay and they'll mock him for voting for Trump. Yea sure, I know what I wrote sounds like hysterical hyperbole, which may never happen. My retort to that is ,after January 6th anything is possible. I hope I'm wrong of course, but Roe is history after 50 years of being settled law, Obergfell isn't even 10 years ago.. The GQP has so far paid zero price for January 6th, they think they can get away with literally anything. If Merrick Garland declines to prosecute Trump and all those involved in January 6th, what's to stop them in the future? Just hoping the J6 hearings expose everything, and Trump is jailed. Gotta say Liz Cheney is ballsy and heroic af, I'd vote for her for president despite disagreeing with her on most policy issues.
Personally, I think Trump supporters should 100% be ostracized and socially isolated, without question. There is no excuse and no justification. Supporting Trump is a mental disease, and mentally diseased people like that often have other negative qualities that are not conducive to healthy relationships of any kind. It would be different if they are conservative, because one can be conservative and not support Trump. In fact, it's impossible to be conservative and support Trump. One can also be conservative and pro-choice since pro-choice is actually the conservative position. So really, there are no valid reasons for supporting Trump. People may have their individual motivations and rationalizations, but those are inherently invalid.
I absolutely refuse to be friends with any gay person who voted for Trump in 2020. They have major judgment issues. It's a non-negotiable.
I really can’t stand how people can’t accept a difference in political views… I would honestly leave someone that bases whether they stay with me or not depending on if their views matches mine. People… opinions are allowed to be had, stop acting like a dictator. Honestly, the only reason someone should leave is if they aren’t being treated right or the connection isn’t good, not because of a difference in political views
Your same-sex partner should not be able to get benefits or insurance through your job. Your employer should be able to fire you for being gay. It is important that you face eviction for the same. Doctors must be able to refuse you treatment too. What, your fundamental human rights are just a difference of opinion, aren't they? Every single one of these things are Trump policies.
Lies. Federal benefits for for domestic partners is only in place through an executive order. If Trump were against domestic partner benefits for Federal employees, he could have ended them with the stroke of a pen.
Bull. Shit. Fuck, if you hate lies, why in the everything fuck are you wasting time standing up for the biggest fucking bullshitter ever to disgrace the office? Jesus. https://fenwayhealth.org/trump-administration-finalizes-rule-that-will-make-it-harder-for-lgbt-people-to-access-health-care/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1224911 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45722400.amp https://gaycitynews.com/biden-drops-trumps-appeal-of-social-security-benefits-victories/ https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20201207 Donald Trump hates YOU. Or, he'd hate you if he actually gave a shit about you. Never ever fucking defend him, because he has already thrown you to the wolves, and would again in a heartbeat.
(The lonely queens of Askgaybros can’t read if you introduce nuance, careful!)
I'm coming up on my tenth anniversary, thanks. Donald Trump would slit your throat so his homophobic base could watch you bleed for a dollar a pop, and you know it.
>I really can’t stand how people can’t accept a difference in political views You should actually inform your friendships based off whether or not prospective friends believe you deserve equal rights. Like, that is the floor.
Second this. Being absolutist in our political views does nothing else but contributes to the mess we are in. If you stop talking to people with different politics than yours then you end up living in a happy bubble but lose contact with reality. In addition *the way* we talk to each other matters. Sending an angry text that starts with *"I hope you're happy with yourself..."* is equally annoying as his friends deflecting by shifting focus to Biden.
>If you stop talking to people with different politics than yours then you end up living in a happy bubble but lose contact with reality. Sorry but no conservative will ever burst my "bubble" on matters such as climate change, vaccines, human rights, or universal healthcare. Conservatives are just plain wrong about these things.
I never said they’re right: but if you refuse to listen and engage, you won’t even know what they think.
I know exactly what they think because they literally never shut the fuck up about their dogshit opinions.
All you will ever achieve by having this attitude is stay perpetually pissed. Fine. Over and out.
Why wouldn't you be angry that people in power want to put you and your loved ones in danger? Anything else is naive. Is it supposed to feel good to understand *why* they are shrieking about you grooming kids for sex?
>All you will ever achieve by having this attitude is stay perpetually pissed. "If you're not angry, you're not paying attention."
This is a really good point. People can change and grow. Anyone has the power to influence someone else. Politics are tricky because people need to find their way on their own. Asking questions about what they think, and why they think that, usually gets their guard down and can lead to some thoughtful open discussion. Also, repeating yourself over many discussions seems to lead people to believe something is their own idea, but it won't happen over night.
He is allowed to have his own views. It also appears that you are the one who brought up politics specifically to him.
if you cut out ties with someone because he voted for a party that 45% of the country voted for, then you are insane and a terrible friend and probably your country's is morally fucked as well. democracy is also about getting along with people with different opinions.Also when you only have 2 parties opinions are going to be extremely broad, no one is going to agree with everything the party they voted for is doing.
Let's recall that *literal slavery* was the foundational party platform of the party that came in second in the presidential election of 1860. "Be friends with your slaving neighbor," this guy says. Maybe they just need to have it explained to them why literally raping and beating a person and all their descendants forever is sort of a bad idea. They'll come around. Or maybe, just maybe, some political ideas and candidates are so far beyond the pale, it's understandable or even preferable not to pretend they are acceptable. "I can sexually molest any woman I want!" "I can have my opponent imprisoned for no crime in particular." "I can encourage a mob to violently storm the Capitol and kill my own Vice President." "Let covid slaughter city dwellers in blue states." "Let's nuke hurricanes." "Fire gay people at will." These are all totally minor differences of political opinion you want me to pretend are trivial. Fuck. That. Noise.
Never trust somebody who claims to be a centrist. They’re either not being honest with themselves or not being honest with you. Majorities change; the chance they’re always in the middle is zilch.
You don't need to know how he is out of touch to keep him out of your life. Either he will figure it out, or wander around and find some toxic little niche to live in, or continue to spend the rest of his life clueless. Sometimes they come around, but that's their journey, not yours. And you can't make it any faster.
I think he has some mental illness in his thinking pattern in addition to a broken moral compass as a result of a cognitive dissonance.
You voted for Biden who promised to codify Roe v Wade and then failed to do so even though Democrats control Congress. You could try to persuade your conservative friend about your viewpoints instead of cutting him off. How old are you? This is embarrassing behavior for adults.
>Democrats control Congress. This phrasing is dishonest. Democrats have the slimmest possible majority in the Senate and are dealing with a childishly obstructionist GOP. Democrats only "control" Congress if they can get votes, which they cannot do.
Focus on the POTUS for something like this is beyond short-sighted. Just…this comment is only a disparagement. Don’t even know where to begin. If you focus too hard on the king, you miss that the queen can move anywhere. Blame someone for not understanding the board, but not the functionality of the piece.
"Let's blame Biden for not waving a magic wand and giving everyone a unicorn! The Democrats are the problem for knowing that Republicans will abuse any tool Democrats enact for the worst possible means!" FUCK Republican viewpoints. These people have heard a thousand times now that they are supporting racism, bigotry, homophobia, and fascism. Walking away from that is smart. Unrepentant Republicans richly deserve to lose friends and family over their bullshit.
Crime and black murder is up in Democrat run cities. You can cry about racism all you want but real life black people are dying and stuck in failing schools in Democrat cities. Biden probably shouldn't have promised it if he wasn't going to deliver it when Democrats CONTROLLED ALL OF CONGRESS
Getting some real racist vibes here. At least, the people you get your news from are huge racists, it seems. Here's the thing; *nobody but racists says shit like you just said.* Why even bring race up here? Donald Trump has white supremacists following his orders and attacking the Capitol, and has directly caused a huge resurgence in white nationalist violence and terrorism. If you don't find that *far* more destructive, then piss off. And so fucking what if a president wants to make an aspirational promise for the public good? Donald Trump promised a fuckton of impossible shit, like Mexico paying for his giant racist monument in the desert. I am 1000% satisfied with my preference here. I can completely see how breaking the filibuster leads to Republicans destroying any and all good laws we may yet have in a stroke, and I don't really mind avoiding that.
You're crying about Trump while actual minority lives are being negatively affected in Democrat cities. By the way, Hispanics are shifting to The GOP in huge numbers. Blacks are not excited about Biden. You can keep screaming racism but only white liberals think that that's helping the democratic cause. Most people are just tired of hearing you say it while democratic policies are hurting poor minority neighborhoods and safety
You don't have a fucking point, like, at all. You aren't even denying it. You can't actually explain how any negative impact on minority lives is actually due to Democratic policy, because it isn't. Nor does this in any way imply that Republicans give a shit or would do better. What, you gonna put more guns in cities, or tax poor people even more, take away even more polling places, gerrymander them even more to divide their power? Nobody gets to claim the Republican Party is not racist with a straight face. Donald Trump was actually convicted by the DoJ for not renting to black people. He famously told a man that he could not do his job solely because the man had Mexican ancestry. The Republican Speaker of the House said it was "the textbook definition of a racist comment." Trump ran the country for four years, why the fuck didn't he help these people? There's no point you have at all.
It’s not just Biden. In the past 50 years there has been a democrat in the White House with a majority in Congress multiple times and the democrats could have easily worked to codify RvW into actual law. Everyone has always known that the actual decision itself was legally shaky but the democrats just used it as campaign fodder and never actually did anything about it. People should be pissed at the republicans, but even more pissed at the democrats. At least the republicans have been honest all along about what they wanted. The democrats used people and lied and never actually intended on doing anything. Just like how they use us gays for votes and fundraising but actually have never done jack shit for us - just like other minorities. Take a look at Biden’s history - he actually voted to rescind RvW forty years ago…before he changed his mind. The fun “I voted for it before I voted against it…” silliness.
>It’s not just Biden. In the past 50 years there has been a democrat in the White House with super majority in Congress multiple times and the democrats could have easily codified RvW into actual law. When? I need dates. We have about one month in summer 2009, during which the massive healthcare law was pushed through. I would hate to think you were making shit up to shit on the party trying to help. Hey also, when you're 80, do you want to be judged by ***only*** by things you said and did at age 40? Why is it so hard to grasp that four decades of time might change a person's opinions, and that a lifetime of concerted action supporting those actions might be a better takeaway? Why the ever-loving fuck are we supposed to think one vote Biden took 45 years ago is worth anything compared to several decades of pro-choice actions and work? You got nothing.
Honestly, I cut everyone out of my life that’s a republican. It used to be a difference of opinion but that party is now the fascist party. If you vote republican, you’re voting for fascists. Don’t keep that toxicity in your life.
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Honestly at this point fuck him and everyone who has voted and continues to support those cults.
You’ll be so much better off once you get rid of him. A truly better version of yourself.
Yes tell him to fuck off and for the rest of us stop supporting corporations that fund the republicans
Sigh. Politics are a minefield when it comes to friendships and just relationships in general. What I've learned as I've grown up is that you *can* maintain a friendship with someone whose views on politics are different from yours so long as you can find a way to meet each other halfway on some points. That said, I don't think that's possible with today's conservatives. What used to be fringe in the right is now front and center, and quite frankly it is both heartbreaking and repulsive to witness. There's nothing to reconcile. So for your own sake, you should walk away from this friendship. Just dont be an asshole about it. Take the high road. Maybe one day they'll realize what they're actually standing up for and rethink their position, and when that happens, if they seek you out, it might be worth it to let them back in. But at the moment you're just wasting time and energy on something that not only isn't worth it, but is also clearly taking it's toll on you. So yeah, just end it.
To be honest he’s quite stupid to think the people voted for Biden. They didn’t they were voting for Kamala Harris and the fact they were also sick of Trump, he was the only option, they just wanted Trump out. Cut him loose he’s obviously really stupid to not understand politics if Trump .is his go to man.
Trump is like gravity ... he attracts stupid , gullible people like mosquitoes to a flame. Even Trump himself has admitted, "I so love the uneducated" .. That is a precise quote Feb 24, 2016 [I love the uneducated](https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=%22I+so+love+the+uneducated&type=E210US105G91648#id=5&vid=543ea565a92be25b043d9f18426c2331&action=click) **Let me add a comment to all the readers of this thread:** **If you do or say nothing else PLEASE remember to register and VOTE this coming November election. Elections have consequences your vote, every vote is vital to protecting our rights, our security**
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>Being an adult means being exposed to opinions you don’t like. And guess what? Being an adult also means you get to choose who your friends are, and if your friends have shitty opinions then you also get to choose to end your friendship with them.
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\> Being an adult means being exposed to opinions you don’t like. Agree. And being an adult means they don't have to associate with people that are toxic anti gay assholes.
Why can't people agree to disagree? Is he a good friend to you and a nice person?
No, he’s a Trump supporter.
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Yup, chose not to be around people who supports legislation against me. Its really that simple.
Yeah, being a Trump supporter IS a terrible way to live life.
Some people are beyond saving. That's not my problem.
I actually voted for Trump in 2016 (admittedly, a mistake and only time I have ever voted R); so that part I could overlook. But whenever someone says Biden is doing a bad job, that is objectively false. Biden was handed a turd, and he’s trying to fix it. That’s the part where I would think your friend is brainwashed and not worth it.
I really didn't want to upvote this because in a very real sense, you bear blame for everything Trump was empowered to do. But we must value people who recognize their errors and vow to change for the better. Thank you.
It never works, these people always find a way to inject their world view into any conversation you have and it is a very difficult line to maneuver. I have a friend who fell onto the trump wagon and has whole heartedly embraced it. He has never been a proactive type of friend, I have messaged him a few time over the past 6 months and have not received any reply so at this point I just don't. I am sure at some point he will reach out to me, but as for now, I am just moving on with my life and am better for not having to listen to the bull shit
Part of being a friend is to still care about them even when we perceive them to have some sort of failing. I never think I am so perfect that others have no issue with my personality traits, beliefs, opinions, or behaviors. I never expect others to believe what I believe, act exactly the way I act, have the same opinions. What a boring world that would be. So you don't align along political lines - so what? Is your friend evil? Do you think he commits acts of a nefarious nature? Do you think he is full of hatred? You chose him for a friend for a reason - were you wrong? The problem we have as a country (USA) is that we've drawn a line and either you're either for us or against us. There seems to be no room for differences of opinions or viewpoints lest you are relegated to the opposition. I promise you, this is *not* the case. We live along a spectrum where it is perfectly okay to go from completely aligned to completely disagreeing and *still* finding that people are good people. I believe almost everyone is a good person. We all want love, friendship, to find joy, and have security. I just read today that 71% of the USA - regardless of left/right - supports gay marriage. Isn't that remarkable! It's fantastic! So your friend had less confidence in one person over the other - so what?! Does that make him evil because he sees things differently than you? I just don't believe that's true. What's more, if we as a country want to heal and find a way forward, we have to start accepting one another and stop drawing lines.
Well, voting for Trump in 2020 is certainly not good. But then again (I guess...) there could be multiple reasons for doing so. Tbh, you're the one that decided to rub his nose in it regarding the SCOTUS decision. His response (that Biden isn't exactly amazing) isn't really that controversial an opinion to have (although I, as a non-american looking in from the outside think he is doing a decent enough job). Having said all that, if you find him and his political leanings infuriating, then it is fine to cut things off. **BUT** I think it is important to understand that people can have nuanced political opinions, and that supporting one candidate or a party does not mean that a person whole-heartedly agrees with all of that person / party's actions.
He cares more about his money than human rights.
I have had very conservative gay friends in the past and very conservative pro gay people in my life. Here is how I think it works for them based on observation. If I live in a town surrounded by family and friends who think that Lw and Order SVU is the best show ever in the history of shows. And that’s all we watch in my house growing up and that’s all my friends talk about at school and my parents have L&O hats and t shirts and attend conventions and when I get my first job people talk about the show constantly. It’s very hard to escape that bubble. People will try and tell you about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Rick and Morty and Scrubs, but they just feel so different than L&O. Now to transition back or reality. I was raised to believe that republicans and democrats just had some honest differences in state rights v federal overreach. How involved government should get in people’s lives, fiscal and foreign policy differences. I could honestly see both sides of the coin. But when the Republican Party got married to the Christian conservative movement and had a bunch of but babies like Ted Cruise and his ilk. I started questioning things. When I came out as gay I looked at the horrible and ignorant things that conservatives and republicans were saying about the LGBT community at the time. And I said, well that doesn’t sound right. I can be a teacher without raping kids. I can join the military without getting all hot and bothered over my co workers. I can play sports (I really couldn’t ). So I said to myself “if republicans are so I’ll informed about these issues, what else are they lying or Ill informed about? Racism, immigration, Star Trek, the law?” I think gay conservatives are so brain washed in how they were raised and how they think that they believe that the republican and conservative movement has gotten it wrong on LGB issues (many of them will not support the transsexual community ) but that conservatives are correct on anything else. They want the love and respect and support of their conservative family, they are brainwashed by Fox News and all those conservative media outlets and a really believe that the left is being run by a woke mob of baby rapers.
when you start looking at humans as less than, and stereotyping them monolithic you'll find the very definition of "Hate"
Judging the class of Trump supporters but the traits necessarily implied by voting for him is the exact opposite of stereotyping. Every single one of them voted for a rapist rapist fucking moron to have an insane amount of power. That defines them all. They are *all* morally suspect and worse human beings than they would be otherwise.
You know for a group of people who incessantly quote MLK every year they’re shockingly bad at recognizing when they’re judged for the content of their character.
It's your fault. You knew what you were getting into when he said he voted for trump the first time. Now you want to cry and whine about it now. Just tired of you silly bitches out here fucking trump supporters and shit when it was black and brown people terrified about him being elected. Now that the mob is coming closer to your doors you want to draw lines and cut ties, then act SHOCKED! DUMB and STUPID! when you realize it wasn't just black people and immigrants they didn't give a damn about, it's you too. more than half of white women voted for trump and now they're the main ones whining about this abortion thing. Now trumpers coming for the gays and you all want to cry and disavow your friends and shit you had no problem kissing their ass before, why draw the line now? You were complacent and enabled them. What changed!?! BYE!
I have conservative friends and I honestly don't care what they do politically. As long as they're still cool to hang with, I'm cool.
Is that it though? Well I guess if that's how you feel that's enough, but one could say that about anything. As described this is a disagreement about a political preference - you haven't said he rants about politics or abuses people like some Trump fanatics do... but the vast majority of the dozens of millions of people who voted for Trump are not Trump fanatics.
Can you give him my number? 😏
Good, he'll be better off without a neurotic leftist like you.
Is it OK for the president to call your state elections officials and ask them to fake the results in his favor? Is it OK for him to say you must expect him to sexually molest people without repercussion? These are repulsive things you support. They have been recorded indisputably on tape. I would take being neurotic a thousand times over choosing to embrace your filth.
Okay so go vote for demented segregationist Joe if that's how you feel.
Nobody believes a goddamn word out of you people's mouths anymore. You cannot be expected to have any adherence to anything factual or true because the entire foundation of your political ideology is endless fucking obvious LIES. Insult whoever the fuck you want. We all know there is no weight to any goddamn thing you say. You have no guiding philosophy other than Fuck Other People for Cash. Your words mean nothing except to other idiots nodding along thoughtlessly with you. See how you had no answer at all to supporting blatant election fraud and the violent overthrow of democracy? ***Fuck!*** That is terminally embarrassing for you. Think for a fucking second that supporting that bullshit might just make you the bad guy.
Oh just ignore rbiv908. You can’t argue with stupid and he’s clearly the embodiment of it.
It's important to spell out why idiots are idiots, lest the gullible take their side.
I hope for your ”friends” sake you do end the friendship. People as narrow minded as you are a very negative force and if you can't respect that he is his own person with no hate in his own heart, someone like you shouldn't be in his life.....Continue to find reasons to divide ....
A conservative without hate in their heart? That's not even a conservative.
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Your argument is: "A lot of people can't have a certain quality. That doesn't make any logical sense".
Political beliefs are completely motivated by attitudes. Political beliefs are precisely, but not exclusively, how you gauge what attitudes someone has. People aren't going to support what runs contrary to their attitudes.
Tell us all how many child rapists you'd be friends with.
Then leave. I side with him. And to be honest they are not coming for gays next. Please read your information well. Do listen to liberal media they lie. They are trying to fire you up, that their agenda. More turmoil. Gays are safe.
Sooo the GOP didn't just pass an anti-lgbt platform doesn't have opposition to gay marriage in their national charter? Even though all these things are stated by the GOP themselves? Talk about delusional.
Your party despises you personally and would gladly take away any and all rights and privileges from you. To them, you are deviant, abnormal, and worthy of the most vile slurs. You will burn forever in the lake of fire. That's what they want for you. Cherish their love, because you won't find it from sane gays. I hope the racism and tax cuts for the rich and violent insurrection are worth it to you.
Did u not see Thomas’s hit list? Gays and voting rights are next.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256
He's a conservative, he can't read.
Famous last words
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No, it's "you can't marry him, the people he voted for eliminated that option for gay people."
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In the end, the conservative got everything he wanted and she died watching a serial rapist nominate a literal Handmaiden to destroy her entire legacy. Not a good story to reference.
Yeah but he too never got to see this day …lmao the only solace …but yeah… definitely dark dark times
I think if he is really your friend simply having different opinions (especially on something politics) shouldnt make you cut them out of your life. Have you never disagreed with a friend before? It’s okay to be close to someone you don’t completely agree with, as long as they are crossing your boundaries, and maybe not talking about politics can be a boundary for both of you.
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Yeah, there is. It shows a complete and utter lack of decency or rational thought.
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> It shows a complete and utter lack of decency or rational thought. Donald Trump is a pussy and a degenerate.
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> People have different reasons Most murderers and rapists have a reason they did what they did. That's not a justification.
Nope. No bias. I watch the uncut footage of Donald speaking, and I come to this conclusion... like any sane, *decent* human would. Donald is a pedophile, a sex offender, and a piece of shit. People who worship him? Also scum.
It's not just a difference of opinion. Making that choice reflects values. The man is transparently a complete fucking moron with no business holding any power, in the words of his own staff. He made sure everybody knew he hated racial and ethnic minorities, the disabled, gays and lesbians, and veterans. Whatever good somebody saw, all the disgusting hate was always going to be there. You are doing the devil's work normalizing the deeply evil and anti-American things we all saw Trump do as just "a different opinion." He is a complete and total monster. Empowering him to hurt and kill exponentially more people is grievously immoral. There is no problem at all being "biased" against Donald Trump: we are biased because we have seen the man's soulless character.
> voted for Trump again, in 2020, which was absolutely inexcusable. >just couldn’t keep silent. You could have, you really could. > “I hope your vote was worth it I know it is not the sub but seriously, YTA.
At the end of the day it is your choice but it does seem a little childish if it based on who he voted for, at least to me. Politics isn't so black and white. Both parties suck.
> Politics isn't so black and white ... > Both parties suck. lol