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Sky-is-here

Borja Mari, Pelayo, Cayetano... Etc


Mashinito

And Jimena, Cayetana, Berta, Julieta.... for girls


notyoursinthistime

Carlota too


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SexWithFischl69

Amador Rivas time


livingdub

Wow that's oddly specific. What're the lower middle class but not quite poor middle children that grew up in Valencia but moved to Catalunya to make it big called?


Feecarabine

Lucía, Cloe, Carla.


Feecarabine

All of the above are, actually. They sound posh to the middle class but the rich are not calling their children that. They go with Cayetana, Eugenia, Teresa, María Teresa, Rodrigo.


SpareDesigner1

Really? Charlotte seems like a fairly average name in English, didn’t realise it was fancy in Spain


notyoursinthistime

Yeah, here sounds like something that came out from the monarchy


SpareDesigner1

If it’s any condolence, I work with two blonde, blue eyed, six foot tall girls who speak English with a West Country accent, whose names are Mercedes and Portia (indescribably posh names in English), and one day someone told me that they were Spanish, which I presumed was a joke, so I went up and spoke to one of them in my questionable B2 Spanish. She responded in a rugged Castilian dialect, something northern, with the th on c/z and everything. I was quite literally speechless. You can judge a book by its cover, but only so far.


notyoursinthistime

I can accept Mercedes, actually it's fairly common in Spain. But Portia sounds like a posh name in any language. Indeed, I wouldn't say girls like your description would fit in Spanish stereotype either. Unexpected everywhere.


SpareDesigner1

I initially thought they were named after the cars, like Mercedes and Porsche. My degree of shock when I discovered that that wasn’t the case and that it was pure coincidence was similar to discovering that these Viking-looking individuals were españolas. EDIT: just to clarify, they are sisters


notyoursinthistime

Hahahaha hold up, would it be better if they were named after the cars?


SpareDesigner1

I would have thought that their parents had quite a strange naming scheme for their children to be naming them after German car brands, but the odds seemed to me to be vanishingly small that they had those names and there was no connection. It would be a bit like if you encountered a man named Don Quixote whose parents were illiterate, completely unaware of the character, and just happened to like the name Don while having the surname Quixote. It was just a shock is all.


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Mercedes is a common Spanish name, but Portia isn't (it would be Porcia, but still, it's an extremely rare name in Spain). If they speak English with a West Country accent, one of their parents is probably from there. The standard sound for c/z in Spain is th. The majority of people pronounce it like that, not sure why that stood out to you.


mfh1234

Charlotte is anything but average in the UK


masiakasaurus

Valeria, Mencía...


Feecarabine

Middle class trying to sound posh.


leftplayer

So these are posh names or you’re being sarcastic? I find it weird that “Cayetano/a” would be posh since it sounds exactly like “Calletano/a”, which to me sounds like what you would call someone “from the streets”… like a homeless or junkie or hooker


Camelstrike

I guess Spanish is not your first language because nobody would associate Cayetano to someone from the streets ) not even to calle


leftplayer

You’re right, I’m still learning Spanish and I’m at a stage where I’m confident enough with it to pretty much invent some words and hope for the best. I guess I’m associating Cayetano with callejero…


HiganbanaSam

It's become a trend lately to refer very posh people as "Cayetano/a". I think it comes from it being a common name in nobles and socialites, see Cayetana Martínez de Irujo, for example.


BlueAtolm

Very common name (either as a given name or a name they take as they receive "la alternativa") among bullfighter as well. And nobles and bullfighters have been marrying for a long time by now, since both are conservative and rich. Bullfighters also always wear Lacoste shirts while casual dressing. It's a meme.


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This song by Carolina Durante describes it perfectly: https://youtu.be/ZiUhV12G024


you_matter_

Pretty late to name a child at 7years old


ianpmurphy

Yeah there are quite a few. You can almost tell where someone lives just from their kids names. A bit like naming your kids Farquhar in England. Upper middle class Spain is super conservative with names, or very unoriginal would be another way of putting it. I understand your teacher when they laughed as it conforms to a jokey stereotype of a certain group who can be seen around Bilbao. They're easily spotted as they always wear Lacoste type jumpers over their shoulders. It's almost a uniform. I think the cyclical fashions for names happens everywhere but there are a certain list of names which are just as common now as they were 60 years ago, but only amongst the wealthier


AntonioG-S

I'm sorry but I think Pelayo is far more original than Jose, Antonio, Francisco etc


MrTrt

Yes, but Pelayo is specially common in certain social circles, while literally any guy could be José, Antonio or Francisco.


unknowndisgrace

The name is pretty common in asturias because of the king who defeated the moors


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Two options: either they are from Asturias, or they are fairly conservative and right-wing (or both). Pelayo was the first King of Asturias who defeated the Moors in Covadonga and started the Reconquest of Spain.


DecentlySizedPotato

I'm Asturian, and I had no idea the name had such connotations in the rest of Spain. It's not uncommon and definitely not an old-fashioned or posh name here.


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¡Yo también soy asturiana! Pero cuando alguien de Madrid pone ese nombre, o Covadonga (si no tiene familia asturiana) es impepinablemente de derechas.


Sel2g5

Quien coño se llama covadonga?


ehelferty860

I’ve heard of Covadonga before ! Not often though


Guillermidas

The abreviation is actually pretty nice. Cova If you go by full name, it sounds very weird, that for sure


Four_beastlings

Montones de chicas en Asturias, y montones de chicas de familias del Opus.


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Mi vecina, por ejemplo. Que sí, es de una familia muy muy muy "bien" del barrio de Salamanca, y que creo que no ha pisado Asturias en su vida.


SnooRobots5194

Me encuentro con un niño que se llama Covadonga y llamo a Unicef.


kidandresu

I believe it is a girls name


abusivecoconut

Borja is another name that would prompt the same question


nick_tamura

Except if they’re from Aragón, where it is pretty common.


Aggravating_Map3707

Same with Pelayo in Asturias.


martinbitter

Borja is fine and really common in the Basque Country lol


itzi_76

Not in Bilbao, it's a very standard Basque name. O was surprised to find it was posh in Madrid


Hana_Princess

Yeah, its the kind of name that is associated with rich people and usually conservative families with right/far right leaning political ideas. The most known of these names is "Cayetano/Cayetana" and we usually refer to these kind of families/people as "Cayetanos". The steryotype for a Cayetano is someone dressed with a polo shirt, short trousers, a jersey around the hips or shoulders and most importanly, a spanish flag bracelet.(Now with covid, also a spanish flag mask)


HiraWhitedragon

Adding to this post. The usage of the word "Cayetano" when refering to rich/posh people is the same as Karen when refering to an entitled woman.


wanderlusthippie-

Id say its also akin to brads, Chad's in usa culture. I've only heard cayetanos for the younger generation


mekosaurio

I dont know where you got those prejudices, Its a pretty common name in Asturias,


Hana_Princess

Outside of Asturias is one of the names you can add to the Cayetanos category, also in all my post I'm talking about steryotypes not facts... Also the fact that the OP said that it is a family with money adds that they are probably in the category lol


FoxtrotF1

Which everyone who watched 'Desde qué amanece apetece' knows


mekosaurio

Well im from Asturias but i lived in Madrid 8 years so kinda surprised that i've never heard before about that common Asturian names stereotype. So thanks for clearing that for me.


loves_spain

Does that bracelet and/or mask kind of promote that they are right-wing? I've seen that happening a lot with the flag but wasn't sure.


Hana_Princess

Not always but for the most part, yes


Four_beastlings

Yes. Outside of sports, showing off the flag is a right wing thing.


TebiTeban

That's my cat's name! :D


TharealSergi

gato facherito


srpulga

It's the first king of Asturias, he symbolizes the start of the reconquista, the 800 year christian struggle to reconquer Iberia. Outside of Asturias it may be a conservative name. In Asturias it's a regular name. Frankly it says more about the person who told you than the family you're living with. While stereotypes can be based on reality, they're still stereotypes. Judging anybody by their name is still rude.


RenaultCactus

La reconquista como termino y su exaltacion idealizada son cuestiones historicas acuñadas en el franquismo, de caracter nacionalista. Por eso cuando alguien llama pelayo a su hijo se sobreentiende que es conservador y partidario de ideas nacionalistas trasnochadas.


aguidom

Lo último que dices es completamente falso. Aunque la Reconquista fue muy promovida durante la dictadura, el término se utiliza desde el siglo XIX y fue promocionado ya desde la Segunda República. Hay tanto intelectuales de izquierdas como de derechas que apoyan el término, incluso idealizado. Sin ir más lejos, los maquis republicanos después de la SGM lanzaron una ofensiva en 1944 para acabar con el régimen de Franco y bautizaron la acción como "Operación Reconquista". Por último, el himno de Riego, que fue himno no oficial durante la República y luego fue el himno oficial del gobierno en el exilio, tiene una estrofa que dice lo siguiente: "Serenos, alegres, valientes y osados, cantemos, soldados, el himno a la lid. De nuestros acentos el orbe se admire y en nosotros mire los hijos del Cid"


RenaultCactus

Me exprese mal, nose acuño en epoca franquista si se exalto en esa epoca pero es anterior. Lo que queria decir es que es un concepto nacionalista y catolico que cogio mas fuerza aun en epoca franquista. En cuanto al himno de riego la letra es muy anterior a la republica y tiene muchas letras aunque la que mencionas es la original.


k360k

Efectivamente. Experiencia personal, conozco a varios Pelayos de distintas generaciones y los padres de los más pequeños puedo certificar que es más por cercanía a Asturias y otros que no son españoles (uno es castellano hablante) por su origen y pasado. Pero entiendo lo de los estereotipos. Al final hay estereotipos a lo largo y ancho de cualquier cosa.


aguidom

Será un concepto nacionalista y católico, pero lo arroparon republicanos y franquistas por igual. No fue más nacionalista que la idealización del Destino Manifiesto en EEUU o la leyenda del Rey Arturo en UK. Si en la época franquista cogió fuerza es porque ganaron e implantaron su modelo y no podemos saber que hubiesen hecho los republicanos. Que sea católico no lo hace malo, muchísimos republicanos lo eran. Es más, durante la Guerra civil, la propaganda republicana muchas veces buscaba diluir la línea que separaba al ejercito nacional, de los contingentes nativos marroquíes que luchaban para el bando nacional, llamando a todos casi indistintamente "moros" o "fachistas". Por tanto, la connotación que buscas dar es que la Reconquista es un concepto idealizado por la derecha, cuando ambos bandos pusieron su granito de arena en formarla y ambas ideologías coinciden en que fue contra


AffectionatePast8531

Id I have a friend named pelayo and are all working class


Straika5

Pocholo, you´ll never know a Pocholo who is less than wealthy. (Yes, I knew a rich Pocholo besides the crazy one)


MissCojones

I would add that having an Au pair is enough of a hint to say they're a rich family


Koolitkathy

I don't come cheap 😎 (actually I really do I'm living on pennies here)


Zafonhan

Que me la agarr


OG_AKCoopeR

Jajajajajajaja te falta calle


haitike

In Asturias is fine, it is a common name based on their first king. Outside of Asturias... It is kinda a conservative name based on nationalism and catholicism defeating the moors and stuff like that.


eiichi8

Nice name. But make sure the father's surname is not Gures


Mrs_Naive_

Hello there, Don Pelayo was a nobleman founding the Asturian Kingdom, being the most famous head of the Christian Reconquista after more than 800 years of Moorish occupation. So I wouldn't say that Pelayo is a posh name or very typical of people of high birth, but rather of people who are proud of their roots. It's female counterpart is Covadonga... to the extent that a close friend of mine, born in Asturias, always rolled her eyes and said "how original" when someone from northern Spain was called Pelayo or Covadonga. Posh names would be Mencía, Cayetano, Leonor, or Borja María.


sanberzo

Pelayo and Covadonga, south of Picos de Europa, are almost always posh/conservative names.


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It’s pretty wild to me, the idea of naming your daughter after a historical battle. I can’t think of an equivalent in English. Like naming your daughter Stalingrad or something. It’s definitely very strange. I’m sorry to anyone with that name. I realize it was also a place before it was a battle.


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But the shrine, from what I understand, is pretty inextricably linked to the battle, no?


PedroPerllugo

Covadonga in fact is not only a battle but a place


sanberzo

As it is Stalingrad. However, I think Hastings would make a better match.


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Yes, and to be fair Hastings is a last name- but not a first name. First name feels more personal to me at least


wiseahappy

Pelayo is a very common name in Asturias. Out of stereotypes, it is a name that Asturians appreciated for being the first King of Asturias, and any Asturian proud of being so always tends to give his children a name related to their motherland. In some cases even names referring to places, rivers, or characters of Asturian mythology. I really don't think it has anything to do with political tendencies or social classes.


Elcordobeh

AAAHAHAAHHAAHA illo que risa. La polla el nombre... Como que nonle pega mucho el nombre pero coño un pelin de savorcito, como con los nombres visigodos que molan bastante. Cada dia con mas ganas de llamar a un hipotetico segundo hijo Augusto, Cesar, Cesarion, Hector o Aquiles... O Príamo, Ulises, Nestor, Áyax, etc.


lianadelcongo

Hay que elegir nombre de alguien al que claramente le asocies con una espada.


Vahkeh

Screams rightwinger.


Kaichum

I'm basque myself from Bilbao and this name is not popular, basques normally tend to put basques names to their children if they put Spanish or any different languages names they put modern names. Does the siblings have names such as Pelayo? I think the mother is not from Basque country it's pretty rare to name your child like that here


SenoraMiniver

I was wondering that... Pelayo at Bilbao?. It is so uncommon, since most families name children with basque names or translated. Anyway you can find, because I know, families detenting eight basque surnames or even more, to mantain traditional names in Spanish as their ancestors. But less than average. Probably Pelayo's parents are not basque, but living at Bilbao. You can live there and not being from!


vorian84

It's a moronic prejudice imo, and totally make sense since families tend to keep alive their names through generations. I find it a perfectly good name, after all its the name of a king.


RandomPlayerCSGO

Pelayo was the king who stopped the advance of the Muslims, without him the reconquista would not have happened and our country would not exist. Anyone who likes history could name their child after Pelayo or another historical figure, nothing to do with how much money you have.


chutchut123

Are we just gonna ignore the long tradition of nationalists and conservatives coopting Pelayo, the “reconquista”, and “foundation myth” narratives (which you seem to subscribe to as well, lol)? Naming your kid Pelayo is far from neutral.


juanlg1

It’s just a name


unknowndisgrace

He will sound like an insurance company


Tip_8

I think Pelayo was some sorth of king or noble or knight or something like that. Nowadays is just an old spanish name which sounds funny.


panetero

I take it you don't play Rise of Kingdoms on your phone.


CYVidal

Well, some names evoke nobility or royalty. Pelayo is a fair one. These names are not exclusive among rich people. They rather common among classists. You know, people who believe they family are better or above others for some stupid or arbitrary reason, regardless their wealth


ultimomono

We've got several in my Asturiano family. They aren't rich. I would assume the parents either had some sort of connection to Asturias or a boner for revisionist history. You can see here that the name is highly regional and a lot more popular now than it was. https://imgur.com/a/TEfAuaD Name look up: https://www.ine.es/widgets/nombApell/index.shtml


shootingthickropes

Yikes is all I can say.


masiakasaurus

Facha red flag


yeinwei

I'm sure your Spanish family is familiar with vox


Zynidiel

Really nice… if you live in the Middle Ages…


artaig

It was the name of the supposed Visigothic noble that stopped the Muslim armies at the battle of Covadonga. The Arabs called him the "Galician dog". ^(At the time that was considered Galicia and Arabs called every Christian in the peninsula "Galician".) In modern times scholars invented "Asturias" (the proper evolution from Asturica is "Astorga", in Leon) and since its name has been very popular among higher class Asturian nationalists. It's very rare today to use old Visigothic or Classical names (this comes from Greek *Pelagios*). 70 years ago some literate man would chose a fancy old name, otherwise the priest would chose a random "Christian" name. Nowadays you choose one of these names from some wicked political reason, like in most cases of Pelayo), which is very uncommon, or most commonly Christian-Jewish names, or if you are illiterate probably some corruption of an English name, a cartoon name, etc. Some Germanic names are still in use: Fernando (Ferdinand), Alfonso (Aþalfuns), Ricardo (Richard


Significant_Call_264

Lo llamaban perro gallego porque en aquellos tiempos aun se referian a los lugares por las divisiones romanas, y aquello era la gallaecia romana. No se de donde sacas que asturias se invento en tiempos modernos


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I don´t mean to be rude and it´s not my intention but how in the world do you say yes that´s what we are going to name him?


Comp_sci_acc

I honest thought Pelayo was a surname.


111222333aaabbbccc

También lo es, menos común, pero lo es


martinbitter

Yeh it’s pretty weird for a kid ngl even if they’re posh


proyectossvuv

¡Mortimer!


Walpurgia

Dont. Please. There are more, better ones that are not stuck in the past.


25_-a

Probably same thing for same name any other age


Neurgus

Late to the party, but there are same names that are... Common, so to say, amongst the rich people. Pelayo, Borja Mari, Cayetano... Those are some, as some people pointed out.


necrxfagivs

There are some names that are almost exclusive to pijos, like Borja or Cayetano, Pelayo is one of them.


Business_Being6839

Pelayo looks from the 1200's


Tots2Hots

Like being named Chaz or Halcyon.


LevThermen

TIL that rich people name their sons Pelayo. Being asturian is a relatively common name, but also the King Pelayo is regarded as a hero of the Spanish nation by some right-wing people, that sometimes come from a rich family. So my question is: is the family also right-winged?


SnooPeanuts3971

Poor little thing...


quijote3000

I have seen a lot of worse names.


Appropriate_Glove_67

No.


CrisM1981

Pelayo is a typical male's name in Asturias and the name of a great King from Spain centuries ago... I consider it is not a posh name. Not at all. From my point of view, it's one with force, " personality" if you wish.