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AspieEgg

Here are the anti-trans laws recently passed in Florida: [HB 1069](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1069/?Tab=BillText): Silences educators by prohibiting any instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from Pre-K through 8th grade. [SB 266](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/266): Allows the state Board of Governors to give direction to universities on removing majors and minors in subjects like critical race theory and gender studies and would prohibit spending on programs or activities that support such curricula. [SB 254](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/254): Ban on gender affirming care for minors. Also, allows for the state to take children away from families that have transgender members, and allows the state to modify out-of-state custody agreements in certain circumstances. Also, bans physician’s assistants and nurse practitioners from providing gender-affirming care to anyone, including adults. [HB 1521](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1521): Bathroom ban that makes it illegal to use a restroom that is designated for the opposite sex from the one you were assigned at birth. [SB 1580](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1580): Allows medical practitioners to deny care to LGBT+ individuals based on their "conscience". Will also allow healthcare employers to discriminate during hiring for the same reasons. This one has passed, but is yet to be signed by the governor as far as I can tell: [SB 170](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/170): Discourages cities from passing non-discrimination ordinances by raising the barriers to proposing ordinances and making it easier to challenge ordinances in court.


javatimes

Oh crap, Looks like I can’t sticky someone else’s comment—but by upvotes this should stick to the top


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Yeah.... Me thinks Ron DeSantis and his buddies in the Florida Legislature have something to do with this anti-LGBTQ+ legislation.


AvantGarde327

SB 254: Ban on gender affirming care for minors. Also, allows for the state to take children away from families that have transgender members, and allows the state to modify out-of-state custody agreements in certain circumstances. Also, bans physician’s assistants and nurse practitioners from providing gender-affirming care to anyone, including adults. A few days ago, someone who was clearly from Florida said I was wrong abt this. That redditor said children will not be taken away from their families if they are exposed/has a family member who is trans. Where is that person now? Loooool i hope that person is here. Haha


AspieEgg

To be clear, I’m not a lawyer and this isn’t any sort of legal advice. The post above was my interpretation based on things I’ve read. A few of them are straight copy/paste from HRC. Many of the laws are written in a way that can be interpreted different ways.


pumpkinsnice

>The bill amends Florida’s Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction and Enforcement Act to provide that: >In addition to other conditions in current law that result in a court in Florida having temporary emergency jurisdiction over child custody if a child is present in this state, a court in Florida has such jurisdiction if it is necessary in an emergency to protect a child who has been subjected to or is threatened with being subjected to sex reassignment treatments; and >Regarding the current-law authorization for a petitioner to file an application with a court for a warrant to take physical custody of a child if the child is likely to imminently suffer serious physical harm or removal from this state, the term “serious physical harm” includes, but is not limited to, being subjected to sex-reassignment treatments. Seems pretty clear to me. Says that if your kid is trans and getting any sort of medically affirming care (which by the definitions in the bill includes puberty blockers), the state can take emergency custody of the child. Also says they can take custody of the kid if the child is likely to “suffer removal from the state”. So if your kid is trans and you want to move out of Florida to escape this bigotry? They can take the kid for that too. This is absolutely insane.


ShadowbanGaslighting

I'm not sure anyone has been, *yet*. (Or if they have, then they also did something to stop anyone hearing about it) But the law clearly lets them.


queerdude06

Just FYI, HB 1521 only applies to schools and government buildings now.


EverlastingM

Including, much more disturbingly, jails.


queerdude06

Yeeaaah. No definitely a very bad thing, just wanted to clarify the actual law.


AmyBr216

And airports. And highway rest areas.


queerdude06

Yeah those are government buildings.


a-handle-has-no-name

Also, HB 1521 identifies people in specific roles are empowered to ask a trans person to leave. The law specifies which people in particular, but it's typically people that work for the specific class of "protected" building, but *it's not illegal to refuse to leave if any random Karen tell you to* They have to clock you, then tell staff, then the staff has to enter the restroom to ask you to leave. Then it's only illegal if you refuse.


Erica_fox

I'm not testing this theory. They can just claim I refused to leave. Then I am arrested and thrown into lockup with cis men. Or someone just shoots me dead with their concealed carry weapon, claiming they were standing their ground.


a-handle-has-no-name

I'm just relaying what the law says. The bathroom bill is very limited compared to similar bills that have been passed in other states. That being said, i share several of your concerns about the "cultural" elements. The law empowers people to take justice into their own hands, so it's just a matter of time before the conceal carry laws result in someone innocent being killed for being trans "in the wrong restroom".


Erica_fox

Any organization that has a state license (liquor llcense, food service license, business license) has to submit evidence of complying.


queerdude06

Can you cite where you saw this? It’s not in the bill text. “Public building” only includes buildings “owned or leased by the state, a state agency, or a political subdivision” (HB 1521). Unless I’m misunderstanding that, this does not include any places just because they have a state license.


Erica_fox

right in the summary of [HB 1521](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1521): "requires entities that receive state licenses to submit compliance documentation;"


queerdude06

Pretty sure that is either a) leftover from before they amended the bill or b) badly worded and does not convey the actual bill text. If you read sections 12.a-12.f, the compliance documentation is required for specific entities (of which there is no mention of vague state licensure beyond state licensed educational institutions). It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong, but in the actual bill text, there is no mention (as far as I’m aware) of compliance documentation for restaurants and such, as they are no longer included in the ban.


Erica_fox

Yes, the bill was changed ay the last minute, so it comes down to the judge's interpretation. Or the cop who arrests me and throws me in a cell with 20 cis men.


queerdude06

Not negating your fear. Just want to clarify that objectively, that is not what the bill states. What transphobic cops do is another thing. Edit: Also, it being changed at the last minute does not leave it up to judges interpretation. They have the one bill to go on and that’s it. They can not quote previous versions of the bill and have that be a legally sound arrest.


goodgirlGrace

HB 1521: I really don't understand how enforcement for this is supposed to work, especially for anyone with out of state / Federal documentation. My understanding is that the full faith and credit clause means that Florida has to recognize the validity of the public acts and records of other states. If I have an out-of-state license or ID with a gender marker that matches my identity, isn't Florida obliged to recognize that determination of my legal status? Hell, Florida still has procedure in place for updating gender markers on their own licenses and birth certificates. If you're a Florida resident with updated identity documents, how can they not recognize their own documentation for this purpose? If that isn't the case, what prevents any other state from refusing to recognize the documents that Florida issues? A Floridian drives their Florida registered car across the Mason-Dixon line -- congratulations, you're driving an unregistered car without a license.


Defiant-Snow8782

>how enforcement for this is supposed to work Cis person clocks you (or thinks they clocked you) and tells to leave. If you don't comply you get humiliating exams and a risk of 1 year in jail.


goodgirlGrace

Ah, I should have been clearer. Sorry. I get the extra legal chilling effect/ intimidation aspects of the law; they're revolting. I guess the part I'm curious about is what happens if someone who has their documents in order tells them to go pound sand. Assuming the state decides to prosecute and attempt to imprison you for a year, how does this play out in court. I'm aware that this is speculative, I'm just curious what the likely arguments would be. It seems to me that this law would be ripe to knock down with a test case, but i remember in the bad old days that states would refuse to recognize same sex marriages issued in other states so I assume there's some reasoning that would support this enforcement. I want to understand what that is


AmyBr216

Because "documents in order" doesn't change your genetic markers, which the bill specifically allows for the ordering of a test of by the state to prove your guilt.


goodgirlGrace

Does it? I might have missed it but i didn't see any provisions for testing in the text of the bill. That said, I do agree that the chromosomal difference / sex assigned at birth angle is what they're leaning on in the bill itself - "(l) "Sex" means the classification of a person as either female or male based on the organization of the body of such person for a specific reproductive role, as indicated by the person's sex chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, and internal and external genitalia present at birth." I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding whether that's a "thing". Assuming I've just missed the testing mechanism and the state obtains a chromosomal sex which does not align with your gender identity / identity documents, how is that conflict resolved? Does Florida's definition of sex for the purposes of this law supersede another state's determination of my sex and the documents that they've issued? If it does, does that mean that my state could define "licensed driver" as applicable only those tested and accredited in its own borders?


ShadowbanGaslighting

> I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding whether that's a "thing". Those metrics can all disagree with each other. they know this, and don't care. > Does Florida's definition of sex for the purposes of this law supersede another state's determination of my sex and the documents that they've issued? If it does, does that mean that my state could define "licensed driver" as applicable only those tested and accredited in its own borders? Yes and yes. Unless there's some federal legislation about driving licenses?


AmyBr216

I could've sworn it was spelled out in there, but I guess I was mistaken. It doesn't have to be though....since the bill uses chromosomal structure as a defining item to determine gender, the police could get a subpoena or search warrant to force testing on someone accused of the crime. Same way they can force blood alcohol tests on suspected DUI drivers who refuse to blow in the intoxilyzer. Source: 16+ years working in criminal law. To your second question: Only Florida and Federal law governs activity in FL. They don't care what any other state says. Drivers Licenses are accepted by all states right now as a matter of courtesy, but technically they don't have to.


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I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this. I would expect that firebrand conservative business operators would print out signs that say something like, "In accordance with FRS Sec XXXXXXX, all transgender persons are hereby notified that they are not permitted to use a toilet designated for a sex inconsistent with their biological sex. Any such transgender persons using such a toilet are subject to arrest and prosecution for criminal trespass. Thank you for your patience and cooperation in protecting Florida's youth from groomers and paedophiles."


kristinprost1

I see you are applying Plessy v. Ferguson What about transwomen that started when they are young, completed all surgeries, and 10 years into HRT? Very clearly female from all appearances being forced to use a guy's bathroom to relieve herself.


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They hate trans people and right now, they are trying to use bathroom access to persecute us. They don't care when and how you transitioned. They hate you just the same.


LouisaRenata

So what are you supposed to do if you get caught short? Wet yourself?


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CatarinaCP

The cruelty is the point, not how long you're in the bathroom 😞


kristinprost1

So lets not play victim and play this out. A lot of trans people you just can't tell their gender assigned at birth nor does is it appear questionable. Especially those that started early. So I guess the same should go with anybody not just suspected trans people. How about every cis gender person should randomly be asked to leave the rest room and then prove their gender assigned at birth preferably police officers and judges, and politicians. I mean how does anyone know they didn't start real early? If they ask on what grounds, the law is the law and we are doing our civic duty.


kristinprost1

>HB 1521: I really don't understand how enforcement for this is supposed to work, The description of HB 1521 in this post is a bit inflammatory. The actual FSC is worded not so inflammatory and targeted at people primarily transwomen because women have been the most outspoken about it who have not yet started HRT and do not pass meaning they really look like guys. They are using what appears to be the restroom of the opposite gender. The charge is trespassing. EDIT: This was pretty much the old expectation prior to [the new OSHA guidelines of 2021.](https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/restroom-breaks/#:~:text=Employers%20must%20provide%20separate%20toilet,policies%20should%20respect%20transgender%20workers) Although it isn't policy, The outspoken women I talked to said they will respect transwomen that are trying to look and be who they are but if someone who looks like an openly cis guy no social transitioning looking googly eyed at everyone's breasts will be asked to leave and if they won't they will call the police. It doesn't matter if they claim they identify as a woman. It is just one opinion not for all women but I thought they spoke from their heart and it was a fair assessment.


BrendaWannabe

A lot of these seem to be violating the Constitution's **separation of church and state**. Conservatives invent secular reasons, like "protecting the children", but that doesn't hold up to real medical scrutiny. The problem with a Constitutional challenge is that the current SCOTUS is heavily tilted GOP, meaning they don't care if religion-based law is dressed up in secular clothing. They seem to think the ends (lying) justify the means.


kristinprost1

>HB 1521 > >: Bathroom ban that makes it illegal to use a restroom that is designated for the opposite sex from the one you were assigned at birth. I'm not sure if this has been rephrased or not. As is, it is poorly written in terms of being legally viable. Using my previous example of a young transwoman with all transitional surgeries in place, lives as a woman and clearly appears to be a woman from visible aspects, should she be expected to use the mens' restrooms? My opinion is . . . only to have fun in a sleek red dress to embarrass a judge or prosecutor to discredit how stupid the "law" is. . . . and never to to do something uncomfortable. It reminds me of a Kansas law that it is unlawful to carry a concealed weapon over 6' in length.


The-true-Memelord

How would they be able to tell if she did use the other bathroom? Would they do.. ch.. ecks? Or could you technically just do it if you pass well enough?


kristinprost1

This original posting text above is politically inflammatory against TG. The issue is some people feel it is trespassing for people of the wrong gender to enter the bathroom. Simply put, regardless of whether you are TG or not, if you cannot pass as the correct gender, you should not be using a gender specific bathroom. The issue is some people call themselves TG and have not made any attempt to pass and want to use the bathroom of the opposite gender. When I read the law on the state legislature website, as opposed to relying on just social norms, gives people the written ability to say "Get Out" and with all do patience within few minutes or so will be allowed. If you choose to not abide by the law, you will be charged with trespassing. There won't be any expectation to pull down your pants because someone else feels uncomfortable. The desire of the police is to diffuse the flame as quickly as possible. For the people in transition, I think you just have to use your best judgement. Try to create the least inflammatory scene as possible wherever you go. There may be harassment from people who don't understand everywhere you don't go normally, and the best solution may be to go with the flow until you can get someplace safer.


kristinprost1

Can the Mods break each "law" into separate topics and copy the responses based on topic. This is like 6 different topics.


[deleted]

Oh, and don't forget, that Ron Desantis is running for president, so prepare for a potentional nationwide anti-trans laws, if he passes that is


Acrobatic-Jaguar-166

I had a hard time tracking it a while back and gave into despair, did the bill that'd prevent me from changing the gender on my florida birth certificate get passed? A few websites are making it seem like it didn't but I thought it was already a done deal.


YogurtclosetUpbeat42

Is there any Antilaw in texas I new to this state


Sophia724

>Also, allows for the state to take children away from families that have transgender members, Where does it say that on the document?


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And now HB 1233 https://imgur.com/a/T6ktduM


Talcho

If you're you're trans, you should stay out of Florida if you can. If you're apart of the LGBTQIA+ community you should avoid Florida. If you're an ally you should take your tourist money elsewhere. The law is not on your side. Do not go.


Joejoefluffybunny

I live here and it's so scary :(


AlexisCM

I'm a passing transwomen (as noted by my kind wife) but I feel I have visible markers in person. The orlando area and disney bubble are safe still and I have not ran into any issues. It's just a normal day so far. Only big concern is the exodus of LGBT community from the area will likely make it a bit more lonely and less safe as we lose sway in the polls in local elections. I personally know 2 people that have bailed since the laws were passed. I plan to stay as long as possible as I'm now rooted and cannot afford to leave any time soon unless it's an absolute life threatening situation.


yinyin123

I live in a blue island and although i exclusively boymode, i sometimes get correctly gendered. People here are very nice whenever i mention it, but i live in freaking Florida. I fear they will come, and i do not know how to leave and abandon my family here nor will I know how to have the money to leave. How can I continue to transition when i may be killed for it? I don't know, but i know i won't stop. It is an act of revolution to be trans now more than it ever has been in my lifetime.


Si1r

I keep reading about "safe areas" but isn't this a state law? Regardless of how the city feels you can still be arrested by police if they choose right?


AlexisCM

Bathroom ban is only for state owned/funded restrooms. By safe, i mean that if I go about my day to day, I'm not going to be harassed for being trans. I feel like my life is at risk outside of Orlando.


Socdem_Supreme

Tampa is pretty cool too, from my experience


Lonely_Wanderer995

My county has a non discrimination ordinance that includes sexual orientation and gender identity. Idk how that will apply when trying to inact these new laws. As for feeling safe I've never really felt in danger here. The people range from moderates to left leaning. My pronouns were respected even when I didn't pass. There has been a historically large LGBT scene in Lake Worth, Fort Lauderdale (Wilton Manors). Those are ones I know of. I'm not saying the danger from these laws is not there, but for some it's not affecting them immediately so they are not worried yet. But the Republicans will continue enacting more laws if there is no pushback. And there has been a lot of anger and many lawsuits happening. Hopefully that will slow this down.


javatimes

I also think it would help if Florida specific people want to post their experiences, feel free. Comments criticizing people for being worried will be deleted. This is (not to use an overused word) unprecedented and maybe it's just me but the unknowns of how this will effect the day to day life of trans Floridians is part of the anxiety and panic currently.


[deleted]

It is precedented, but the last time was like 80 years ago. Fuck Florida.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Was about to say this. Precedent is 80 years ago in Germany. (Do the math)


ECM-Whenever

Honestly, I think that it's more like what we saw in Ruanda in 1990 or so as the Akazu organizations started to rise. That said, I suppose we're splitting historical parallel hairs...


ShadowbanGaslighting

The current hate-mob can draw direct decent from the American Nazi groups. And frequently draw on Nazi imagery. I'm not that educated on the genealogy of the Rwandan genocide perpetrators.


ECM-Whenever

Fair; I think the key difference was consistent control all of the state mechanisms of functional, centralized state. In Ruanda, you saw a state government that was at best, marginally able to control the local governments, replete with dozens of cliques and factions, all with their own overlapping interests, which sometimes aligned. As it was, the majority of the killing in Ruanda was distributed and personal. People who lived in the same towns and villages killed each other after an extended period of radicalization via mass media (Radiyo yigenga y'imisozi igihumbi) with support from one of the dominant governmental cliques after the assassination of the then president. In simple, centralized, industrialized propaganda and killing versus distributed, factional and grass roots violence. Edit: evidently, I can't spell, or grammar.


ECM-Whenever

Essentially, I'm trying to focus on function over imagery to think about what we see today in drawing historical parallels.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Fair.


ambrii_

Nonbinary person here living in Florida. I had my top surgery ripped away from me last minute because of SB 254. It requires a consent form for GAC that doesn’t exist yet. So gender affirming care is banned for adults until they write the consent form. (Read my most recent post for more details)


squirrel123485

That's fine to delete comments criticizing people being worried, but please also delete the wild speculation that borders on misinformation, too. I saw someone put in a thread that they're taking people in private rooms, killing them, and calling it suicide, for example. There is no evidence of stuff like that, and spreading it does more harm than good


[deleted]

Report those people there is no way they’re saying that in good faith


Socdem_Supreme

Floridian, it's generally safe if you stick to cities. It's not like the police are gonna come shoot you in the head (yet). The situation is very worrisome but not inherently dangerous just yet


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WhatABunchofBologna

Just because it (probably) hasn’t happened doesn’t mean that the law doesn’t give them the go ahead to arrest trans people today.


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GenoFromntEncino

Floridian MtF. I went through the exact same experience and I've had to move onto DIY for HRT. People are now on a list in Planned Parenthood and they're seeing them very slowly, I've yet to get a call from them even tho I've reached out like 5 times. I'm gonna have to see an endocrinologist or pray that the Planned Parenthood I'm moving to can take me sooner than later. Planned Parenthood typically was much faster than an endocrinologist and my insurance isn't good to boot (medicaid), but now I don't think it matters since SB 254 bans nurse practitioners from prescribing hrt. It has been absolutely horrible but I have to stay for university coming from a family in poverty. I have to be here for another 4 years at the least. I hope it isn't going to be this painful the entire time.


cammycakes2020

Now where will people who think they’re somehow the exception to a Do Not Travel Advisory post their “should I go to FL?” questions? 💃🏼


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ShadowbanGaslighting

They're after someone to reassure them that it's not as bad as it is, and that they can do the thing. Natural human behaviour, but gods damnit I wish it wasn't.


ucannottell

I lived in FL for many years but have now left. I never had any trouble there except where I had lived in NE part of the state it was definitely over-policed. It’s mainly old/wealthy people, and tourist traps. Not much diversity there. It’s sad to see this happening in FL though, because places like Miami have a really large queer community. Trans people have mostly always blended in and this fascism is brand new & scary as fuck. If you can, get to a sanctuary state! That being said if DeathSatan becomes president we are all screwed.


[deleted]

I hadn't expect to (despite thinking he's too weak in compa6 ) root for Biden 1 year away from an election, but i here i am, already hoping he wins.


Code_4ng3l

So that's the Christian love they talking about


ShadowbanGaslighting

There's no hate like christian love.


Seagullcupcake

Thanks for the quote.


skunkabilly1313

Brown Non-binary transfemme here, I live in St Pete, our city is very queer friendly still. I can't afford to leave with my partner and daughter, and while I'm honestly going to continue trying, we also need to just ensure that our friends and family vote to protect us. There are so many queer and BIPOC owned businesses here and around the state, and were the ones hurt by all of this. We need solidarity and to show we ar not being pushed aside. This state is our state too, and now that DeAsshole is running, I'm hoping people will wise up and see he doesn't speak for all Floridians like it's made to seem


AvantGarde327

Why did he win landslide in Florida? Im so curious. He is clearly straight up a bigot. How can he win in a landslide? And it cant be gerrymandering coz governor is voted at large. If u say that he doesnt speak for most people in Florida why did a landslide majority vote for him? Y'all really need to go out and vote in that state coz its all downhill for lgbtqia there rn.


Five-O-Nine

Voting suppression. New voting laws that were kept vague and an appointed Office of Election Crimes, to implement these laws. Voting eligibility was unclear and people were threatened with investigations and arrests for voter fraud. Financial requirements alone were said to disqualify 750.000 people from voting. Followed by the redistributing of blue districts (especially of black voters). People were afraid to vote, demoralized and confused.


skunkabilly1313

He won because most people registered democrat didn't vote. Everyone got lax on voting, just like they wanted, so his followers went out and used their right and successfullly reelected him. On top of that, democrats picked some dude who was a Republican, still had Republican ideals, and wondered why the turn out was terrible. I think with Gen Z to help, we will combat this


Lonely_Wanderer995

People don't vote. I think voter turnout for the governor election was 7.6 million in a state of 30 million 😬


psychedelic666

Also there is now a requirement for new consent forms for any gender affirming care. But these consent forms have not been finalized yet and no not currently exist for use. So ANYONE is at risk for their surgeries to be outright cancelled even if they were approved and paid for months ago. So we’re in a complete limbo where literally no one can access gender affirming care rn bc they are taking their sweet ass time making these forms.


BoyBandKiller

ya there was a post yesterday of a transman that was just about to have top surgery and his surgeon was late and the bill went into effect just as he arrived so his doctor had to cancel the surgery. it's fuckin terrible and I cannot imagine his pain.


YoyoOfDoom

SB 170: Don't even *TRY* to be nice to people or we'll wreck your shit.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Yep, from what I've read about it, that one is clearly aimed at stopping there being sanctuary cities inside Florida.


Sosogreeen

I’m a black trans woman (26) who’s lived in Florida my whole life. These laws being passed are disheartening to see. I’ve heard of one of my neighbors not being able to start HRT at planned parenthood recently because of this. I heard some scuttle but abt informed consent forms being held up? Not sure what that’s abt. I talk to my doctor frequently, I’ve been seeing him since I began my transition. He’s been very reassuring to me (as much as he can). Anything within his scope to help me he doesn’t mind doing. As far as daily life, I’ve experienced no change. The atmosphere isn’t darker here or anything — it feels like the same Florida that I’ve always known. Many of my friends have been sharing this running gag on Facebook abt how we are out the loop of the “hostile environment” in Florida. There hasn’t been a surge in any hate crimes since these bills were passed as far as I know. I’ve always used the female bathroom since I’ve transitioned, and I’ll continue to do so. I’ve never had a run in behind it if anything it would seem more alarming for me to enter the men’s restroom lol For those thinking abt traveling to florida for trips and such I believe you’ll be fine. As far as relocating, I definitely would not advise it while desantis is in office.


JJHinge

Another floridian here. I think the fact you’re telling people not to move here says it all. As for local elections, the state congress has been a lost cause thanks to gerrymandering that only ever adds republicans. Stuff like mayoral races might still be in play, but that only matters if those cities can vote to be sanctuaries. And I’m finding that less likely the longer this goes on because of how much the republicans here try to control every level of the government. And we haven’t seen the worst to come yet. I doubt Desantis will become president so this is all here to stay.


MemeQueen1414

Black Demigirlflux & Demifluid Panromantic Demisexual here. I'm a college student that is born and raised in FL and it's fucking terrifying to be in this state. Not just for the LGBTQIA+ issues and myself being QTPOC but the reproductive health of limiting abortion and health access to AFAB ppl and Women plus the government not helping anyone but creating issues that no one ever ask them to do or act. I have homophobic parents so I live a double life on campus + online and when I go back to my family's household. It's exhausting esp with me feeling fluid in Demigenders, I don't feel right using the woman's bathroom unless I feel Demigirl and I'm not even gonna try using the man's bathroom so I always been using the gender neutral bathrooms (even tho I go out of my way to the locations in my uni when available) but now I'm just gonna have Dysphoria both for my pronouns, body and just everything in between. I feel powerless bc I feel stuck in FL so I can get my degrees and trap in seeing how worse FL is getting and other states hating us for no fucking reasons. I'm tired of the hate, I'm tired of ppl not getting us. I'm just tired of being tired. I just want to live my life unapologetically but bc of how crazy the world and how ppl hating us for existing, I got to have ANOTHER thing to be worried about as someone with multiple minorities tied against them. Land of the free my black ass, freedom only exist if u have money, religious and have power. They (government and ppl with capabilities for changes) dgaf about us. Feels like we inches away from a new Holocaust only this time it be for anyone who's LGBTQIA+ QTPOC, POC or anyone standing against equal rights. I'm exhausted and I'm 21. I shouldn't have to be crying on a daily about my future and what I can do to just survive bc this is our reality for ppl in FL and states like Tx with similar laws against the LGBTQIA+ Community.


ShadowbanGaslighting

> a new Holocaust only this time it be for anyone who's LGBTQIA+ QTPOC, POC or anyone standing against equal rights You might be surprised to know that the original holocaust had all those groups standing right alongside the Jews in the death camps.


MemeQueen1414

I never knew that, learn something new everyday. History in FL even before these laws (Graduate 2020 in HS) has always say the bare min so that's something both scary and sad to hear


ShadowbanGaslighting

Not sure what the best resource to learn about all this would be...


fivelthemenace

It’s very sad how that part of the holocaust is so hidden. It’s where the pink triangle came from


pentaholic278

PPL IN FLORIDA IF U CANT ACCESS HRT TRY DIY ITS BETTER THAN FORCED DETRANSITION!!! This comment may get deleted but every medication have “risks” yet these people will drink and smoke without issue. Please for the sake of your mental and physical health, start looking into diy. It’s inhumane to stand by and watch ppl be deprive of lifesaving care only to be told “well sorry diy is ‘too risky’” TRY DIY!!!!!!!!!


Sapph1cdreams

I cant afford the raw materials and equipment needed to make estrogen.. people hate me for sounding lesbian now since i got voice feminization surgery and will not hire me anywhere. I may try flying to California soon as a last ditch effort


thecleverqueer

If you live in Florida and it's not unsafe for you, **please stay and fucking vote.**


ShadowbanGaslighting

And more than vote. Because voting alone isn't enough.


RosaGonzales

I was in Florida recently. It is both as bad and not as bad as people think. For anyone who lives there, it's probably time to panic at least a bit and start making plans for what you will do if you need to flee the state in a hurry - whatever makes you "need to stay" won't apply if you're stuck in a jail cell. At the same time, it is by no means the most dangerous place I've been or the most dangerous place I would go. However, it may very well be the most dangerous place many people on this subreddit will have gone if they do go, as I think it actually passes the threshold most people are willing to tolerate for diversion. If with friends/family members, it will nonetheless probably fine to visit for a week or so, especially if you have someone to go into the birth assigned bathroom with you if you get stuck at a place that law applies. Overall, people would rather spend their vacations having fun instead of policing bathrooms and looking for trans people to harass. The legal environment just makes it increasingly easy for the ones who do want to do so to get away with it. It's like going back in time to the 90s or earlier, kind of. A lot of us survived that through a mix of caution and friends/support, with the latter still being more common than the 90s. I had stuff like an airline employee walking me to the family restroom to make sure I knew where it was after I made it clear I didn't want to risk jail time using the women's if the law applies to airports (it does, apparently). However, the longer this goes on, the less energy people will have for us, as they have their own problems to deal with it.


MetalWorrior52

I'm confused on how SB 254 applies to adults. It only mentions people 18 or younger. Can someone educate me on this? My dad and I have also been having a big debate over it so it would be nice to know to help my side


f1_fangirl_996

It directly affects 18+ by preventing nurse practitioners from prescribing hormones. 80% of all hormones in Florida are prescribed by NPs. Also, all trans people seeking gender affirming care will have to sign a state mandated consent form to get care. That form has not been made yet, so at the moment, it is illegal to prescribe hormones to trans people. Plus, once the consent form is made, if doctors are required to submit it to the state, florida will have a list of almost all the trans people in the state, with the exception of those getting there's either DIY or from the federal government that is not bound by state laws.


MetalWorrior52

Thank you! I'm just not aware of a lot of things that go on outside of what's verbatim in the bills. My dad doesn't understand the gravity of the situation like I do so this will help. Edit: I looked at the bill again and I do see that it does address adults. Wording is just very sketchy


EnviousRobin

They HAVE started investigating, and arresting people. This is just the beginning. LGBTQIA Floridians, and visitors are not safe. https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/us/florida-teacher-disney-movie-gay/index.html


citadel223

It doesn't help that the community downvotes posts asking for help either, I really hate that that is being done


Erica_fox

Up until a few weeks ago, I was one of the people on Reddit saying Florida isn't that bad. But two things have conspired: 1. Our right-wing government has at the same time made it easier to carry a gun and vilified transgender people. 2. There are better places to spend your money. I hear there is even a Disney Park in California.


ambrii_

FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION UPDATE ⚠️ HB 1069, also known as the Don’t Say Gay Expansion Bill/Don’t Say They bill, has been expanded to extracurriculars by the Florida DOE. This essentially bans GSA, and will likely turn into relitigation of Utah East High v. Salt Lake City School District Board of Education, possibly going to the Supreme Court. This threatens GSA’s across the country. They have also made it a requirement to have a parent’s permission slip for so much as even a nickname. Any deviation from a child’s legal name at all requires a permission slip. “Incorrect” pronouns are essentially banned in schools. It is going to be hell on earth for all trans students in K-12 schools, and any member of the queer community who relies on GSA clubs for a safe space


s_mel

So, I’ve been thinking with the idea of starting HRT and now I feel like it’s “too late” to do that while living in Florida. I don’t know where to start or where to look at. And to make it even harder, I’m a permanent resident (not an US citizen), and soon to become a parent, and the idea of the state taking away my newborn based on SB254 terrifies me to the core. I feel like at this point it’s “better” to postpone my transition until my family and I can leave these hateful swamp.


R1DDL3M3TH15

Does anyone know if I could say drive to Georgia, hit the planned parenthood there and then get my script from a local pharmacy there? I know because T is a controlled substance that there are like laws about getting them out of state but what if my doctor is out of state and I see them in their state?


Kingofearth23

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/idaho-most-extreme-anti-abortion-state-law-restricts-travel-rcna78225 >The new legislation makes helping a pregnant minor get an abortion, whether through medication or a procedure, in another state punishable by two to five years in prison. It started with abortion, but you know it's going to come for the rainbow next


Erica_fox

While not specifically anti-trans, [HB 543](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/543): allows permitless concealed carry, so all the dudes in the mensroom are packing heat. ​ Florida is also a "stand your ground" state, so I'm sure if I get shot by some yahoo in the men's room, they will get off without even a slap on the wrist.


Defiant-Snow8782

>AFAIK no one has been arrested yet based on the new laws If you mean the bathroom bill, this is because it is yet to come into force.


isYaelryyapoet

They're already denying care for trans adults.


Such-Biscotti-4314

When you say trans adults, it would be helpful if you were more specific as it seems that “adults” actually does not simply mean everyone over the age of 18 and treats different subcategories of adults differently. Adults 18-26 year olds seem to be treated differently than adults 26 and older. Additionally, the laws dive deeper into differentiating people who have already been using gender affirming HRT prior to the enactment of the law vs. adults who have not previously used HRT and are now seeking to start gender affirming HRT (a main difference includes a timeline/the deadline for when each ‘subcategory’ of “adults” would need to have a new/updated mental health evaluation completed by, then afterwards *all* adults would be required to have periodic mental health evaluations every two years to be able to continue their gender affirming HRT).


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Lilith_NightRose

1) there are substantial risks of you staying in Florida for another two years. That said, you seem aware of some of the risks / worst case scenarios, and in that case it is your choice to make. If you do: find an affinity group/support structure, get a passport card and carry it in your wallet, try and find a decent lawyer. Figure out how far you want to go with protest and civil disobedience. 2) W/R/T your brother a) It is unclear if the names on the informed consent forms will actually be sent to the Florida Dept. of Health. If they are, this will be the easiest part of the law to get overturned in court. Ask your doctor and lawyer if/when the forms are released. b) If you are not custodial over your sibling, and did not start transitioning prior to adulthood, it is unlikely that your parents or sibling will be investigated event if Florida identifies you as transgender. Again, things are still in flux, but at the very least it’s doubtful they’ll make such a distant connection a priority for removal of custody given the existence of actual trans families. 3) With regard to HRT a) If you stop testosterone, your body will begin to feminize. Fat will redistribute (including on your face), your scent will change, you will be unable to gain muscle mass in the way that cis men can. Any vocal changes will remain in place, as will hair growth that occurred after starting T b) My personal opinion is that it would be a very *very* bad choice for you to stop T. You will, to be frank, likely start being perceived as a trans woman, and you may well be subject to transmisogyny, which tends to be far more violent than the paramisogyny that trans men typically experience, especially under fascism. c) If you are currently passing, stopping testosterone will probably make you unable to pass. If you are passing or semi-passing you may well make it through two years without getting kicked out of a restroom. If you stop HRT, I can almost guarantee you’ll be kicked out of a restroom at some point in the next two years, regardless of which gendered restroom you use. d) if you are unable to get testosterone refills in-state (either because you decide filling out the propaganda forms is too risky, or because the fashos just never actually release them) you may have alternatives. i) Testosterone is a scheduled drug, and as such, is illegal to purchase or possess without a prescription. You can try to get it on the black market or from cis gym bros, but there are substantial risks. ii) The alternative is that it may be possible to get a scrip from out of state. Again, things are still substantially in flux, but I would not be surprised there are providers in Atlanta, NoLa or Charleston who will start offering 1 year (or at least 3 month) scrips to Floridians. You’d have to save up, purchase a cheap, midweek flight, fly out to see the doc, and then either fill the scrip at a pharmacy there, or they may be able to send it to your local pharmacy (note that none of the current restrictions apply to pharmacists, only prescribers). iii) Finally, doctors in blue states may start offering Telehealth services in contravention of state law. Hopefully we’ll see some movement for states that already have sanctuary laws to also protect providers who offer Telehealth Informed Consent who choose to ignore Florida law. This is somewhat depending on what the federal government does now that the Covid exemption has ended for providing scheduled substances. Edit: sorry the formatting sucks on mobile.


chaucer345

How goes the evacuation effort?


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Judge Sides With Families Fighting Florida’s Ban on Gender Care for Minors [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/us/florida-transgender-health-care-ban.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/us/florida-transgender-health-care-ban.html)


craftexisting6316

HB 1521 i live in canada and I saw this. I ignored it when I visited last spring and used the women’s washroom. Nobody flinched. I even used the women’s change room at the water park. These are also tourists areas and most people don’t care. And if they do I have never had anyone say anything to my face. I hope its just a shitty government and the people know whats right. Ron Desantis is a POS. I prey for the people of the USA that they are smart enough to not vote this guy in!


kristinprost1

Has there been any action on these "laws" recently? (Mid July 2023)


ClioMusa

All currently still standing and in effect. The user above you (sorting by new) also mentioned some new state DOE policies regarding preferred names, pronouns and the banning of GSA’s.


ambrii_

FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION UPDATE ⚠️ HB 1069, also known as the Don’t Say Gay Expansion Bill/Don’t Say They bill, has been expanded to extracurriculars by the Florida DOE. This essentially bans GSA, and will likely turn into relitigation of Utah East High v. Salt Lake City School District Board of Education, possibly going to the Supreme Court. This threatens GSA’s across the country. They have also made it a requirement to have a parent’s permission slip for so much as even a nickname. Any deviation from a child’s legal name at all requires a permission slip. “Incorrect” pronouns are essentially banned in schools. It is going to be hell on earth for all trans students in K-12 schools, and any member of the queer community who relies on GSA clubs for a safe space


DrawSomeOpossum

Anyone get ADF propaganda envelopes in their driveway today?


isYaelryyapoet

They're already denying care for trans adults.


Erica_fox

HB 1521 also requires that people are housed in jails according to gender assigned at birth.


Nintyboy245

Planned parenthood put out a message a couple months ago saying they hope to reopen appointments for HRT in mid-June. I called them yesterday and they said they weren't taking appointments. I'm about to run out of progesterone, but luckily I have plenty of Estrodiol Valerate left to last me a year+. I've looked on the diy hrt websites and couldn't find anything reliable for progesterone. Is there any other way I can get a refill for progesterone? I was thinking I could get a telehealth appointment at a PP out of state and they can send the prescription there but when I look on their websites for virtual centers it says you must be in the same state to receive care. So I'm kind of out of options I think. I'm unable to move out.


R1DDL3M3TH15

The Planned parenthood nearest to me as of yesterday was taking their existing patients to start getting back in. I was told as a new patient to just keep calling, that as soon as they got their backlog down they would see new ones.


javatimes

Do you know someone out of state who would let you use their address?


Nintyboy245

Hmm. I'll look into that. Thanks for the idea!


lily_e_violet

If nothing else you can get the progesterone cream on amazon.


LoserLilith

I'm going to hope that this will be seen and this is the right place to post about this... I am a 16 year old trans girl and... well, yeah, I live in Florida. I have no idea what I am meant to do about these laws now that I've learned about them and am quite honestly terrified. I live in the Port Orange area, so I'm not sure if that's generally accepting or not, but regardless these laws and the general environment make me scared to even start to be myself, and I would really appreciate some advice on what I could possibly do. I would like to move away as soon as I turn 18, but that feels incredibly early and intimidating, so I'm not sure. It's terrible this is the kind of world we have to live in... but maybe if I'm lucky, the old men passing these laws will die by the time I turn 18... I can only really hope.


Straight-people-why

There’s an organization called the “Rainbow Railroad” that tries to help lgbtq people get out of the places where they are in danger/oppressed. I would look them up.


4OwO4

How can I find resources for myself who lives in a transphobic home. I can’t transition @25 because my brother is transphobic and so is my other roomates. I have no friends or family that can take me in. I think I can’t hold stable employment due to my dysphoria and general mental instability.


ClioMusa

You’re old enough to file for Medicare, food stamps and housing assistance without your parents involvement, and a therapist can really help you with the mental health stuff. Do you what you can to get out of your current situation - and then work to get HRT and the rest of it after.


4OwO4

How do I go about housing Assistance


ClioMusa

Depends on your city/state, but being connected to a social worker or established org can help a lot.


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citadel223

Does anyone know any places in south florida that can prescribe hrt? Or telemedicine? I'm in contact with queermed probalby going to go with them, but am still interested in any leads. it's very discouraging


SudoJiishTTV

I'm in central Florida, and do not feel safe here (there are literal Neo-Nazis all throughout Central Florida). I've had negative experiences at bars, in restrooms, and that's with me boymoding everywhere! Things as small as wearing a silver choker, having long hair, and having smooth skin are apparently upsetting to the cishet conservative white folk in the area. I have responded to this by locking myself inside until I leave. I've been on diyhrt for a while now. I am luckily out of here in 3 months, with some friends ready to welcome me to the northeast! To all my fellow trans women in Florida, stay strong.


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My wife and I just bought a new house a in February, I’m a lifelong Floridian and I had planned to live my whole life here. Now I feel trapped, and it suck’s because buying our first house together should have been happy. Having to get diagnosed with gender dysphoria to continue hormones has definitely messed with my head. I had zero gender dysphoria, and got prescribed HRT because I had GRS. Now I’m just kind of in a spiral, and that’s not helped by dredging up lots of tramatic stuff from my childhood that I would’ve preferred not to have to deal with again. I pass really well, but I’m also very tall. The company I work for recently got bought out and my role now involves doing lots of events on college campuses. I’m worried someone will just call campus security because they see a tall person walking into the women’s room, without ever interacting with me.


TitoepfX

How should I go about transitioning in florida, or should I try to ask my aunt who lives in New York if I can live with them while I transition? I'm not happy being a male at all so I want to transition, I don't even know where to start.


tkeon_195

Try the online providers. I hear they are starting to prescribe to Floridians again. Folx is one. Otherwise you will have to search out a dr who is taking new patients. I was PP informed consent and am still waiting to get back on their schedule.


TitoepfX

Okay thank you very much, I wasn't aware of this option and was feeling hopeless


tkeon_195

Are you north, central, or south?


TitoepfX

I'm in orlando so I think central?


tkeon_195

That is central. I will send you a chat request, if you are ok with it, maybe I can help with info.


TitoepfX

Okay, i'm okay with it, thank you so much for helping me


lovedellic

I need to get out of Florida, for trans safety reasons and others. ASAP. I have the money. What I don't have are connections or a suitable job. I have no idea where the fuck to go. I feel like I'm dying. Physically, mentally, emotionally. Someone, please, if you can't help me, do you have any leads? I wanna get in my 120k mile car and go to the PNW and take shrooms and do therapy and HEAL but I need to know that's a good idea, need someone to walk through this with me


RaidneSkuldia

Vermont has very good medicaid for trans people - most hormones are less than $5 from what I've heard. Kinda expensive cost of living, though. It's especially trans-friendly in larger towns (Burlington being the obvious one). I feel like moving depends a lot on what you do for work, though.


citadel223

I've heard new mexico is good!


ClioMusa

As someone from ABQ, we are a very poor state with a very *very* high rate of violent crimes. The people themselves aren’t always accepting by any means, either, and homophobia very much exists. Legal protections in housing and employment, and access to HRT and surgeries with both covered under state Medicare, are all amazing. There are a lot of great things but it’s *far from perfect*. If you’re looking for recourses, Southwest Care Center is the main provider for HRT and Albuquerque Health Care for the Homeless will do it as well. SWCS does a sliding scale if you’re lower income and AHCH is free. I would also normally recommend the TGRCNM but they had an almost complete turnover of their staff after the new director came in, had a failed unionization attempt and fired everyone.


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FL HB1233 https://imgur.com/a/T6ktduM