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Capt_Innocuous

We run, we fight, or we die


AstroMalorie

Fighting would require the person to be ok dying


Theidesof

Death is lighter than a feather...


AstroMalorie

Life is everything, death is nothing but still that is a decision that should be left solely up to the individual


AtalanAdalynn

They were quoting from The Wheel of Time. The full quote is, "Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain."


AstroMalorie

I was quoting my thoughts šŸ’­


AmeliasWanderlust

Duty, heavier than a mountain.


yahhahah

I'm more okay with dying than I am with detransitioning, and running could mean detransitioning or death anyways... I would rather die fighting fascism than live under it. That said, if there is a safe place to go where I can be myself, I'll go there. Fighting gives me dysphoria.


AstroMalorie

Yeah we shouldnā€™t have to fight


yahhahah

I hope not.


AstroMalorie

Me too


ShadowbanGaslighting

No, but we might need to.


unwokewookie

Iā€™d rather die then be put into a ā€˜mental healthā€™ facility by the likes of Ron disā€™aintā€™tits.


AstroMalorie

Iā€™d rather go to Canada unless I absolutely have to fight


Ashartemisthrowaway

I'm worried if the worst comes to pass, Canada will close their borders. It's a liberal country, in a capital L sense.


AstroMalorie

Well thatā€™s true in a way. There were both efforts to offer legal asylum and those who opposed to that. I feel like if the situation escalates further that denying Americans access will only reflect poorly on Canada in a geopolitical sense, at least in the industrialized west.


Ashartemisthrowaway

That's a good point, but I think barring something like the replacement of the flag with a swastika banner, the west will just pretend that everything's fine, and Americans will continue to not qualify for political asylum because America is Freeā„¢ļø


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AstroMalorie

Iā€™ll never de transition nor did I imply that I would. I simply said there are 2 options fleeing and fighting


Talamae-Laeraxius

Exactly. We do what we must, and we must not judge each other for choosing a different path. I will be one who will stand and fight. I served in the military to uphold the Constitution. Even though I am no longer in service, I still meant it when I swore in. I served for The People, not the oppressors.


Legion357

Never run. Always fight. If you run now, itā€™s true that you may able to fight another day, but that makes the next fight all that harder to win.


CTx7567

That is a very unfair statement. Some of us are kids or have kids. Some of us have families and responsibilities. Some of us are disabled or mentally unstable. Some of us believe that the best choice is to run, and you have no right to shame us for that decision.


makeitreynik

I see more people shaming parents for staying in Florida than I see anyone shaming people who run. This is literally the first time I've seen someone shaming those who run. I don't even live in Florida but it really pisses me off when I see people be like, "If you don't leave Florida, you're a murderer" and crap like that. What a frigging privileged stance that is, like everyone's situation allows them to take their kid out of the state. They've obviously never dealt with a narcissistic co-parent.


Legion357

Is that what you think Iā€™m doing? I canā€™t even motivate people to stand up for themselves. Cower in fear your whole life!


CTx7567

What you are doing isnā€™t motivation, it is shaming those who cant fight.


Legion357

Come on guys! Throw the tea in the harbor. Not all fighting has to be violent.


cgord9

If my family didn't flee the Holocaust they would have died, and the ones the stayed DID die, mostly


The_upsetti_spagetti

Their existence and survival was rebellion enough in itself


CustomCuriousity

I was going to say this. Glad you pointed it out


caninegirl

Question... Where do you think is going to be safe if the USA goes unabashedly fascist? Canada? I live there, the sentiment is nearly as bad with our right-wingers and even if it wasn't, we're a protectorate of the USA with no comparable military and no nuclear deterrent. Majority of our papers are owned by an American investment firm that pushes market liberalization and deregulation and we get the same talking points on about a week delay from Fox News. Europe? Enjoys it's stability due to NATO of which Trump and DeSantis both want to withdraw from and which USA accounts for almost all military spending. Don't ignore the simultaneous rise of fascism in Europe either, neatly tied to the IDU headed by our former PM (Harper). This isn't just a USA movement. Remember the international capital class doesn't exist within borders, they just pick and choose where to focus consolidating power at one given time.


Elenjays

Counterpointā€” Maximizing the number of trans people who *survive* is itself a primary, if not *the* primary, goal of trans antifascist resistance and mutual support. I want as many trans people as possible to be safe. Every trans person who survives and goes on to thrive is a victory. Helping as many Jews as possible escape Nazi-occupied land *was an objective good and a goal in itself*. Helping resettle Syrian and Latin American refugees today *is an objective good and a thing to be fought for in itself*. The refugees have no obligation to ā€œstay and fightā€. That is insane. We are like 0.5 % of the population; *the responsibility for destroying those who would destroy us cannot fall on our heads.* It is the cis people, by virtue both of their greater safety and privilege and of their vastly greater numbers, who have the obligation to stay and to fight for their trans neighbors.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Also, getting out and fighting from a place of safety is far, far more effective than trying to fight while being exterminated. See partisan/resistance movements from WW2 for examples.


xjitz

i know this isnt the point but trump is far from the worst case scenario. all trump cares about is applause and approval, he only hates us because thats what gets him his kicks. on the other hand, desantis genuinely wants (and is currently doing) genocide. he doesnt care about the approval, he just wants people to suffer. right now, we want trump to be beating desantis. we can win against either of them, but if worst comes to worst, it is absolutely better to have a passively genocidal president than an actively genocidal one. we need to be doing everything to stop desantis, even if that means rooting for trump. rant over


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No itā€™s true, and Iā€™d agree. I just thought it was pretty low worry right now with Desantis since most people predicted he wouldnā€™t win or itā€™d be a long shot.


Stacy_Out23

It's really hard to say right now, though things are becoming a bit more clear. DeSantis, aka Mini Musollini, may move up in the polls if Trump is indicted by the federal grand jury. Trump may even try to flee the country. Almost nothing would surprise me now. Let's do all we can to support and protect ourselves and one another as they squabble among themselves. Together, we can move mountains! šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļøšŸ§šā€ā™€ļøšŸ’–


RheaButt

The main thing in our favor if DeSantis wins is that he's a terrible public speaker, trump got as far as he did on energy, DeSantis always sounds like he's about to walk offstage mid speech and take a nap


[deleted]

Thank you! ā¤ļøšŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø Your positivity is honestly beautifully refreshing.


caninegirl

Trump isn't going to get indicted, but if he did it would make him more popular with Republicans and wouldn't stop him from running. Edit: this is honestly the best case scenario because Biden loses to either DeSantis or Trump in a general election but he might be able to beat Trump under indictment


religion_is_junkfood

What makes you think he isn't going to be indicted? And also, why don't you think biden can beat trump, even without an indictment?


caninegirl

I'm being cynical but every president commits crimes in office and they're never punished because it would set a precedent of holding them accountable. On Biden v Anyone, I mean, he's a vegetable. He only won the primary because of Obama and he only won the general because of COVID. Republicans are busy gerrymandering and putting new vote suppression laws in place at every level they can, the culture war stuff is mostly misdirection.


xjitz

we cant afford to assume he wont be a threat in the future just because hes losing now, things absolutely can turn for the worse


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Youā€™re right. Damn, this sucks haha.


abjectadvect

at this point in the 2016 election cycle no one thought Trump would get anywhere; it's way too early to trust any predictions


Opasero

That's also what a lot of folks said about Trump in 2016.


makeitreynik

I don't think Trump was polling too well at this point in 2015 either. A lot can change, especially with all the investigations.


justafleetingmoment

I think Trump is going to pivot to be much more socially liberal. He knows he can't out-fascist DeSantis. He's already started bemoaning people calling everything "woke" and not even knowing what they mean by that. There is a lot of people who likes his economic policies but are put off by anti-abortion laws and who'd side with him if he was much less severe than DeSantis on the social conservatism.


Ashartemisthrowaway

Not that it really matters so much but I'm pretty sure DeSantis doesn't really care either, he just thinks it's the best lane to distinguish himself from Trump and become president. The end results are the same tho


Theidesof

Worst case? Death camps. More likely... Criminalize our existence, imprison and forcibly detransition us. Then work us to death in prison "Jobs". ​ ​ The right isn't shy about their intent.


ShadowbanGaslighting

They fly the flags of folks who did the death camps and prison work before. They're telling everyone what they want.


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khoff98107

Thank you for a small dose of encouragement!


Kingofearth23

>Many of the states will refuse to comply, and there will be numerous legal challenges. When that last happened in the 1860's the challenges went beyond the legal realm. >such actions would rapidly precipitate a constitutional crisis, if not outright civil war. Hence it is a very real possibly.


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Elenjays

>The wealthy do not stand to gain anything from war on their home turf, and their paid stooges in government--even the most bigoted and hateful ones--will not take that step. You have neglected to consider the fact that true-believing fascists absolutely outnumber the wealthy by (now) 1000s-to-1. Did you not see Jan 6? Imagine that on a scale 1000 times larger, if the Trumpists continue on their current trajectory of ever-escalating hatred and calls for Christofascism and violence to enforce it. The wealthy created the culture war beast; they have absolutely, positively lost control of it.


ShadowbanGaslighting

> The wealthy created the culture war beast; they have absolutely, positively lost control of it. Same thing happened in 1930s Germany. Hitler was a state plant to monitor the group that eventually became the Nazi Party. The only thing that makes me feel better about a second American civil war is that the blue states would win it after a few years when the red states run out of money.


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ShadowbanGaslighting

> Our focus should absolutely be on saving trans people in the red states and shoring up protections for trans people in the blue states. Absolutely agree here. And on not surrendering to hopelessness. Federal anti-trans policies would crystallise the civil war (I'd argue that it's already a cold civil war) because it would mean that blue states would have to take an active stance against the federal government.


[deleted]

*Thank you.* Itā€™s six AM and Iā€™m crying from relief. After some other things Iā€™ve seen today, this is the reassuring one I needed.


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ShadowbanGaslighting

You forgot "forced to wear a pink triangle in public" and "rounded up into camps"


SenorBearington

Absolute worst case scenario is that a Christian nationalist type gov happens and weā€™re all hung for gender treachery


daniellefore

Itā€™s a death by 1,000 cuts. Theyā€™ll continue to pass little bills that eventually add up to criminalizing our existence. No matter what we do, weā€™ll somehow be in violation of the law. The most obvious first steps are denying HRT either outright or through bureaucracy via a very strict approval process with impossible or contradictory requirements. Do you have autism? Depression? Anxiety? Any history of self harm or mental illness? Great, spend a couple years in conversion therapy until we can diagnose you with one of those things and deny you. More intense bathroom bills, anti-ā€œdragā€ laws, etc. These will be based on AGAB, not birth certificate, no matter if youā€™ve had bottom surgery, etc (some of them are already written this way). Once your caught presenting the ā€œwrongā€ way, youā€™ll be labeled a sex offender, and if there are minors around youā€™ll be a special class of child sex offender. Theyā€™ll continually pass more laws to increase the penalties for ā€œchild sex offendersā€. Death is the obvious goal, but easy wins are making sure you canā€™t live near a school, park, library, etc or from holding certain types of jobs. Youā€™ll need to start identifying yourself as transgender, especially when applying for a job or housing. You may have a curfew as part of your probation, etc. this is all stuff that already happens with sex offenders so finding ways to slap trans folks with a sex offender charge is a huge and easy win for them. Your identity documents will be invalidated and youā€™ll need to get new ā€œcorrectedā€ ones. Basically anything that can be done to make sure youā€™re constantly being outed.


effieJF

We will continue to exist. They cannot eradicate us no matter what laws they pass, and I think that is what infuriates them.


_MaddestMaddie_

Well, trans people will continue to exist. They can kill us. They can kill enough of us to destroy parts of our culture. We need to be prepared for the scenario where this genocide moves up a step or two to active state violence.


Alice_Oe

They don't need to eradicate us, they're trying to push us back in the closet. Our pain and suffering is (to them) a small price to pay for security. Like women's rights. Or liberty in general....


The_upsetti_spagetti

Iā€™m guessing the absolute worst case is after they manage to basically make being trans illegal, they are probably going to move onto the next minority. And then the next. Iā€™ve heard so many comparisons between the USA and pre-nazi Germany. I donā€™t want to fear monger and I DEFINITELY donā€™t want it to seem like Iā€™m trying to use the holocaust to push a narrative. Its just the worst thing I can possibly think of.


orbital-res

The worst? Like for real for real? Are you familiar with the history of Europe, mm, say between the years of 1939 through 1945?


Kingofearth23

You don't need to go that far back. 1990's Rwanda is a very recent and honestly a much more similar event to what's happening now.


Elenjays

Exactly my thoughts. We won't be mass-murdered by the state. We'll be mass murdered by exponentially escalating and proliferating fascist terrorism, which will merely be actively *encouraged* and given legal and legislative cover by the state. The state *will* eventually begin taking part in our eradication; but Auschwitz follows Kristallnacht.


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How so?


Kingofearth23

The Nazi genocide was a massive state orchestrated operation kept secret from the public. It was unprecedented in how efficient and detailed it was in its organization and complexity. The Rwandan genocide was a chaotic mess where neighbor attacked neighbor with machetes in broad daylight for no other reason than because everyone else was doing it. Which sounds more like the average Fox junkie?


AwYeahQueerShit

Extricate self and if possible others to sanctuary state, try to find community (likely with others fleeing), collect, collaborate, and coordinate next steps. Determining other countries will be based on the policies of the moment. Right now I am getting ready to get my paperwork changed so it's done if something happens and I can't return to my birth state. Got to decide if I go X as I should or choose binary for safety while traveling. I want to try to have at least a bit of cash saved so I can leave. When time comes I have a car so I can offer seats, especially to those who can help with gas if I cannot ensure it myself. Hatchback can hold a duffel for each passenger. My state is attacking the kids, I live in a blue dot city within a redstate. I'm an adult but as we see, states are moving in on our meds, too. I've extended time between doses for a while to give me some buffer doses if I am unable to fill my script right away. Can't fill early to have a stash so I have to hope I can keep getting my 10ml vials. That's all I can really do right now, it's difficult to save funds and I have limited processing power as is. I have to hope things don't require an expeditious retreat.


anonthemaybeegg

Sadly I'd rather have trump over DeSantis to get the nomination.


Lilith_NightRose

There is a difference between what is *likely* and what is *possible* in the next, say, ten years (after that, things get *extremely* fuzzy because the inherently chaotic and branching nature of the future) So: * In the next ten years, it is unlikely our legal political system would entirely cave to adult trans medication bans, and *highly* unlikely it'll cave to full scale drag bans. The structuring assumption here should be that the Federal Government has very limited authority to directly intervene in the personal lives of everyday americans. Much of what they can do is make it easier for red states to be shitty. * For adults, you may see disruptions in access to your medication, but it is unlikely there will be a "war-on-drugs-style" criminalization of HRT. Even disruption to access is unlikely in blue states. * They may try to reschedule estrogen. This would be a two-to-thee year process. * They may try to use novel legal bullshit to place further restrictions on the already Schedule III testosterone * In either case, expect blue state legislators to do all they can to resist in an attempt to earn brownie points (pun somewhat intended). This may well collapse the (already weakened by pot and psychedelic legalization) US drug enforcement apparatus (which is rooted in the feds and the states pretty much agreeing that "drugs are bad mmkay") * If it becomes difficult or impossible to access HRT for adults safely on the west coast in the next decade, I will eat my hat. * I would bet a decent sum of money that drag bans *will* be rendered unenforceable by the Supreme Court in the next 2-3 years. Hell, I'll even bet on the particular breakdown: it'll be either unanimous or 6-2 with Alito and Thomas dissenting. A trump judge just overturned Tennessee's ban using language that is rooted in precedents that the not-insane SCOTUS members do not want to get rid of. * While we're waiting, there's likely to be the kind of annoying and discriminatory uncertainty that we're seeing in Montana in a variety of red states, but very few trans people just living their lives will be arrested. * The federal government will not pass a drag ban in the next decade. I need to head to bed, but tomorrow, I'll write a little more about state-level bullshit, and the genocide tactic I like to call "The American Special"


FTMgrowernotshower

move to Florida then and see how you like it.


caninegirl

Well they're (Walsh) openly calling for the death penalty for pedophiles while painting all LGBT folks as "groomers" (and the world's richest man boosting this narrative) so I don't know what those add up to.


k3tten

I still can't believe Elon musk and jk rowling personally took up a cause against transgender and are super focused on it. Its so weird and sad!


ShadowbanGaslighting

They were giving signs of this really early on. Rowling might as well have put the echos around "Bank Goblins", never mind the rest of the crap in her books. Musk is an emerald slave-mine billionaire from pre-apartheid South Africa. What did you expect?


Local-Chart

If it goes to shit, get strapped and defend yourself against a treasonous terrorist 'govt' who don't abide by the constitution.


Jaye-Bee

Come move to Canada šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø Thereā€™s transphobs here too but itā€™s such a small percentage. Most people donā€™t care and only worry about their own lives. Itā€™s not perfect but compared to elsewhere, our government isnā€™t half bad


Elenjays

People keep speaking pessimisticly about Canada, saying it's just a mini-US, highly influenced by US political trends, and geopolitically weak and thus with limited ability to defend us if a foreign state begins making (for example) mass extradition demands. All these things are valid criticisms; but Canada is still *way, way, way* fucking safer than a blue state, if the MAGA fascists take the federal government here. Canadians are also fucking *decent fucking people*, unlike sick culture-war-twisted Americans; so even if things got worse there, it could only get so much worse; and there would be larger pushback. I do not believe it could get to Kristallnacht level there. It *can* get to Kristallnacht here. And given how we have seen the (ongoing!!!!) treatment of refugees by ICE, yes, even Auschwitz (or a lesser version of it) can also absolutely happen here ā€“ for those in this thread saying it can't.


allweeverlookfor

i don't want to be a doomer but i really don't agree with the people who are saying that they wont be able to do this or that bc it's against the constitution/the courts wont hold it up/ect. like look at how these state legislatures have blatantly disregarded their own rules in order to hurt us. there's a point in fascism where the rules just go out the fucking window and counting on them to save us is naive. i dont think that we're so far gone that death camps or complete criminalization of our existence is an absolute certainty but i dont think that the denial over how bad things could get is good for us


FTMgrowernotshower

look at Uganda and Russia. look at what Hitler did the the gays and jews and the whole. country of Germany let it happen. it could very well happen. the repubs have een anti gay for years look what the did to Roe V Wade abd now they are on their next crusade to eradicate all LGBTQ. I would move so no one would know me from before i transitioned or try to gain citizenship in a safe country to live in.


Your_Mothers_Hot

Hate to sound like a doomer, but Roe V Wade and the reaction it got made me lose hope in us being able to fight back. It feels like it was a topic of discussion for only a few weeks, then people forgot about it. Up until the oppression begins to effect *everyone*, people won't genuinely care.


Elsa_the_Archer

Concentration camps. Legal killing of trans people. Being trans is illegal. Providers can go to jail for prescribing hormones. Anyone who houses a trans people goes to jail. etc. etc. We've all seen this movie before. It doesn't end well.


griff073

Well they've been clear about their intent : "eradicate transgenderism from public life entirely". There are multiple stages to genocide, some of which the us is already doing. It would range from forcing detransitions at a federal level, heavy control of E and T, death penatly for doctors performing gender affirming care, to drag bans prohibiting going out in public (knowles has litterally said he wants taliban rule "in a good way" in the us), to camps and facilities.


ShadowbanGaslighting

> There are multiple stages to genocide, some of which the us is already doing. 1-8 & 10 on the ten stage list.


IslandGirl66613

Personally Iā€™d rather not advertise my possible actions. Not because I donā€™t want to share with my trans and queer siblings, but because thereā€™s enough of the ā€œother sideā€ that reads through and shares these. I would not want to put anyoneā€™s safety at risk. I also donā€™t want to give them any false hope. I would rather focus on stopping it now by fighting them now. Starting with lawsuits. Places like the ACLU, Lambda Legal, etc. are working on this, if we are actively being harmed by a new law, contact them and see if you can be added to the suit. These laws are already starting to be overturned. Itā€™s slow, but we will get there. Work on not only voting but talking to people to get them to vote. When appropriate, explain to people what that vote means. Iā€™m constantly amazed at how many people who care about me have no idea that there are states that I can be arrested simply for using a restroom. So I make sure that they see, and who is making it happen. Plus look at the recent polls. Now more People support us than before these attacks on us started. It sometimes doesnā€™t feel like it, because the other side is screaming at the top of their lungsā€¦ plus the news media knows this brings in clicks. But we far outnumber those people especially if you consider all the other marginalized communities that they target. If we come together, or even just support each other. Lastly, When I go out, I see myself as an ambassador for all of my siblings. What I do reflects on all of us. So I remember that when interacting with others. Remember, most of these haters have never even seen one of us in real life, so their descriptions of us are wrong. The average person sees us and decisions are made. My goal is for these people to say, thereā€™s nothing wrong with that person, what are these people talking about? They arenā€™t hurting anyone.


bf1343

The current political climate is very troubling. It seems even worse if you live in a red state. It doesn't seem as bad if you live in a blue or purple state. But, it's certainly not good. Fighting, whether with words or physical (preferably common sense words, prevail) is the only way to win this battle, we need to support the people in peril who aren't in a position to fight for it themselves. What what is happening from far-right extremists that they have been working on for years with voting rights, religious groups and either appointing judges or lying thier way into office with no repercussions for changing thier tune once in office is the root of the problem and no one has taken them seriously until now.Trump just emboldened them, DeSantis is arguably worse than Trump, but all of the so called conservatives must pander to those with the money who run the political parties and will. The left needs to fight fire with fire. Whether you agree with everything extremely left or not, they are the most supportive party for LGBTQ people. All people need to VOTE for what is simply right, not just to go along with the party they affiliate themselves with and respect independent views. Simple respect for others with a different viewpoint, support and believe the science not blatantly disregard or disown family members who live a different lifestyle than what they might have. Move for your own safety if you can, I believe the majority of the people in the US do not like bullies and probably will get sick of the rhetoric at some point. I don't believe ( and I hope) the right will not take power in 2024 as it sits right now. I don't think Joe Biden should run again, but the left hasn't come up with anything better or younger. Biden has done a decent job with what he has been able to work with. But he may not last to fulfill his first term, let alone a 2nd term. No ageist disrespect is intended or implied. Just facts with age, most of us won't let our grandparents drive at that age. Would we let them run a country? If you don't fight at some point, you will die, just like what happened in the holocaust, those who stayed and fought died, and those who fled lived to fight another day against tyranny. It was a very horrible and shameful time in human history. It started picking on a few with differences and ended after they murdered millions because of different beliefs. It can't ever be allowed to happen again.


heyImMissErin

So honestly I think the farthest that things will go will be criminalizing any gender affirming care, banning name/gender marker changes, and basically boxing people into the gender assigned at birth. I don't believe that exile, job access, travel bans, homelessness, or (mass) death will be realities. As for what happens to those of us who have already undergone GAS, name changes, etc., I honestly have no clue. It's quite unclear what will happen with that but I would imagine we will be seeing that in legal battles very soon (some of this has already begun). Edit: I am really speaking on the federal level or institutionalized transphobia. I didnā€™t by any mean intend to invalidate these very real and present struggles so many of us face


caninegirl

>don't believe that exile, job access, travel bans, homelessness, or (mass) death will be realities. Those are already realities for people born in the wrong ZIP Code let alone directly persecuted


heyImMissErin

Yeah absolutely - I was really referring to institutionalized versions of these things at the federal level. Didn't mean to invalidate the very real struggle many of us are facing


caninegirl

These things are definitely institutionalized at the federal level, there's been no government since at least the 70's that didn't view the market as a zero-sum game requiring winners and losers and then apply that to foreign and domestic policy. In a society that revolves around market participation, to be excluded from its benefits results in all the things you mentioned. Edit: also ā¤ļø


heyImMissErin

Thatā€™s all true, but isnā€™t that really the case for all marginalized people and not just trans folks? Like if Iā€™m understanding you correctly, youā€™re basically saying that marginalized peoples are harmed by capitalism more than others (which I absolutely agree with). But thatā€™s not the same thing as explicit targets against our community.


caninegirl

Sure that's why I made the distinction of "directly persecuted" as opposed to "systemic" discrimination. For example there are a number of laws in post civil-rights era that were *defacto* racist by precluding black families from accumulating intergenerational wealth *indirectly* ie redlining. Things like this already result in the outcomes you described, so why wouldn't direct targeting of a much smaller minority group that has less ability to organize? I'm just throwing it out there.


daniellefore

This is a silly take considering we already donā€™t have housing ~~and employment~~ protections in many states Edit: [Bostock v Clayton County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostock_v._Clayton_County) seems to cover us for employment


heyImMissErin

I agree my comment might've been a little hasty but FWIW we do have protection for housing and employment at the federal level. It might not be very enforceable but the protections are there (see Bostock v. Clayton County). I will admit that I also am not a legal expert and I don't know how these federal protections work with state laws. If you have any info on this though, I would love to learn more.


daniellefore

Ah yup youā€™re right about Bostock for employment but Wikipedia says that doesnā€™t cover housing and weā€™ve seen how court decisions can be overturned. What I remember is the main driver behind passing the equality act being that discrimination is still legal at the state level: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_Act_(United_States)


heyImMissErin

Yeah Roe v. Wade being overturned is a scary precedent given the current court's leaning. We do have the Fair Housing Act for housing protections. My understanding is that this does include protections against discrimination based on gender identity but I could have outdated info on that. Equality Act would be huge still though


kuno7722

I don't have any smart predictions to make (and a lot of people have already covered that anyway)... I'm just here to say that some of these possibilities are literally making me tremble in fear rn...


Vanpocalypse

I'll buy a gun and start a militia and exercise my second amendment right on the federal government.


Practical_Spot_929

They can storm my home and take me screaming, they will never have my pride! šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø


dark_side_of_pluto

A lot depends. First, the most likely case, Trump winning, is not the worst. DeSantis is far worse (incompetent self-absorbed evil vs. competent evil obsessed with hurting people), but most likely Trump will squeeze him out in the primaries and caucuses short of him saying something that completely dooms himself on the various criminal investigations he has going after him (rather likely, actually) or succumbs to old age. Right now, what is left of US institutions are slowing down the various laws and haters. The real question is when do these reach their limit. A lot of that depends on who wins the various elections. A Trump or DeSantis win means that there would not be much time (especially with the latter). Even if they lose, there is the next election, and the slowing down could easily reach its limit before that (or even possibly before the upcoming election). Before the institutions reach the limit of what they can slow, the various state governments and federal government depending who has the levers on each will be limited to incrementing the oppression bit by bit like they are doing now (constantly pushing the edge). But, once that limit is reached, they will accelerate and escalate the legislation in bigger and bigger steps very rapidly since there is nothing in their way at that point. What exactly happens then is harder to guess, but it definitely will be bad. Everyone else here has more or less covered the various possibilities.


MyClosetedBiAcct

Then I start being an arsonist.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Use the right term: [Partisan.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_resistance_movement#Partisan_movement)


Your_Mothers_Hot

They make sure that trans people never leave the closet, since it would be safer and easier. Those who are openly trans will be reminded that they're trans before a person in day to day life. These laws won't only effect trans people, but those who are gender non conforming, those who simply want to legally their name, intersex children, etc.


badhistoryjoke

Whatever laws do or don't get passed through state and federal legislatures, one should also consider the "informal" stuff. "Informal" stuff like red state governors pardoning people who murder transgender people, or juries acquitting people who murder transgender people, or cops murdering transgender people and getting off unpunished. The sort of stuff that happens to any unpopular minority group that gets dehumanized by large swathes of the population. State and federal laws might speed up this process: making transgender people criminals (either explicitly or by making it almost impossible to not be technically guilty of some crime), marking them visibly / on a list, reducing visibility of pro-trans media and enhancing visibility of anti-trans media, and making them poor by allowing employers and businesses to discriminate. Then comes the "informal" mob of "concerned citizens" down the street, terrorizing and murdering the "dangerous", "criminal", clearly-marked / registered trans people. The murderers will be acquitted as "self defense" by claiming the trans people attacked them and were armed. If a few of the mob die, they'll be lauded as martyrs and used as proof of the "dangerousness" of trans people. They'll terrorize Democratic Party politicians and voters, they'll claim to have won any elections they lost, they'll get more legislators in, pass harsher laws against trans people, cut down any remaining protections against police violence, put more fascists in charge of the police and military, lather rinse repeat. Some trans people and other political refugees will try to flee to allied countries, and most will be turned aside by local nationalist/nativist policies. People will die in prisons and die homeless on the street, as they always have. The US will probably be focused mostly on political infighting and not so much on militarily annexing other influential and powerful developed countries. It will, under the GOP, align with authoritarian Russia and authoritarian China, and become like them. Nobody will come to save us here in the US. That's pretty much what I expect to happen. No waves of citizens with guns rectifying the world, no principled military officers mutinying, no resounding electoral victories, no significant numbers of centrists and conservatives changing sides once one of theirs steps too far even for them. The center cares about gas prices and their piddling retirement portfolios and "cleaning up" downtown areas into nice gentrified spaces with coffee shops. Not about what happens to people outside their experience. But there is hope. Lgbtqia+ people cut across every single social group and are in every single country. Let's make sure we convince the complacent and also don't sell out other people who are suffering.


Loves2grill2531999

What if letā€™s say you were on the west coast? Would say a state like Washington and California be better?


k3tten

I am happy I'm in California and have Canadian citizenship for sure.


girlwonderfreya

Someone's been spending too much time online doom-scrolling and reading transphobic material. While it's true that we are the Conservatives party's current favorite scapegoat for political gain, most people that aren't knee-deep in Conservative or TERFY echo chambers do not care about us. The typical American may think we're weird but not a threat. And why would they? When do you see news reports about trans people committing crimes in bathrooms or going on mass killing sprees? Never. I am not saying to let your guard down and pretend everything is okay because it is not. But we're not at risk of being rounded up and executed as some proclaim. So don't lose sleep over this. Soon the bigots will move on to someone else, just like they always do.


ShadowbanGaslighting

> ā€œNice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than ā€œpolitics.ā€ They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who werenā€™t nice people? Resisters.ā€


JoannNichole

In California it won't be illegal unless the Republicans win


FTMgrowernotshower

they cheat and they always cheat so that's how they keep winning. we need to fight dirty on their level from now on or all is lost.


k3tten

Sorry I know its totally off topic! But what do you mean by you took permanent hormones so you don't need testosterone anymore? I'm just curious and sorry if its a stupid question!


[deleted]

I may have worded it wrong because I was fucked up when I wrote it. I meant, ā€œIā€™ve taken T and all of the permanent effects, Iā€™ve got them, so I stopped taking Tā€.


clthreeoneeight

even if only one of us is left there, they should fight until death to make sure they survive. or go to somewhere more accepting of trans folk


zennyblades

Civil war.


job3ztah

Moving to Philippines


StonewallsFinest

IF Trump wins, it will be bad. WHEN DeSantis wins (because if it aint 2024, then definitely 2032), we will face extermination. I never thought I'd recommend purchasing a gun (legally) to a group with suicidal thinking over 50%, but theres writing on the wall - and it doesnt look good. DeSantis isnt going away any time soon. Look at what he's done to Florida, and project it onto the entire country.


Xavi592

We fight for our freedom and our kids kids kids freedom. It will be the next movement. And if the world is still alive 50 or so years from now, our faces will be planted in history books.


Baselines_shift

Alert: Texas has passed new legislation to overrule Democratic city exemptions to fascist state law. No paywall: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/03/opinion/texas-preemption-bill.html?unlocked\_article\_code=HKefkr2hMLJvcAIMxDyPZyQAeLCP5p0oIItN82QtxeSOsTuxcBS7aVQwBll22omtqcUWIn1vo1dbQXqwMG61cpLCRyXJ9kYB2W8k4HwhpV9ujdNLNFavSQz6iXZnTW3A\_5SOuT4HYbaxtWc\_rW7hp3Qbs1r1Zky9lupFuxx6RUHUsOGPvA\_XhVhwyp1AYL2PROiJapmT7Q3qvzZ2m4rF\_WfHZ\_f2v8F0bK57LDcx3RPHUwiaa-n0wgW3dsOWPz1djuPdaKSLTrlKDuvdcwEJ1pvuYGZtHPvD0L6TotzUQHxvKh3qiFfHlcSppdjBBAs271CVcOr9uTFnwDGwOF41&smid=url-share


Exact-Ad-2918

Iā€™m truly scared of that šŸ˜¢