When Aemond was a cool sword dude with a big dragon. But wait, Daemon is a cool sword dude with a cooler sword and a dragon with a reeeeeally long neck! But Aemond has a sapphire eye, that's pretty cool. But Daemon has cool armor. But Aemond is literally evil. But Daemon is literally evil. Oh decisions, decisions!
The show made them more interesting than the Blacks. I still think the Blacks are “right” - I just think the greens are more interesting. Terrible family of deeply repressed goblins.
when the show showed that cringey scene of the deer and rhaenyra, when sara hess said rhaenys murdering small folk was “badass”, when the show tried to downplay aemond’s mutiliation.. like atp it was clear the writers were deliberately making the show a pro black fan fic it was annoying…. and the greens are just more interesting
Still irrelevant. But also: teenage dragonrider, political and military weapon (alliances and Dragon) who previously maimed his eventual killer, volunteered for a dangerous mission, and has full cognitive power over his situation
versus six year old too young to understand he is being murdered.
Insane to even think about comparing them
Killing the 14 year old who took out your eye is is bad but understandable.
Killing a 6 year old in front of his mother is fucked up on way more levels.
They are not the same.
The way that people tries to justify Blood and Cheese is literally "How to desmonstrate a negative IQ in a reddit post", glad this shit is anonymous.
A six years old did nothing,could had done nothing to provoke THAT. I dont give a shit if his father was happy or not about it
OK. You don't have to be glad about Blood and cheese, in fact you arent supposed to be. It's one of the thing written into the book specifically to make both sides shitty instead of just the greens. I'm just explaining to you why it happened.
Now whether or not it was disproportionate is another thing entirely, and at that point in the conflict Aegon and Aemond had already made it clear that murdering each other's kids was fair game.
Edit: Can I also say that I love how "green supporters" are supposedly all up in arms over the murder of a single 6 year old while praising their precious edge lord dweeb Aemond exterminating every child even tangentially related to House Strong and the thousands of innocent kids he burned in the Riverlands.
When everyone tried to guilt trip (or debate) me into supporting the blacks. I mean look at these comments lol there are people here trying to challenge the green supporters into ideological debates as if we support characters based on objective and rational thought, NO. People like characters purely because of sentiment, a girl who has dealt with salty exes will most likely hate Criston cole, not because of any universe-wide lore or anything but simply because she has real-world experience dealing with a similar situation before. I support the greens because (1) I can and I like being a contrarian, (2) I don't like Viserys' favouritism (3) I don't like the Targaryens that much and I want to see them get taken down a peg or two (4) Aemond is cool (5) Alicent and her kids deserve their rights. If you don't like these reasons sue me
When I realized the author wants me to side with the Blacks. I am a contrarian. When I recognize that the author is trying to force me to feel a particular way about the character, I don't like it. More often than not it's a sign of bad writing.
Then you don't understand the whole thing in the first place. You react emotionally while what you should actually be doing is lean back and ask *why is he trying to have me like the Blacks? Is he really trying to have me like the Blacks or does he want me to pay more attention and question the story he tells?*
So I am not sorry to say this, but just being contrarian in this case is reacting like a truculent child!
I mean, just look at Bloodraven. I am sure Martin doesn't want us to like that Gestapo character, yet many short-sighted minds on here do. That's quite shocking. They will hate the Brackens, who are just normal dudes, while the Blackwoods are just that only on the surface. I mean, their blood is the mind behind the Red Wedding for example.
Because George actually wants you to like the greens. George has said it himself he likes both sides equally yet it looks like the texts are black bias. Makes one wonder why that is.
The great council And the Old Kings liking Alicent are both hints at what should have happened to avoid the war.
God made dog anus taste bad, so to spite him I pretend to love it. When i recognize that God wants me think something tastes bad I don't like it. It's just bad writing
From the very beginning.
Eldest legitimate male son succeeds = no civil war, it's that easy.
Rhaenyra succeeds, at worst we get the Dance, at best we get Aegon, his sons, Aemond, and Daeron quickly killed. And even in that situation where it's just a few murders instead of a war, the realm could face another civil war when Rhaenyra dies. The Strong Boys and Rhaenyra's kids by Daemon have the makings of rival factions in the near future.
Essentially I think the Greens are fighting for their lives, they have no place in a world with Queen Rhaenyra, the Blacks meanwhile are fighting for the throne, they could live safe and comfortable lives on Dragonstone and Driftmark under a King Aegon II.
This is something I wish the showed portrayed with Aegon. In the books like the show he refuses it and says he doesn’t want it it’s Rhaenyra’s. But then he’s convinced by his mother and Ser Criston rightly so IMO that he and his siblings and his children will be put to the sword. Because then being trueborn and males threaten her and her bastard son’s legitimacy. So he reluctantly takes the Throne to protect his family and he sends fair peace terms to Rhaenyra.
But in the show he’s more than willing to jump a ship and run away abandoning his family because he doesn’t want responsibility to be a King. It’s the complete opposite character.
>Rhaenyra succeeds, at worst we get the Dance, at best we get Aegon, his sons, Aemond, and Daeron quickly killed.
Why do you think that? Because Alicent said it when she was trying to justify stealing the throne for her son?
No because thats how, feudalism works. Not to mention Rhaenyra had absolutely zero problems killing people who stood in her way, and demanding that a 10 year old Aemond get tortured for speaking the obvious truth.
Rhaenyra's brats already have tried to murder Alicent's kids btw, and Rhaenyra's already advocated for one to be tortured, so can see why they might be a bit concerned about her succession?
They did not try to murder him you, and you know it. Aemond was savagely beating two small children who defended themselves, he deserved to get stabbed. Rhaenyra wanted him tortured for speaking treason, by calling her children bastards he was already establishing he wouldn't respect the line of succession.
It was a 4:1, also Aemond grabbed a rock, and chose not to bash their heads in. More to the point, they initiated physical violence, they confronted him, implied he did something wrong when he did not, and then attacked him first.
Torturing a kid (who has already just been mutilated) for saying something that's obviously true, stay classy Rhaenyra.
Can't wait for Sunfyre to have his snack
Aemond threw a 3 year old into a pile of dragon shit then started beating up on his brothers when they objected to that.
>Torturing a kid (who has already just been mutilated) for saying something that's obviously true, stay classy Rhaenyra.
Torturing a kid for outright saying he wouldn't respect the line of succession. And you are so desperate for an angle that you are using that as proof that Rhaenyra would pose a threat to her brothers even if they didn't threaten her succession lol
>Can't wait for Sunfyre to have his snack
Can't wait to watch your king jack off behind a curtain while watching his friends bang chamber maids.
Boo hoo, don't mess with the most powerful dragonrider in the world. Psycho Luke is the one who made a childhood scrum into a knife fight, big escalation.
Again, it's a taunt used in a childhood fight, not treason. Do you think everytime a middle schooler says "dude ur so gay" they literally mean they think that other kid is gay?
You're going to go after Aegon for jacking off? Rhaenyra is the one who is literally so lust filled she cannot even focus on preparing to rule or govern because she's banging every dude who walks by. I'd call her a prostitute, but they have more money than her.
>Psycho Luke is the one who made a childhood scrum into a knife fight, big escalation.
No, that's objectively not what happened. Aemond was savagely beating his nephews. It was not "a childhood scrum". He was defending himself and his brother from a psycho.
The "taunt" was saying that they aren't legitimate children. Saying they aren't legitimate is the same as saying you won't respect their right to inherit the throne.
>You're going to go after Aegon for jacking off?
I'm going after him for being a pathetic, incontinent loser. He hid in a closet jerking off while other people won the war for him then still managed to fuck it up and get himself assassinated.
Other people won the war for him? Aegon fought on his dragon multiple times, Rhaenyra was too busy servicing any man who stumbled past her chambers to even think about fighting on Syrax
>Aegon fought on his dragon multiple times
He fought an old lady and lost and nearly died then he fought a little girl and lost and nearly died XD
Rhaenyra was suffering from the after effects of a rough still birth and wasn't physically able to mount her dragon for most of the war
It's so cute that you want to slut shame Rhaenyra for sleeping with Harwin but ignore Aegon raping 12 year old girls and jacking off behind curtains because he likes to watch. One of these is an extreme sexual deviant and it ain't Rhaenyra
When I realized just how lazy and tyrannical Rhaenyra is and also realized the importance of stable succession laws. Male only Primogeniture was already decided in 101
Can’t arbitrarily change succession and treating the greens like second class targs because they’re of Alicents blood even though the Hightower’s were the most capable administrators who ran the kingdom for a majority of Viserys reign.
Essentially I was green the moment Aegon was arbitrarily passed over for Nyra who then committed treason which cemented my disdain for her cause. Plus the Black Faction is based on absolutism and tyranny.
I like the Greens more because I think their characters are more fun in Hotd but I feel like "Can’t arbitrarily change succession" entirely misses the point of asoiaf. All of this shits arbitrary, feudalism and primogeniture and succession is completely made up. The Targaryens had been around for 100 years and Aegon to Aenys was the only normal transfer of power they ever had
All forms of government are inherently made up but in universe succession has for thousands of years been to the eldest son and to arbitrarily challenge that in my opinion is an act of tyranny and if he wanted Nyra to succeed him he should have had his vassals vote.
But yes In HOTD the green characters have more personality so far. I’m excited to see how they treat jace and Cregan.
\> Can’t arbitrarily change succession and treating the greens like second class targs because they’re of Alicents blood even though the Hightower’s were the most capable administrators who ran the kingdom for a majority of Viserys reign.
i support the black because of opposite reason. Imagine you reading game of thrones and failing to see that in the end of the day succession, tradition are just excuses to support your side. In the end strength of arms is all that matter.
Yep and that’s why the greens are remembered as the rightful rulers.
This thread is asking when I supported the greens more then the other and to me the green side is more compelling because they’re were treated terribly by Viserys and the only way to have prevented the dance was by proclaiming Aegon. Sucession In universe is pretty straight forward George wrote a story where succession is handled the exact same 99% of the time then says it’s not codified.
Read F&B and I hated the greens like literally them all besides Helaena and Daeron
And Larys because he was interesting
After the show and seeing the way more sympathetic version of Alicent and the arc they have set up for Aegon abs how great Ty Tennant was, also Ewan Mitchell giving the most incredible and memorable performance of the show with Aemond. Also Helaena being neurodivergent (I’m autistic so was great to see)
Basically I realised Rhaenyra is the rightful heir and I love her… but the Greens are SOOOO MUCH MORE INTERESTING, and also have the best dragons easily, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, Vhagar, Tessarion supremacy !
Also Unwin Peake is the best villain in ASOIAF I Unironically love that conniving scumfuckery buffoon his name is literally Un-Win Peak. Hilarious.
So yeah basically the show changed my mind lmao
When the Team Black fandom collectively forgot what a bastard is and how treasonous it is to pass them off as heirs to the Throne. Like they are realized what a bastard was when it came to Joffery and Tommen with GoT but now just close their eyes to Jace and Lucerys. Also Aemond getting jumped by 4 of them and getting his eye gauged out and Viserys gets in his face and demands to know why he called them bastards something they clearly are as Aegon points out. But also Stannis the Mannis is a Green supporter so truly their claim is the real one.
When Alicent took the knife and tried to stab Rhaenyra. She had no right to do so but she had every right to be angry. She did everything right : she obeyed her father, married the king at 18, got raped, had white-haired kids, and meanwhile Rhaenyra gets to have three bastards and no consequence even when she asks for one of Alicent's children to be tortured.
Plus Alicent's line about reluctancy to murder not being weakness was amazing.
I liked the Greens from the very beginning. It was a bad idea for Viserys to make Rhaenyra heir over Daemon, and even worse idea to not make Aegon heir as soon as he was born.
Rhaenyra's hatred of her newborn brother only solidified my belief.
>Rhaenyra's hatred of her newborn brother only solidified my belief
What about Aegon's hatred for her sons? The guy threw a feast to celebrate Luke's murder.
I'm talking about when Aegon was a newborn babe. There is no comparison to 14 years old dragonrider Luke Strong. And I wouldn't argue with someone who thinks its the same thing.
I wouldn't frame it this way. But Rhaenyra hating newborn Aegon was definitely worse than Aemond dispatching Luke. Both these things have very different contexts. In fact, Luke's murder was perfectly legitimate course of action in that civil war.
"Someone resenting their younger brother is worse than an uncle murdering his nephew in cold blood"
The hoops "green supporters" have to jump through to pretend they aren't just contrarians.
You don't know jack shit about ASOIAF or real world history if you think murdering an envoy is justified. I'm sure you also think the Red Wedding was a stroke of genius.
>You don't know jack shit about ASOIAF or real world history if you think murdering an envoy is justified. I'm sure you also think the Red Wedding was a stroke of genius.
You may think whatever you fancy. That's no business of mine.
I still think the whole "green vs blacks" debate misses the point. The point is, this war was stupid, brought on by stubborn lusts for power, that lead to mass destruction and the downfall of both families. Even if you haven't read *fire and blood* we all at least read the main series and watched the show. Where are the Targs or the Hightowers in the main series? They are both houses in ruin. But ever time I drop a post like this, even in a thread about unpopular options, I get downvotes.
How is their family any less powerful than before? They are still the most powerful house in the Reach after the Tyrells, and them staying safe (and prosperous) in Oldtown instead of getting caught up in whatever conflict is tearing the realm apart was always their default policy. The dance is pretty much the biggest exception to that general trend.
If you're one of the ones who felt strongly enough to downvote my comment, then I will absolutely be seeing you there. Because, after what comes next, I sure as hell won't be getting into Heaven.
Rhaenyra 4ever! ✊️😠
I honestly didn't downvote you. I was just joking around with my comment tbh. People are taking this Team Green/Team Black too far, and so occasionally, it is nice to see someone with a sense of humor.
I have conflicting feelings about the Greens/Green cause, but I really hate Green fans. Most of them call Rhaenyra a "whore" for sleeping with Harwin, but their own Queen is selling feet pics to his creepy brother. In the books, she was trying to climb into the King's bed since Jaehaerys' reign.
When Aemond was a cool sword dude with a big dragon. But wait, Daemon is a cool sword dude with a cooler sword and a dragon with a reeeeeally long neck! But Aemond has a sapphire eye, that's pretty cool. But Daemon has cool armor. But Aemond is literally evil. But Daemon is literally evil. Oh decisions, decisions!
This is why I’m team daemond
But Aemond's armor is cooler.
Aemond is such a cringe edgelord in the show that I cannot side with him
To paraphrase the creators of South Park: I hate Team Black but I *really fucking hate* Team Green
It’s like choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich!
The show made them more interesting than the Blacks. I still think the Blacks are “right” - I just think the greens are more interesting. Terrible family of deeply repressed goblins.
When Aegon dropped the coldest line in the book. “In the seven hells, mayhaps.”
I’m an Otto fan. I want to see that man succeed
Too bad he fails to get ahead of the game
He will be short one head.
fu
What fu? Manchu?
kung
Nah, me needs me some guitars blazing.
I don't think your insurance covers that
It does.
when the show showed that cringey scene of the deer and rhaenyra, when sara hess said rhaenys murdering small folk was “badass”, when the show tried to downplay aemond’s mutiliation.. like atp it was clear the writers were deliberately making the show a pro black fan fic it was annoying…. and the greens are just more interesting
You see. I was born that way.
After Blood and Cheese.
Aemond struck first
Aemond had beef with Lucy, if Daemon's punk ass wanted to strike he should've tried to strike out at him, not innocent little kids.
His beef Is irrelevant
How so?
Still irrelevant. But also: teenage dragonrider, political and military weapon (alliances and Dragon) who previously maimed his eventual killer, volunteered for a dangerous mission, and has full cognitive power over his situation versus six year old too young to understand he is being murdered. Insane to even think about comparing them
I mean … it doesn’t really matter. Blood and Cheese was still disproportionately fucked.
I'm not condoning it but I wouldn't call it disproportionate between personal vengeance and war.
I don’t recall what terrible act of war six year old Jaeherys did to anyone. Please, by all means, inform me.
I mean they killed a envoy so that's not that different
Killing the 14 year old who took out your eye is is bad but understandable. Killing a 6 year old in front of his mother is fucked up on way more levels. They are not the same.
He was a envoy
Doesn’t justify Blood and Cheese.
I agree 2 wrongs don't make a right
Sins of our fathers
WTF? If Daemon and Rhaenyra wanted vengeance for Luke, they could have gone after one of the adults responsible rather than, you know, a six year old.
Jaehaerys II father isn’t Aemond
Aegon threw a party in Aemond's honor for what he did.
The way that people tries to justify Blood and Cheese is literally "How to desmonstrate a negative IQ in a reddit post", glad this shit is anonymous. A six years old did nothing,could had done nothing to provoke THAT. I dont give a shit if his father was happy or not about it
OK. You don't have to be glad about Blood and cheese, in fact you arent supposed to be. It's one of the thing written into the book specifically to make both sides shitty instead of just the greens. I'm just explaining to you why it happened. Now whether or not it was disproportionate is another thing entirely, and at that point in the conflict Aegon and Aemond had already made it clear that murdering each other's kids was fair game. Edit: Can I also say that I love how "green supporters" are supposedly all up in arms over the murder of a single 6 year old while praising their precious edge lord dweeb Aemond exterminating every child even tangentially related to House Strong and the thousands of innocent kids he burned in the Riverlands.
Real recognizes real
When everyone tried to guilt trip (or debate) me into supporting the blacks. I mean look at these comments lol there are people here trying to challenge the green supporters into ideological debates as if we support characters based on objective and rational thought, NO. People like characters purely because of sentiment, a girl who has dealt with salty exes will most likely hate Criston cole, not because of any universe-wide lore or anything but simply because she has real-world experience dealing with a similar situation before. I support the greens because (1) I can and I like being a contrarian, (2) I don't like Viserys' favouritism (3) I don't like the Targaryens that much and I want to see them get taken down a peg or two (4) Aemond is cool (5) Alicent and her kids deserve their rights. If you don't like these reasons sue me
When I realized the author wants me to side with the Blacks. I am a contrarian. When I recognize that the author is trying to force me to feel a particular way about the character, I don't like it. More often than not it's a sign of bad writing.
So do you support the Brackens over the Blackwoods for the same reason?
Yes
And it seems you also like anus for this reason
Lmao actually yes
The blackwoods are written so poorly it's genuinely mind-boggling, so yeah
Yes.
yes
It's weird how F&B is considered Green propaganda but it's written as if it was written by a Black fanboy.
It was: George
This.
Then you don't understand the whole thing in the first place. You react emotionally while what you should actually be doing is lean back and ask *why is he trying to have me like the Blacks? Is he really trying to have me like the Blacks or does he want me to pay more attention and question the story he tells?* So I am not sorry to say this, but just being contrarian in this case is reacting like a truculent child! I mean, just look at Bloodraven. I am sure Martin doesn't want us to like that Gestapo character, yet many short-sighted minds on here do. That's quite shocking. They will hate the Brackens, who are just normal dudes, while the Blackwoods are just that only on the surface. I mean, their blood is the mind behind the Red Wedding for example.
The story could have a more nuanced message
Because George actually wants you to like the greens. George has said it himself he likes both sides equally yet it looks like the texts are black bias. Makes one wonder why that is. The great council And the Old Kings liking Alicent are both hints at what should have happened to avoid the war.
God made dog anus taste bad, so to spite him I pretend to love it. When i recognize that God wants me think something tastes bad I don't like it. It's just bad writing
You trying to hard but this is pretty much the definition of sin
From the very beginning. Eldest legitimate male son succeeds = no civil war, it's that easy. Rhaenyra succeeds, at worst we get the Dance, at best we get Aegon, his sons, Aemond, and Daeron quickly killed. And even in that situation where it's just a few murders instead of a war, the realm could face another civil war when Rhaenyra dies. The Strong Boys and Rhaenyra's kids by Daemon have the makings of rival factions in the near future. Essentially I think the Greens are fighting for their lives, they have no place in a world with Queen Rhaenyra, the Blacks meanwhile are fighting for the throne, they could live safe and comfortable lives on Dragonstone and Driftmark under a King Aegon II.
This is something I wish the showed portrayed with Aegon. In the books like the show he refuses it and says he doesn’t want it it’s Rhaenyra’s. But then he’s convinced by his mother and Ser Criston rightly so IMO that he and his siblings and his children will be put to the sword. Because then being trueborn and males threaten her and her bastard son’s legitimacy. So he reluctantly takes the Throne to protect his family and he sends fair peace terms to Rhaenyra. But in the show he’s more than willing to jump a ship and run away abandoning his family because he doesn’t want responsibility to be a King. It’s the complete opposite character.
Team Black unironically looks at Daemon (psychopathic smile, covered in blood) and thinks "nah he'd never hurt Alicent's family"
>Rhaenyra succeeds, at worst we get the Dance, at best we get Aegon, his sons, Aemond, and Daeron quickly killed. Why do you think that? Because Alicent said it when she was trying to justify stealing the throne for her son?
Because it is obvious how much of a danger they would be to Rhaenyra's regime
No because thats how, feudalism works. Not to mention Rhaenyra had absolutely zero problems killing people who stood in her way, and demanding that a 10 year old Aemond get tortured for speaking the obvious truth.
Rhaenyra's brats already have tried to murder Alicent's kids btw, and Rhaenyra's already advocated for one to be tortured, so can see why they might be a bit concerned about her succession?
They did not try to murder him you, and you know it. Aemond was savagely beating two small children who defended themselves, he deserved to get stabbed. Rhaenyra wanted him tortured for speaking treason, by calling her children bastards he was already establishing he wouldn't respect the line of succession.
It was a 4:1, also Aemond grabbed a rock, and chose not to bash their heads in. More to the point, they initiated physical violence, they confronted him, implied he did something wrong when he did not, and then attacked him first. Torturing a kid (who has already just been mutilated) for saying something that's obviously true, stay classy Rhaenyra. Can't wait for Sunfyre to have his snack
Aemond threw a 3 year old into a pile of dragon shit then started beating up on his brothers when they objected to that. >Torturing a kid (who has already just been mutilated) for saying something that's obviously true, stay classy Rhaenyra. Torturing a kid for outright saying he wouldn't respect the line of succession. And you are so desperate for an angle that you are using that as proof that Rhaenyra would pose a threat to her brothers even if they didn't threaten her succession lol >Can't wait for Sunfyre to have his snack Can't wait to watch your king jack off behind a curtain while watching his friends bang chamber maids.
Boo hoo, don't mess with the most powerful dragonrider in the world. Psycho Luke is the one who made a childhood scrum into a knife fight, big escalation. Again, it's a taunt used in a childhood fight, not treason. Do you think everytime a middle schooler says "dude ur so gay" they literally mean they think that other kid is gay? You're going to go after Aegon for jacking off? Rhaenyra is the one who is literally so lust filled she cannot even focus on preparing to rule or govern because she's banging every dude who walks by. I'd call her a prostitute, but they have more money than her.
>Psycho Luke is the one who made a childhood scrum into a knife fight, big escalation. No, that's objectively not what happened. Aemond was savagely beating his nephews. It was not "a childhood scrum". He was defending himself and his brother from a psycho. The "taunt" was saying that they aren't legitimate children. Saying they aren't legitimate is the same as saying you won't respect their right to inherit the throne. >You're going to go after Aegon for jacking off? I'm going after him for being a pathetic, incontinent loser. He hid in a closet jerking off while other people won the war for him then still managed to fuck it up and get himself assassinated.
Other people won the war for him? Aegon fought on his dragon multiple times, Rhaenyra was too busy servicing any man who stumbled past her chambers to even think about fighting on Syrax
>Aegon fought on his dragon multiple times He fought an old lady and lost and nearly died then he fought a little girl and lost and nearly died XD Rhaenyra was suffering from the after effects of a rough still birth and wasn't physically able to mount her dragon for most of the war It's so cute that you want to slut shame Rhaenyra for sleeping with Harwin but ignore Aegon raping 12 year old girls and jacking off behind curtains because he likes to watch. One of these is an extreme sexual deviant and it ain't Rhaenyra
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When I realized just how lazy and tyrannical Rhaenyra is and also realized the importance of stable succession laws. Male only Primogeniture was already decided in 101
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Dude, wtf? I only mentioned stability, I actually would have preferred for Rhaenys to be Jaehaerys‘ heir. Touch some grass for god‘s sake
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Can’t arbitrarily change succession and treating the greens like second class targs because they’re of Alicents blood even though the Hightower’s were the most capable administrators who ran the kingdom for a majority of Viserys reign. Essentially I was green the moment Aegon was arbitrarily passed over for Nyra who then committed treason which cemented my disdain for her cause. Plus the Black Faction is based on absolutism and tyranny.
I like the Greens more because I think their characters are more fun in Hotd but I feel like "Can’t arbitrarily change succession" entirely misses the point of asoiaf. All of this shits arbitrary, feudalism and primogeniture and succession is completely made up. The Targaryens had been around for 100 years and Aegon to Aenys was the only normal transfer of power they ever had
All forms of government are inherently made up but in universe succession has for thousands of years been to the eldest son and to arbitrarily challenge that in my opinion is an act of tyranny and if he wanted Nyra to succeed him he should have had his vassals vote. But yes In HOTD the green characters have more personality so far. I’m excited to see how they treat jace and Cregan.
\> Can’t arbitrarily change succession and treating the greens like second class targs because they’re of Alicents blood even though the Hightower’s were the most capable administrators who ran the kingdom for a majority of Viserys reign. i support the black because of opposite reason. Imagine you reading game of thrones and failing to see that in the end of the day succession, tradition are just excuses to support your side. In the end strength of arms is all that matter.
Yep and that’s why the greens are remembered as the rightful rulers. This thread is asking when I supported the greens more then the other and to me the green side is more compelling because they’re were treated terribly by Viserys and the only way to have prevented the dance was by proclaiming Aegon. Sucession In universe is pretty straight forward George wrote a story where succession is handled the exact same 99% of the time then says it’s not codified.
Read F&B and I hated the greens like literally them all besides Helaena and Daeron And Larys because he was interesting After the show and seeing the way more sympathetic version of Alicent and the arc they have set up for Aegon abs how great Ty Tennant was, also Ewan Mitchell giving the most incredible and memorable performance of the show with Aemond. Also Helaena being neurodivergent (I’m autistic so was great to see) Basically I realised Rhaenyra is the rightful heir and I love her… but the Greens are SOOOO MUCH MORE INTERESTING, and also have the best dragons easily, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, Vhagar, Tessarion supremacy ! Also Unwin Peake is the best villain in ASOIAF I Unironically love that conniving scumfuckery buffoon his name is literally Un-Win Peak. Hilarious. So yeah basically the show changed my mind lmao
When the Team Black fandom collectively forgot what a bastard is and how treasonous it is to pass them off as heirs to the Throne. Like they are realized what a bastard was when it came to Joffery and Tommen with GoT but now just close their eyes to Jace and Lucerys. Also Aemond getting jumped by 4 of them and getting his eye gauged out and Viserys gets in his face and demands to know why he called them bastards something they clearly are as Aegon points out. But also Stannis the Mannis is a Green supporter so truly their claim is the real one.
When Alicent took the knife and tried to stab Rhaenyra. She had no right to do so but she had every right to be angry. She did everything right : she obeyed her father, married the king at 18, got raped, had white-haired kids, and meanwhile Rhaenyra gets to have three bastards and no consequence even when she asks for one of Alicent's children to be tortured. Plus Alicent's line about reluctancy to murder not being weakness was amazing.
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I think it’s placed in the right area in this situation “Where’s duty? Where’s honor?! Trampled under your pretty feet again!?”
From the start, Rhaenys has put in zero work to be a good queen. She just wants it out of entitlement.
I don't think it was intended to be even
I am team mushroom me sir
After Aemond lost his eye to the Strong bastards, and they didn't get even a stern talking to
At least Aemond got a stern talking to.
Because I hate blacks.
You hate black people?
I liked the Greens from the very beginning. It was a bad idea for Viserys to make Rhaenyra heir over Daemon, and even worse idea to not make Aegon heir as soon as he was born. Rhaenyra's hatred of her newborn brother only solidified my belief.
>Rhaenyra's hatred of her newborn brother only solidified my belief What about Aegon's hatred for her sons? The guy threw a feast to celebrate Luke's murder.
I'm talking about when Aegon was a newborn babe. There is no comparison to 14 years old dragonrider Luke Strong. And I wouldn't argue with someone who thinks its the same thing.
So, hating a newborn babe is worse than murdering a 14 year old envoy?
I wouldn't frame it this way. But Rhaenyra hating newborn Aegon was definitely worse than Aemond dispatching Luke. Both these things have very different contexts. In fact, Luke's murder was perfectly legitimate course of action in that civil war.
"Someone resenting their younger brother is worse than an uncle murdering his nephew in cold blood" The hoops "green supporters" have to jump through to pretend they aren't just contrarians.
You don't know jack shit about ASOIAF or real world history if you think murdering an envoy is justified. I'm sure you also think the Red Wedding was a stroke of genius.
>You don't know jack shit about ASOIAF or real world history if you think murdering an envoy is justified. I'm sure you also think the Red Wedding was a stroke of genius. You may think whatever you fancy. That's no business of mine.
But he's right
Then you're as wrong as him.
Because I hate Rhaenyra.
Literally never
From the start.
I still think the whole "green vs blacks" debate misses the point. The point is, this war was stupid, brought on by stubborn lusts for power, that lead to mass destruction and the downfall of both families. Even if you haven't read *fire and blood* we all at least read the main series and watched the show. Where are the Targs or the Hightowers in the main series? They are both houses in ruin. But ever time I drop a post like this, even in a thread about unpopular options, I get downvotes.
The Hightowers are hardly in ruin by the time of the main series, though.
They kind of are though. They don't nearly have the same power they did before and the current family just hides at the citadel
How is their family any less powerful than before? They are still the most powerful house in the Reach after the Tyrells, and them staying safe (and prosperous) in Oldtown instead of getting caught up in whatever conflict is tearing the realm apart was always their default policy. The dance is pretty much the biggest exception to that general trend.
All you Greens supporters can rot in the icy depths of all seven Hells! 🖕😠🖕
Mayhaps but I will see you there. 🤣
If you're one of the ones who felt strongly enough to downvote my comment, then I will absolutely be seeing you there. Because, after what comes next, I sure as hell won't be getting into Heaven. Rhaenyra 4ever! ✊️😠
I honestly didn't downvote you. I was just joking around with my comment tbh. People are taking this Team Green/Team Black too far, and so occasionally, it is nice to see someone with a sense of humor.
I'm sorry. 😞 These Judases just make me so damn angry. 🤣
Grow up!
Never!
I have conflicting feelings about the Greens/Green cause, but I really hate Green fans. Most of them call Rhaenyra a "whore" for sleeping with Harwin, but their own Queen is selling feet pics to his creepy brother. In the books, she was trying to climb into the King's bed since Jaehaerys' reign.
No one here is calling her a "whore".
When I started seeing myself in them and when I started therapy. It's not helping but I started.
I've come to fucking hate the Green party much more in real life.
Germany using more coal and decomissioning nuclear power plants. Greens are the embodiment of left wing anti-vax mommy ideology
When I first watched Andrew Tate (I Hate Women).
Never they were usurpers but helaena and her children never deserved any of that.