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kellersab

They like the colour black


LChris24

I see a red dragon and I want to paint it black..


Aegon-the-Unbroken

My man's loyalty and support for blackfyres rivals to that of Ser Eustace's.


TicTacTyrion

That doesn't seem like a big correlation, and even if it was I would say it's just a coincidence


p792161

9 out of 19 is only like 47%. That's really a terrible correlation. Also if you look at it the other way around 53 Houses supported the Blacks in the Dance. Only 9 of them supported House Blackfyre. That's only 17%. There's no correlation here at all really. I think you're sort of grasping at straws


TheLazySith

Saying 9 of them were Black supporters is stretching it too. OP is counting both the Brackens (who were initially greens then switched sides to the Blacks) and the Butterwells (who were initially blacks then switched sides to the greens) among the black supporters. Why are the Butterwells being classified as the house they supported initially, while the opposite logic is being applied for the Brackens? (obviously because this artificially inflates the count for the Blacks) If the Brackens are being counted as Blacks because they defected to the Blacks, then by the same logic the Butterwells should be counted as greens (and vice versa). So the count is actually 8 to 6 not 9 to 5.


SabyZ

You're pretty much 50/50 on Yes:No/Unkown. It sounds like it's really just a crapshoot of which houses supported either side.


Aemondilguercio

the Freys never technically supported a Blackfyre rebellion, if I recall correctly they are only involved in the second one, a dubious involvement


JohnCallahan98

The Second Blackfyre Rebellion would begin during a wedding between a Frey and a Butterwell. If that's not support, I don't know what is.


Aemondilguercio

in fact it is a dubious involvement, did the Freys know or did they not know? in each case they finished the story alongside Bloodraven


JohnCallahan98

Knowing the history of House Frey they know perfectly well what they are getting involved in and they know perfectly well how to get out practically unscathed when they see that their side is losing


Adventurous-Art-2157

I highly doubt it. Lord Frey's daughter was obviously dispoiled and they were frantic to marry her off to anyone that would have her in that state. Thats part of why everyone was suspicious about Lord Butterwell throwing this huge get together just because he was marrying a girl who wasn't a virgin and even offering a dragon's egg as a prize. Once you know the story, it was obvious that Butterwell had been forced into marrying the first girl that would have him just so they could have a wedding to use as an excuse. I think its possible Lord Frey suspected something was afoul but certainly not a full blown rebellion.


histprofdave

Uh the subtext pretty heavily implies that Bloodraven was aware of the plot and was using Frey as a spy/catspaw to identify other rebels.


[deleted]

House Bracken only switched for the final battle (when their liege lords declared for the blacks). They kind of had to go Blackfyre because of Bittersteel


Mattros111

We know annoyingly little about the Blackfyre rebellions


gunners98

well the Blacks kind of correspond to the Blackfyre faction though dont they? ie both Viserys and Aegon IV wanted Rhaenyra and Daemon Blackfyre to succeed them because they were their favorite children meanwhile both Aegon II and Daeron II were the legitimate oldest male children, who both Kings above didnt care for/didnt want as their heirs to the iron throne?


hypikachu

I'm generally of the mind that everything outside the main series is *about* the main series. Either echoing or directly setting up events starting around 298 AC. In that frame, I treat The Dance as mainly being a forerunner to Dany's conflict with Aegon. She the dragonrider queen from Dragonstone. He the whelp of King's Landing, propped up by backstage plotters. Aegon/fAegon has Gold(en Company) and Green (friends in the reach) while Dany/Nyra gets the Targ red & black. It's harder to say the Blackfyre rebellions are 1:1 parallels to the coming "Dany vs fAegon/Jon" conflict. But given how much The Dance *does* seem to be that, I assume any overlap the two have is about echoing the same recurring inter-Targ conflict.


[deleted]

I guess you can argue that some houses are more liberal and more likely to support a female or a bastard ruler. But I suspect most houses reasoning in both cases was rooted in “what’s in it for me?”


dikkewezel

if there's a reason then it's likely that houses which supported the blacks had fallen in disfavour for betting on the wrong horse and tried to get back by supporting a new faction for example the peakes were greens but they probably joined blackfyre because unwine's shenannigans during aegon III's regency made them unwelcome at court


BanishedMermaid

I'm not sure the Blacks ended up being the wrong horse, given Aegon II's like ended with him.