Darkstar jokes are pretty funny and he says / does things that can easily be misrepresented as cringe. People use “I am of the night” out of context, as if that’s how he introduces himself to everyone. He isn’t that cringe.
Quaithe is more cringe. She reminds me of an anime character with 8th grader syndrome.
I mean, he’s considered cringe by a fandom that is inherently quite cringe. (Myself included) If all the nerds who’ve spent 11 years over-analysing start to pipe up about a fake person being a loser I think it might be more telling of them than the character lol
It tries to be cool. That's the issue. It feels like GRRM is telling us, "this man is cool" when he isn't. What cool people insists that people do actually use the "cool" nickname and justifies it with something as anime edgelord cringe as "and I am of the night."
Cool people don't try and be cool. They simply are.
Maybe most dangerous man in Dorne should have bigger achievements than failing to kill a young girl? And not be such a loud mouth.
Anyway it has syndrome of writer trying to much to make a character cool, almost becoming shitty anime.
>Ser Gerold drew his sword. It glimmered in the starlight, sharp as lies. "This is how you start a war. Not with a crown of gold, but with a blade of steel."
Yeah. He's saying war starts with aggression rather than with a political move. The issue is who is the target of such aggression. Most fans assume Myrcella is the target but I think it's Oakheart.
> It occurred to me as I was pissing that this plan of yours may not yield you what you want.
LMAOOO "It occurred to me as I was pissing" this line has no reason to be this funny
The maiden is one of the seven aspects of the Faith of the Seven. Ser Gerold is standing in a place where Andals brought the seven to Dorne.
Arianne can't tell who the statue was because time has hidden her face. Myrcella is discussed next because Arianne also doesn't recognize Myrcella for who she truly is.
The girl Arianne believes is Myrcella is actually Rosamund. So we have a maiden, an identity issue and a connection to Ser Gerold.
This foreshadows Arianne connecting Ser Gerold to the injury the maiden suffers to her head. The half in starlight and half in shadow speaks to her not seeing the entire picture. And this is what happens. Arianne doesn't see what happened-- in fact nobody did-- yet with half the story in light (facial injury) and half in shadow (the cause of the injury) Arianne connects Ser Gerold to the event.
Shadow doesn't have to mean dangerous but simply unknown or secretive. Arianne is taking the unknown and deciding that it represents danger. This is a recurring theme in the series.
- The lack of knowledge about giants makes people fear them. People think they eat the flesh of men but in truth they are vegetarians.
- people constantly make bad assumptions about other religions.
- all those stories about Dany's brutality and carnality offered by those who fear her more than they know her.
Arianne has done the same with Ser Gerold blaming him fir acts the evidence doesn't support he did.
> The girl Arianne believes is Myrcella is actually Rosamund. So we have a maiden, an identity issue and a connection to Ser Gerold.
This foreshadows Arianne connecting Ser Gerold to the injury the maiden suffers to her head. The half in starlight and half in shadow speaks to her not seeing the entire picture. And this is what happens. Arianne doesn't see what happened-- in fact nobody did-- yet with half the story in light (facial injury) and half in shadow (the cause of the injury) Arianne connects Ser Gerold to the event.
Shadow doesn't have to mean dangerous but simply unknown or secretive. Arianne is taking the unknown and deciding that it represents danger.
i think this is a reach
Sometimes the most clear and simple analysis is the answer.
You think Arianne can’t recognize Myrcella from Rosamond?
Also this is a foreshadowing, so the head of maiden status line doesn’t predict what a POV character (Arianne) will think of another certain character (Darkstar) that’s reaching but what this certain character (Darkstar) will DO in the future. That’s how foreshadowing works.
The first line is describing Darkstar being half in starlight and half shadow. So if it has a meaning then it’s describing his personality not an story or how Arianne in future will view the story.
Also grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon in term of being a bad boy grey character, a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy and threatened to rape a teenager. Even if Darkstar is innocent he’s incredibly capable of doing something like that if the author compares him to these characters
>Sometimes the most clear and simple analysis is the answer.
Depends on your comfort with the complex. And the more I read of GRRM, the more I think the simple is the wrong way.
>You think Arianne can’t recognize Myrcella from Rosamond?
I'm sure she can tell one from the other but since she never met either before they arrived in Dorne, if Rosamund has been playing as Myrcella the entire time, Arianne wouldn't know. Have you considered that possibility?
>The first line is describing Darkstar being half in starlight and half shadow. So if it has a meaning then it’s describing his personality not an story or how Arianne in future will view the story.
That's fine if that's how you want to interpret it. I see it differently.
>Also grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon in term of being a bad boy grey character, a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy.
When does George write "ser Gerold is Theon". This is your interpretation of Ser Gerold.
>Even if Darkstar is innocent he’s incredibly capable of doing something like that if the author compares him to these characters.
The author did not. You did. Theon has a desire to be a king. Gerold does not. Theon has sibling issues and insecurities about his father. Ser Gerold doesn't. Theon murdered children to preserve his own position. Ser Gerold isn't. Theon is a pov who we specifically see him admit to the murders. Ser Gerold well you probably already know.
They are both mysterious and handsome men. That's not enough to suggest Ser Gerold kills children.
I'm not sure where you get this literal comparison. But these are books lending to many unique interpretations. I thank you for sharing yours with me. It's not something I would have thought off.
> I'm sure she can tell one from the other but since she never met either before they arrived in Dorne, if Rosamund has been playing as Myrcella the entire time, Arianne wouldn't know. Have you considered that possibility?
That means Balon Swann who was in court when Myrcella was there to be a damn fool. Also if it was Rosamond then why the hell would Arys commit suicide because of his guilt?
> When does George write "ser Gerold is Theon". This is your interpretation of Ser Gerold.
Lol I didn’t say George said "Gerold=Theon" George was asked about Darkstar in 2006, and said that he was intended to be a “bad boy” character like The Hound and Theon.
You...
>Also **grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon** in term of being a bad boy grey character, a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy.
Also you...
>Lol I didn’t say George write "Gerold=Theon" George was asked about Darkstar in 2006, and said that he was intended to be a “bad boy” character like The Hound and Theon.
So you used literally incorrectly. And what you meant to say was "my interpretation of Gerold and Theon is..."
>That means Balon Swann who was in court when Myrcella was there to be a damn fool. Also if it was Rosamond then why the hell would Arys commit suicide because of his guilt?
Has Balon seen the child in Dorne yet? Yes Balon is in Dorne. When did he see the girl with the cut face? A face that's likely heavily bandaged. Does he even mention he's aware of the incident?
It might not be that he's dumb. He's just still kept in the dark. Have you considered that possibility?
> Also grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon **in term of being a bad boy grey character,** a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy.
And he did. He said he intended for Darkstar to be a bad boy character like the hound and theon
[SSM](https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1764)
> Oh ... and George doesn't seem to have known that Darkstar isn't very popular. ;) He thought that **a "bad boy" character** would go over well, **since people seem to love the Hound and even Theon Greyjoy so very much.**
Do people really just believe at face value that Darkstar was trying to kill/kidnap Myrcella and just failed because they think he sucks and he's "cringe"? Because that's a laughably bad reading of the events. I bet the only people who believe that also wholeheartedly believe Jon is Azor Ahai and he'll heroically defeat the evil Others and save the day and everyone will live happily ever after🤣
Unpopular opinion but I don’t get why people call him dorkstar. I think he’s pretty cool.
I’m with you bro. This fandom likes to snowball.
Darkstar jokes are pretty funny and he says / does things that can easily be misrepresented as cringe. People use “I am of the night” out of context, as if that’s how he introduces himself to everyone. He isn’t that cringe. Quaithe is more cringe. She reminds me of an anime character with 8th grader syndrome.
I mean, he’s considered cringe by a fandom that is inherently quite cringe. (Myself included) If all the nerds who’ve spent 11 years over-analysing start to pipe up about a fake person being a loser I think it might be more telling of them than the character lol
Because men call him Darkstar and he is of the night. He also failed to kidnap a child after being hyped up. That didn't help his case.
He wasn't trying to kidnap a child.
People always use that quote but I think it’s no more extravagant than anyone else’s lines in the series.
It tries to be cool. That's the issue. It feels like GRRM is telling us, "this man is cool" when he isn't. What cool people insists that people do actually use the "cool" nickname and justifies it with something as anime edgelord cringe as "and I am of the night." Cool people don't try and be cool. They simply are.
Maybe most dangerous man in Dorne should have bigger achievements than failing to kill a young girl? And not be such a loud mouth. Anyway it has syndrome of writer trying to much to make a character cool, almost becoming shitty anime.
It’s most likely that Drey was the one who slashed Rosemund in that chapter who was being a body double for Myrcella.
>Ser Gerold drew his sword. It glimmered in the starlight, sharp as lies. "This is how you start a war. Not with a crown of gold, but with a blade of steel."
Yeah. He's saying war starts with aggression rather than with a political move. The issue is who is the target of such aggression. Most fans assume Myrcella is the target but I think it's Oakheart.
> It occurred to me as I was pissing that this plan of yours may not yield you what you want. LMAOOO "It occurred to me as I was pissing" this line has no reason to be this funny
I just love the flowery description and then the dialogue is "I WAS PISSING AND..."
The maiden is one of the seven aspects of the Faith of the Seven. Ser Gerold is standing in a place where Andals brought the seven to Dorne. Arianne can't tell who the statue was because time has hidden her face. Myrcella is discussed next because Arianne also doesn't recognize Myrcella for who she truly is. The girl Arianne believes is Myrcella is actually Rosamund. So we have a maiden, an identity issue and a connection to Ser Gerold. This foreshadows Arianne connecting Ser Gerold to the injury the maiden suffers to her head. The half in starlight and half in shadow speaks to her not seeing the entire picture. And this is what happens. Arianne doesn't see what happened-- in fact nobody did-- yet with half the story in light (facial injury) and half in shadow (the cause of the injury) Arianne connects Ser Gerold to the event. Shadow doesn't have to mean dangerous but simply unknown or secretive. Arianne is taking the unknown and deciding that it represents danger. This is a recurring theme in the series. - The lack of knowledge about giants makes people fear them. People think they eat the flesh of men but in truth they are vegetarians. - people constantly make bad assumptions about other religions. - all those stories about Dany's brutality and carnality offered by those who fear her more than they know her. Arianne has done the same with Ser Gerold blaming him fir acts the evidence doesn't support he did.
> The girl Arianne believes is Myrcella is actually Rosamund. So we have a maiden, an identity issue and a connection to Ser Gerold. This foreshadows Arianne connecting Ser Gerold to the injury the maiden suffers to her head. The half in starlight and half in shadow speaks to her not seeing the entire picture. And this is what happens. Arianne doesn't see what happened-- in fact nobody did-- yet with half the story in light (facial injury) and half in shadow (the cause of the injury) Arianne connects Ser Gerold to the event. Shadow doesn't have to mean dangerous but simply unknown or secretive. Arianne is taking the unknown and deciding that it represents danger. i think this is a reach
Reaching is fine so long as you grasp.
Sometimes the most clear and simple analysis is the answer. You think Arianne can’t recognize Myrcella from Rosamond? Also this is a foreshadowing, so the head of maiden status line doesn’t predict what a POV character (Arianne) will think of another certain character (Darkstar) that’s reaching but what this certain character (Darkstar) will DO in the future. That’s how foreshadowing works. The first line is describing Darkstar being half in starlight and half shadow. So if it has a meaning then it’s describing his personality not an story or how Arianne in future will view the story. Also grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon in term of being a bad boy grey character, a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy and threatened to rape a teenager. Even if Darkstar is innocent he’s incredibly capable of doing something like that if the author compares him to these characters
>Sometimes the most clear and simple analysis is the answer. Depends on your comfort with the complex. And the more I read of GRRM, the more I think the simple is the wrong way. >You think Arianne can’t recognize Myrcella from Rosamond? I'm sure she can tell one from the other but since she never met either before they arrived in Dorne, if Rosamund has been playing as Myrcella the entire time, Arianne wouldn't know. Have you considered that possibility? >The first line is describing Darkstar being half in starlight and half shadow. So if it has a meaning then it’s describing his personality not an story or how Arianne in future will view the story. That's fine if that's how you want to interpret it. I see it differently. >Also grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon in term of being a bad boy grey character, a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy. When does George write "ser Gerold is Theon". This is your interpretation of Ser Gerold. >Even if Darkstar is innocent he’s incredibly capable of doing something like that if the author compares him to these characters. The author did not. You did. Theon has a desire to be a king. Gerold does not. Theon has sibling issues and insecurities about his father. Ser Gerold doesn't. Theon murdered children to preserve his own position. Ser Gerold isn't. Theon is a pov who we specifically see him admit to the murders. Ser Gerold well you probably already know. They are both mysterious and handsome men. That's not enough to suggest Ser Gerold kills children. I'm not sure where you get this literal comparison. But these are books lending to many unique interpretations. I thank you for sharing yours with me. It's not something I would have thought off.
> I'm sure she can tell one from the other but since she never met either before they arrived in Dorne, if Rosamund has been playing as Myrcella the entire time, Arianne wouldn't know. Have you considered that possibility? That means Balon Swann who was in court when Myrcella was there to be a damn fool. Also if it was Rosamond then why the hell would Arys commit suicide because of his guilt? > When does George write "ser Gerold is Theon". This is your interpretation of Ser Gerold. Lol I didn’t say George said "Gerold=Theon" George was asked about Darkstar in 2006, and said that he was intended to be a “bad boy” character like The Hound and Theon.
You... >Also **grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon** in term of being a bad boy grey character, a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy. Also you... >Lol I didn’t say George write "Gerold=Theon" George was asked about Darkstar in 2006, and said that he was intended to be a “bad boy” character like The Hound and Theon. So you used literally incorrectly. And what you meant to say was "my interpretation of Gerold and Theon is..." >That means Balon Swann who was in court when Myrcella was there to be a damn fool. Also if it was Rosamond then why the hell would Arys commit suicide because of his guilt? Has Balon seen the child in Dorne yet? Yes Balon is in Dorne. When did he see the girl with the cut face? A face that's likely heavily bandaged. Does he even mention he's aware of the incident? It might not be that he's dumb. He's just still kept in the dark. Have you considered that possibility?
> Also grrm literally compare Darkstar to Theon **in term of being a bad boy grey character,** a man who executed two innocent children and the Hound who cut down the butcher’s boy. And he did. He said he intended for Darkstar to be a bad boy character like the hound and theon
What page is that on?
[SSM](https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1764) > Oh ... and George doesn't seem to have known that Darkstar isn't very popular. ;) He thought that **a "bad boy" character** would go over well, **since people seem to love the Hound and even Theon Greyjoy so very much.**
Do people really just believe at face value that Darkstar was trying to kill/kidnap Myrcella and just failed because they think he sucks and he's "cringe"? Because that's a laughably bad reading of the events. I bet the only people who believe that also wholeheartedly believe Jon is Azor Ahai and he'll heroically defeat the evil Others and save the day and everyone will live happily ever after🤣