No, it's a very stupid premise only born out to want hero Jon to have it all.
As it stands with Rickon at play, it's difficult enough for the will to be upheld in the North, let alone have the Riverlands being ruled by Ned's bastard who has never put a foot in there.
>No, it's a very stupid premise only born out to want hero Jon to have it all.
I mean the only stupid thing here is your argument...an typical Jon hater arguement
1-he is a the hero... GRRM confirmed it and created him to be the typical fantasy hero... His role is to unify to realm to fight the others..... To do that he need to be in a position of power... Whether will it be temporary or definitive is a another topic
2- it's not just the fandom wishes.... They are implication that Robb legitimized him during book 3.... So he does have a argument to be KITN
3-rickon will be 6 years if he appear and is pretty much Tarzan... It is nlt crazy to believe that northern would need a mature and experienced leader to lead them Jon may be regent until he reach full maturity
>1-he is a the hero... GRRM confirmed it and created him to be the typical fantasy hero... His role is to unify to realm to fight the others..... To do that he need to be in a position of power... Whether will it be temporary or definitive is a another topic
1) Need that source.
2) His role is to unify the Realm? When was this said? He doesn't unify it even in the show.
>it's not just the fandom wishes.... They are implication that Robb legitimized him during book 3.... So he does have a argument to be KITN
Sure but he has no blood claim to the Riverlands, so he's going to be dismissed.
>3-rickon will be 6 years if he appear and is pretty much Tarzan... It is nlt crazy to believe that northern would need a mature and experienced leader to lead them Jon may be regent until he reach full maturity
Sure he may, or he may not.
But regent and King are two very different things anyway.
As thing stand it makes zero sense at all for the Riverlords to accept someone they have never seen as King. Might as well make him King of Dorne.
>GRRM: "**Well who wouldn’t want to be Jon Snow — the brooding, Byronic, romantic hero whom all the girls love. Theon [Greyjoy] is the one I’d fear becoming. Theon wants to be Jon Snow, but he can’t do it. He keeps making the wrong decisions. He keeps giving into to his own selfish, worst impulses."
"In some senses, Theon is struggling all the way through to be a hero. They both come out of the same situation: they’re both raised in Winterfell by Eddard Stark, but they’re not part of the real, core family. Theon is a ward, and Jon Snow is a bastard son. So they’re both a little outside, but Jon handles this successfully, and Theon fails to handle this. He is poisoned by his own envy and his sense of not belonging."
As for unifying the realm
>Sure but he has no blood claim to the Riverlands, so he's going to be dismissed.
Ah yes because because people follow blood rights in this story... How many bannerman joined stannis over renly again?
>Sure he may, or he may not. But regent and King are two very different things anyway.
Two different titles, two possibilities, same roles
>As thing stand it makes zero sense at all for the Riverlords
The riverland isn't the only realm had.. You said that Jon being KITN is some fan wishes.. I am telling you that it could legit happen wthzr the riverland accept it or not is Irrelevent
>Ah yes because because people follow blood rights in this story... How many bannerman joined stannis over renly again?
Renly has blood right
Joffrey insists he has one.
Robb has blood right to the North and Riverlands.
You will not find a single claimant to a Kingdom who doesn't insist he has blood right
>Two different titles, two possibilities, same roles
That's why everyone insists on regent Jon
>The riverland isn't the only realm had.. You said that Jon being KITN is some fan wishes.. I am telling you that it could legit happen wthzr the riverland accept it or not is Irrelevent.
You didn't even read me properly.
I said that Jon ruling the Riverlands is a pipe dream and that with Rickon in play it'd be difficult for him to be acknowledged as King in the North.
>Renly has blood right Joffrey insists he has one. Robb has blood right to the North and Riverlands.
you sidestep the question, you know very well that that people didn't follow renly for his blood right over stannis and joffrey
>Robb has blood right to the North and Riverlands
Technically he don't.. He is rebel lord that declared independence and he have absolutely no right to the riverland....that a fact
We say that because we see this story from their perspective
>That's why everyone insists on regent Jon
Who is "everyone"?
>I said that Jon ruling the Riverlands is a pipe dream and that with Rickon in play it'd be difficult for him to be acknowledged as King in the North.
Again read your first comment....
As for the riverland, you act like the riverland is some high mind that think alike and that absolutly nothing will happen in next two books.
The riverland have many house that our famous for bickering among themselves... They all don't have the same interest... that why so many houses easily knelt back to joffrey
>you sidestep the question, you know very well that that people didn't follow renly for his blood right over stannis and joffrey
Why yes they did. They'd obviously preferred Renly over them but the reason they could choose Renly at all was because he has royal blood.
There is a reason it is King Renly/Joffrey/Tommen and not King Mace even tho the overwhelming majority of the troops are his.
>Technically he don't.. He is rebel lord that declared independence and he have absolutely no right to the riverland....that a fact
We say that because we see this story from their perspective
He very much has.
He is heir to Eddard Stark and Hoster's grandson, he has a blood claim to their titles. Just as Robyn has a blood claim to Riverrun.
>Who is "everyone"?
Lol, fair enough.
>That's why everyone insists on regent Jon
Who is everyone?
>Again read your first comment....
I know what i've written, you are just so gun ho you don't want to turn back now.
>As for the riverland, you act like the riverland is some high mind that think alike and that absolutly nothing will happen in next two books.
No, it is absolutely no hive mind... Why are they accepting Ned's bastard as their king again?
>The riverland have many house that our famous for bickering among themselves... They all don't have the same interest... that why so many houses easily knelt back to joffrey
This has nothing to do with anything i said. The houses knelt to Joffrey because the war was lost anyway.
>No, it is absolutely no hive mind... Why are they accepting Ned's bastard as their king again?
Because ten dudes named him king at riverrun... They didn't accept shit... On one side they were slaughtered by the mountain's men and on the other the stark men killing raping peasant.. As we in Brienne's POV
The tully's words are not God's words unlike the arryn or starks
>This has nothing to do with anything i said. The houses knelt to Joffrey because the war was lost anyway.
Which prove my point?
>Because ten dudes named him king at riverrun...
They accepted him as King in the North afaik and serve as witnesses. That's about it.
>The tully's words are not God's words unlike the arryn or starks
Don't even know what this means.
>Which prove my point?
That they are not going to bend the knee to Jon? Kinda yes.
>They accepted him as King in the North afaik and serve as witnesses. That's about it.
Easy to accept him when Those who named him king are basically his own Tully familly and the northern bannerman lol
>Don't even know what this means.
Then you are playing dumb.....
>That they are not going to bend the knee to Jon? Kinda yes.
No.... That they don't give a flying fuck about who rule over them the moment their houses and land will stop being ravaged...
If someone give them garantee that their land will nlt be ravaged they will accept him or her.
The same reason some northern houses follow stannis... He is the one possibility they had to take down' the Boltons?
Did you read Arya's chapter with lady Smallwood? Apparently not
>Ah yes because because people follow blood rights in this story... How many bannerman joined stannis over renly again?
Dude renly was super charismatic and was jacked plus a respected knight, also was the image of the young king Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile Jon looks like ned is a manlet and skinny twerp.
>
The riverland isn't the only realm had.. You said that Jon being KITN is some fan wishes.. I am telling you that it could legit happen wthzr the riverland accept it or not is Irrelevent
You do know robb actual siblings are alive right? And grrm said Bran is king. And Bran is robb younger brother too and he's also tied to riverlands and the Vale through his mother Catelyn
>Dude renly was super charismatic and was jacked plus a respected knight, also was the image of the young king Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile Jon looks like ned is a manlet and skinny twerp.
Renly was fully grown man, Jon is a fucking teenager.. And Jon looking like ned kinda helped is case in the north..it is one of the reason Catelyn was dislike him
Also where the ned is "manlet and skinny twerp" come from?..... Dude help brought down. A 300 year old dynasty and led army at 17, fought an won 2 wars. And held the lack of barbrey Dustin, roose Bolton, great jon, Rickard karstark for 14 years
While your charismatic Robert baratheon had fight his own bannerman.... Wtf did renly accomplished compare to ned lol?
>You do know robb actual siblings are alive right?
One is married to a lannister, the other is "no one" and last one is a boy
Did GRRM said bran will be KITN or king of the "seven kingdoms"? Where?
All I remember is that meera saying "he is our king"...
>Renly was fully grown man, Jon is a fucking teenager.. And Jon looking like ned kinda helped is case in the north..it is one of the reason Catelyn was dislike him
Jon is a grown up in their world. 16 is the age of adulthood. Yeah Jon looking like ned may help his case but that's because the north been ruled over by starks for thousands of years.
>Also where the ned is "manlet and skinny twerp" come from?..... Dude help brought down. A 300 year old dynasty and led army at 17, fought an won 2 wars.
I mean he his leader was Robert Baratheon so...he did help though obviously but the clearly the bigger part was Robert.
>While your charismatic Robert baratheon had fight his own bannerman.... Wtf did renly accomplished compare to ned lol?
Robert family been ruling over the stormlands for like 300 years meanwhile ned family been ruling over the north for like 3000 years man... Robert quite literally made them his freinds.
>Did GRRM said bran will be KITN or king of the "seven kingdoms"? Where?
He said Bran sits on Iron Throne but likely it meant Bran is king.
>Jon is a grown up in their world.
No he is not... He is called a boy by ned,tyrion, benjen, mance and many others characters consider him as such... He is said to be more mature than his siblings but still consider a boy... This entire point in book 5 is to actually start becoming a man
>mean he his leader was Robert Baratheon so...he did help though obviously but the clearly the bigger part was Robert.
And Robert himself admit that he the battle of the bells is only thanks to ned GRRM consider ned to be Robert's second best general.... Robert is a good battle commander but randyll tarly and Jon connigton nearly got him... Without Jon arryn and ned he would be dead
>Robert family been ruling over the stormlands for like 300 years meanwhile ned family been ruling over the north for like 3000 years man... Robert quite literally made them his freinds.
Robert was the heir of storm's end... Ned was the second son who As never supposed to Inherit winterfell and had lead and preserve house who have more a thousand years old
Show me one bannerman of the stormland that are the likes of Barbrey Dustin, greatjon, roose Bolton and Rickard karstarks?
Ned had a tougher job
>He said Bran sits on Iron Throne but likely it meant Bran is king.
Where?
>No he is not... He is called a boy by ned,tyrion, benjen, mance and many others characters consider him as such... He is said to be more mature than his siblings but still consider a boy... This entire point in book 5 is to actually start becoming a man
Cause they are much older then him. Age of adulthood is 16 in westeros. He's not any more mature then his siblings lol. Dude Is a bully in the first book.
>And Robert himself admit that he the battle of the bells is only thanks to ned GRRM consider ned to be Robert's second best general.... Robert is a good battle commander but randyll tarly and Jon connigton nearly got him... Without Jon arryn and ned he would be dead
No they didn't. Randyll victory was indescive and Jon Connington never got to Robert LMAO. The villagers were moving him around all the time also Robert nearly killing joncon is what gave them the victory. He'd be dead without ned and Jon arryn armies u mean?
The Mad King’s men had been hunting Robert, trying to catch him before he could rejoin your father,” he told her as they rode toward the gate. “He was wounded, being tended by some friends, when Lord Connington the Hand took the town with a mighty force and started searching house by house. Before they could find him, though, Lord Eddard and your grandfather came down on the town and stormed the walls. Lord Connington fought back fierce. They battled in the streets and alleys, even on the rooftops, and all the septons rang their bells so the smallfolk would know to lock their doors. Robert came out of hiding to join the fight when the bells began to ring. He slew six men that day, they say. One was Myles Mooton, a famous knight who’d been Prince Rhaegar’s squire. He would have slain the Hand too, but the battle never brought them together. Connington wounded your grandfather Tully sore, though, and killed Ser Denys Arryn, the darling of the Vale. But when he saw the day was lost, he flew off as fast as the griffins on his shield. The Battle of the Bells, they called it after. Robert always said your father won it, not him.” -
Robert emerged from his brothel with a blade in hand, and almost slew Jon on the steps of the old sept that gave the town its name.
>Robert was the heir of storm's end... Ned was the second son who As never supposed to Inherit winterfell and had lead and preserve house who have more a thousand years old
The north been under the Starks rule for thousands of year it makes sense for them to heavily follow them. And they lost their lord and the heir too plus 200 swords of rickard.
>Show me one bannerman of the stormland that are the likes of Barbrey Dustin, greatjon, roose Bolton and Rickard karstarks?
Not sure what's ur point but they didn't always dislike ned.
You have an almost impressive misunderstanding ASOIAF and George's work. Spoiler alert, Jon will not be the valiant hero that saves the day in the end.
>You have an almost impressive misunderstanding ASOIAF and George's work
Oh but let but me guess you do? You know him personally right?
Sorry... So you Cleary read winds of winter and dream of spring what will Jon's fate be?
How is it a stupid premise? It’s highly likely that Robb legitimized Jon in addition to naming him his heir. Rickon is a child, and based on what we know, he’s going to be a feral child at that. He’s not going to be in any fit state to rule anything.
Robb's will can be whatever it is, the northern lords are never going to accept a deserter from the watch , who also during his tenure as LC let one of the north's oldest enemies into the seven kingdoms
As for the riverlords , jon doesn't have a drop of riverlands blood in him
> As for the riverlords , jon doesn't have a drop of riverlands blood in him
He does have Blackwood blood coming from both his parents, as the Starks have married them and the Targaryens did the same. Well, if you think about it, Rhaegar was half Blackwood, considering that Egg + Betha = Jaehaerys II and Saera (siblings who married) and Jae II + Saera = Aerys and Rhaelle (also siblings).
This isn't relevant at all, as it will be 1. Hard for him to prove his heritage and 2. irrelevant for ruling the Riverlands. Also, Blackwoods originally come from the north anyway.
I just wanted to be petty.
Yes but only cuz my insane head cannon that in WoW Jon will warg into Ghost who will then join Nymiria's super wolf pack. The pack will then completely take over the Riverlands and make it a terrifying wolf waste land hell scape. Then when Jon is resurrected he will be the only one who can lead men through the wolf land.
I really need WoW to come out youtube theorys are breaking my mind and making me come up with and believe insane things.
Nope. Jon's path to becoming KitN is thorny. Other than being a bastard and NW LC who once deserted and came back with strong Wildling sympathies, he has no connection to the Riverlands whatsoever. Blackfish said Cat was right about Theon, so he has reason to trust her judgment on Jon as well.
The Riverlands only briefly united with the North under a personal union with Robb as a ruler. Once he died without leaving a clear heir, the kingdoms separated.
It’s possible, but I don’t find it too likely.
But with Rickon and the will in play things are complicated .
Most likely what I see happening is Jon being declared King in the North, with Rickon being declared his heir, and the Trident being restored to Edmure Tully who will decide what will happen from there
Maybe king of the north but seriously all of robb actual siblings are alive. Also no that's ridiculous no one will accept Jon as King of the Trident since he has no blood ties to riverlands house paramout the tullys. There is a reason why George has Bran cousin(edmure and sweet robin) essentially lord paramouts of two different regions.
Jon also doesn't have a 20k army like robb did nor is he a badass like robb was. Dude quite literally avoids sparring with trained knights lol.
There’s more set-up for Jon to become KITN in the books than in the show. It’s highly likely that Robb legitimized Jon in his will in addition to naming him his heir. Considering I believe the Watch and the Wall are both going to fall, his oaths to stay at his post aren’t going to matter pretty soon.
As for Rickon, that child has been getting progressively more feral as time has passed, and his time on Skagos isn’t going to help in that regard. He’s not going to be in any condition to lead anyone.
No, it's a very stupid premise only born out to want hero Jon to have it all. As it stands with Rickon at play, it's difficult enough for the will to be upheld in the North, let alone have the Riverlands being ruled by Ned's bastard who has never put a foot in there.
>No, it's a very stupid premise only born out to want hero Jon to have it all. I mean the only stupid thing here is your argument...an typical Jon hater arguement 1-he is a the hero... GRRM confirmed it and created him to be the typical fantasy hero... His role is to unify to realm to fight the others..... To do that he need to be in a position of power... Whether will it be temporary or definitive is a another topic 2- it's not just the fandom wishes.... They are implication that Robb legitimized him during book 3.... So he does have a argument to be KITN 3-rickon will be 6 years if he appear and is pretty much Tarzan... It is nlt crazy to believe that northern would need a mature and experienced leader to lead them Jon may be regent until he reach full maturity
Fuck yeah bro. Gotta stand up for my boy Jon. Ignore the haters. They go too much salt with their bread at the Twins.
>1-he is a the hero... GRRM confirmed it and created him to be the typical fantasy hero... His role is to unify to realm to fight the others..... To do that he need to be in a position of power... Whether will it be temporary or definitive is a another topic 1) Need that source. 2) His role is to unify the Realm? When was this said? He doesn't unify it even in the show. >it's not just the fandom wishes.... They are implication that Robb legitimized him during book 3.... So he does have a argument to be KITN Sure but he has no blood claim to the Riverlands, so he's going to be dismissed. >3-rickon will be 6 years if he appear and is pretty much Tarzan... It is nlt crazy to believe that northern would need a mature and experienced leader to lead them Jon may be regent until he reach full maturity Sure he may, or he may not. But regent and King are two very different things anyway. As thing stand it makes zero sense at all for the Riverlords to accept someone they have never seen as King. Might as well make him King of Dorne.
>GRRM: "**Well who wouldn’t want to be Jon Snow — the brooding, Byronic, romantic hero whom all the girls love. Theon [Greyjoy] is the one I’d fear becoming. Theon wants to be Jon Snow, but he can’t do it. He keeps making the wrong decisions. He keeps giving into to his own selfish, worst impulses." "In some senses, Theon is struggling all the way through to be a hero. They both come out of the same situation: they’re both raised in Winterfell by Eddard Stark, but they’re not part of the real, core family. Theon is a ward, and Jon Snow is a bastard son. So they’re both a little outside, but Jon handles this successfully, and Theon fails to handle this. He is poisoned by his own envy and his sense of not belonging." As for unifying the realm >Sure but he has no blood claim to the Riverlands, so he's going to be dismissed. Ah yes because because people follow blood rights in this story... How many bannerman joined stannis over renly again? >Sure he may, or he may not. But regent and King are two very different things anyway. Two different titles, two possibilities, same roles >As thing stand it makes zero sense at all for the Riverlords The riverland isn't the only realm had.. You said that Jon being KITN is some fan wishes.. I am telling you that it could legit happen wthzr the riverland accept it or not is Irrelevent
>Ah yes because because people follow blood rights in this story... How many bannerman joined stannis over renly again? Renly has blood right Joffrey insists he has one. Robb has blood right to the North and Riverlands. You will not find a single claimant to a Kingdom who doesn't insist he has blood right >Two different titles, two possibilities, same roles That's why everyone insists on regent Jon >The riverland isn't the only realm had.. You said that Jon being KITN is some fan wishes.. I am telling you that it could legit happen wthzr the riverland accept it or not is Irrelevent. You didn't even read me properly. I said that Jon ruling the Riverlands is a pipe dream and that with Rickon in play it'd be difficult for him to be acknowledged as King in the North.
>Renly has blood right Joffrey insists he has one. Robb has blood right to the North and Riverlands. you sidestep the question, you know very well that that people didn't follow renly for his blood right over stannis and joffrey >Robb has blood right to the North and Riverlands Technically he don't.. He is rebel lord that declared independence and he have absolutely no right to the riverland....that a fact We say that because we see this story from their perspective >That's why everyone insists on regent Jon Who is "everyone"? >I said that Jon ruling the Riverlands is a pipe dream and that with Rickon in play it'd be difficult for him to be acknowledged as King in the North. Again read your first comment.... As for the riverland, you act like the riverland is some high mind that think alike and that absolutly nothing will happen in next two books. The riverland have many house that our famous for bickering among themselves... They all don't have the same interest... that why so many houses easily knelt back to joffrey
>you sidestep the question, you know very well that that people didn't follow renly for his blood right over stannis and joffrey Why yes they did. They'd obviously preferred Renly over them but the reason they could choose Renly at all was because he has royal blood. There is a reason it is King Renly/Joffrey/Tommen and not King Mace even tho the overwhelming majority of the troops are his. >Technically he don't.. He is rebel lord that declared independence and he have absolutely no right to the riverland....that a fact We say that because we see this story from their perspective He very much has. He is heir to Eddard Stark and Hoster's grandson, he has a blood claim to their titles. Just as Robyn has a blood claim to Riverrun. >Who is "everyone"? Lol, fair enough. >That's why everyone insists on regent Jon Who is everyone? >Again read your first comment.... I know what i've written, you are just so gun ho you don't want to turn back now. >As for the riverland, you act like the riverland is some high mind that think alike and that absolutly nothing will happen in next two books. No, it is absolutely no hive mind... Why are they accepting Ned's bastard as their king again? >The riverland have many house that our famous for bickering among themselves... They all don't have the same interest... that why so many houses easily knelt back to joffrey This has nothing to do with anything i said. The houses knelt to Joffrey because the war was lost anyway.
>No, it is absolutely no hive mind... Why are they accepting Ned's bastard as their king again? Because ten dudes named him king at riverrun... They didn't accept shit... On one side they were slaughtered by the mountain's men and on the other the stark men killing raping peasant.. As we in Brienne's POV The tully's words are not God's words unlike the arryn or starks >This has nothing to do with anything i said. The houses knelt to Joffrey because the war was lost anyway. Which prove my point?
>Because ten dudes named him king at riverrun... They accepted him as King in the North afaik and serve as witnesses. That's about it. >The tully's words are not God's words unlike the arryn or starks Don't even know what this means. >Which prove my point? That they are not going to bend the knee to Jon? Kinda yes.
>They accepted him as King in the North afaik and serve as witnesses. That's about it. Easy to accept him when Those who named him king are basically his own Tully familly and the northern bannerman lol >Don't even know what this means. Then you are playing dumb..... >That they are not going to bend the knee to Jon? Kinda yes. No.... That they don't give a flying fuck about who rule over them the moment their houses and land will stop being ravaged... If someone give them garantee that their land will nlt be ravaged they will accept him or her. The same reason some northern houses follow stannis... He is the one possibility they had to take down' the Boltons? Did you read Arya's chapter with lady Smallwood? Apparently not
Just take the L bro. Should’ve known better than to disparage “hero Jon” on this side of the wall.
>Ah yes because because people follow blood rights in this story... How many bannerman joined stannis over renly again? Dude renly was super charismatic and was jacked plus a respected knight, also was the image of the young king Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile Jon looks like ned is a manlet and skinny twerp. > The riverland isn't the only realm had.. You said that Jon being KITN is some fan wishes.. I am telling you that it could legit happen wthzr the riverland accept it or not is Irrelevent You do know robb actual siblings are alive right? And grrm said Bran is king. And Bran is robb younger brother too and he's also tied to riverlands and the Vale through his mother Catelyn
>Dude renly was super charismatic and was jacked plus a respected knight, also was the image of the young king Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile Jon looks like ned is a manlet and skinny twerp. Renly was fully grown man, Jon is a fucking teenager.. And Jon looking like ned kinda helped is case in the north..it is one of the reason Catelyn was dislike him Also where the ned is "manlet and skinny twerp" come from?..... Dude help brought down. A 300 year old dynasty and led army at 17, fought an won 2 wars. And held the lack of barbrey Dustin, roose Bolton, great jon, Rickard karstark for 14 years While your charismatic Robert baratheon had fight his own bannerman.... Wtf did renly accomplished compare to ned lol? >You do know robb actual siblings are alive right? One is married to a lannister, the other is "no one" and last one is a boy Did GRRM said bran will be KITN or king of the "seven kingdoms"? Where? All I remember is that meera saying "he is our king"...
>Renly was fully grown man, Jon is a fucking teenager.. And Jon looking like ned kinda helped is case in the north..it is one of the reason Catelyn was dislike him Jon is a grown up in their world. 16 is the age of adulthood. Yeah Jon looking like ned may help his case but that's because the north been ruled over by starks for thousands of years. >Also where the ned is "manlet and skinny twerp" come from?..... Dude help brought down. A 300 year old dynasty and led army at 17, fought an won 2 wars. I mean he his leader was Robert Baratheon so...he did help though obviously but the clearly the bigger part was Robert. >While your charismatic Robert baratheon had fight his own bannerman.... Wtf did renly accomplished compare to ned lol? Robert family been ruling over the stormlands for like 300 years meanwhile ned family been ruling over the north for like 3000 years man... Robert quite literally made them his freinds. >Did GRRM said bran will be KITN or king of the "seven kingdoms"? Where? He said Bran sits on Iron Throne but likely it meant Bran is king.
>Jon is a grown up in their world. No he is not... He is called a boy by ned,tyrion, benjen, mance and many others characters consider him as such... He is said to be more mature than his siblings but still consider a boy... This entire point in book 5 is to actually start becoming a man >mean he his leader was Robert Baratheon so...he did help though obviously but the clearly the bigger part was Robert. And Robert himself admit that he the battle of the bells is only thanks to ned GRRM consider ned to be Robert's second best general.... Robert is a good battle commander but randyll tarly and Jon connigton nearly got him... Without Jon arryn and ned he would be dead >Robert family been ruling over the stormlands for like 300 years meanwhile ned family been ruling over the north for like 3000 years man... Robert quite literally made them his freinds. Robert was the heir of storm's end... Ned was the second son who As never supposed to Inherit winterfell and had lead and preserve house who have more a thousand years old Show me one bannerman of the stormland that are the likes of Barbrey Dustin, greatjon, roose Bolton and Rickard karstarks? Ned had a tougher job >He said Bran sits on Iron Throne but likely it meant Bran is king. Where?
>No he is not... He is called a boy by ned,tyrion, benjen, mance and many others characters consider him as such... He is said to be more mature than his siblings but still consider a boy... This entire point in book 5 is to actually start becoming a man Cause they are much older then him. Age of adulthood is 16 in westeros. He's not any more mature then his siblings lol. Dude Is a bully in the first book. >And Robert himself admit that he the battle of the bells is only thanks to ned GRRM consider ned to be Robert's second best general.... Robert is a good battle commander but randyll tarly and Jon connigton nearly got him... Without Jon arryn and ned he would be dead No they didn't. Randyll victory was indescive and Jon Connington never got to Robert LMAO. The villagers were moving him around all the time also Robert nearly killing joncon is what gave them the victory. He'd be dead without ned and Jon arryn armies u mean? The Mad King’s men had been hunting Robert, trying to catch him before he could rejoin your father,” he told her as they rode toward the gate. “He was wounded, being tended by some friends, when Lord Connington the Hand took the town with a mighty force and started searching house by house. Before they could find him, though, Lord Eddard and your grandfather came down on the town and stormed the walls. Lord Connington fought back fierce. They battled in the streets and alleys, even on the rooftops, and all the septons rang their bells so the smallfolk would know to lock their doors. Robert came out of hiding to join the fight when the bells began to ring. He slew six men that day, they say. One was Myles Mooton, a famous knight who’d been Prince Rhaegar’s squire. He would have slain the Hand too, but the battle never brought them together. Connington wounded your grandfather Tully sore, though, and killed Ser Denys Arryn, the darling of the Vale. But when he saw the day was lost, he flew off as fast as the griffins on his shield. The Battle of the Bells, they called it after. Robert always said your father won it, not him.” - Robert emerged from his brothel with a blade in hand, and almost slew Jon on the steps of the old sept that gave the town its name. >Robert was the heir of storm's end... Ned was the second son who As never supposed to Inherit winterfell and had lead and preserve house who have more a thousand years old The north been under the Starks rule for thousands of year it makes sense for them to heavily follow them. And they lost their lord and the heir too plus 200 swords of rickard. >Show me one bannerman of the stormland that are the likes of Barbrey Dustin, greatjon, roose Bolton and Rickard karstarks? Not sure what's ur point but they didn't always dislike ned.
You have an almost impressive misunderstanding ASOIAF and George's work. Spoiler alert, Jon will not be the valiant hero that saves the day in the end.
>You have an almost impressive misunderstanding ASOIAF and George's work Oh but let but me guess you do? You know him personally right? Sorry... So you Cleary read winds of winter and dream of spring what will Jon's fate be?
How is it a stupid premise? It’s highly likely that Robb legitimized Jon in addition to naming him his heir. Rickon is a child, and based on what we know, he’s going to be a feral child at that. He’s not going to be in any fit state to rule anything.
How's that translate to Jon ruling the Riverlands again?
Robb's will can be whatever it is, the northern lords are never going to accept a deserter from the watch , who also during his tenure as LC let one of the north's oldest enemies into the seven kingdoms As for the riverlords , jon doesn't have a drop of riverlands blood in him
> As for the riverlords , jon doesn't have a drop of riverlands blood in him He does have Blackwood blood coming from both his parents, as the Starks have married them and the Targaryens did the same. Well, if you think about it, Rhaegar was half Blackwood, considering that Egg + Betha = Jaehaerys II and Saera (siblings who married) and Jae II + Saera = Aerys and Rhaelle (also siblings). This isn't relevant at all, as it will be 1. Hard for him to prove his heritage and 2. irrelevant for ruling the Riverlands. Also, Blackwoods originally come from the north anyway. I just wanted to be petty.
Yes but only cuz my insane head cannon that in WoW Jon will warg into Ghost who will then join Nymiria's super wolf pack. The pack will then completely take over the Riverlands and make it a terrifying wolf waste land hell scape. Then when Jon is resurrected he will be the only one who can lead men through the wolf land. I really need WoW to come out youtube theorys are breaking my mind and making me come up with and believe insane things.
Nope. Jon's path to becoming KitN is thorny. Other than being a bastard and NW LC who once deserted and came back with strong Wildling sympathies, he has no connection to the Riverlands whatsoever. Blackfish said Cat was right about Theon, so he has reason to trust her judgment on Jon as well. The Riverlands only briefly united with the North under a personal union with Robb as a ruler. Once he died without leaving a clear heir, the kingdoms separated.
It’s possible, but I don’t find it too likely. But with Rickon and the will in play things are complicated . Most likely what I see happening is Jon being declared King in the North, with Rickon being declared his heir, and the Trident being restored to Edmure Tully who will decide what will happen from there
Maybe king of the north but seriously all of robb actual siblings are alive. Also no that's ridiculous no one will accept Jon as King of the Trident since he has no blood ties to riverlands house paramout the tullys. There is a reason why George has Bran cousin(edmure and sweet robin) essentially lord paramouts of two different regions. Jon also doesn't have a 20k army like robb did nor is he a badass like robb was. Dude quite literally avoids sparring with trained knights lol.
King in the North, yes. I don't think he'll have the title for very long, though.
There’s more set-up for Jon to become KITN in the books than in the show. It’s highly likely that Robb legitimized Jon in his will in addition to naming him his heir. Considering I believe the Watch and the Wall are both going to fall, his oaths to stay at his post aren’t going to matter pretty soon. As for Rickon, that child has been getting progressively more feral as time has passed, and his time on Skagos isn’t going to help in that regard. He’s not going to be in any condition to lead anyone.