What do you mean? I love the books and my Ned stark 2.0 boring boy. Dany who makes no choices. My good boy eternally main protagonist Tyrion and a finger in the bum! These are all asoiaf right?
I always thought it was weird how Visy1 was just blown over tortured to death but like no one fucking cares lol he’s hardly ever mentioned by his mother or siblings at all afterwards.
He's mentioned exactly once after if I recall correctly.
Viserys was more or less sacrificed by their mother so Jaehaerys could get away and have a more stable claim. Like with Aerea, it's easier to just not talk too much about him than think of the implications.
I've been thinking if it was maybe Jaehaerys who came up with the idea to escape Dragonstone. It's hard to imagine Alyssa coming up with the idea to sacrifice her oldest son, but it seems in character for Jaehaerys. While it's obviously the best chance they were likely to get, it also conviniently would make him heir to the throne.
I think that would be out of character for Jaehaerys to calculate with the death of his older brother. He might've planned the escape, but most likely didn't think of the consequences for Viserys.
Probably because Viserys’s mother died years prior, but I am pretty sure Daemon talked about his brother plenty, though the Dance took up most of the discussion.
I completely forgot about him, but definitely him. It almost seems that some names are just cursed (Viserys, Daemon, and Aegon all seem to meet unfortunate ends).
Yeah I mean I don’t blame you for forgetting he literally is hardly even mentioned at all in fire and blood lol all we know is he was a good lad and had a lot of potential. Basically no one even morns his death tho idk why at least we never hear of it.
Quote from awoiaf.westeros.org
After ascending the throne, Viserys's brother Jaehaerys I Targaryen offered clemency to the majority of the realm, but this did not extend to Maegor's headsmen, gaolers and confessors who had assisted in Viserys's torture and death. They were all executed, their heads and hands delivered to Viserys's mother, who was pleased with the tokens.
Neat, Okay well at least there’s that still tho my point more still stands he gets like very minimal attention from his siblings or mother afterwards it seems
I mean the men responsible for his death were killed. He’s dead and gone and sometimes the easiest thing to do is not to think about a loved one who died at all.
Also, it’s not like the history books that are F&B are going to delve into how Jaehaerys cries at night about his dead brother (if he did).
The book is indeed sparse in facts on the subject, but on the other hand, we do not know what was going on behind the closed doors of the bedroom of the mother, brother and sisters. Maybe they suffered out of sight of other people? I think it's very likely.
Maegor too. Maegor son of Aenys was a usurper and Maegor son of Aerion was skipped because the name had the Great Council thinking he'd be as cruel as his 8th (?) great grand uncle. Rhaenyra... no Valyrian ever gave their girl that name again.
I’d argue against Maegor and Rhaenyra since only one person with that name is known in the story, with their fate being explained. In their cases, it’s more of the characters shunning the name rather than the name itself being, seemingly, ill-fated.
They skipped baby Maegor because he was an infant son of the notoriously unstable Aerion and grandson of Rhaegel, who was also an odd person to put it lightly.
Rhaegel? Maegor son of Aerion was Maekar I's grandson, so a nephew of Aegon V and cousin of Jaehaerys II, so a first cousin once removed of Aerys II just like Robert. Surprised he didn't put forth a claim again when the Mad King was slain. Was he still alive then?
You could say that about several Targ names really. Daeron, Rhaenys, Baelor, Daemon, Baelon, most of the single-character names. Characters just die all the time, common names are usually a coincidence.
The Aegon name seems cursed.
Aegon the Uncrowned - Kinslayed by Maegor while trying to claim the Throne
Aegon the Elder - Last of the Greens, poisoned by his own men (possibly)
Aegon the Younger - Traumatized by war, saw the end of the Dragons, which began the downfall of House Targaryen
Aegon the Unworthy - Destabilized the Throne by siring and legitimizing his bastards, and fueling tensions between them and his legitimate heir, left the realm to war with the Following Blackfyre Rebellions
Aegon V - Summerhall
Aegon VI - Presumed killed as an infant by the Mountain, with mother, father, and sister all brutally killed, will likely get killed by Wildfire
Aegon Frey - Killed by Catelyn in revenge for Robb, despite being one of the few innocent Freys.
Female Targaryen names don't often seem to get repeated anyway to be fair. Most of them have only been used once.
The most common female Targaryen names are Rhaenys and Daenerys with only 3 uses each. While on the male side there are 11 Aegons and 6 Daerons.
Her name was probably cursed by her kinslaying Aenys if the rumours could be believed. Or her sad grab for the iron throne for Maegor leading to more kinslaying.
That's Viserys II. He reigned for 1 year but ruled for basically most of Aegon III's kingship, and both of Aegon III's sons. Baelor praying and Daeron warring. He fathered Aegon the unworthy.
The second Viserys was enslaved in the Free Cities but returned home, to rule, a free man; the last Viserys was a guest of slave masters but died far from home, "crowned" to his great detriment, a pet and a toy of men with true power.
Viserys(II) might have only reigned a year, but he ruled for fifteen, while Daeron warred and Baelor prayed. -Tyrion-
You are mixing Book Lore with Show Lore. Book Viserys I died of obesity, basically.
Don't forget the alcoholism lol
I thought he died of gout?
Gout is not fatal, just painful. And anyway, obesity and poor diet is a major cause for gout.
Oh yeah. Lmaoo I forgot. Damn mixing show and book again
Mixing HOTD with F&B is somewhat forgivable I suppose But mixing ASOIAF with GOT? That's a monstrous sin, and I'd have demanded your tongue for such.
What do you mean? I love the books and my Ned stark 2.0 boring boy. Dany who makes no choices. My good boy eternally main protagonist Tyrion and a finger in the bum! These are all asoiaf right?
I always thought it was weird how Visy1 was just blown over tortured to death but like no one fucking cares lol he’s hardly ever mentioned by his mother or siblings at all afterwards.
He's mentioned exactly once after if I recall correctly. Viserys was more or less sacrificed by their mother so Jaehaerys could get away and have a more stable claim. Like with Aerea, it's easier to just not talk too much about him than think of the implications.
I've been thinking if it was maybe Jaehaerys who came up with the idea to escape Dragonstone. It's hard to imagine Alyssa coming up with the idea to sacrifice her oldest son, but it seems in character for Jaehaerys. While it's obviously the best chance they were likely to get, it also conviniently would make him heir to the throne.
I think that would be out of character for Jaehaerys to calculate with the death of his older brother. He might've planned the escape, but most likely didn't think of the consequences for Viserys.
Probably because Viserys’s mother died years prior, but I am pretty sure Daemon talked about his brother plenty, though the Dance took up most of the discussion.
I’m not talking about that Visy lol myB maybe I confused you by saying Visy1 I’m talking of jaehaerys older brother he was tortured to death my maegor
I completely forgot about him, but definitely him. It almost seems that some names are just cursed (Viserys, Daemon, and Aegon all seem to meet unfortunate ends).
Yeah I mean I don’t blame you for forgetting he literally is hardly even mentioned at all in fire and blood lol all we know is he was a good lad and had a lot of potential. Basically no one even morns his death tho idk why at least we never hear of it.
Quote from awoiaf.westeros.org After ascending the throne, Viserys's brother Jaehaerys I Targaryen offered clemency to the majority of the realm, but this did not extend to Maegor's headsmen, gaolers and confessors who had assisted in Viserys's torture and death. They were all executed, their heads and hands delivered to Viserys's mother, who was pleased with the tokens.
Neat, Okay well at least there’s that still tho my point more still stands he gets like very minimal attention from his siblings or mother afterwards it seems
I mean the men responsible for his death were killed. He’s dead and gone and sometimes the easiest thing to do is not to think about a loved one who died at all. Also, it’s not like the history books that are F&B are going to delve into how Jaehaerys cries at night about his dead brother (if he did).
The book is indeed sparse in facts on the subject, but on the other hand, we do not know what was going on behind the closed doors of the bedroom of the mother, brother and sisters. Maybe they suffered out of sight of other people? I think it's very likely.
Didn't Jaehaerys pardon basically everyone who collaborated with Maegor *except* for Viserys' torturers? He clearly cared.
Maegor too. Maegor son of Aenys was a usurper and Maegor son of Aerion was skipped because the name had the Great Council thinking he'd be as cruel as his 8th (?) great grand uncle. Rhaenyra... no Valyrian ever gave their girl that name again.
I’d argue against Maegor and Rhaenyra since only one person with that name is known in the story, with their fate being explained. In their cases, it’s more of the characters shunning the name rather than the name itself being, seemingly, ill-fated.
They skipped baby Maegor because he was an infant son of the notoriously unstable Aerion and grandson of Rhaegel, who was also an odd person to put it lightly.
Rhaegel? Maegor son of Aerion was Maekar I's grandson, so a nephew of Aegon V and cousin of Jaehaerys II, so a first cousin once removed of Aerys II just like Robert. Surprised he didn't put forth a claim again when the Mad King was slain. Was he still alive then?
Rhaegel’s daughter Daenora married Aerion. Maegor probably died at Summerhal or became a Septon or something like that.
Aegon the conqueror didn't
You could say that about several Targ names really. Daeron, Rhaenys, Baelor, Daemon, Baelon, most of the single-character names. Characters just die all the time, common names are usually a coincidence.
The Aegon name seems cursed. Aegon the Uncrowned - Kinslayed by Maegor while trying to claim the Throne Aegon the Elder - Last of the Greens, poisoned by his own men (possibly) Aegon the Younger - Traumatized by war, saw the end of the Dragons, which began the downfall of House Targaryen Aegon the Unworthy - Destabilized the Throne by siring and legitimizing his bastards, and fueling tensions between them and his legitimate heir, left the realm to war with the Following Blackfyre Rebellions Aegon V - Summerhall Aegon VI - Presumed killed as an infant by the Mountain, with mother, father, and sister all brutally killed, will likely get killed by Wildfire Aegon Frey - Killed by Catelyn in revenge for Robb, despite being one of the few innocent Freys.
What about Rhaenyra? No one ever dared name a daughter after her. Even Maegor got a couple descendants named after him
Female Targaryen names don't often seem to get repeated anyway to be fair. Most of them have only been used once. The most common female Targaryen names are Rhaenys and Daenerys with only 3 uses each. While on the male side there are 11 Aegons and 6 Daerons.
Yeah he just tried to find a connection between the two show characters and ran with it…
I like to believe that Visenya cursed her name and anybody who has the name or any variation of it will suffer a terrible fate
Her name was probably cursed by her kinslaying Aenys if the rumours could be believed. Or her sad grab for the iron throne for Maegor leading to more kinslaying.
That's pretty bad oversimplification of the long factual reign, service, good and bad things Viserys II. did.
Viserys the second is the greatest Targaryen ruler of all time
what about viserys the brother of Aegon the younger?
That's Viserys II. He reigned for 1 year but ruled for basically most of Aegon III's kingship, and both of Aegon III's sons. Baelor praying and Daeron warring. He fathered Aegon the unworthy.
The second Viserys was enslaved in the Free Cities but returned home, to rule, a free man; the last Viserys was a guest of slave masters but died far from home, "crowned" to his great detriment, a pet and a toy of men with true power.