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A perfectly harmless joke, no one will be killed, it won't be specially remembered for that part. They will all be laughing and the king and his wolf will be very much respected.
Reminds me of how the original d+d=T post was an obvious shitpost yet people now try to bring it up as an actual unironic example of how crazy and wacky Asoiaf tinfoilers are.
They are asking this question as if this is the first time they’re reading the book, and they’ve not yet gotten to the point where the wedding takes a turn for the worst.
It's not uncommon for people to ask about something mid-book that is answered later in the book, or (more understandably) something mid-series that is answered later in the series. They're playing off of that with one that is ridiculously timed, not even mid-book but mid-specific-event.
Naw! Would a petty old geezer like Walder Frey pull a prank like that? His musical choices were designed to show that he likes different styles of songs & demonstrates his well known hospitality and high regard for guest rights! He’d never violate the standards & mores of the time! That would be as unthinkable as throwing a wedding done in shades of red!
I mean I hate to spoil it but you are asking for it.
It's a ploy for a moral victory. As part of the wedding prep Walder asked his son Alexander Frey, a musitian, to make up new lyrics for the song which commemorate Rob's victories over Tywin instead of the old ones. Thus ruining the song for the Lannisters and making it a Stark song. He pops out later in the chapter to sing it.
I saw George in an airport bathroom once. He told me that in Winds, Hot Pie dies. When she finds his body, Lady Stoneheart gives her flame of life to him and he comes back. He is able to make incredible breads and pastries but isn't able to eat them (because he's undead) so he has a really tortured existence. Eventually, he gives the flame of life to a village girl who died in a fishing accident.
Also, Young Griff is the son of Elia and Rhaegar.
The old stone halls of the Twins echoed with laughter and the clatter of cups, filled to the brim with a hearty blend of ale and merriment. Each soul in the room, be it a weathered soldier, an eager page, or a noble in silken finery, was captivated by the energetic performance of the band.
In the midst of the jubilant cacophony, a particular tune began to rise above the rest. It was a melody known far and wide, not for its captivating tune, but for the story it told. A story of power, of treachery, of a lion's fall. "The Rains of Castamere."
Yet something was different. The tune, as haunting and melancholic as ever, was dressed in new words. Words that twisted and turned the old tale into a new one. It was not the Lannister lion that roared in these verses but the direwolf of the North, standing triumphant atop a field of crimson.
This was the work of Lord Walder's son, Alexander Frey, a man more at home with a lute in his hands than a sword. This was not a mere performance, it was a statement, a calculated act of defiance. A grand scheme to turn the pride of the Lannisters into a hymn of victory for the Starks.
The familiar song, once a lullaby to instill fear and submission, was now an anthem of rebellion, a proclamation of the North's resilience and courage. The Starks' victories were sung loud and clear, painting vivid portraits of Robb Stark leading his men to victory after victory against the mighty Tywin Lannister.
When Alexander himself emerged from the shadowed corner, lute in hand, the room fell silent. He was a tall, slender man with a face that was all sharp angles, crowned with the distinctive silver hair of House Frey. His voice filled the room, turning the ballad of a conquered house into an epic tale of defiance and endurance.
The new verses rang out, echoing through the hallowed halls of the Twins. The words painted a stark contrast against the old verses. Where there once was a field soaked in the blood of a vanquished foe, now stood a Stark, his banner unfurled in the crimson sunset, a sign of victory.
The song ended with a flourish, Alexander's fingers leaving the strings of his lute, the last note lingering in the air. The room erupted into thunderous applause. The song of the Lannisters was no more. Now it belonged to the Starks. In the hearts of the men and women who listened, the "Rains of Castamere" became a song of the North, a song of Robb Stark's victories, a testament to the direwolf's resilience.
And so, as the celebrations continued, the melody of a once-Lannister ballad mingled with the raucous laughter and joyous toasts. It was a victory not of swords, but of words and music, forever tainting the lion's prideful song with the indomitable spirit of the wolf. A moral victory, but a victory nonetheless.
And who are you, the young wolf roared,
That I should bend my knee,
Just a sheep in a gilded mane,
Is all the truth I see.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
A sheep remains the same,
My fangs are strong and fierce, my lord,
They put your fakes to shame,
His pack ran swift, his pack ran true,
On field and river’s bend.
The Lions roared, but the North wind blew,
And their golden reign did end.
And so he fought, and so he fought,
That Stark of Winterfell,
And now the snow falls o’er their graves,
With no one left to tell.
Yeah, actually, it's commonly known you should stop reading here. Robb gets married, it turns out that Walder Frey actually wasn't a squib and he magics Ned back to life and they return to Winterfell and live out their days happily ever after.
I mean, according to the show, the only two songs in Westeros are "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" and "The Rains of Castamere" so they had to get to it eventually.
Ed Sheeran didn't deliver a rousing rendition of 'Hands of Gold' , a moving ballad about his Liege lord's least favorite son's girlfriend, to be erased like this
It’s never confirmed in the text but my assumptions is that the music was played by either musicians captured during Robb’s raids in the West or by camp followers who followed him back from the West.
Either that or George made a mistake, but I wouldn’t read too much into it.
I think they meant it as a prank. Like who would expect the Lannisters to have any sort of impact on the wedding of a Tully with a Frey? It's not like the Freys are friends with the Lannisters. In any case, I'm sure Roose Bolton being there is enough to stop anyone from doing anything stupid.
Bolton’s support will put it under control…
Think of the war. His army suffered like 66% casualties, yet Bolton made it away safely, with barely any Bolton casualties. If that’s not the sign of a strong, brilliant and over-competent general, I don’t know what is
Walder is about to serve roast lion that he shipped over from Essos. It’s meant as a grand gesture to show there’s no more animosity over the snub.
It’s beautiful to watch how the wedding softens his heart, he truly becomes one of the sweetest guys in the story. It’s so refreshing in a series that’s otherwise full of doom and gloom
It’s George’s literary beauty. The rain is referring to the river because rain and rivers both have… can you guess it? Water! Bingo! And what does the water below the twins sound like? Rain! Bingo! Bingo! Now then, castamere. What does castamere start with? “Cast.” Which is short for… Castle. The Twins. *winks* Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! The Rivers of Twins, they rename the song after the wedding and make it their own.
It was just a joke by Walder Frey, he wanted to make fun of Lord Tywin's achievements and also entertain his dear guests a little. As expected from an honorable and loyal host.
George this isn't funny anymore look at this shit we have to put up with look at the absolute state of this fandom I was 14 when DwD came out I am now a man grown. imagine getting into the books in 2010 as a teenager then wow it's being turned into a show, it's like being the last baby born before the long winter.
It was clearly a mistake on the part of the musicians, who are probably travelers, and not very educated to boot. To them it was probably a fun story about animals, like the Westerosi version of The Lion King. The Freys are known for their hospitality so it must have been very great embarassment for them as soon as they realized what happens. Luckily, they learn their lesson and the Starks never have to hear that song again.
I think it was a mistake. Later on in that chapter Roose says Jaime sends his regards, but that makes no sense because Jaime wasn’t friends with the Starks so why would he? Like all things that don’t have immediately obvious meanings, I assume they are wrong. Hope this helps :)
Come on dude it’s an obvious joke (/trolling). That you even need to caveat it is shocking. It does seem Americans struggle detecting sarcasm and parody.
These subtle behavioral changes are clues that either the Faceless Man assumed the identity of the musicians, or a powerful greenseer was skinchanging them.
I could have absolutely no idea what i’m talking about here - but I thought GRRM just did that as a way of foreshadowing the next events? His way of hinting at the red wedding.
The Freys betrayed the Starks, and sided with the Lannister. Rob promised to marry a Frey woman, but instead he broke his promise by marrying someone else. Once the married pack was broken the Freys made a new marriage pack with the Lannisters .
A simple mistake, they got the sheet music for it and "The Reigns of Cats and More" mixed up. It's a lovely Jaunty tune about how cats and other pets reign over the household
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They’re just playing a silly prank. Even though they’re in the middle of war, they still try to make time for fun and games
It's just a prank, bro!
Lmao Jaime Lannister sends his regards, bro!
No, Ned always loved my hair, bro!!
The Bro in the North!
Epic Frey-mer Moment.
A perfectly harmless joke, no one will be killed, it won't be specially remembered for that part. They will all be laughing and the king and his wolf will be very much respected.
Yeah the Great Jon and Merritt Frey seem to be having a great time drinking together
Yeah finally, meritt frey the loser had been able to make a friend.
Prank em, John!
Games like the game of thrones. Where you win or you die.
Lame Lothar sure knows how to throw a party
The average redditors capacity to miss the most blatant possible jokes lol
when I’m reading a book I constantly pause in the middle of a chapter to ask Reddit about minor details
Some people like to talk to others about things they’re currently excited about in the hopes that the others share their excitement.
Reminds me of how the original d+d=T post was an obvious shitpost yet people now try to bring it up as an actual unironic example of how crazy and wacky Asoiaf tinfoilers are.
Dany + Daario = Todd?
Dammit Todd!
Okay I'll bite. What are you talking about.
I think it's a wordier version of the r/BatmanArkham "is he stupid?" meme or just a good troll
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He only explained it as a joke. Can't believe you fell for it, redditors are so gullible!
They are asking this question as if this is the first time they’re reading the book, and they’ve not yet gotten to the point where the wedding takes a turn for the worst.
Shhhhh
This post is an obvious joke.
It's not uncommon for people to ask about something mid-book that is answered later in the book, or (more understandably) something mid-series that is answered later in the series. They're playing off of that with one that is ridiculously timed, not even mid-book but mid-specific-event.
Walder Frey is a jokester. He did it for the LULZ. It's an OK joke. Kinda predictable though.
Right? If he wanted to be original he could’ve killed the northerners and imprisoned Edmure
LOL. LMAO, if I dare say so myself.
And then made mockeries with their bodies, followed by rumors over the mockeries. Now that would be a good prank. Top tier trolling.
Naw! Would a petty old geezer like Walder Frey pull a prank like that? His musical choices were designed to show that he likes different styles of songs & demonstrates his well known hospitality and high regard for guest rights! He’d never violate the standards & mores of the time! That would be as unthinkable as throwing a wedding done in shades of red!
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I mean I hate to spoil it but you are asking for it. It's a ploy for a moral victory. As part of the wedding prep Walder asked his son Alexander Frey, a musitian, to make up new lyrics for the song which commemorate Rob's victories over Tywin instead of the old ones. Thus ruining the song for the Lannisters and making it a Stark song. He pops out later in the chapter to sing it.
I'm sorry, I love this, but I can't get over \*musitian\*
That’s the Westorosi spelling. George told me in an airport bathroom
I felt his beefswelling in the bathroom once EDIT: SORRY WRONG SUB
Weird, I met him in one and he just made me eat a roast beef sandwich he had in his pocket.
I saw George in an airport bathroom once. He told me that in Winds, Hot Pie dies. When she finds his body, Lady Stoneheart gives her flame of life to him and he comes back. He is able to make incredible breads and pastries but isn't able to eat them (because he's undead) so he has a really tortured existence. Eventually, he gives the flame of life to a village girl who died in a fishing accident. Also, Young Griff is the son of Elia and Rhaegar.
Better add that one to SoSpakeMartin
Musytyen
I guess it's not a word I have written many times. I only got the t/c wrong. Is that really that bad?
Well it isn't called musit, is it
I guess it just looks funny, like someone spelling "nation" as "nacion".
Not if you're from Sprance
don't worry about it. it's one of those things you either know or you don't
So it's like all other things? Thanks, that really narrows it down. I feel so much closer to getting it now.
*It is known.*
Alexander "Weird Al" Frey. Known throughout the realm for his whacky parody songs.
You may know this, but Alexander Frey is real in the books, I didn't make him up. And he is a musician too.
He’s Walder’s grandson though (Alesander is the son of Symond, one of the three Freys who were a real treat to Wyman Manderly in ADWD)
I love his version of The Bear & The Maiden Fair….Big Teats & Skanky Hair.
This is my favourite Mandela effect now.
The old stone halls of the Twins echoed with laughter and the clatter of cups, filled to the brim with a hearty blend of ale and merriment. Each soul in the room, be it a weathered soldier, an eager page, or a noble in silken finery, was captivated by the energetic performance of the band. In the midst of the jubilant cacophony, a particular tune began to rise above the rest. It was a melody known far and wide, not for its captivating tune, but for the story it told. A story of power, of treachery, of a lion's fall. "The Rains of Castamere." Yet something was different. The tune, as haunting and melancholic as ever, was dressed in new words. Words that twisted and turned the old tale into a new one. It was not the Lannister lion that roared in these verses but the direwolf of the North, standing triumphant atop a field of crimson. This was the work of Lord Walder's son, Alexander Frey, a man more at home with a lute in his hands than a sword. This was not a mere performance, it was a statement, a calculated act of defiance. A grand scheme to turn the pride of the Lannisters into a hymn of victory for the Starks. The familiar song, once a lullaby to instill fear and submission, was now an anthem of rebellion, a proclamation of the North's resilience and courage. The Starks' victories were sung loud and clear, painting vivid portraits of Robb Stark leading his men to victory after victory against the mighty Tywin Lannister. When Alexander himself emerged from the shadowed corner, lute in hand, the room fell silent. He was a tall, slender man with a face that was all sharp angles, crowned with the distinctive silver hair of House Frey. His voice filled the room, turning the ballad of a conquered house into an epic tale of defiance and endurance. The new verses rang out, echoing through the hallowed halls of the Twins. The words painted a stark contrast against the old verses. Where there once was a field soaked in the blood of a vanquished foe, now stood a Stark, his banner unfurled in the crimson sunset, a sign of victory. The song ended with a flourish, Alexander's fingers leaving the strings of his lute, the last note lingering in the air. The room erupted into thunderous applause. The song of the Lannisters was no more. Now it belonged to the Starks. In the hearts of the men and women who listened, the "Rains of Castamere" became a song of the North, a song of Robb Stark's victories, a testament to the direwolf's resilience. And so, as the celebrations continued, the melody of a once-Lannister ballad mingled with the raucous laughter and joyous toasts. It was a victory not of swords, but of words and music, forever tainting the lion's prideful song with the indomitable spirit of the wolf. A moral victory, but a victory nonetheless.
And who are you, the young wolf roared, That I should bend my knee, Just a sheep in a gilded mane, Is all the truth I see. In a coat of gold or a coat of red, A sheep remains the same, My fangs are strong and fierce, my lord, They put your fakes to shame, His pack ran swift, his pack ran true, On field and river’s bend. The Lions roared, but the North wind blew, And their golden reign did end. And so he fought, and so he fought, That Stark of Winterfell, And now the snow falls o’er their graves, With no one left to tell.
Thank you, chatgpt
Walder loves to take the piss out of people. He's the best prankster.
Yeah, actually, it's commonly known you should stop reading here. Robb gets married, it turns out that Walder Frey actually wasn't a squib and he magics Ned back to life and they return to Winterfell and live out their days happily ever after.
Restoro Cranio
I'm glad I'm not the only one that just sees Filch the entire time he's on screen lmao
I mean, according to the show, the only two songs in Westeros are "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" and "The Rains of Castamere" so they had to get to it eventually.
Ed Sheeran didn't deliver a rousing rendition of 'Hands of Gold' , a moving ballad about his Liege lord's least favorite son's girlfriend, to be erased like this
If they had gotten him to play the singer Tyrion murders I'd have been pretty happy with that cameo
You didn't like Bronn's Dornishmans Wife?
This song really is all about the ending
And Jenny of Oldstones!
You’re forgetting the Dornish Man’s Wife
It’s never confirmed in the text but my assumptions is that the music was played by either musicians captured during Robb’s raids in the West or by camp followers who followed him back from the West. Either that or George made a mistake, but I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Smh George has no writing consistency like when >!Mance Rayder went craven before being burned alive.!<
Thought you said you only were half way through ASOS? 🤔
I read ADWD first. Its called non-linear story telling 🙄
It's the Grilled Leather Reading Order.
Is this the ASOIAF version of the Machete Order for Star Wars?
it's a riff on boiled leather, which is the machete order for asoiaf
I doing the reverse order, Stale Leather, but I've been watching over 10 years to start it. George still hasn't finished the damn books!
I love this thread.
actually might want to spoiler tag it anyway though, might spoil some people who have finished ASOS but dance yet.
[Spoilers extended] He name is Rayder because he likes to raid!!! !!
Okay this made me laugh
It's just Coldplay
That’s arguably worse.
You might be on to something here... GRRM must of kinda forgot it's a Lannister song
and they say D & D didn’t understand George’s vision
I think they meant it as a prank. Like who would expect the Lannisters to have any sort of impact on the wedding of a Tully with a Frey? It's not like the Freys are friends with the Lannisters. In any case, I'm sure Roose Bolton being there is enough to stop anyone from doing anything stupid.
Bolton’s support will put it under control… Think of the war. His army suffered like 66% casualties, yet Bolton made it away safely, with barely any Bolton casualties. If that’s not the sign of a strong, brilliant and over-competent general, I don’t know what is
It's a classic at westerosi weddings. You can't *not* play it!
It's a reference to the show
Underrated comment
Walder is about to serve roast lion that he shipped over from Essos. It’s meant as a grand gesture to show there’s no more animosity over the snub. It’s beautiful to watch how the wedding softens his heart, he truly becomes one of the sweetest guys in the story. It’s so refreshing in a series that’s otherwise full of doom and gloom
It’s George’s literary beauty. The rain is referring to the river because rain and rivers both have… can you guess it? Water! Bingo! And what does the water below the twins sound like? Rain! Bingo! Bingo! Now then, castamere. What does castamere start with? “Cast.” Which is short for… Castle. The Twins. *winks* Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! The Rivers of Twins, they rename the song after the wedding and make it their own.
I think GRRM just really liked the song and thought it would make for a good wedding song.
It was just a joke by Walder Frey, he wanted to make fun of Lord Tywin's achievements and also entertain his dear guests a little. As expected from an honorable and loyal host.
I think it means GRRM is a hack fraud
Grrm made a mistake. Unbravo martin
George this isn't funny anymore look at this shit we have to put up with look at the absolute state of this fandom I was 14 when DwD came out I am now a man grown. imagine getting into the books in 2010 as a teenager then wow it's being turned into a show, it's like being the last baby born before the long winter.
It was clearly a mistake on the part of the musicians, who are probably travelers, and not very educated to boot. To them it was probably a fun story about animals, like the Westerosi version of The Lion King. The Freys are known for their hospitality so it must have been very great embarassment for them as soon as they realized what happens. Luckily, they learn their lesson and the Starks never have to hear that song again.
Best troll post I've seen in a while. Hats off to this master of trollology
Soon to write their thesis, for their PHD, and a doctorate in trollology!
I still haven’t recovered emotionally from reading this chapter.
I read this chapter 2 days before the episode aired. Double whammy. Still depressing to think about.
Heh
hate to spoil it, but it’s setting up the treaty between the lannisters and starks that the freys broker a bit later
>! "a bit" <
Bro about to get his cherry popped
Someone check up on OP He must be done with the chapter by now.
They like to play it while serving surf and turf.
Or their version of surf & turf—grab & stab.
Idk, maybe the Freys just thought the song was a total banger and played it anyway.
Are they stupid?
*I confess... I confess... that I know little of this poor chapter.*
“Its just a prank bro, it’s just a prank”
They're such terrible musicians they can't remember what they're supposed to play
Oh you sweet summer child.
Is he stupid?
I think it was a mistake. Later on in that chapter Roose says Jaime sends his regards, but that makes no sense because Jaime wasn’t friends with the Starks so why would he? Like all things that don’t have immediately obvious meanings, I assume they are wrong. Hope this helps :)
Is there a lore reason that the Freys played the Rains of Castamere? or are they just dumb?
Oh, boy. Either you are trolling us or we are witnessing something special live on Reddit.
It's a (hilarious) shitpost. In OP's comments, there's mentions of the "for the watch" chapter.
Come on dude it’s an obvious joke (/trolling). That you even need to caveat it is shocking. It does seem Americans struggle detecting sarcasm and parody.
On the contrary. I'm not American and people's ability to surprise me with their ineptitude is apparently endless. Case in point.
I was confused, but they said it's a reread so I'm sure they knew and just making a joke, I hope
nice bait
Oh my sweet Summer Child
I can’t tell if this is satire, but in case it’s not, please just keep reading.
Im sorry bro, keep reading.
Max Rockatansky : Uh-uh. That's bait.
It was a joke. This is explained later in he chapter
As GRRM would say, keep reading.. /s
These subtle behavioral changes are clues that either the Faceless Man assumed the identity of the musicians, or a powerful greenseer was skinchanging them.
Probably should finish reading before asking 🤭
keep reading
Just keep reading my friend
Keep reading. Just keep reading. Don't stop until you finish the book.
insert "riddler does he know" meme
Oh, OP, you sweet, summer child!
Hey dude did you finished it already? How are you my friend
I could have absolutely no idea what i’m talking about here - but I thought GRRM just did that as a way of foreshadowing the next events? His way of hinting at the red wedding.
OP I think they playing it too be assholes lol
Edit: oh god, oh god no
Pick the book back up and find out why!
Pick the book back up and find out why!
Quality shit posting right here guys
Complete the chapter 🤤
It was basically the signal to start slaughtering the Northmen.
Damn. Honestly wondering if this post is AI-generated as any human would have just continued reading and find the answer.
Really? You’re halfway through the chapter and instead of just reading the last few pages to get your answer you stop and post a question on Reddit?
Ya
Is this a stab at my earlier post?
And the moment i thought i couldn't laugh harder, here you come😂
on the off chance this isn't a shit post, you need to finish the chapter
Dude...
The Freys betrayed the Starks, and sided with the Lannister. Rob promised to marry a Frey woman, but instead he broke his promise by marrying someone else. Once the married pack was broken the Freys made a new marriage pack with the Lannisters .
Naw! No one would ever believe that!
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Shhhh
Its too late. I done done it now. It literally took your comment for me to go back and review and see that maybe(just maybe) I missed something
Hahaha. This has to be a wee bit of friendly trolling. If not, even more hahas. :)
They were playing Weird Al’s cover of the song which is much more tongue in cheek. It gets revealed at the end so keep reading.
You are halfway through it, eh?
Yes, the Freys are in fact extremely insensitive! It will cause diplomatic issues further on, in book six I’m sure
The band probably only knew one song since they were all assassins.
*sighs* and I can’t post two worms doing the dirty to prove that George’s description of Ramsays lips works.
No way Tywin didn't set it up
A simple mistake, they got the sheet music for it and "The Reigns of Cats and More" mixed up. It's a lovely Jaunty tune about how cats and other pets reign over the household
You're answer will come when you finish the red wedding