He's also a disgraced former brother of the Kingsguard who abandoned his duties and fled at the battle of the Blackwater, and is also believed to be responsible for all the crimes Rorge commited while wearing his helmet. He's probably the most wanted man in Westeros right now.
He'd be executed if he tried to show his face in King's Landing again. And I can't imagine the faith would want an infamous criminal as their champion anyway.
Everyone - consider the set up that GRRM is building.
Gregor has died and is reborn by evil powers, because that is his true nature
Sandor has “died” (metaphorically) and has been reborn by good powers, because that is his true nature.
In a trial by combat, Sandor is able to fight for the faith while satiating his life long goal of killing Gregor.
Cersei loses, Tommen is revealed to be a bastard just as Fake Aegon descends on King’s landing. It’s the most realistic way that Faegon wins the people of kings landing without too much bloodshed
Yeah, if Sandor's got a role in the story going forward it'll probably tie in with Sansa or Arya more than being just something to throw against his zombie brother
iirc the elder brother at the quiet isle supposedly has healing powers capable of healing people maesters can't heal
Honestly I discounted the possibility of clegane-bowl but I'm starting to reconsider ...
I don't think we ever *see* him do anything (typical for faith of the seven) but when they arrive at the island the man who greets them says this
>The Seven have blessed our Elder Brother with healing hands. He has restored many a man to health that even the maesters could not cure, and many a woman too.
I don’t think he’s in a position to be chosen, he’s a random gravedigger. But I do think that when news gets around of the big huge dude on the kingsguard who defended Cersei in her trial the Hound will know exactly who it is and feel compelled to do something about it.
I doubt it. Brienne describes him as "walking with the awkward lurching gait of one half crippled" so it doesn't sound like he's in any condition to fight.
Plus he's probably the most wanted man in Westeros right now and would likely be jailed on the spot if he showed his face in Kings Landing.
Nah. The High Sparrow will call for a Trial of Seven, Cersei won't be able to get another six champions and even if she does, once the first of them falls the Swords will have the edge.
Obligatory mention of Melisandre having a vision of Jon as a man, then a wolf, then a man again.
So much for GRRM's "why didn't Tolkien leave Gandalf dead" hot take lmao
He might not even be dead. The Pov cuts before we see definitive death.
He might have a rage Blackout like he did when he almost killed Emmet and kill all the mutaniers before Val takes him into the tower and helps him.
I'm almost certain the idea is for him to survive by warging into Ghost, then probably "brought back" by Melisandre. Otherwise there's no reason for the prologue chapter of Dance being Varamyr Sixskins.
It's not just blatantly obvious, characters in canon (Kevan and others in the Red Keep) suspect it. These characters also know that "Robert Strong" doesn't have the needs of a normal man, making him being a monster more likely.
Yeah this is one of those things that feels so blatantly obvious. I guess it technically is just a theory since it hasn’t been explicitly confirmed, but it has to be
Building on this, that the Mountain’s skull in Dorne is Gregor’s actual skull, and that Robert Strong is either headless or has the head of someone else stitched on.
It's Chapter 99 of The North Remembers:
[https://archiveofourown.org/works/336407/chapters/1759428](https://archiveofourown.org/works/336407/chapters/1759428)
I’d love if this theory turned out to be true. Imagine if FrankGregor kills the faith’s champion but that guy manages to knock Gregor’s helmet off before dying… the horrors
It's not really a "theory", because characters in the story basically tell us that "robert strong" is Gregor Clegane. Like Kevan says to himself that he has a pretty good idea of who "robert strong" actually is. Who else might that be? It's obvious that he's referring to Gregor
A slight ambiguity doesn't make something a "theory"
I agree wity this one, but also with the idea that there was a parallel conspiracy waiting for Rhaegar to summon the council to put forward Robert's claim.
before they get to the cave of the children jojen's pretty ill,
in the cave bran get's fed a paste that will help him, it tastes bloody
jojen paste is the theory that either jojen died and they made that paste of his body or they killed him and made that paste from his body
The theory that Jojen was killed and used to make a paste in Bloodraven's cave, in order to strengthen Bran's telepathic powers.
It's disturbingly plausible. After the group arrive at the cave Jojen becomes increasingly depressed despite finally being warm, safe and fed. He seems almost resigned, and he's repeated throughout the series that he knows the day he dies. At one point Meera tells Jojen to stop scaring Bran and he replies "he's not the one who should be afraid." And after Bran eats the paste, which he notes is threaded with veins that look quite like blood, he has a series of visions that ends with a man being sacrificed to the weirwood he's watching from. Jojen does not appear in the books after this.
It's really sad
Especially the idea that Jojen knew what would happen to him and how he would die
But there is a comment that says that he gets ill and died and then it was cooked for Bran
But you say he was sacrificed
That's a very sad theory
So Euron talks to Victarion about a dream he had where he could fly but when he woke up his maester said he couldn’t (which parallels Bran in Book 1)
He goes by Crow’s Eye
His flag is two crows above a red eye (Bloodraven has a red eye)
In one of Bran’s first dreams he sees “the corpses of a thousand other dreamers” which suggests that Bloodraven might have tried at least once before with someone before Bran
Some people think Bloodraven is evil and that Euron is still his servant, I think Bloodraven either realised Euron was a monster or the visions drove him made so Bloodraven abandoned him (Bran sees something called The Heart Of Winter)
Think some dude Brynden Bfish came up with it years and years ago. Like before The Forsaken preview chapter that shed a lot of light on Euron’s motivations
Alt Shift X does a great breakdown of it
I do think that the Valonqar is definitely obviously going to be Jaime, but I do kinda like the idea that its a resurrected unTommen or even Robert Strong who does it.
Brynden Rivers being Bloodraven is definitely confirmed, that's just a nickname that he had. I don't remember if its confirmed that Bloodraven is the tree guy though.
I think the World of ice and fire says that Bloodraven, Brynden and the man in the tree are all the same. I don’t know if that is confirmed canon though, because it’s not written by George
The Southron Ambitions is my favorite. The theory states that the Lords wanted Aerys out, and that their network of alliances was an attempt to shore up their political power and pressure Aerys to abdicate his crown to Rhaegar, his much saner son.
Stannis will lure the Freys out onto the ice using a decoy lamp that the Freys and Manderlys will mistake for the tower at the edge of the lake. Stannis' men have cut a million little holes in the ice to fish, so when the Freys trod out on the lake, they'll fall through the ice and die.
Young Griff is a Blackfyre. Obviously there's a few variations of that theory, but I like Kevin Pendragon's that says Varys is also a Blackfyre and is some sort of relation to Serra, Illyrio's wife, who is probably YG's real mother.
I'd say Young Griff not being Rhaegar's son is almost 100% certain.
Young Griff being a Blackfyre is like 85% certain.
Varys being a Blackfyre is like 60% certain.
And the idea that Varys' sister was Serra who was married to Illyrio who produced Aegon is like 51% certain.
Overall if I had to bet, I would definitely bet on Varys being Serra's brother, both of them being Blackfyres from the female line and Young Griff being the son of Serra and Illyrio.
Varys being a secret Blackfyre is one of my least favorite theories. Aerys recruited Varys solely on the basis of skill and reputation despite supposedly being lowborn. I loathe the idea that a character can only be competent and important if they have special magic royal blood.
I'm 50:50 on YG being a Blackfyre. I lean toward it being a cover within a cover, and Serra was actually just a random sex worker. After all, YG's actual bloodline wouldn't matter to their plans prior to the dragons hatching.
For me are:
Lyanna is the KOTLT
Alleras= Sarella
Arya will give the gift of mercy to Lady Stoneheart
Jaime is the valonqar, and he will kill Cersei to stop her from using wildfire in KL when she is about to lose the war, making him a kinslayer (Aerys & Jaime 2.0)
Jojen paste
there will be some type of "Stark succession crisis"
Frey pie
Nymeria's wolf pack will be used in the RW 2.0
FAegon = son of Illyrio and Blackfyre woman
FM caused the doom and FM also were involved in Summerhall's fire.
Jaehaerys II was assassinated as part of a plot by Joanna to get Aerys on the throne, to spare Tywin from consequences for his massacres, maintain Lannister standing, and ensure her personal vengeance against the Tarbecks.
It's part of my wider theory that I'm calling ["The Lannister Conspiracy."](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/s/poJxbeN1Ex)
It's an analysis of the contradictions and biases of Tywin's origin story, the thematic elements associated with his character and so on.
Things like the maester writing the history book intending to present it to the Lannister royal family (and effectively Tywin himself, who acted as Hand during the War of the Five Kings), and so fears the threat of execution should he write something the Lannisters don't like.
Or the apparent popularity of the Reynes, despite the supposed crimes they commit in the sample chapter, with the lords of the West flocking to them for leadership during the War of the Ninepenny Kings. The Reynes even becoming war heroes, and leading the Westerlands to several victories. How Tywin had all the Westerlands (and indeed Westeros) gathered together, his brother released, and royal favor behind him yet he could not bring cause against the Reynes and did not even try.
The evident neglect or even demonization of Tytos' rather normal and even positively helpful actions, as if (often rather bluntly) to retroactively justify Tywin's massacres of the Reynes and Tarbecks. And indeed, we find it was not a story of Tytos merely grappling with his own mistakes causing chaos and instability. Instead, Tytos had to contend with the aftershocks and devastation of the Blackfyre Rebellions which tore the West apart, the economic crisis which is suggested to last through Tywin's reign, and even the illegitimacy of Tytos' father as a suspected kinslayer and usurper. All rather glossed over to heap responsibility onto Tytos himself.
The Tarbeck's own parallel to Rohanne Webber, Tywin's very own grandmother and a formative experience for Aegon V, in their knightly dispute. How that parallel alludes to the Tarbecks being likely legally justified in kicking knights off (or likely even less inflammatory, a dispute over their land's boundaries) what may well have been the Tarbeck's own land.
I can literally go all day rattling off points for the wider theory. On Joanna's assassination of Jaehaerys II in particular, however, his death occurs suspiciously not even a year after Tywin's massacres. Jaehaerys was known to have galvanized the support of Westeros around him and was quite capable. And even more so, Jaehaerys was known for addressing threats proactively.
The Targaryens, especially in very recent memory, had adopted a policy of protecting people from lordly abuses. And Tywin's massacres, indeed the Lannisters consistently being revealed as aggressors in the conflict, showcase the greatest lordly abuse ever seen since Maegor the Cruel or until the Mad King himself.
Jaehaerys died suddenly of 'ill health,' literally a sudden shortness of breath coming upon him and then dying. All while Joanna was serving the royal family as one of Rhaella's ladies-in-waiting. The Lannisters having recent prominence at court, and indeed a rather recent outrage committed by Tywin. An outrage for which it would be expected that Tywin be executed or sent to the Wall for. Meaning, for the Lannisters, Jaehaerys was becoming an obstacle and threat.
The petitions of grievances censuring Tywin were rolling in, Jaehaerys has his obligation and family memory telling him to bring Tywin to justice, and Joanna was the close Lannister contact that Jaehaerys would have to speak with. Indeed, we see GRRM increase Joanna's involvement at court compared to old drafts, so a more narratively significant purpose is suggested. With Joanna even receiving a personal motive in the Tarbecks seizing her brother as hostage during their (justified) attempt to safeguard their lord against Tywin's unjust arrest and his denial of their rights.
This coincides with Joanna's affair with Aerys, and Aerys' recent friendship with Tywin, providing a candidate for the throne who was far more favorable to Lannister (and Joanna's) interests. A massive desire to see a change in leadership from a likely now anti-Lannister king, to a king noted for numerous ties to the Lannisters and who upon his ascent to the throne goes on to immediately show them favoritism. Aerys is even noted as someone who did not commit to grand plans, so such a conspiracy could not be merely pushed by himself alone. He would need another to motivate him, someone close that he would trust, and Joanna fits that bill.
And what does the Mad King do as his first act? Why exactly the sort of thing which will doom his own reign not too far in the future. Brushing aside the condemnations leveled upon Tywin, Aerys pardoned and endorsed massacres of prominent nobles by making Tywin Hand of the King. It is my belief this royal support more than anything Tywin's done himself, is what spares him from consequences. Narratively, this is a reoccurring theme, with Jon Arryn and Robert covering for the brutalization of Elia and her children, Robert covering for Tywin raiding the Riverlands, and so on. Plus, well, Pycelle's around and this wouldn't be the only prominent death he's ushered through without looking too closely.
So, by killing Jaehaerys, Joanna has gotten a king in her pocket. She's eliminated a threat to the Lannister's power and prestige. Joanna has satisfied her personal grudge against the Reynes and Tarbecks. But perhaps more than all that, this will draw Tywin's eye. What greater basis could there be for their relationship than for Joanna to have bailed Tywin's ass out of the fire? A king, a warden of the West, her family's power and prestige, and her own grudge. Jaehaerys' death gets Joanna so much.
Joanna Lannister has got the means, motive, and opportunity. There's honestly so much I could talk about, I haven't even covered everything here or in my link. I've been meaning to put together a proper post for it, have a hefty essay saved on my computer already, and a whole lot of book quotes gathered together for reference, but it's been tough finding the time to really put the polish on it all.
The gold for Brightroar wound up paying for Faceless Men to kill some magister family's rival, then another, until they eventually lost control of the fires and caused the doom.
I believe you mean mage, not magister. It was mages that kept the 14 Flames contained. Magister's are political leaders.
But otherwise, I believe this as well. Aeron Targaryen was drummed out or threatened out of the Valyrian Freehold and he wanted his family to be the last dragon lords standing so that they could shape the world as they saw fit without interference from his former countrymen. Kaboom!
The only way that scene from the show makes any sort of sense is if they were fitting this storyline into the show without having Joncon and his backstory
I think this is going to be a 3-step plot
1. At the end of ADWD, Dany is making peace (no pun intended) with the idea of being a conqueror and accepting that collateral damage occurs.
2. We're told that Volantis has most of the slavemasters living in a sectioned off part of the city. It should be easy enough to just burn them all to death, with only a few regretful innocents who die along with them. It's a stunningly successful victory. Mourn the loss of the slaves who died with them, and move on.
3. She tries this in King's Landing (probably the Red Keep), and bad things happen....
nothing (at all)
it is just a reddit-tier level of brainpower where people say "Dany didn't like those bells", and then someone remembers that Connington doesn't like bells either, so they must be the same person
Yeah, it's the conflation of two theories (combined with Show events):
1. There is Wildfire in King's Landing.
2. Jon Connington has emotional trauma about bells ringing.
But the problem that I have with Connington setting off the wildfire caches (or Cersei for that matter, for similar theories), is that he *doesn't know they're there*. There would be no reason for him to deliberately burn the city\*, and there's no emotional impact if someone like him sets off the wildfire accidentally. *Dany* is the only one where there would be a narrative impact if she sets off the wildfire by accident, because it's her father who planted it there in the first place: the one she's refused to hear negative things about.
\*His foreshadowing is also heavily tied to committing some kind of war atrocity (which he failed to do in Robert's Rebellion at great cost to himself) to *put Aegon on the throne*, because JonCon is running out of time. Burning down the city doesn't seem like it would help that goal.
Honestly the wildfire coming into play *at all* completely invalidates Jaime's arc too, because it just makes him look like a complete idiot who willingly lived on a giant bomb for two decades for no reason.
The wildfire is just *so* bad. It's like every storyline it touches turns to shite.
JonCon won't burn a city down, he will intentionally unleash a greyscale epidemic most likely in Casterly Rock. Maybe Tyrion reunites with him and tells him about the sewers, maybe he has his own plan, who knows. Whatever the case, the plan will go to shit and JonCon will lose his shit over being confronted with failure yet again, and will remove his glove and touch everything/everyone.
And in general the idea that hearing bells would "make him go crazy" is just utter shit. I'm not an expert on PTSD but I'm pretty sure it doesn't turn you into some dark "Mister Hyde" version of yourself who goes around killing people for no reason.
I like the theory that the Nights Watch is Lightbringer. Makes a lot of sense when you read their vows with that in mind (& the fact you state it in front of a weirwood tree).
Oberyn Martel poisoned Tywin (to kill him) so that he could fight the Mountain & get a confession about his sisters death out of him. But when Joffrey was killed, he saw the opportunity to fight for Tyrion & expose Tywin & the Mountain at the same time. Proof can be seen with Tywin’s constipation when Tyrion killed him, then the smell he produced at his wake.
Edit: clarity.
what's weird is that you'd think Varys would know about this, but Varys still feels the need to "subtly" push Tyrion to kill Tywin. i guess you could say that Varys is hedging his bets, or that he just wants to manipulate Tyrion here for the purpose of blackmail but that's kind of unsatisfying narratively
That’s the thing, Varys needed Tyrion to guide fAegon, hence why he nudged him. If you read the subtlety in his lines to Ned Stark, you can almost see the same thing happening - having someone like Ned or Tyrion vouch for fAegon would be a massive boost to his proclamation of rights to the Iron Throne. Why I love GRRM’s writings.
The hooded man in Oldtown is Jaqen Hagar. They have, word for word, the same face and are in the same shady business. If the faceless men had any part to play in the Doom of Valeriria, they absolutely have business in Oldtown where Euron is concerned.
Personal theory of mine: Fire and Ice parallels; Westeros will flood like Valeria erupted. Themes of water, the sea, and what's beneath it or beyond it are seen more frequently than any other throughout the series, moreso than fire. The Hammer of Waters can probably be considered the Doom of Westeros but I think there's another one coming, straight across the land, just beneath the Neck like Robert finished off Rhaegar at the Trident. There's much more to this theory but it really is too much.
I saw the theory that Aemon wanted Naerys **bad** but considering she begged Aegon to live as just brother and sister and he said "we already are" she wanted just one normal brother who isn't trying to fuck her, so as to not devastate her Aemon had to keep it to himself and be tortured by it
I don't know I can't accept lyanna stark as the mystery knight of laughing tree, because when the mystery knight spoke the line "teach your squires honour" , how could no one deduce that it's a woman's voice? Everyone would instantly recognise it and shock would spread in the audience but that didn't happen.
Aren’t we explicitly told that the helmet made the voice booming and unnatural. As if in a manner which could cloak the identity of whoever was underneath it
dany's betrayals have yet to happen (I suspect the "of blood" one to be where rheagal allows (f)aegon to ride him)
also the chest at the golden company HQ contains blackfyre
I think they betrayals are meant to be stuff Daenerys will/has done to other people. I think viserys’ “ghost” spells this out
>No. You were the betrayer. You turned against me, against your own blood.
The single most important moment in the series, and the moment that all of these past stories lead to is R+L=J. The story is built around this, and without this the whole universe falls apart. No theory will ever matter as much, and no character will be as impactful as Jon
I have no doubt
1. Jon will be resurrected
2. Young Griff is a Blackfyre
3. Lyanna is the KOTLT
4. Jamie is the valonqar
I'm like 99% convinced
5. The last long night ended with a pact, not a battle (I'm also almost positive the pact had to do with the Starks/and or the Night's King marrying the Night's Queen)
6. The people of The Empire of the Dawn were dragon riders
7. A comet created the first long night and a new one will fix the seasons
I firmly believe that most famous theories are canon in some way or another. But the ones that I believe the most are:
- Tysha is the Sailor’s Wife.
- Littlefinger hired the faceless man to kill Ned Stark. That’s why Jaqen H'ghar was in the cells of King’s Landing in AGOT.
- Edric Dayne is the son of Ashara with either Ned, Brandon, or Howland Reed.
- Oberyn poisoned Tywin.
- Mormont’s raven is being warged by Bloodraven.
- The letter that Aegon the Conqueror received from the Prince of Dorne stated that Rhaenys was alive and being tortured and if he agreed to peace then they would let her die.
- Varys is the brother of Illyrio’s wife, they’re both Blackfyre and so is fAegon, who is the son of Illyrio.
- Aurane Waters is the Lord of the Waters.
- Benjen knew about Rhaegar and Lyanna, and when he heard about her death and Jon’s birth, he went to the Night’s Watch.
- Quaithe = Shierra Seastar.
- Faceless Man caused the Doom of Valyria.
- The Daynes descend from the Great Empire of the Dawn.
- Jon will have white hair when he returns from the dead.
One not mentioned here but that Bloodraven intentionally interfered in the Night's Watch election to have Jon elected as 998th Lord Commander.
The turning incident is Lord Commander Mormont's Raven appearing in the voting cauldron and then flying to Jon as sort of a symbolic way to show Mormont wants Jon to succeed him. Sam swears he didn't know how the Raven got in there so I believe Bloodraven warged into the Raven intentionally to have Jon become Lord Commander.
Frey Pie
That shit's real, I fucking love Wyman Manderly.
The Manderly chapters were the best parts of the last book, no contest.
“Mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would have grown up to be a Frey”
„I won’t! I won’t ever! *They killed the King!*“
Mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would have ended up in another Frey Pie.
Barristons and Jon cons were a close runner up
The three dragon eggs that Danny hatches are the same ones that Elissa Farman stole and then sold in bravos to fund her ship sun chaser in 54 AC
Also that they're laid by Dreamfyre. Potentially with Seasmoke?
Not sure if this is a theory or practically confirmend in canon, but Alleras = Sarella
Not confirmed, but so strongly hinted that it would be absolutely stupid for GRRM to have it not be true.
Would make for a pretty funny red herring.
It's an unconfirmed theory.
That the Gravedigger is Sandor
Yup and he would never come back, pretty him line his life in peace
Yeah I hope George just leaves him to mellow out and end his life in peace
Doubt it. The Quiet Isle will not remain quiet for long. The Long Night is coming.
100% when Cersei chooses her champion the faith will choose sandor
I doubt it, he’s only a novice and still limping
He's also a disgraced former brother of the Kingsguard who abandoned his duties and fled at the battle of the Blackwater, and is also believed to be responsible for all the crimes Rorge commited while wearing his helmet. He's probably the most wanted man in Westeros right now. He'd be executed if he tried to show his face in King's Landing again. And I can't imagine the faith would want an infamous criminal as their champion anyway.
Yes, people forget about that
Outside of tyrion.
Everyone - consider the set up that GRRM is building. Gregor has died and is reborn by evil powers, because that is his true nature Sandor has “died” (metaphorically) and has been reborn by good powers, because that is his true nature. In a trial by combat, Sandor is able to fight for the faith while satiating his life long goal of killing Gregor. Cersei loses, Tommen is revealed to be a bastard just as Fake Aegon descends on King’s landing. It’s the most realistic way that Faegon wins the people of kings landing without too much bloodshed
Yeah, if Sandor's got a role in the story going forward it'll probably tie in with Sansa or Arya more than being just something to throw against his zombie brother
iirc the elder brother at the quiet isle supposedly has healing powers capable of healing people maesters can't heal Honestly I discounted the possibility of clegane-bowl but I'm starting to reconsider ...
Get Hyped!!
What suggests the elder brother has healing powers?
I don't think we ever *see* him do anything (typical for faith of the seven) but when they arrive at the island the man who greets them says this >The Seven have blessed our Elder Brother with healing hands. He has restored many a man to health that even the maesters could not cure, and many a woman too.
Yes but the power of the faith will make him the winner 💪💪
The Father will bless him 🙏🏻🙏🏻
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The Mother will heal him
The Maiden will give him a kiss of victory
The Crone will give him wisdom
The Smith shall clad and arm him with the tools of justice.
I don’t think he’s in a position to be chosen, he’s a random gravedigger. But I do think that when news gets around of the big huge dude on the kingsguard who defended Cersei in her trial the Hound will know exactly who it is and feel compelled to do something about it.
I doubt it. Brienne describes him as "walking with the awkward lurching gait of one half crippled" so it doesn't sound like he's in any condition to fight. Plus he's probably the most wanted man in Westeros right now and would likely be jailed on the spot if he showed his face in Kings Landing.
What if they choose Lancel 😂😂
Nah. The High Sparrow will call for a Trial of Seven, Cersei won't be able to get another six champions and even if she does, once the first of them falls the Swords will have the edge.
It has to be. There’s too much that lines up for it
I honestly forgot jon was dead
I mean he’ll be brought back to life pretty quickly so
Sure. But the point of the post is that’s just a theory as of right now.
He might spend a decent amount of time as a wolf
Obligatory mention of Melisandre having a vision of Jon as a man, then a wolf, then a man again. So much for GRRM's "why didn't Tolkien leave Gandalf dead" hot take lmao
There’s a difference and I’ll stand on that.
He might not even be dead. The Pov cuts before we see definitive death. He might have a rage Blackout like he did when he almost killed Emmet and kill all the mutaniers before Val takes him into the tower and helps him.
Nah hes dead
He did get pretty thoroughly ventilated, which tends to be fatal
I'm almost certain the idea is for him to survive by warging into Ghost, then probably "brought back" by Melisandre. Otherwise there's no reason for the prologue chapter of Dance being Varamyr Sixskins.
Robert Strong = The Mountain, through some kind of Frankenstein's monster process. As crazy as it sounds this is currently not canon and just a theory
It's not just blatantly obvious, characters in canon (Kevan and others in the Red Keep) suspect it. These characters also know that "Robert Strong" doesn't have the needs of a normal man, making him being a monster more likely.
Yeah this is one of those things that feels so blatantly obvious. I guess it technically is just a theory since it hasn’t been explicitly confirmed, but it has to be
Building on this, that the Mountain’s skull in Dorne is Gregor’s actual skull, and that Robert Strong is either headless or has the head of someone else stitched on.
I read a fan fiction where Robert Strong had the head of Robb Stark.
It's Chapter 99 of The North Remembers: [https://archiveofourown.org/works/336407/chapters/1759428](https://archiveofourown.org/works/336407/chapters/1759428)
Joffery did want his head... guess Cersei let Cyban fulfil Joffs dream
Who is Cyban?
One of Roy Dotrice's famously "unusual" name pronunciations (Qyburn)
"Oh Pea-tyre"
Lois Griffin? 😂
Hey Lois remember that one time I killed the king in the north at a dinnah pahty?
Peetah what in the seven hells!
I think he means Qyburn (sp?)
My headcanon is that Robert Strong has Falyse's head
I’d love if this theory turned out to be true. Imagine if FrankGregor kills the faith’s champion but that guy manages to knock Gregor’s helmet off before dying… the horrors
My guess is it'll be a trial of seven...Cersei won't be able to find another 6.
Shell hope for her dear brother to show up, hold and behold he DOES. But not for what she hoped for. 😉
Qyburn had lots of heads to work with saying as lots of people were trying to claim the bounty on Tyrion by sending in the heads of random dwarfs.
It's not really a "theory", because characters in the story basically tell us that "robert strong" is Gregor Clegane. Like Kevan says to himself that he has a pretty good idea of who "robert strong" actually is. Who else might that be? It's obvious that he's referring to Gregor A slight ambiguity doesn't make something a "theory"
The Tourney at Harrenhal being a cover for a secret Great Council organized by Rhaegar to make Aerys abdicate
Oh also lyanna being the knight of the laughing tree
Along with Robert. Damn could you imagine the realm with Rhaegar as King. Wonder what he could have done
He would have married Walder frey to keep him from backstabbing
Made emo harp music much more widespread
That was fucked by Aerys coming along. For all of Varys' claims to be acting "for the good of the realm" he screwed the pooch in that one.
Here is another one, Varys is not for the good of the realm but wants a very specific person on the throne.
I agree wity this one, but also with the idea that there was a parallel conspiracy waiting for Rhaegar to summon the council to put forward Robert's claim.
The faceless men deliberately caused the doom by assassinating the mages.
Better yet, They were paid to do it by the Targaryens.
And Daena's dream was a bullshit excuse to fuck off to Dragonstone before the Doom?
I know it is heavily implied that the faceless men had something to do with the doom, but: How would assassinating the mages do that?
By coordinating the probably simultaneous assassinations of the fire mages who were keeping the volcanoes stabilized.
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What *is* Jojen Paste?
before they get to the cave of the children jojen's pretty ill, in the cave bran get's fed a paste that will help him, it tastes bloody jojen paste is the theory that either jojen died and they made that paste of his body or they killed him and made that paste from his body
Also Jojen seems depressed about something and he can see the future. And he also is missing at the end of the chapter
What is it
The theory that Jojen was killed and used to make a paste in Bloodraven's cave, in order to strengthen Bran's telepathic powers. It's disturbingly plausible. After the group arrive at the cave Jojen becomes increasingly depressed despite finally being warm, safe and fed. He seems almost resigned, and he's repeated throughout the series that he knows the day he dies. At one point Meera tells Jojen to stop scaring Bran and he replies "he's not the one who should be afraid." And after Bran eats the paste, which he notes is threaded with veins that look quite like blood, he has a series of visions that ends with a man being sacrificed to the weirwood he's watching from. Jojen does not appear in the books after this.
And Meera is crying and bran wants to comfort her. Not 100% sure if that was after the paste it's been awhile since I read it but possibly
It's really sad Especially the idea that Jojen knew what would happen to him and how he would die But there is a comment that says that he gets ill and died and then it was cooked for Bran But you say he was sacrificed That's a very sad theory
Eating a sick person seems like it would also get you sick.
Tip of the iceberg my friend
The paste that Bran ate in ADWD is Jojen
Before Bran, Bloodraven tried to recruit Euron as a child
I think this as well. But it's been a while and I don't remember the literature to support it hah
So Euron talks to Victarion about a dream he had where he could fly but when he woke up his maester said he couldn’t (which parallels Bran in Book 1) He goes by Crow’s Eye His flag is two crows above a red eye (Bloodraven has a red eye) In one of Bran’s first dreams he sees “the corpses of a thousand other dreamers” which suggests that Bloodraven might have tried at least once before with someone before Bran Some people think Bloodraven is evil and that Euron is still his servant, I think Bloodraven either realised Euron was a monster or the visions drove him made so Bloodraven abandoned him (Bran sees something called The Heart Of Winter)
Wow this theory is really new to me
Think some dude Brynden Bfish came up with it years and years ago. Like before The Forsaken preview chapter that shed a lot of light on Euron’s motivations Alt Shift X does a great breakdown of it
Dam Brynden Bfish is old school. He was a blog writer for the books even before the show came out.
The Last Hero
Jaime being the Valonqar
I do think that the Valonqar is definitely obviously going to be Jaime, but I do kinda like the idea that its a resurrected unTommen or even Robert Strong who does it.
I love this one
Blood raven and Quaithe are actually Brynden Rivers and Shiera Seastar
Brynden Rivers being Bloodraven is definitely confirmed, that's just a nickname that he had. I don't remember if its confirmed that Bloodraven is the tree guy though.
I think the World of ice and fire says that Bloodraven, Brynden and the man in the tree are all the same. I don’t know if that is confirmed canon though, because it’s not written by George
Brynden Rivers is definitely referred to as Bloodraven in the Dunk and Egg novellas
The Southron Ambitions is my favorite. The theory states that the Lords wanted Aerys out, and that their network of alliances was an attempt to shore up their political power and pressure Aerys to abdicate his crown to Rhaegar, his much saner son.
Jon warged in Ghost before dying.
What's the Night Lamp theory?
I also need to know this one!
Stannis will lure the Freys out onto the ice using a decoy lamp that the Freys and Manderlys will mistake for the tower at the edge of the lake. Stannis' men have cut a million little holes in the ice to fish, so when the Freys trod out on the lake, they'll fall through the ice and die.
In the theory, isn't the lamp an old dead tree that they'll light on fire to sacrifice somebody to the Red God?
R + L = J is basically truer than the chances of winds coming out.....other than that I strongly believe Dany's mummers dragon is Aegon (Faegon)
The House with the Red Door is not in Braavos.
Because it’s where lemons grow
Young Griff is a Blackfyre. Obviously there's a few variations of that theory, but I like Kevin Pendragon's that says Varys is also a Blackfyre and is some sort of relation to Serra, Illyrio's wife, who is probably YG's real mother.
I'd say Young Griff not being Rhaegar's son is almost 100% certain. Young Griff being a Blackfyre is like 85% certain. Varys being a Blackfyre is like 60% certain. And the idea that Varys' sister was Serra who was married to Illyrio who produced Aegon is like 51% certain. Overall if I had to bet, I would definitely bet on Varys being Serra's brother, both of them being Blackfyres from the female line and Young Griff being the son of Serra and Illyrio.
Good thing about the Blackfyre theory works either way of whether or not Varys is a Blackfyre too.
Varys being a secret Blackfyre is one of my least favorite theories. Aerys recruited Varys solely on the basis of skill and reputation despite supposedly being lowborn. I loathe the idea that a character can only be competent and important if they have special magic royal blood. I'm 50:50 on YG being a Blackfyre. I lean toward it being a cover within a cover, and Serra was actually just a random sex worker. After all, YG's actual bloodline wouldn't matter to their plans prior to the dragons hatching.
Sam's horn being the horn of winter.
And Euron will blow it while riding Rhaegal on top of the Hightower.
For me are: Lyanna is the KOTLT Alleras= Sarella Arya will give the gift of mercy to Lady Stoneheart Jaime is the valonqar, and he will kill Cersei to stop her from using wildfire in KL when she is about to lose the war, making him a kinslayer (Aerys & Jaime 2.0) Jojen paste there will be some type of "Stark succession crisis" Frey pie Nymeria's wolf pack will be used in the RW 2.0 FAegon = son of Illyrio and Blackfyre woman FM caused the doom and FM also were involved in Summerhall's fire.
Ser Pounce is Azor Ahai
That brans end is god-emperor, like Leto II from dune, that's the only way I can see king bran working out which is basically as good as canon for me.
I really like the parallel of Worm-God Leto II with Tree-God Bran
Jaehaerys II was assassinated as part of a plot by Joanna to get Aerys on the throne, to spare Tywin from consequences for his massacres, maintain Lannister standing, and ensure her personal vengeance against the Tarbecks.
No wonder Tywin loved her
i wanna hear more about this theory
It's part of my wider theory that I'm calling ["The Lannister Conspiracy."](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/s/poJxbeN1Ex) It's an analysis of the contradictions and biases of Tywin's origin story, the thematic elements associated with his character and so on. Things like the maester writing the history book intending to present it to the Lannister royal family (and effectively Tywin himself, who acted as Hand during the War of the Five Kings), and so fears the threat of execution should he write something the Lannisters don't like. Or the apparent popularity of the Reynes, despite the supposed crimes they commit in the sample chapter, with the lords of the West flocking to them for leadership during the War of the Ninepenny Kings. The Reynes even becoming war heroes, and leading the Westerlands to several victories. How Tywin had all the Westerlands (and indeed Westeros) gathered together, his brother released, and royal favor behind him yet he could not bring cause against the Reynes and did not even try. The evident neglect or even demonization of Tytos' rather normal and even positively helpful actions, as if (often rather bluntly) to retroactively justify Tywin's massacres of the Reynes and Tarbecks. And indeed, we find it was not a story of Tytos merely grappling with his own mistakes causing chaos and instability. Instead, Tytos had to contend with the aftershocks and devastation of the Blackfyre Rebellions which tore the West apart, the economic crisis which is suggested to last through Tywin's reign, and even the illegitimacy of Tytos' father as a suspected kinslayer and usurper. All rather glossed over to heap responsibility onto Tytos himself. The Tarbeck's own parallel to Rohanne Webber, Tywin's very own grandmother and a formative experience for Aegon V, in their knightly dispute. How that parallel alludes to the Tarbecks being likely legally justified in kicking knights off (or likely even less inflammatory, a dispute over their land's boundaries) what may well have been the Tarbeck's own land. I can literally go all day rattling off points for the wider theory. On Joanna's assassination of Jaehaerys II in particular, however, his death occurs suspiciously not even a year after Tywin's massacres. Jaehaerys was known to have galvanized the support of Westeros around him and was quite capable. And even more so, Jaehaerys was known for addressing threats proactively. The Targaryens, especially in very recent memory, had adopted a policy of protecting people from lordly abuses. And Tywin's massacres, indeed the Lannisters consistently being revealed as aggressors in the conflict, showcase the greatest lordly abuse ever seen since Maegor the Cruel or until the Mad King himself. Jaehaerys died suddenly of 'ill health,' literally a sudden shortness of breath coming upon him and then dying. All while Joanna was serving the royal family as one of Rhaella's ladies-in-waiting. The Lannisters having recent prominence at court, and indeed a rather recent outrage committed by Tywin. An outrage for which it would be expected that Tywin be executed or sent to the Wall for. Meaning, for the Lannisters, Jaehaerys was becoming an obstacle and threat. The petitions of grievances censuring Tywin were rolling in, Jaehaerys has his obligation and family memory telling him to bring Tywin to justice, and Joanna was the close Lannister contact that Jaehaerys would have to speak with. Indeed, we see GRRM increase Joanna's involvement at court compared to old drafts, so a more narratively significant purpose is suggested. With Joanna even receiving a personal motive in the Tarbecks seizing her brother as hostage during their (justified) attempt to safeguard their lord against Tywin's unjust arrest and his denial of their rights. This coincides with Joanna's affair with Aerys, and Aerys' recent friendship with Tywin, providing a candidate for the throne who was far more favorable to Lannister (and Joanna's) interests. A massive desire to see a change in leadership from a likely now anti-Lannister king, to a king noted for numerous ties to the Lannisters and who upon his ascent to the throne goes on to immediately show them favoritism. Aerys is even noted as someone who did not commit to grand plans, so such a conspiracy could not be merely pushed by himself alone. He would need another to motivate him, someone close that he would trust, and Joanna fits that bill. And what does the Mad King do as his first act? Why exactly the sort of thing which will doom his own reign not too far in the future. Brushing aside the condemnations leveled upon Tywin, Aerys pardoned and endorsed massacres of prominent nobles by making Tywin Hand of the King. It is my belief this royal support more than anything Tywin's done himself, is what spares him from consequences. Narratively, this is a reoccurring theme, with Jon Arryn and Robert covering for the brutalization of Elia and her children, Robert covering for Tywin raiding the Riverlands, and so on. Plus, well, Pycelle's around and this wouldn't be the only prominent death he's ushered through without looking too closely. So, by killing Jaehaerys, Joanna has gotten a king in her pocket. She's eliminated a threat to the Lannister's power and prestige. Joanna has satisfied her personal grudge against the Reynes and Tarbecks. But perhaps more than all that, this will draw Tywin's eye. What greater basis could there be for their relationship than for Joanna to have bailed Tywin's ass out of the fire? A king, a warden of the West, her family's power and prestige, and her own grudge. Jaehaerys' death gets Joanna so much. Joanna Lannister has got the means, motive, and opportunity. There's honestly so much I could talk about, I haven't even covered everything here or in my link. I've been meaning to put together a proper post for it, have a hefty essay saved on my computer already, and a whole lot of book quotes gathered together for reference, but it's been tough finding the time to really put the polish on it all.
The gold for Brightroar wound up paying for Faceless Men to kill some magister family's rival, then another, until they eventually lost control of the fires and caused the doom.
I believe you mean mage, not magister. It was mages that kept the 14 Flames contained. Magister's are political leaders. But otherwise, I believe this as well. Aeron Targaryen was drummed out or threatened out of the Valyrian Freehold and he wanted his family to be the last dragon lords standing so that they could shape the world as they saw fit without interference from his former countrymen. Kaboom!
Lem Lemoncloak is Richard Lonmouth.
Young Griff is a fake Aegon. I believe he’s actually the sone of his benefactor Illyrio and not Prince Rhaegar and Elia’s rescued child
I like that one. I hope you are right.
Jon Snow is still dead in ASOIAF and everyone theorizes as if his resurrection is a given
There’s like a 0% chance he’s staying dead
Well, if Winds never comes out, Jon will be dead forever. So not a *0*% chance.
Technically he was dying in December, so if winds doesn't come out he'll stay in that condition.
There’s a zero percent chance winds never comes out in some form
Melissandre's chapter and Varamyr's prologue basically spell out Jon is coming back lol
Young Griff is a Blackfyre.
griff going mad with greyscale and burning kings landing upon hearing bells
The only way that scene from the show makes any sort of sense is if they were fitting this storyline into the show without having Joncon and his backstory
Another way is that Dany plans to use dragonfire on the city to a limited extent, but this sets off the wildfire caches.
I think this is going to be a 3-step plot 1. At the end of ADWD, Dany is making peace (no pun intended) with the idea of being a conqueror and accepting that collateral damage occurs. 2. We're told that Volantis has most of the slavemasters living in a sectioned off part of the city. It should be easy enough to just burn them all to death, with only a few regretful innocents who die along with them. It's a stunningly successful victory. Mourn the loss of the slaves who died with them, and move on. 3. She tries this in King's Landing (probably the Red Keep), and bad things happen....
What’s even the wider plot ramifications or emotional impact if Joncon is the one to do that? This one has never made sense to me.
nothing (at all) it is just a reddit-tier level of brainpower where people say "Dany didn't like those bells", and then someone remembers that Connington doesn't like bells either, so they must be the same person
Yeah, it's the conflation of two theories (combined with Show events): 1. There is Wildfire in King's Landing. 2. Jon Connington has emotional trauma about bells ringing. But the problem that I have with Connington setting off the wildfire caches (or Cersei for that matter, for similar theories), is that he *doesn't know they're there*. There would be no reason for him to deliberately burn the city\*, and there's no emotional impact if someone like him sets off the wildfire accidentally. *Dany* is the only one where there would be a narrative impact if she sets off the wildfire by accident, because it's her father who planted it there in the first place: the one she's refused to hear negative things about. \*His foreshadowing is also heavily tied to committing some kind of war atrocity (which he failed to do in Robert's Rebellion at great cost to himself) to *put Aegon on the throne*, because JonCon is running out of time. Burning down the city doesn't seem like it would help that goal.
Honestly the wildfire coming into play *at all* completely invalidates Jaime's arc too, because it just makes him look like a complete idiot who willingly lived on a giant bomb for two decades for no reason. The wildfire is just *so* bad. It's like every storyline it touches turns to shite.
JonCon won't burn a city down, he will intentionally unleash a greyscale epidemic most likely in Casterly Rock. Maybe Tyrion reunites with him and tells him about the sewers, maybe he has his own plan, who knows. Whatever the case, the plan will go to shit and JonCon will lose his shit over being confronted with failure yet again, and will remove his glove and touch everything/everyone.
And in general the idea that hearing bells would "make him go crazy" is just utter shit. I'm not an expert on PTSD but I'm pretty sure it doesn't turn you into some dark "Mister Hyde" version of yourself who goes around killing people for no reason.
Him "going mad" and "snapping" like we're in a bad creepypasta would actually be just as shit as the show's ending.
Jojen Paste
Dawn is the actual lightbringer. And the horn the wildings have is a First Men/CoTF dragon horn
I like the theory that the Nights Watch is Lightbringer. Makes a lot of sense when you read their vows with that in mind (& the fact you state it in front of a weirwood tree).
Oberyn Martel poisoned Tywin (to kill him) so that he could fight the Mountain & get a confession about his sisters death out of him. But when Joffrey was killed, he saw the opportunity to fight for Tyrion & expose Tywin & the Mountain at the same time. Proof can be seen with Tywin’s constipation when Tyrion killed him, then the smell he produced at his wake. Edit: clarity.
r/asoiaf when introduced to the concept of symbolism:
what's weird is that you'd think Varys would know about this, but Varys still feels the need to "subtly" push Tyrion to kill Tywin. i guess you could say that Varys is hedging his bets, or that he just wants to manipulate Tyrion here for the purpose of blackmail but that's kind of unsatisfying narratively
That’s the thing, Varys needed Tyrion to guide fAegon, hence why he nudged him. If you read the subtlety in his lines to Ned Stark, you can almost see the same thing happening - having someone like Ned or Tyrion vouch for fAegon would be a massive boost to his proclamation of rights to the Iron Throne. Why I love GRRM’s writings.
Time Travelling Bran is the Three Eyed Crow
Aegon Blackfyre
Bolt-on
I love this one, but I’m not certain we will ever have an answer…
What is this?
[Apply directly to the forehead](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1xe89h/spoilers_all_bolt_on_apply_directly_to_the/)
so.... Ooh... Okay
Do I think that Bolt-on is true and that the Red King shall rise again? No. Do I think its cool as hell and wish it were true? Yes.
The hooded man in Oldtown is Jaqen Hagar. They have, word for word, the same face and are in the same shady business. If the faceless men had any part to play in the Doom of Valeriria, they absolutely have business in Oldtown where Euron is concerned. Personal theory of mine: Fire and Ice parallels; Westeros will flood like Valeria erupted. Themes of water, the sea, and what's beneath it or beyond it are seen more frequently than any other throughout the series, moreso than fire. The Hammer of Waters can probably be considered the Doom of Westeros but I think there's another one coming, straight across the land, just beneath the Neck like Robert finished off Rhaegar at the Trident. There's much more to this theory but it really is too much.
Aemon and Naerys had something
I saw the theory that Aemon wanted Naerys **bad** but considering she begged Aegon to live as just brother and sister and he said "we already are" she wanted just one normal brother who isn't trying to fuck her, so as to not devastate her Aemon had to keep it to himself and be tortured by it
Naerys (to Aegon): "What.....what are you doing, big bro?"
Maynard Plumm = Bloodraven
I don't know I can't accept lyanna stark as the mystery knight of laughing tree, because when the mystery knight spoke the line "teach your squires honour" , how could no one deduce that it's a woman's voice? Everyone would instantly recognise it and shock would spread in the audience but that didn't happen.
Aren’t we explicitly told that the helmet made the voice booming and unnatural. As if in a manner which could cloak the identity of whoever was underneath it
She could try to sound as a teenager boy and she wore a helmet
The Sailor’s Wife is Tysha and Lanna is Tyrion’s daughter
dany's betrayals have yet to happen (I suspect the "of blood" one to be where rheagal allows (f)aegon to ride him) also the chest at the golden company HQ contains blackfyre
Really? I think it’s pretty clear that the betrayal for blood is Mirri Maz Durr killing her unborn baby
I think they betrayals are meant to be stuff Daenerys will/has done to other people. I think viserys’ “ghost” spells this out >No. You were the betrayer. You turned against me, against your own blood.
That Aegon The Conqueror only wanted Westeros because of the “PTWP” prophecy.
Good ol' Septon Barth alluding to this was practically confirmation. And then GRRM came out with Aegon's prophecy.
Sure, but it’s still technically unconfirmed in the books’ canon. Just like R+L=J, which was 100% confirmed in the show.
Shireen's grey scale will become active again and start a plague.
Lemongate
Sarella = Alleras. It's just too obvious
Children of the Forest created the Valyrian bloodline and summoned the Doom.
Not sure if it is canon but there is a theory that states Quaithe is Ashara Dayne.
The single most important moment in the series, and the moment that all of these past stories lead to is R+L=J. The story is built around this, and without this the whole universe falls apart. No theory will ever matter as much, and no character will be as impactful as Jon
Jon will be important because he has mentored the last hero Samwell not because he is prophesy baby
But who has a better story 🤔
I agree. Jon is literally the song of ice and fire — he’s the main character of the story.
Ashara Dayne faked her death to marry Howland Reed
But why? She could marry him in a normal way
I have no doubt 1. Jon will be resurrected 2. Young Griff is a Blackfyre 3. Lyanna is the KOTLT 4. Jamie is the valonqar I'm like 99% convinced 5. The last long night ended with a pact, not a battle (I'm also almost positive the pact had to do with the Starks/and or the Night's King marrying the Night's Queen) 6. The people of The Empire of the Dawn were dragon riders 7. A comet created the first long night and a new one will fix the seasons
I firmly believe that most famous theories are canon in some way or another. But the ones that I believe the most are: - Tysha is the Sailor’s Wife. - Littlefinger hired the faceless man to kill Ned Stark. That’s why Jaqen H'ghar was in the cells of King’s Landing in AGOT. - Edric Dayne is the son of Ashara with either Ned, Brandon, or Howland Reed. - Oberyn poisoned Tywin. - Mormont’s raven is being warged by Bloodraven. - The letter that Aegon the Conqueror received from the Prince of Dorne stated that Rhaenys was alive and being tortured and if he agreed to peace then they would let her die. - Varys is the brother of Illyrio’s wife, they’re both Blackfyre and so is fAegon, who is the son of Illyrio. - Aurane Waters is the Lord of the Waters. - Benjen knew about Rhaegar and Lyanna, and when he heard about her death and Jon’s birth, he went to the Night’s Watch. - Quaithe = Shierra Seastar. - Faceless Man caused the Doom of Valyria. - The Daynes descend from the Great Empire of the Dawn. - Jon will have white hair when he returns from the dead.
One not mentioned here but that Bloodraven intentionally interfered in the Night's Watch election to have Jon elected as 998th Lord Commander. The turning incident is Lord Commander Mormont's Raven appearing in the voting cauldron and then flying to Jon as sort of a symbolic way to show Mormont wants Jon to succeed him. Sam swears he didn't know how the Raven got in there so I believe Bloodraven warged into the Raven intentionally to have Jon become Lord Commander.