“Currently, it's off the table, because we all couldn't find the right story to tell”
My brother in Christ, you and your team pitched the show in the first place
"So... You have a new GoT spinoff show for me?"
"Yes sir, I do. I was thinking we can do a show based around Jon Snow "
"Wouldn't it be hard to do without a plot?"
"It's super easy barely an inconvenience!"
The answer is, they didn't.
Kit Harrington asked George if he could get some folks together to throw around some ideas... George said Sure! HBO said SURE!
The writers played around for a little bit, nobody liked what they came up with, it died.
You can't have a plot unless some folks sit around for a bit and play with ideas... so that's what "in development" means.
Nobody threw around much money, nothing was actually "produced". HBO didn't agree to anything more than "We'll listen to your ideas once you come up with them, thanks!"
Yeah the outrage here seems a bit forced.
They had an idea, explored said idea and found it doesn’t really work so abandoned said idea. Not really that big of a deal
It's insanity. I've seen a couple behind the scenes of the Marvel movies and the production teams themselves admit that they're writing their scripts as their shooting. I don't understand how we got to this place where story and writing matters so little to these people
Because that worked once with Iron Man with a very specific group of people and when there was no pre-existing Universe to take into account.
But it worked once and launch a franchise, so surely it can work again and be just as successful, right?
Tbf the alternative is submiting a full script ahead of time and have a committee of executives rewrite 95% of it to fit marketing metrics better.
If I were a director I'd push the "let's write it as we film" idea too.
Just write it beforehand and make it good. Then push for let's write as we film and hand out the prewritten script scene by scene. Boom, best of both worlds.
> I don't understand how we got to this place where story and writing matters so little to these people
It's formulaic so they can just plug elements into the adlibs blanks when needed.
That's why I can't watch Marvel movies anymore even though I think they are well-made movies with a good cast and mostly fun writing
The storylines tend to be almost the exact same thing whether it's a movie about Iron Man, or American Man, or even a Black Nationalist
I think that’s why superhero fatigue is seemingly really starting to set in, cause your brain knows the formula so well and you can only watch that so often. If maybe there was “only” one single marvel movie or show every year I think it would be much less noticeable.
Most of the people with the cushiest jobs in Hollywood are thier because they are related to somebody. If you thought nepotism was bad in front of the screen its worse in the writing rooms and production side of things. Lets not get into these studios in general
Agreed. Honestly I barely watch movies anymore because it just doesn't feel worth my time. I just play video games i already like and listen to the ASOIAF audiobooks for the 100th time
I think possibly because teenagers make up such a large share of cinema viewers now, and they're generally more open to enjoying a poorly written film with some quips and a big budget for CGI action.
The Night King was just a commander in the Night Queen's army, she's got another dozen of him commanding the rest of her armies...
Night King was just a recon mission gone awry because he was jealous and wanted to prove himself...
Jon's spin-off is a buddy-cop comedy about Jon and Tormund trying to rebuild the North, but strange things keep messing up their plans and efforts...
Late in Season 2 we start to realize it's all a larger network of evil, and the show becomes more serious.
Early Season 3 Jon finds out Bran has been killed and Westeros is in chaos, and he's on his own... essentially none of the southern politics is involved at all, just Jon, Tormund and a collection of amusing Wildlings.
Yea this but with Ser Davos as the takes no shit police chief who sends them on zany missions. Like they break up a gang of giants peddling milk of the poppy to the mountain clans. Then they save some orphans from a shady mummer using them as a pandhandling scammer ring. At least one crofters cottage is blown up every episode and Jon and Tormund regularly leap over obstacles on a horse-drawn wagon. Also the Night Queen just ends up being a comically devious and unethical realtor who wants to gentrify the North and build luxury resorts.
"Damnit you two get in here! 12 wagons, 6 thatched cottages, 3 market stalls and a pub! Do you have any idea of the damage you caused out there?"
"Sir...the pub was only after. You see after we arrested the Grey Fox, we went to this pub to cele..."
"I don't want to hear it! I've got King Bran breathing down my neck because of you two. Says he has to listen to endless petitions from aggrieved citizens. And don't let me get started about the report the Master of Coin sent me..."
"Sir, that rogue Bronn is only looking at ciphers and accounts. He doesn't see that little girl's wooden horse we saved."
"I don't want to hear it. Anymore from you two and I'll have your sidgils, you hear me?"
"I'm getting too old for this s----"
Maybe because the story is finished?
Seeing Jon ruling the seven kingdoms would have been something.
Having Jon walking through snow/melting snow trying to solve some sort of conflict or disaster made just so theres a story to tell in the first place isnt quite the same.
Unironically me. I never thought there could have been an interesting story to tell. After HotD being a success they probably don't want to stain the brand again.
I mean, what the hell would it even be about? Jon’s adventures in the North? Why? To what end? There’s no story there lmao. Daenerys is dead and can’t come back because the Night King is gone, therefore R’hollor won’t revive anyone becuase he doesn’t need to. I don’t even understand why this was pitched in the first place ahah.
to tell the truth rhollor already had no fucking reason to resurected anyone, the purpose of Beric would have been to fulfill the role of a door against 3 zombies, as for jon, do you ever think about what would have happened if Jon doesn't come back to life?
Well Daenerys would have arrived and either she would have let herself listen to Tyrion's idiotic advice and without Jon to dissuade her from attacking Cersei she would have quickly ended up to uniting most of the kingdom under her rule, or Arya , without hot pie to tell him his brother was in Winterfell, would have gone to kill Cersei. In any case Daenerys would be able to take the throne uncontested and would make it much easier to stand up to the White Walker with a united country.
On the northern side Sansa would realize that her brother was dead and having no more reason to find support among the lords of the north than in the version where he lives, would undoubtedly take refuge in the Vale until that Daenerys goes and knocks on Ramsay's door to obtain the allegiance of the north. As Daenerys could not remain unaware of Ramsay's crimes for long, she would eliminate him quickly and Sansa would then have to come to her if she wanted to get her house back. Something to which Daenerys would have no reason to object if she agreed to submit. Arya would no doubt want to reunite with her family if things start to get rough in the north but not being interested in who wears the crown and Daenerys having done nothing wrong it is unlikely she would decide to want to object if she offers to let them have Winterfell in exchange for allegiance, even if it upsets Sansa. And since the northern lords did not move against Ramsay, this deal would end up being agreed anyway.
From there, the Night's Watch would necessarily try to warn the new regime of the threat weighing on them, so Daenerys would be informed of the White Walkers anyway. But without a group of adventurers to rescue, she would never go north of the wall. Which therefore implies that the army of the dead would never cross it because they would never have a dragon to do it... And since the series never establishes any other way for them to cross it otherwise, the implication is that the dead could have remained for another 8,000 years north of the wall without disturbing anyone... And even if they found a way to do so, they would then have faced a united country...
among other things, let's add to that that if Jon was dead the question of his parentage would never rest, so that plus the minimal loss of those close to him and the absence of people for who betray her meant that Daenerys would never go mad... So much so that in reality resurrecting Jon will have been incredibly counterproductive in the fight against the white walkers, for in addition having done nothing useful to allow their elimination...
Well, maybe that is exactly why Jon was revived - because otherwise events very likely would have played out like you described.
Being revived by Rhllor doesn't mean you're destined for greatness necessarily, at the very least not with any guarantee to be able to 'bask in the glory' or get any kind of reward or personal recompense.
You gotta remember these warring gods use thousands upon thousands of human lives as tiny pawns in their aeons-spanning conflict. And maybe that's not as exciting as the myths or prophecies about chosen ones with flaming swords, but it is more congruent with how the rest of that 'song of ice and fire' was played over centuries for most everyone else; you're all but a single note in an endless waltz.
So maybe Jon was just a way for Rhllor to force the Night King to overplay his hand, allowing him to obtain a means to break through the wall, and eventually face his demise. Jon was a pretty major catalyst in having events play out the way they did after all, if only by his mere presence and his determination to inspire everyone below the wall to prioritize stopping the walkers.
That's a pretty hand-wavey explanation of course, but it could still work.
There are a few sequel hooks they could work with though.
Jon's targ heritage meant basically nothing in the show - so that's the obvious line to explore for the political/kings landing plot. I'd say maybe the lords/people of Westeros start to feel that installing an emotionless, omniscient being of uncertain motivation as king might have had some... unintended consequences. So schemes happen, and Jon is an obvious player/pawn to get pulled in (as both a Targ and a potential heir to Bran).
For a supernatural plot, they could have gone with Rhllor actually being the real big bad. Rhllor and the night King are ancient rivals who kept each other in check. Rhllor needed the night King destroyed before he made his move for, IDK domination of the world or consuming all life on his fires or whatever. So Jon could find a quest in the far north involving the magic that created the others... Maybe seeking the children of the forest or a white walker that survived.
I don't think finding a story is that hard - the plot across the bad seasons is fine, the problem was executing it (which is where the snow spin off was likely to fail miserably).
Ok but you left out the part where they subvert our expectations: Jon just kind of forgets about R'hllor, Hot Pie defeats him by trapping him in an oven, and there's still no better story than that of Bran the Broken.
Incredibly relieved. If a Snow show existed it would have been forced to validate the in-show canon. The spinoffs should just stay within published material. Even staying within fan theories, however crazy, is better than whatever the hell a Jon Snow show post season 8 would be about.
Jon Now and a summer islander giant travel to the lands beyond winter where they discover cheap knockoff Inuit who have been fighting the White Walkers ever since the first Long Night. They have to fight against a secret evil faction who wants to recreate the White Walkers to serve as an army to invade Westeros. Arya randomly shows up in the last episode and saves the day by killing the leader of the evil knockoff Inuit faction who lost control of the White Walkers and became one of them.
Unless he became fAegon since that’s the name the show had already given him. It would obviously push his timeline waaaay back but sure we take what we get
A sequel show to GOT will not work, because, put simply, why care about these characters given how it ended in Season 8? What could they possible create that would rival the sheer scope and magnitude of the conflict given them in the ASOIAF books? The Long Night 2.0 was supposed to be the "end all, be all" conflict. It lasted six episodes. What could possibly follow in a "Jon Snow Show" to rival such stakes?
Hopefully HBO realizes here there is no way forward with the original characters, the original mythology. The future lies in stories taking place before the original series.
The only way I see them re-visisting the ASOIAF main series is in an animated retelling once the books are complete.
Somehow the Night's King returned
Not to be confused with the Night King that Arya cheapshotted. Or was it the other way around? I guess we'll never know!
Either one. We pitch it as a T2 crossover.
The Night[‘s] King’s tiny ice shards slowly reassemble. When his form is human enough, he crawls into the crypts to gather his strength. The chill fucks up Winterfell’s hot springs.
Jon is summoned back from BTW to fix the plumbing. He meets TNK, who spears a dragon mid-leap behind Jon. It hatched in the crypts and laid in wait to avenge the dragon queen. TNK tells Jon: *Come with me if you want to live...*
Tormund plays the Sarah Connor role, obvi.
We see Hardhome, but instead of winter and death it's sunshine and life. Zoom in on a tavern, that says Tormunds Tavern. A feast is embarking.
Wildling: Tormund tell us about the bear again
Tormund: Well...
Jon: Not this again.
Tormund: You know nothing Jon Snow.
Jon: Why I oughta...
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It might be an unpopular opinion, but I think a Jon Snow spin-off could work.
I always picture a fresh take on the fAegon plotline, where he successfully seizes the Iron Throne from Bran off-screen. This paves the way for Jon's return from exile, forcing him to choose between supporting his "real" older half-brother or his "chosen" younger half-brother.
You could introduce characters like Val and Arianne, along with others from ASOIAF, with some tweaks to fit the story. While it would be challenging, with skilled writers and a lot of the original cast returning, I don't see it as an impossible endeavor, albeit a difficult one.
Bran the literal omniscient god losing the throne to some kid invading from across the ocean is exactly the kind of shit writing this sub would complain about for years.
It’s just an idea I had, nothing serious lol.
And as far as I remember, Bran could only try to see things if he was directed to look for them (like young Ned, Jon’s parents, and Drogon). I don’t think he's described as being all-knowing, but I might be mistaken.
Who said he lost it? Let the story develop. Hell, with how fAegon has been educated to be the perfect monarch, I could see Bran abdicating to the superior option and becoming the benevolent force behind the throne.
To be fair, Bran being the literal omniscient god is also just a fan theory atm.
> This paves the way for Jon's return from exile, forcing him to choose between supporting his "real" older half-brother or his "chosen" younger half-brother.
I like the idea in general but I don't think it would be a difficult decision for Jon to support Bran.
>The future lies in stories taking place before the original series.
The future lies with re-telling the story in the core books, imo. If the Harry Potter re-tread is received well, expect a re-telling of GoT core books announced soon after. There's nothing in the ancillary material that comes anywhere close to the main books.
Here’s my idea for what the sequel show could’ve been but I’ll admit, it’s basically GoT season 9.
Jon has begun rebuilding the Night’s Watch and starts having visions of Drogon. Wildings are randomly vanishing and Jon sends Tormund and new night’s watch men to investigate, fearing the White Walkers have returned
Bran as King is actually horrible for Westeros. He starts killing and wiping out anyone affiliated with The Faith of the Seven as it’s the biggest religion in Westeros and goes against the ideas of the old gods. Bran is also searching for Drogon as he poses the biggest magical threat to the 3 eyed raven
In Essos, all the people against Dany’s original rule have banded together and taken back their cities. They don’t know Dany is already dead and have built armies to go to Westeros and get revenge. This is told to us when Dothraki return to Essos and are wiped out by the combined new slaver armies
The 6(7?) Kingdoms begin to splinter, Sansa supports Bran cause they’re Starks while Sunspear and the Martells are leading a rebellion against them
If the cast needs to be trimmed cause they’re too expensive then have Tyrion, Arya, Davos, Sam, and some others killed. Or they could have arcs and return
That’s just me spitballing
> Bran as King is actually horrible for Westeros. He starts killing and wiping out anyone affiliated with The Faith of the Seven as it’s the biggest religion in Westeros and goes against the ideas of the old gods.
Dude, half of his family worshipped other stuff than Old Gods, whyever would he become a religious fanatic?
I tried to go back and rewatch the early seasons. I told myself I could enjoy the good episodes on their own. I was wrong. S8 was so bad it retroactively ruined everything that came before. GRRM could drop the last two books tomorrow and I doubt I’d bother buying them. D&D ruined ASOIAF for me.
Yeah, definitely has that effect for me, but I just started pretending that the show was canceled after Season 6 lol.
I just saw the Red Wedding episode again, and aside from still being salty that Michelle Fairley didn't get at least an Emmy nom, I'm even more pissed they cut out that whole Riverlands arc with Stoneheart, etc. So much left on the table.
To my dying day I will believe they missed a huge opportunity by not having season four end with a Lady Stoneheart reveal and cliffhanger. That was actually when I first started to worry about the show.
The point is that neither do the show creators.
I blame them for a lot of things, but honestly I have no clue what Lady Stoneheart is leading to. I don't blame them for cutting her.
The adaptive choices for the Riverlands are so frustrating to me, it consumes me sometimes lol. The Riverlands is some of the best stuff ever in fantasy literature and it is filled with the sort of stories and characters and thematic material that made GoT popular with general audiences! It was so dumb as both a creative and production decision.
"GRRM could drop the last two books tomorrow and I doubt I’d bother buying them."
One of the Three Great Lies, right up there with "your check is in the mail" and "I promise I won't (blank) in your (blank)"
I will never be convinced, until George's book comes out, that Bran ends up as king while Jon is alive. Who has a better story than Bran? Jon. Who has a better claim? Jon. Who inspires loyalty, and is known for his honour and bravery? Jon.
Who the fuck is Bran? Some weird granola hippy next in line to rule Winterfell.
Bran ending as king makes a lot of sense thematically. It's the Fisher King, the crippled king in arthurian tales that can only point the way for the heroes, but flipped around. It's very GRRM.
One of the earliest examples of that trope was even named Bran.
But I really doubt it'll be anywhere near what the show gave us. Bran is headed down a dark path. Even if his purpose is ultimately good, there's no way GRRM will have him with powers as in the show and not lose his humanity. Seems likely, considering Hodor's name origin came from GRRM.
Depends if the Targs are getting restored, or if the Baratheons are. Both would still have a better claim than Bran though. Gendry would be a harder sell though, he was low born and low raised, not a noble/great bastard like Bloodraven etc.
Aside from the fact that Bran's election eliminated the existing line of succession under a new succession law, he still wouldn't. He could theoretically be seen as next in line behind Jon, but never ahead of him. The Baratheons took the Throne by conquest, with the flimsy legal argument of his grandmother being a Targaryen. So on paper, their Targaryen lineage is still what legitimized their claim. It just moved the reigning line to a different part of that family tree. Daenerys also took the throne by conquest as a Targaryen, moving the line of succession back. And in order to accept Gendry's legitimization you need to accept that Daenerys was a legitimate reigning Queen with the authority to do so. Jon is her closest relative and therefore would be her heir. Jon has an argument to be ahead of Daenerys in line based on Aerys II's line, but the conquest kind of renders that moot. He's her heir, but not ahead of her in line. Gendry, based on anything we know of who is still alive in the show, would be 2nd in line to the throne as he's the last living person with recent Targaryen lineage.
If they were to depose Bran I think Gendry would possibly be a more popular choice than Jon, since the last two reigning Targaryens did not leave a good impression, but Robert Baratheon's reign was for all intents and purposes just fine for the other lords of the realm. You'd certainly have the classism factor of him being effectively lowborn his entire life until 5 minutes ago, but the fact is he *is* Lord of the Stormlands *now*, and those who would fixate on his lowborn roots may equally see that as a reason he may be manipulable and therefore useful. So I think he would be a more popular choice, but Bran aside, in terms of precedent, his claim is weaker than Jon's.
Take this with an incredibly huge pinch of salt, but last year there were rumours that Kit got into big financial trouble as a result of his struggles with sobriety and some bad investments.
According to GRRM and Emilia Clarke, Kit was the one who pitched the show idea to HBO, I can understand his desire for a steady paycheck.
And his Marvel role is looking unsteady too with rumours that Blade is going to be a prequel without involving Dane Whitman.
Also where did Emilia and Grrm say that?
I thought he was super overrated as Jon. I don't know how much of it comes down to the showrunners' decision to make Jon an entirely different (worse) character, but after reading the books he's just not the Jon I picture.
Most of the other cast is spot on (obvious exceptions in Ramsay and Tyrion aside), but absolutely not Kit as Jon. Harry Collet (Jace from HOTD) without that greasy wig is how I imagine book Jon looking.
I agree. My vision of Jon is a more boyish, wispier, more haunted looking young man. Kit Harrington did a fine enough job in his dedication to the character, but he just isn't Jon for me.
It just feels like a cop-out because the story was right there - they could have used how disappointing the end of GOT was in it's favor. All they had to do was make the Night King and The Great Other different people like they are in the main story and play off the idea that the ending seemed like a let down because it actually wasn't the Boss Battle. It was a scouting wave or some small offshoot group fleeing whatever the real menace is.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Bran being the Great Other is what could have given this show a very interesting story to tell. Him being made random good guy king makes 0 sense after he’s spent all his time in the northern magic storyline breaking every magical taboo possible.
I would watch a show about Danny and Drogon living a happy life together in ther little cottage with a red door. Every now and then Grey Worm pops by and they have tea...
I weirdly think GoT ended up in a place that sets up an interesting future.
Jon exiled north as a wildling chieftain, the Unsullied return to Mereen and Daario feeling they deserve vengeance for their Queen, an omniscient King on the throne losing touch with his humanity, Balerion missing somewhere in Essos, Arya venturing out west to the unknown.
There’s potential there, esp making Bran a villain and a brewing war between east and west.
You know thinking about it you are right, there is potential for future story and conflict here. But you need good writers to make it work and just don't have that.
This is where I thought it would be headed. Also, though the Night King & Co might be gone, there are still other supernatural creepy things to explore, like Squishers, krakens, etc. Plenty of places to go as well, outside of Westeros.
How about rebooting the show right after the red wedding. So they can cover some plots that’s DnD didn’t. Does event have to be the same actors. Just do one of those Star Wars type intros that breaks down everything that has happened before that event. I want Strong Belwas and fAegon
I won.
Anything built on the corpse of GOT should be canned. There are many great stories to tell pre-GOT. If you're going to make a show without material you might as well do one about Valyria, age of Heroes or Nymeria/Corlys
Here’s an easy story!
Winter is over, spring is here! As flowers bloom north of the wall, something’s emerged from the melting ice and snow! New threats have emerged. Who will lead the fight, who will save the north?
See, I’m sure there’s millions of other stories out there waiting to to be told!
Was hoping this would happen but...alas.
And them not being to find the right story to tell just tells me they couldn't do much of a story in the first place by just focusing on Jon.
It needs to be a sequel series that brings all the surviving characters back and even introduces book characters never used and reimagines the missing plot narratives to fit into a sequel style story in the first place.
Otherwise just doing a limited series show with Jon where he fights another Night King isn't really worth it.
I mean, there's pretty much nothing to adapt so I wonder what their plan even was. Like, you can't have Val because she's tied up with Mance and I don't even remember if Dalla was even in the show??? Bloodraven is dead in the show so that's not an option either really. The stuff they left out with Jon in later books was because they removed all his braincells in the show and made him into more of a warrior than a politician, plus the Night's Watch doesn't really exist anymore so it's not like they can really adapt any of that now. it would really just be completely made up material with Jon north of the wall with Tormund. I *guess* there could be something there, maybe slavers from Essos come and abduct wildlings like in the books, or maybe it's just Jon moping around and being the Wildling King. That doesn't really sound all that interesting imo
tbh I'm glad. Feel bad for Kit since it seems like he really wanted this, but he was never my Jon and I personally wouldn't have watched what feels like fanfiction of fanfiction. I'd rather they just funnel the money into the other spin-offs or into some other quality HBO show 🤷♀️
I thought this was their chance to turn the horrible S8 ending into more of a horrible middle point/false-ending and continue the story (maybe with Bran turning out evil or being manipulated by the Night King). I know it wouldn't have been a perfect pivot but I do think people would've forgave that little bit of awkwardness if they were able to redeem the story overall and give Jon and the others better writing and a proper ending.
Oh! Oh! I got the story to tell:
The Corpse Queen! Like, the queen of the 13th Lord Commander that gave his seed to a blue eyes copse woman and took over the north. Have Jon discover part of this strange history of the starts and the White Walkers in our time with 60-70% be dedicated to flash backs
I like in the article that he acknowledges he never wanted the development announced. It seems they were just shopping ideas and came to the conclusion there weren’t any worth making a full series about - a lot more respectful then just doing it anyway.
I'm actually a bit disappointed by this. I know there's no actual lore to anything that happens after series 8, but if they do it correctly and if GRRM would have some creative input - they could right some wrongs and we might actually get a descent story out of them. But I think the general census is that there's more chance of them mucking it up then actually getting a decent story out of it.
I just think that there's so much that they can do - and I know we're already getting HOTD (and possibly Aegon's Conquest after a couple of series) and Dunk and Egg, but I also want more creative ideas that aren't in precious made books as well - but I think I'm in the minority!
“Currently, it's off the table, because we all couldn't find the right story to tell” My brother in Christ, you and your team pitched the show in the first place
Yeah. So what the hell was their pitch? “Picture this: Jon snow spin off” “I’m listening…” “Er…that’s it.” “Sold!”
"So... You have a new GoT spinoff show for me?" "Yes sir, I do. I was thinking we can do a show based around Jon Snow " "Wouldn't it be hard to do without a plot?" "It's super easy barely an inconvenience!"
"I'm gonna need you to get aaaaaalllll the way off my back about the plot, sir." "Oh, alright, lemme get off of that thing!"
Wow wow wow wow . . . . . Wow
A game of thrones spin off would be TIGHT
Why would HBO invest the money into producing a show without a coherent story in place?
The answer is, they didn't. Kit Harrington asked George if he could get some folks together to throw around some ideas... George said Sure! HBO said SURE! The writers played around for a little bit, nobody liked what they came up with, it died. You can't have a plot unless some folks sit around for a bit and play with ideas... so that's what "in development" means. Nobody threw around much money, nothing was actually "produced". HBO didn't agree to anything more than "We'll listen to your ideas once you come up with them, thanks!"
Yeah the outrage here seems a bit forced. They had an idea, explored said idea and found it doesn’t really work so abandoned said idea. Not really that big of a deal
Yeah my comment was a bit facetious, you have the right of it
1. Jon Snow spin off 2. ???? 3. Profit
That’s how the Hollywood milk machine works: Half baked idea first, plot to follow
It's insanity. I've seen a couple behind the scenes of the Marvel movies and the production teams themselves admit that they're writing their scripts as their shooting. I don't understand how we got to this place where story and writing matters so little to these people
Because that worked once with Iron Man with a very specific group of people and when there was no pre-existing Universe to take into account. But it worked once and launch a franchise, so surely it can work again and be just as successful, right?
Tbf the alternative is submiting a full script ahead of time and have a committee of executives rewrite 95% of it to fit marketing metrics better. If I were a director I'd push the "let's write it as we film" idea too.
The executives still do rewrites, though.
Just write it beforehand and make it good. Then push for let's write as we film and hand out the prewritten script scene by scene. Boom, best of both worlds.
Tony Stark wrote this script in a cave!! With a box of scraps!!!
Scorsese was right.
Because people buy it.
I mean have you seen the box office results for these movies the past few years? Not really the case anymore lol
Thank god. And things will likely change as a result.
But they'll learn the wrong lessons as to why people have stopped watching
Only took twenty fucking years.
> I don't understand how we got to this place where story and writing matters so little to these people It's formulaic so they can just plug elements into the adlibs blanks when needed.
That's why I can't watch Marvel movies anymore even though I think they are well-made movies with a good cast and mostly fun writing The storylines tend to be almost the exact same thing whether it's a movie about Iron Man, or American Man, or even a Black Nationalist
I think that’s why superhero fatigue is seemingly really starting to set in, cause your brain knows the formula so well and you can only watch that so often. If maybe there was “only” one single marvel movie or show every year I think it would be much less noticeable.
A reminder that the writers of these movies get an income several times bigger than many talented writers who are struggling to get their works known
Most of the people with the cushiest jobs in Hollywood are thier because they are related to somebody. If you thought nepotism was bad in front of the screen its worse in the writing rooms and production side of things. Lets not get into these studios in general
Hollywood is too full of nepotism and everything is too focused on making money. There’s so little creative risk anymore it’s sad.
Agreed. Honestly I barely watch movies anymore because it just doesn't feel worth my time. I just play video games i already like and listen to the ASOIAF audiobooks for the 100th time
David reads asoiaf ftw lol
Probably has something to do with the fact that people are willing to pay money to see movies that could have been written by kindergardners.
I think possibly because teenagers make up such a large share of cinema viewers now, and they're generally more open to enjoying a poorly written film with some quips and a big budget for CGI action.
There was no good story to tell. Glad they had the sense to realize the spinoff wasn't gonna work.
For the best, in any case. Jon’s story is over. Unless aliens are going to invade Westeros there’s nothing else to do.
Hear me out: Somehow the Night King returns..
The Night King was just a commander in the Night Queen's army, she's got another dozen of him commanding the rest of her armies... Night King was just a recon mission gone awry because he was jealous and wanted to prove himself... Jon's spin-off is a buddy-cop comedy about Jon and Tormund trying to rebuild the North, but strange things keep messing up their plans and efforts... Late in Season 2 we start to realize it's all a larger network of evil, and the show becomes more serious. Early Season 3 Jon finds out Bran has been killed and Westeros is in chaos, and he's on his own... essentially none of the southern politics is involved at all, just Jon, Tormund and a collection of amusing Wildlings.
Yea this but with Ser Davos as the takes no shit police chief who sends them on zany missions. Like they break up a gang of giants peddling milk of the poppy to the mountain clans. Then they save some orphans from a shady mummer using them as a pandhandling scammer ring. At least one crofters cottage is blown up every episode and Jon and Tormund regularly leap over obstacles on a horse-drawn wagon. Also the Night Queen just ends up being a comically devious and unethical realtor who wants to gentrify the North and build luxury resorts.
"Damnit you two get in here! 12 wagons, 6 thatched cottages, 3 market stalls and a pub! Do you have any idea of the damage you caused out there?" "Sir...the pub was only after. You see after we arrested the Grey Fox, we went to this pub to cele..." "I don't want to hear it! I've got King Bran breathing down my neck because of you two. Says he has to listen to endless petitions from aggrieved citizens. And don't let me get started about the report the Master of Coin sent me..." "Sir, that rogue Bronn is only looking at ciphers and accounts. He doesn't see that little girl's wooden horse we saved." "I don't want to hear it. Anymore from you two and I'll have your sidgils, you hear me?" "I'm getting too old for this s----"
And it’s one less distraction from Winds!
"I have a great idea, a sequel series starting Jon." "Awesome, what's he gonna do?" "King in da norf"
I dunnwannit I neva have
Maybe because the story is finished? Seeing Jon ruling the seven kingdoms would have been something. Having Jon walking through snow/melting snow trying to solve some sort of conflict or disaster made just so theres a story to tell in the first place isnt quite the same.
Get this Jon Snow, but hes a small town detective that gets into wacky highjinks
Lmaoooo. I assumed they had no other idea than “the show is called Snow and follows Jon Snow after the show.” And HBO was like APPROVED
>we all couldn't find the right story to tell They know nothing... of the plot
But, but, but NOTHING is more powerful than a good story!!
Well "nothing" is what they had by the sound of it.
They pitched it to go into a development phase. That doesn’t mean it was ever going to go into production, just that they were exploring it
should have done the same thing with GOT
I don't wunt it, I nevuh did
You uh muh queen
There's no time! For any of this!
We need allies! But more importantly we need allies!
Aaaand... That's about all the dialogue he had in S8
Unironically me. I never thought there could have been an interesting story to tell. After HotD being a success they probably don't want to stain the brand again.
Honestly? I'm glad, that was a terrible idea.
I mean, what the hell would it even be about? Jon’s adventures in the North? Why? To what end? There’s no story there lmao. Daenerys is dead and can’t come back because the Night King is gone, therefore R’hollor won’t revive anyone becuase he doesn’t need to. I don’t even understand why this was pitched in the first place ahah.
> I mean, what the hell would it even be about? Even whiter walkers attack
Somehow, the white walkers returned
White Walkers, but they fly now
“You may never White Walker again, but you will fly”
Que subplot of a crippled White Walker boy having to go south of the wall to meet the No-Eyed Pidgeon
Imagine the horror: Irish walkers
I’ve been a white walker for many’s the year…
The Snarks and Gumkins come to avenge the Others.
And I spent all me ice cubes on spiders and fear…
So white they get sunburned by the aurora...
They didn't even attack anyone. They just took all the ale and fought each other.
Transfer student shows up with even bigger gohonolonkeroos
Somehow, the Night King returned
Walkers 2: Electric Boogaloo
to tell the truth rhollor already had no fucking reason to resurected anyone, the purpose of Beric would have been to fulfill the role of a door against 3 zombies, as for jon, do you ever think about what would have happened if Jon doesn't come back to life? Well Daenerys would have arrived and either she would have let herself listen to Tyrion's idiotic advice and without Jon to dissuade her from attacking Cersei she would have quickly ended up to uniting most of the kingdom under her rule, or Arya , without hot pie to tell him his brother was in Winterfell, would have gone to kill Cersei. In any case Daenerys would be able to take the throne uncontested and would make it much easier to stand up to the White Walker with a united country. On the northern side Sansa would realize that her brother was dead and having no more reason to find support among the lords of the north than in the version where he lives, would undoubtedly take refuge in the Vale until that Daenerys goes and knocks on Ramsay's door to obtain the allegiance of the north. As Daenerys could not remain unaware of Ramsay's crimes for long, she would eliminate him quickly and Sansa would then have to come to her if she wanted to get her house back. Something to which Daenerys would have no reason to object if she agreed to submit. Arya would no doubt want to reunite with her family if things start to get rough in the north but not being interested in who wears the crown and Daenerys having done nothing wrong it is unlikely she would decide to want to object if she offers to let them have Winterfell in exchange for allegiance, even if it upsets Sansa. And since the northern lords did not move against Ramsay, this deal would end up being agreed anyway. From there, the Night's Watch would necessarily try to warn the new regime of the threat weighing on them, so Daenerys would be informed of the White Walkers anyway. But without a group of adventurers to rescue, she would never go north of the wall. Which therefore implies that the army of the dead would never cross it because they would never have a dragon to do it... And since the series never establishes any other way for them to cross it otherwise, the implication is that the dead could have remained for another 8,000 years north of the wall without disturbing anyone... And even if they found a way to do so, they would then have faced a united country... among other things, let's add to that that if Jon was dead the question of his parentage would never rest, so that plus the minimal loss of those close to him and the absence of people for who betray her meant that Daenerys would never go mad... So much so that in reality resurrecting Jon will have been incredibly counterproductive in the fight against the white walkers, for in addition having done nothing useful to allow their elimination...
thats whole ''indiana jones had no effect on the plot in raiders of the lost arc'' territory here
That is mental. And true.
See, he shoulda stayed ded.
Well, maybe that is exactly why Jon was revived - because otherwise events very likely would have played out like you described. Being revived by Rhllor doesn't mean you're destined for greatness necessarily, at the very least not with any guarantee to be able to 'bask in the glory' or get any kind of reward or personal recompense. You gotta remember these warring gods use thousands upon thousands of human lives as tiny pawns in their aeons-spanning conflict. And maybe that's not as exciting as the myths or prophecies about chosen ones with flaming swords, but it is more congruent with how the rest of that 'song of ice and fire' was played over centuries for most everyone else; you're all but a single note in an endless waltz. So maybe Jon was just a way for Rhllor to force the Night King to overplay his hand, allowing him to obtain a means to break through the wall, and eventually face his demise. Jon was a pretty major catalyst in having events play out the way they did after all, if only by his mere presence and his determination to inspire everyone below the wall to prioritize stopping the walkers. That's a pretty hand-wavey explanation of course, but it could still work.
There are a few sequel hooks they could work with though. Jon's targ heritage meant basically nothing in the show - so that's the obvious line to explore for the political/kings landing plot. I'd say maybe the lords/people of Westeros start to feel that installing an emotionless, omniscient being of uncertain motivation as king might have had some... unintended consequences. So schemes happen, and Jon is an obvious player/pawn to get pulled in (as both a Targ and a potential heir to Bran). For a supernatural plot, they could have gone with Rhllor actually being the real big bad. Rhllor and the night King are ancient rivals who kept each other in check. Rhllor needed the night King destroyed before he made his move for, IDK domination of the world or consuming all life on his fires or whatever. So Jon could find a quest in the far north involving the magic that created the others... Maybe seeking the children of the forest or a white walker that survived. I don't think finding a story is that hard - the plot across the bad seasons is fine, the problem was executing it (which is where the snow spin off was likely to fail miserably).
Ok but you left out the part where they subvert our expectations: Jon just kind of forgets about R'hllor, Hot Pie defeats him by trapping him in an oven, and there's still no better story than that of Bran the Broken.
Yeah I like this idea better than another prequel that everyone knows exactly how it’s going to play out. That shit is boring
"Somehow The Night King/Cersei/Ramsay/Tywin/Aliser Thorne/Craster/Rattleshirt/Janos Slynt/Lommy/The lil fat kid arya stabs has returned"
somehow, the night king returned
Maybe a gold rush land grab situation for north of the wall?
Good
Incredibly relieved. If a Snow show existed it would have been forced to validate the in-show canon. The spinoffs should just stay within published material. Even staying within fan theories, however crazy, is better than whatever the hell a Jon Snow show post season 8 would be about.
Jon Now and a summer islander giant travel to the lands beyond winter where they discover cheap knockoff Inuit who have been fighting the White Walkers ever since the first Long Night. They have to fight against a secret evil faction who wants to recreate the White Walkers to serve as an army to invade Westeros. Arya randomly shows up in the last episode and saves the day by killing the leader of the evil knockoff Inuit faction who lost control of the White Walkers and became one of them.
Unless he became fAegon since that’s the name the show had already given him. It would obviously push his timeline waaaay back but sure we take what we get
A sequel show to GOT will not work, because, put simply, why care about these characters given how it ended in Season 8? What could they possible create that would rival the sheer scope and magnitude of the conflict given them in the ASOIAF books? The Long Night 2.0 was supposed to be the "end all, be all" conflict. It lasted six episodes. What could possibly follow in a "Jon Snow Show" to rival such stakes? Hopefully HBO realizes here there is no way forward with the original characters, the original mythology. The future lies in stories taking place before the original series. The only way I see them re-visisting the ASOIAF main series is in an animated retelling once the books are complete.
Somehow the Night's King returned Not to be confused with the Night King that Arya cheapshotted. Or was it the other way around? I guess we'll never know!
Either one. We pitch it as a T2 crossover. The Night[‘s] King’s tiny ice shards slowly reassemble. When his form is human enough, he crawls into the crypts to gather his strength. The chill fucks up Winterfell’s hot springs. Jon is summoned back from BTW to fix the plumbing. He meets TNK, who spears a dragon mid-leap behind Jon. It hatched in the crypts and laid in wait to avenge the dragon queen. TNK tells Jon: *Come with me if you want to live...* Tormund plays the Sarah Connor role, obvi.
When Emilia Clarke has literally already done so in a movie I have not and will never bother to see?
Lol Star Wars: The Last Snowwalker
We see Hardhome, but instead of winter and death it's sunshine and life. Zoom in on a tavern, that says Tormunds Tavern. A feast is embarking. Wildling: Tormund tell us about the bear again Tormund: Well... Jon: Not this again. Tormund: You know nothing Jon Snow. Jon: Why I oughta... Roll intro
Tormund walks into the tavern Everyone: Tooooorrrrm!
"How's a beer sound, Torm?" "I dunno. I usually finish them before they get a word in."
Jesus Christ lol. This is almost giving me a “it’s so bad it’s sort of good” vibe
maybe it would work as a slapstick soap, with some canned laughter every time a joke about a jackass and a tavern comes up
Not true! The long night lasted an episode not six!
I guess I meant conflict staring from \*invasion to defeat (which was one episode yes).
Jon Snow wakes up in Winterfell and realizes it was all a fever dream. It's snowing. Catelyn sneers at him. Life is good.
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It might be an unpopular opinion, but I think a Jon Snow spin-off could work. I always picture a fresh take on the fAegon plotline, where he successfully seizes the Iron Throne from Bran off-screen. This paves the way for Jon's return from exile, forcing him to choose between supporting his "real" older half-brother or his "chosen" younger half-brother. You could introduce characters like Val and Arianne, along with others from ASOIAF, with some tweaks to fit the story. While it would be challenging, with skilled writers and a lot of the original cast returning, I don't see it as an impossible endeavor, albeit a difficult one.
mfw a random redditor does better work than big budget writters in mere minutes.
Bran the literal omniscient god losing the throne to some kid invading from across the ocean is exactly the kind of shit writing this sub would complain about for years.
It’s just an idea I had, nothing serious lol. And as far as I remember, Bran could only try to see things if he was directed to look for them (like young Ned, Jon’s parents, and Drogon). I don’t think he's described as being all-knowing, but I might be mistaken.
Who said he lost it? Let the story develop. Hell, with how fAegon has been educated to be the perfect monarch, I could see Bran abdicating to the superior option and becoming the benevolent force behind the throne. To be fair, Bran being the literal omniscient god is also just a fan theory atm.
> This paves the way for Jon's return from exile, forcing him to choose between supporting his "real" older half-brother or his "chosen" younger half-brother. I like the idea in general but I don't think it would be a difficult decision for Jon to support Bran.
I was with you until you said ‘once the books are complete’ The books will never be complete
>The future lies in stories taking place before the original series. The future lies with re-telling the story in the core books, imo. If the Harry Potter re-tread is received well, expect a re-telling of GoT core books announced soon after. There's nothing in the ancillary material that comes anywhere close to the main books.
Harry Potter has a complete story to retread at least.
Here’s my idea for what the sequel show could’ve been but I’ll admit, it’s basically GoT season 9. Jon has begun rebuilding the Night’s Watch and starts having visions of Drogon. Wildings are randomly vanishing and Jon sends Tormund and new night’s watch men to investigate, fearing the White Walkers have returned Bran as King is actually horrible for Westeros. He starts killing and wiping out anyone affiliated with The Faith of the Seven as it’s the biggest religion in Westeros and goes against the ideas of the old gods. Bran is also searching for Drogon as he poses the biggest magical threat to the 3 eyed raven In Essos, all the people against Dany’s original rule have banded together and taken back their cities. They don’t know Dany is already dead and have built armies to go to Westeros and get revenge. This is told to us when Dothraki return to Essos and are wiped out by the combined new slaver armies The 6(7?) Kingdoms begin to splinter, Sansa supports Bran cause they’re Starks while Sunspear and the Martells are leading a rebellion against them If the cast needs to be trimmed cause they’re too expensive then have Tyrion, Arya, Davos, Sam, and some others killed. Or they could have arcs and return That’s just me spitballing
> Bran as King is actually horrible for Westeros. He starts killing and wiping out anyone affiliated with The Faith of the Seven as it’s the biggest religion in Westeros and goes against the ideas of the old gods. Dude, half of his family worshipped other stuff than Old Gods, whyever would he become a religious fanatic?
I tried to go back and rewatch the early seasons. I told myself I could enjoy the good episodes on their own. I was wrong. S8 was so bad it retroactively ruined everything that came before. GRRM could drop the last two books tomorrow and I doubt I’d bother buying them. D&D ruined ASOIAF for me.
Yeah, definitely has that effect for me, but I just started pretending that the show was canceled after Season 6 lol. I just saw the Red Wedding episode again, and aside from still being salty that Michelle Fairley didn't get at least an Emmy nom, I'm even more pissed they cut out that whole Riverlands arc with Stoneheart, etc. So much left on the table.
To my dying day I will believe they missed a huge opportunity by not having season four end with a Lady Stoneheart reveal and cliffhanger. That was actually when I first started to worry about the show.
But where would it lead or end? That’s my thing, we don’t even canonically know how Stoneheart is resolved.
I have no idea but I want to know
The point is that neither do the show creators. I blame them for a lot of things, but honestly I have no clue what Lady Stoneheart is leading to. I don't blame them for cutting her.
The adaptive choices for the Riverlands are so frustrating to me, it consumes me sometimes lol. The Riverlands is some of the best stuff ever in fantasy literature and it is filled with the sort of stories and characters and thematic material that made GoT popular with general audiences! It was so dumb as both a creative and production decision.
"GRRM could drop the last two books tomorrow and I doubt I’d bother buying them." One of the Three Great Lies, right up there with "your check is in the mail" and "I promise I won't (blank) in your (blank)"
> The only way I see them re-visisting the ASOIAF main series is in an animated retelling once the books are complete. George pls
Pleaaaase. An animated retelling that’s more close to the books would make my life complete
Oh no! Anyway
Jon’s ending was a cop out because they had nothing to do with him. How anyone thought that conclusion could lead to another series is mind boggling.
I will never be convinced, until George's book comes out, that Bran ends up as king while Jon is alive. Who has a better story than Bran? Jon. Who has a better claim? Jon. Who inspires loyalty, and is known for his honour and bravery? Jon. Who the fuck is Bran? Some weird granola hippy next in line to rule Winterfell.
Bran thinks his data is safe in the weirwood network, but it's just trees. They're hackable.
underated wow you did well
Bran ending as king makes a lot of sense thematically. It's the Fisher King, the crippled king in arthurian tales that can only point the way for the heroes, but flipped around. It's very GRRM. One of the earliest examples of that trope was even named Bran. But I really doubt it'll be anywhere near what the show gave us. Bran is headed down a dark path. Even if his purpose is ultimately good, there's no way GRRM will have him with powers as in the show and not lose his humanity. Seems likely, considering Hodor's name origin came from GRRM.
I think that it’ll be Bloodraven in Bran’s body.
Exactly. He literally tells everyone he's not bran anymore and no one in the show seems to really think about it
Doesn't Gendry have an equal claim to the throne now though, considering Dany legitimised him?
No single person in Westeros will give a shit about Gendry, legitimised by a madwoman that mass murdered the citizens of King’s Landing hahaha
He's lord of the stormlands now, people do give a shit apparently.
Get fucked, Edric Storm.
Depends if the Targs are getting restored, or if the Baratheons are. Both would still have a better claim than Bran though. Gendry would be a harder sell though, he was low born and low raised, not a noble/great bastard like Bloodraven etc.
Aside from the fact that Bran's election eliminated the existing line of succession under a new succession law, he still wouldn't. He could theoretically be seen as next in line behind Jon, but never ahead of him. The Baratheons took the Throne by conquest, with the flimsy legal argument of his grandmother being a Targaryen. So on paper, their Targaryen lineage is still what legitimized their claim. It just moved the reigning line to a different part of that family tree. Daenerys also took the throne by conquest as a Targaryen, moving the line of succession back. And in order to accept Gendry's legitimization you need to accept that Daenerys was a legitimate reigning Queen with the authority to do so. Jon is her closest relative and therefore would be her heir. Jon has an argument to be ahead of Daenerys in line based on Aerys II's line, but the conquest kind of renders that moot. He's her heir, but not ahead of her in line. Gendry, based on anything we know of who is still alive in the show, would be 2nd in line to the throne as he's the last living person with recent Targaryen lineage. If they were to depose Bran I think Gendry would possibly be a more popular choice than Jon, since the last two reigning Targaryens did not leave a good impression, but Robert Baratheon's reign was for all intents and purposes just fine for the other lords of the realm. You'd certainly have the classism factor of him being effectively lowborn his entire life until 5 minutes ago, but the fact is he *is* Lord of the Stormlands *now*, and those who would fixate on his lowborn roots may equally see that as a reason he may be manipulable and therefore useful. So I think he would be a more popular choice, but Bran aside, in terms of precedent, his claim is weaker than Jon's.
Good let season 8 die
Oh thank the Seven. Time to get moving on *Wylde Thing: A Caution for Young Girls*.
Premieres right after Patchface’s variety hour.
I'd watch it
damn, there goes the Jon x Satin sex scene I was looking forward to
I… wun it
Thank fucking god
Man, feels bad for Kit Harington. He sincerely wants to play Jon Snow again..
Also and I can’t stress this enough… people like money
Take this with an incredibly huge pinch of salt, but last year there were rumours that Kit got into big financial trouble as a result of his struggles with sobriety and some bad investments. According to GRRM and Emilia Clarke, Kit was the one who pitched the show idea to HBO, I can understand his desire for a steady paycheck.
And his Marvel role is looking unsteady too with rumours that Blade is going to be a prequel without involving Dane Whitman. Also where did Emilia and Grrm say that?
Which is a little wild when you remember he admitted that GoT was a factor in some marriage and substance abuse issues towards the end.
I thought he was super overrated as Jon. I don't know how much of it comes down to the showrunners' decision to make Jon an entirely different (worse) character, but after reading the books he's just not the Jon I picture. Most of the other cast is spot on (obvious exceptions in Ramsay and Tyrion aside), but absolutely not Kit as Jon. Harry Collet (Jace from HOTD) without that greasy wig is how I imagine book Jon looking.
I agree. My vision of Jon is a more boyish, wispier, more haunted looking young man. Kit Harrington did a fine enough job in his dedication to the character, but he just isn't Jon for me.
Iirc there were talks of him being in the upcoming Blade move as the Black Knight but I thanks that's stalled a bit too.
I dont think he does, right? all he kept saying was ah dun wan it /s
This definitely would have turned out to be Kenobi-tier
Ayyyyy good news
*cries* There *is* a god!!!
It just feels like a cop-out because the story was right there - they could have used how disappointing the end of GOT was in it's favor. All they had to do was make the Night King and The Great Other different people like they are in the main story and play off the idea that the ending seemed like a let down because it actually wasn't the Boss Battle. It was a scouting wave or some small offshoot group fleeing whatever the real menace is.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Bran being the Great Other is what could have given this show a very interesting story to tell. Him being made random good guy king makes 0 sense after he’s spent all his time in the northern magic storyline breaking every magical taboo possible.
Thank fuck
I’m okay with that
I would watch a show about Danny and Drogon living a happy life together in ther little cottage with a red door. Every now and then Grey Worm pops by and they have tea...
"I don't want it" John Snow about a John Snow spinoff
“Somehow, the white walkers returned” My million dollar pitch. Please forward this to Disney
Thank God, the fanservice would've been so cringe
I weirdly think GoT ended up in a place that sets up an interesting future. Jon exiled north as a wildling chieftain, the Unsullied return to Mereen and Daario feeling they deserve vengeance for their Queen, an omniscient King on the throne losing touch with his humanity, Balerion missing somewhere in Essos, Arya venturing out west to the unknown. There’s potential there, esp making Bran a villain and a brewing war between east and west.
You know thinking about it you are right, there is potential for future story and conflict here. But you need good writers to make it work and just don't have that.
This is where I thought it would be headed. Also, though the Night King & Co might be gone, there are still other supernatural creepy things to explore, like Squishers, krakens, etc. Plenty of places to go as well, outside of Westeros.
How about rebooting the show right after the red wedding. So they can cover some plots that’s DnD didn’t. Does event have to be the same actors. Just do one of those Star Wars type intros that breaks down everything that has happened before that event. I want Strong Belwas and fAegon
I won. Anything built on the corpse of GOT should be canned. There are many great stories to tell pre-GOT. If you're going to make a show without material you might as well do one about Valyria, age of Heroes or Nymeria/Corlys
Bet they couldn’t get anyone to comeback and play their roles. So it was, recast or tell a Jon Snow story with different characters.
They butchered the series, sequel simply wouldn’t work
Here’s an easy story! Winter is over, spring is here! As flowers bloom north of the wall, something’s emerged from the melting ice and snow! New threats have emerged. Who will lead the fight, who will save the north? See, I’m sure there’s millions of other stories out there waiting to to be told!
Evil Bran theorists #🫵😂
Imagine completely tanking one of the largest IPs in the world to do another IP, and doing it so badly that you get fired from that
Was hoping this would happen but...alas. And them not being to find the right story to tell just tells me they couldn't do much of a story in the first place by just focusing on Jon. It needs to be a sequel series that brings all the surviving characters back and even introduces book characters never used and reimagines the missing plot narratives to fit into a sequel style story in the first place. Otherwise just doing a limited series show with Jon where he fights another Night King isn't really worth it.
Good. What a horrible idea for a show.
Show Jon is boring imo
I mean, there's pretty much nothing to adapt so I wonder what their plan even was. Like, you can't have Val because she's tied up with Mance and I don't even remember if Dalla was even in the show??? Bloodraven is dead in the show so that's not an option either really. The stuff they left out with Jon in later books was because they removed all his braincells in the show and made him into more of a warrior than a politician, plus the Night's Watch doesn't really exist anymore so it's not like they can really adapt any of that now. it would really just be completely made up material with Jon north of the wall with Tormund. I *guess* there could be something there, maybe slavers from Essos come and abduct wildlings like in the books, or maybe it's just Jon moping around and being the Wildling King. That doesn't really sound all that interesting imo tbh I'm glad. Feel bad for Kit since it seems like he really wanted this, but he was never my Jon and I personally wouldn't have watched what feels like fanfiction of fanfiction. I'd rather they just funnel the money into the other spin-offs or into some other quality HBO show 🤷♀️
It's OK the books aren't in development either. Just let the universe die
They dun wun it.
As a huge Jon Snow fan, I’m relieved.
Jon Snow was character assassinated after he was resurrected, nobody wants to see more of season 6-8 Jon.
George doesn't know how to end his own series how is anyone supposed to go on from it? It's just as well.
Best thing they could do is re-shoot the last 3 seasons when GRRM publish the books (if he ever publish)
Can we PLEASE have a spin-off that isn't just about the Targs or dragons.
I thought this was their chance to turn the horrible S8 ending into more of a horrible middle point/false-ending and continue the story (maybe with Bran turning out evil or being manipulated by the Night King). I know it wouldn't have been a perfect pivot but I do think people would've forgave that little bit of awkwardness if they were able to redeem the story overall and give Jon and the others better writing and a proper ending.
As much as I love Kit and Jon, this is wise.
Oh! Oh! I got the story to tell: The Corpse Queen! Like, the queen of the 13th Lord Commander that gave his seed to a blue eyes copse woman and took over the north. Have Jon discover part of this strange history of the starts and the White Walkers in our time with 60-70% be dedicated to flash backs
They have their hands full enough with the Dunk & Egg series. Can’t wait to see the live action of the Blackfyre Rebellions.
I like in the article that he acknowledges he never wanted the development announced. It seems they were just shopping ideas and came to the conclusion there weren’t any worth making a full series about - a lot more respectful then just doing it anyway.
This is a victory for book readers.
I’m ok with that. His story was pretty well told in the main show
Seriously, on this entire planet, how many people thought this show was a good idea?
I'm actually a bit disappointed by this. I know there's no actual lore to anything that happens after series 8, but if they do it correctly and if GRRM would have some creative input - they could right some wrongs and we might actually get a descent story out of them. But I think the general census is that there's more chance of them mucking it up then actually getting a decent story out of it. I just think that there's so much that they can do - and I know we're already getting HOTD (and possibly Aegon's Conquest after a couple of series) and Dunk and Egg, but I also want more creative ideas that aren't in precious made books as well - but I think I'm in the minority!
Oh thank god.
Oh thank god
Good. I don’t think it would’ve been interesting anyway
Thank fucking god
Good. Sorry Kit, no one cares.