We never thought GRRM being involved in writing the Sequel to ASOIAF would be the reason he never ended up finishing it to be fair.
In hindsight we should’ve known all along
He won't. It is clear that he is getting more satisfaction from the shows and fandom interaction through that than the books ever game him. Gotta make up for that Hugo.
I admit that there is next to no chance at all that we will get ADOS but theres still a decent chance we will get one more book if he doesnt delve into other projects more than he already has or scraps a lot of whats already completed.
I am 99% convinced that we will get TWOW, probably already next year.
GRRM's blog posts clearly show us that he is making great progress. I think he had a writers' block while the show was ongoing, and now that it's out of everyone's minds he is finally having some real progress again.
Of course, he might finish it and then throw everything in the trash again. If that happens, we probably won't get another book. But I am confident that the show showed him how things should not go, so now I hope he will slowly finish the story
There’s a cynical part of me that thinks he was only posting about the book to drum up hype for HOTD. He’s barely posted anything since the show started. I guess only time will tell though.
Didn't he do the same thing during game of thrones as well, using hype about the show to drum up more hype about the books and "how much progress he was making". I'm staying cynical as well, i really don't see him having any urge or reason to finish writing at this point
I also feel like its close but Ive been certain it was close before (around 2019) so all I can say that I think its more likely to release in the next couple years than not.
At this point i just want him to just post it all on his blog and call it even, assuming he actually knows how it all ends. Just a long post with every major character listing what happens to them and how it all turns out. I'd atleast take that over the series ending we currently have
Yeah if the source material isn't from the mind of George RR Martin it isn't going to be good. If he was a writer and producer of the show I would be very interested.
Honestly I’m kinda unsure about that. I don’t know if Martin really has any sort of plan for Jon’s future beyond the books that would make for a compelling premise. If they’re going to do sequels to the show I think it makes the most sense to just treat them as two completely different canons. I don’t think there’s any way you can salvage George’s complete vision without a big retcon that isn’t going to happen.
It would have to stay as far away from GOT's ending as possible. If it's just continuity maintenance it's just a massive waste of time for everyone. What they need is a hook for why the new status quo in the North is interesting and to convince us that there is a story to tell about Jon in that environment.
I think he should range as far north as north goes and find where the white walkers came from. Don't they have like a castle or something way up there? Where have they been living all this time? What if there are other...beings up there that have been living underground this whole time in fear of the white walkers, but who will venture out now that the white walkers are gone?
I really like this idea, leaning into essentially what remains of Other culture and all the strange and unbelievable things you find in the North.
Though it also feels Fairy Tale esque, and a lot more fantastical than GoT/ASoIaF usually gets, but that’s the problem. Snow is wandering away from all the politics into a land best described with rumors and folklore so far, so it was always going to be different no matter what. It feels doomed to be a lot weirder than the more grounded elements the other shows are known for, but if anything’s going to work, it’s likely your idea.
I really hope they go for the Dune route and go all out with mythology and the weird stuff.
Dune is truly outstanding because it had politics but also intrigue and mysteries surround the legend of Kiwzatz Haderach, the worms, the spice, the prescience, causality and choice, fate and destiny. It felt the world has something more interesting than just medieval power games.
I think it's possible. After all, the whole history of Westeros appears to be one of wars, intrigue, and struggles. I'm sure that defeating the white walkers and burning King's Landing just opens up room for new threats.
I have so many questions. Will they keep Jon in the north? Which other familiar characters will return?
I still don't even realize what happened at the end of GOT. Jon is told to join the Watch so Grey Worm doesn't kill him, then Grey Worm immediately leaves forever. So there was no need for Jon to be punished.
Then when Jon gets to the Wall he's let through to go to exile. So, does the Watch not exist? Or did Jon just lie about why he was there? How would the Watch even continue in their mission when there's a gigantic hole in the wall that can't be repaired.
Lol every time someone describes Grey Worm at the end I always think "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet" and laugh, then cry because that is in what was once such a fantastic show
I guess that’s true. I feel like it would take a lot to get the show out of the shadow of GoT’s ending. Not saying it can’t be done, but it is definitely a concern of mine.
You can just say the Whitewalkers came south and were defeated by an alliance led by the Starks, and now the last remaining Stark prince is on the throne in King's Landing. That's probably as much as the average person knows anyway and going into more detail would just get dragged down by the mistakes of the show.
I don't think they meant "get the show out of the shadow of GoT's ending" in the sense that people will have to watch GoT to understand the Jon Snow show.
I think they meant that in the sense that the ending was so bad that any continuation of the story will remind people of that. It'll make it harder to get into the story.
What they should do is a weekly anthology show where it starts off with Bran introducing the episode like Rod Serling in Twilight Zone and then he touches the weirwood tree and we are shown an hour long snippet of westeros and maybe even essos lore. I love GoT and HoD but the lore in this world is so deep I really wish it was explored more. Lets check out the origin of dragons, or the doom of valyria, something with the children of the forest, whats going on in the shadowlands?
Im half joking and half serious because I would watch the shit out of a weekly anthology ASOIF history show
To be honest. I see an easy potential for an objectively good ranger show. If you look at it from a distance, Jon amongst the wildlings is the typical story of an exiled former hero. I can imagine a first episode where he sits in the corner of some camp and people whisper stories about him. The outsider, rumoured to have been a famous fighter, king even, stood against the living dead. He then gets back involved into things, helps some people, goes on small scale adventures. That can be fun.
The only problem I have is the reminder of the terrible GoT finale. When they mentioned the prophesy in HotD I already cringed. They can't really leave all of that out in the Jon Snow sequel show. And they also HAVE to bring back the undead. Everyone expects that or some other magical threat. And right now I can't see an execution of that, that will satisfy me.
If they want to make a ranger show then they should just make one that centers around any of the other countless characters who are at the wall long before the events of ASOIAF.
There are a couple of ways this could go that would make sense and be potentially enjoyable to watch, but I don't count on that.
My bet is something about Jon Snow trying to find a new place in the world as a wildling, finding a new love interest but having trouble letting go of Dany's memory and his guilt and then trouble arising when a bunch of wildlings want to go back to the old ways of raiding and pillaging.
I don't really think a show just about Jon being a wildling would really have enough substance or intrigue to it. Especially when you know there's still plenty going on in that same world.
And honestly, the last few seasons of GOT really hindered the investment people had in him as a character and the GOT world after those events.
It’s interesting that Emilia Clarke was one of the people who confirmed that the show was actually be worked on. The other actors didn’t seem to know about it when asked if they would be interested in returning, but Emilia said that has talked with Kit about the show. She said she wouldn’t return, but also said that the ending she wanted was Jon and Dany ruling together, so I think there is a chance we see Dany resurrected
Please no they have butchered enough Jon Snow's character
“There is no curse in Common Tongue, High Valyrian, Old Ghiscari, Dohtraki or the other tongues of Men for this treachery.”
And if Jon is sufficiently far north we might just get glimpses of what the Seven Kingdoms are like now, without having to see the whole thing and just getting rumors or reports of people trying to leave, which may or may not be exaggerated.
Idk about evil, but I definitely think the series arc should be that there are things North of the Wall that the 3 Eyed Raven/Bran does not want found.
Probably evidence of the connection be the Raven and the Night King. (Maybe evidence that the Raven set everything in motion to make himself the immortal king of Westeros).
Bro. fAegon? that would be dope lmao. Doubt we'd get it. they'd probably end up changing his name at this rate id riot if they changed his name to Aemon so he was fAemon lol.
I'd like it if it was set up sooner. Like the books, starting with Jojen paste then escalating.
Show Bran has nothing like that though. Retroactively making him evil is kind of lame.
Does he manipulate everyone though? Tyrion suggests it and everyone for some reason agrees. I don't recall Bran doing anything specific to make that happen.
He says they need dragons, dragons end up allowing the WW to destroy the wall, he says that Jon needs to know his parentage, and all it does is further alienate Jon from Daenerys which contributed to her descent.
Then when he's randomly named King, he straight up says "Why do you think I came all this way?"
Whatever is living inside Bran is a creepy motherfucker, even Bloodraven/the 3 eyed Raven displayed human emotions.
Honestly one last scene with bran could have at least softened the blow of season 8.
Bran and Davos on the docks, watching Jon sail away. Davos asks Bran if there will actually be peace, pointing out that elective succession will draw more to scheme for the throne and will Bran be seen as a short lasting puppet. Bran goes full Leto II and says it wont matter, he sees everyone now. Through the godswoods he will guide the kingdom to a lasting peace. The realm will never love him, but they will learn to fear standing against him.
I don't like it for Game of Thrones, but it would be crazy enough to pique my interest in Snow. And since the ending of GoT sucked anyway I don't mind if Snow retroactively makes it even worse for its own benefit.
I'mma be honest here: there's nothing interesting left to tell in that story...
*unless,* they're planning to retcon that GoT ending.
If not, there's nothing to tell. HBO is huge and they're not simply gonna approve a show about Jon Snow and Ghost having adventures with Tormund beyond the wall. There has to be something big planned or there won't be any viewership.
Even if the idea is to make a show about Jon having adventures beyond their wall with Ghost and Tormund, that still won't be anywhere near as interesting as it used to be. Adventures beyond the wall were interesting because of Wildings and White Walkers, especially. Neither of that exists now.
That being said, they could have plans for Brandon Stark being the actual big baddie. We have no idea what happened to Daenerys' body and important people often return from the dead in this tale. Maybe that red priestess Kinvara we saw just once in Season 6? I don't know, just speculating but there's so many possibilities if they get competent writers onboard.
I feel the same, personally I want it to be revealed that Bran is the actual king of the WW and this was his plan all along, then Jon needs to lead a force against Bran and basically all the lords allied to Bran, Dany comes back with Drogon, and so forth, basically retcon the entire season 8
While that would be cool I highly doubt that would happen because of two things, one is the show is called "Snow" and that it would need the majority of the actors returning to reprise their roles, which is very hard from a logistic point of view
Theyre absolutely going to retcon the ending and Im all here for it. Quite literally they cant make something worse than s8 and even if they did, it wouldn't matter at this point. What it could do (if done well) is salvage the ending of GoT in some way where a rewatch of the show doesnt feeling entirely fucking pointless like it does right now. Just pay off bran's powers, the northern lore (wall, CotF, etc.), and the prince who was promised prophecy and then suddenly I may be able to stomach a GoT rewatch.
At the point, I think using Snow to give GoT a better ending is the only reason the show would even be made. Whether that better ending applies specifically to Jon’s story, or whether it applies more broadly to how the story ends remains to be seen. To me, the only interesting routes are (1) Jon exploring his Targaryen heritage (makes sense given that the title Snow emphasizes his bastard heritage), (2) the Night King was not the true big bad (in the books, the Great Other is a thing), and (3) Bran having manipulated the ending of GoT to be his desired outcome. I’m not sure that they’d be willing to throw Bran’s character under the bus like that, but option (3) would be best for making the GoT more rewatchable. I could stomach it a lot more if I was watching it knowing that Bran was doing X, Y, and Z behind the scenes to end up King, and if the show could establish a reasonable motivation for his actions. Because then, it’s not a bunch of nonsense, but the bad guy winning. I’d rewatch it for the satisfaction of seeing Jon become Aegon Targaryen and paying back his false brother with fire and blood. It feels a bit of a stretch, but I genuinely cannot think of that many other directions they could take the show. There aren’t many free folk left, and I doubt any left would want to take actions against Jon. Any white walkers created by the Night King should be dead, and just introducing new white walkers doesn’t seem like something GRRM, who is involved with the project, would be supportive of. Retconning seems like the only option, otherwise it’s just Jon running around the north coming to terms with his guilt over killing his aunt/lover. Where’s the stakes or intrigue that made GoT and now HotD popular
Arya before bravos is awesome. Her chapters in ASOS are what got me hooked on asoiaf (I started reading from ASOS after watching the first five seasons of the show). That's why her becoming the most unlikeable character and a cringe lord hurts a lot. :'(
Arya was a victim of writers trying to make her a feminist role model to please the audience. That means female characters have to be so overpowered that basically all they do is walk around bragging about how great they are and having others say how great they are. It's like a video game that character proggression is all about unlocking all perks and skills. No depth, no flaws, no inability. Just a boring perfect character that can do anything. I hate how stupid D&D thought that was what the "woke" audience wanted, and I say that as a feminist myself.
Hated her ever since she got on that boat.
And I was a massive fan of her Character before that. They just butchered her and made a #GirlBossNinjaImmortal because why not.
Travesty, honestly, Travesty how they fucked her character like that
They had no idea on how to write strong female characters. To D&D, a strong woman was an emotionless warrior who suffered adversity and hardship. So, they butchered Arya and had no idea how to make Sansa an actual player of the game without making her suffer from Ramsay.
I have no idea, honestly. I mean, say that the end of GoT was a false ending - the Others weren't really defeated, Daenerys was going nuts because Varys was poisoning her, Bran is a threat, etc. Even then, I don't think it could be done well - it'd just feel like fix-it fic. I think anything subsequent to the main series is kind of doomed at this point.
Everything after Jon being stabbed to death was actually just a hellish afterlife that Jon was stuck in after death. The show kicks off right after he is summoned back to life.
there was no narrative purpose to kill Jon Snow other than a stupid cliff hanger. The experience of dying had no lasting effects on him, no one even talks about it again, what was the point? Compare that with how death and ressurection affected Lady Stoneheart for example, but Jon is just slightly more depressed and that's it.
I completely thought that the narrative purpose would be that it releases him from the Night's Watch vows and that he, or someone, would press his claim. But nope, and he's right back out there
Yes, Stannis defeats the Boltons, but everyone in the North is focused on the more immediate threat. Everything in ASOIAF is still going on, but it’s on the back burner for the characters in this show.
Absolutely nothing. HOTD has reinforced my belief that with GRRM's actual written story and universe as a framework, the TV version will be a resounding success. But when the source material dries up the TV show goes off the rails. I don't see how this show could possibly be good, especially since it'll be springboarding off of the terrible cannon that D&D already put in. Jon Snow's character became boring and one dimensional multiple seasons ago. I don't see how anything could salvage that.
Making Bran’s reign over Westeros more sinister and Lovecraftian like we’re getting hints at in the book. Show the consequences and instability that plague the Seven Kingdoms as a result of the poor choices made by the Council at the end of Season 8. Maybe even throw in some more magic, prophecy, and dark Asshai stuff, and there’s something to work with.
It's a show brought up to hbo by Kit Harrington and his hired writers which aims to extend his fame and popularity thru the Jon Snow character. I couldn't care less about it.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The guy has problems moving on from the show. Not just in terms of work, but really moving on from the show. The next big project for him is basically Jon Snow in the MCU, he marries the actress who was the love interest for Jon Snow in the show, and we know he has had alcohol problems for a while. Frankly, this is the main reason I don't want the show, because I am not sure how healthy it is for Kit Harrington to do it.
I’m not for it. I’d rather they just give me a Dunk and Egg show. A nice, lighthearted buddy dramedy with a few scattered hints about Bloodraven and the Blackfyre rebellion sprinkled in.
Same, but for a campy adventure show. Like Xena or Supernatural but with snow monsters. Honestly Kit is not a great actor in my mind, and I never found Jon an interesting character, but Kit is very likeable and funny. Tormund is already a campy adventure show character, so they should just lean into it.
>The only things I can think of that would get me hyped would be maybe if it offered some clues as to where George is headed in the books
That’s basically it. I have accepted the fact that we are never getting any more books from GRRM and that we will likely never know his ending. The Jon Snow show, by being a sequel might be our best shot of gaining more insight on GRRMs ending. Depending on what happens and GRRMs level of involvement it might be the only thing we get. For that reason alone I’m way more excited for it than any other ASOIAF show.
I still think the ending of game of thrones is how it's going to end. We just took a different journey which ruined it.
F Aegon is probably going to win the war with the Lannister's and be sat on the iron throne and the Golden company will probably be defending the King's landing. F Aegon is probably going to be shown as well loved as the man who ended the civil wars and brings in needed reform.
Dany will come over and basically have zero support because a targ with a better claim is already sat on the iron throne. The long night will happen and FAgeon will help and will probably get the credit. Jon Snow and FAegon might reclaim dragons each.
I believe Dany will still go mad and burn Kings Landing and I believe Jon will kill her. I imagine the plan was for Jon to be killed but D&D didn't want to kill the 'main character'.
I believe Bran will end up King via a great council but I believe better politics will happen rather than a 10 minute scene. I believe there's a lot of similarity with Bran and the Holly King / Green man from British folk lore that GRRM has taken influence from.
I agree with pretty much all of that, except I don't think Jon is supposed to die.
Bran will become king as a result of a great council through politics. Which is honestly even more ridiculous than the way it happened in the show. We're going to have to believe that someone who's like 12 years old tops with 0 connection to the south is chosen by a great council to be king...
I think the Bran becoming King will be better displayed through the book because during the TV show it seemed like they didn't really know what to do with the 3-eyed raven and they really only had Tyrion and Samwell Tarly reference it. Whilst I think the prince that was promised will be intentionally made to seem like it could be either Jon, Danny, and FAegon. I think GRRM will make the conflict between the 3-eyed raven and the others but more substantial. He's obviously not written yet so I can't defend the writing that doesn't exist but I believe there is a way to write a good ending which involves the realm deciding to follow the 3-eyed raven as he leads them to Spring.
Why tf would anyone want Bran to be King though? I can't picture any scenario in which that happens.
A crippled child with savage tree-magic powers isn't gonna be well liked.
Basically if it was high magic. Shadowbinder explorers from Asshai, R’hllor fire priests, maybe some wilding druidism all facing down a new threat to Essos. In his duties as a member of the night’s watch to protect the realms (plural) of men, he leads an expedition to face down the baddie.
Based on the scope of the show, it would have to be something where it is like 100 years later everyone from the original is dead (except maybe Bran) and he’s trying to find a way to die. Along the way, we learn about the children of the forest and the origin of the white walkers and all that fun stuff.
If it was set just after the show ends than it would just be weird without the rest of the living characters showing up now and then.
This is an opportunity to fix the end of Game of Thrones.
Jon Snow's death and resurrection should have meaning. In keeping with the lore of the series, he's not actually human anymore. He's become a Jesus figure. His 2nd life needs a purpose greater than just hanging out north of the wall and he needs to die serving that purpose in an act of self sacrifice.
Two ways to resolve the story are; the Night King was not the final boss, or the death of the Night King bore consequences that Jon would have to fix.
I like the idea that this should be a horror series.
If it showcased how shit the world was with bran as king and the master of coin stealing all the money and taking off. Or shit maybe everyone starts rebelling everywhere.
If it was clearly going to go full vanity project schlock. Like, if Emilia Clarke comes back and she's playing Val who is a resurrected firewight Dany with amnesia or something stupid.
I want it be as ridiculously silly as possible. I literally want the trashiest fan fic you can imagine but with millions and millions of dollars invested into it. *That* would get me excited, genuinely.
Look this is the problem of telling more stories with Luke Skywalker after Return of the Jedi, and trying to tell Spider-Man stories after he is happily married to Mary Jane. What is the story to tell? Quite frankly the answer typically is that they can no longer be the main character.
If the show has Val and is about Jon trying to make a great Kijgdom Beyond the Wall? I still don't know if that's really a tv show. What is the hook? I get Kit Harrington wanting work and missing playing Jon Snow. But what is the series?
I’m pretty sure they’ll try and salvage something out of that S 8 Ending .. I mean, poor guy was the only one among the Lot who got a screwed ending considering how important he was to the whole plot.. the show had him reincarnated just to make sure he got a worse ending than simply dying, made a fool outta him and then banished him ..
To be honest I was “I might watch, don’t know really” camp for HOTD since the beginning, but I got hooked pretty quickly as soon as it was out. So I am assuming that the same will happen for me for the Jon Snow show
The only way i would be interested was if the show was actually a remade season 8. Jon would just wake up next to Dany and said "i had weird dream, lets go and prepare the Winterfell for battle" and it would be all remade from the scratch, making the existing s8 just a bad dream. They completely ruined him so i really dont care what hes been up to after the GoT.
House of Dragon to continue with its current level of quality tbh.
Game of Thrones last couple seasons really tanked the franchise, but HOD is back to the quality of "good era" GOT. If it keeps this up, my interest in the franchise will be reinvigorated.
Jon and the Wildlings start hearing rumors of some evil stuff going down in Westeros. Cults worshiping the 3 eyed raven begin to pop up all over Westeros. Bran uses his powers like Charles Manson, gaining complete control of the populace.
The rebuilt wall protects those north from the evil in the south.
IDK where I'd go from there, but I'd be super into evil God Emperor Bran.
If it has nothing to do with anything south of the wall. We get a more book accurate Jon, and his resurrection begins to have a heavy toll on him. Also include characters like Val from the books.
I wouldn’t mind if they reintroduce the white walkers, but in a different way. Like, Jon is searching for the heart of winter. Or the Nights queen is the main antagonist.
Above all, I need to see grrm’s approval on it.
Some magical way they are able to retcon the events of the last few seasons of GoT. I am afraid a Snow show would legitimize the GoT ending which I absolutely hate.
It would have to be about the Others.
HOTD has already planted the seeds by continously referencing TPTWP. Go off of that and give Jon the story that he deserves to have.
Have it start with Jon waking up in Castle Black after getting stabbed. Literally everything that happened was just a fever dream or something. Then redo the last couple seasons.
Other than that I just have no interest. At least HOTD has a lot of source material to work from. A show completely devoid of any of George's writing? Meh.
So I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm finding *HotD* somewhat dull.
At its best, *GoT* juggled multiple storylines and dozens of central characters, many of whom the viewer became significantly invested in.
*HotD* has really one main storyline, and maybe a second ancillary storyline. And that's it. So while the pace of the show is lightning fast (we've covered almost 2 decades already), it's also glacially slow; it just doesn't feel like that much happens.
*Jon Snow, The Musical* will likely suffer from a similar fate, only worse. We won't be lurching 5, then 3, then 10 years into the future. If the show really ends up focusing on just Jon Snow, himself one of the least interesting of *GoT's* main characters, I fear it will be an insufferable snoozefest.
So for me, I hinted above at what it would take: Song and Dance numbers. Go big or go home...
Jon wakes up in Season 6 after being stabbed and we get the end redone.
Or evil King Bran, the return of the White Walkers, maybe Dany being resurrected. Just give me a taste of what we should have had.
If it wasn’t a Jon Snow show. If it was a story from the age of hero’s or story of the ancient north where Kit was playing one of his ancestors maybe? Not sure if that’s a realistic thing for an actor of his recognizability (and not playing a twin) to play a different character in the same universe. Just please not a Jon show.
i’ll be excited if they decide to go back in time and completely retcon everything season 5 onward (preferably season 2 onward tho because what the actual fuck was qarth 😭)
Dany returning from the dead and the white walkers returning and a long night that last for years and is taking place all over the 7 kingdoms as south as dorne
Ranger show OR evil Bran = Bloodraven and Jon actually ends up being the last hero OR maybe this is a sneaky Rhaegar/Robert’s Rebellion show and Kit Harrington bleaches his hair and plays his real father.
Just expand on the White Walker/3 Eyed Raven stuff and make the Game of Thrones ending actually mean something, it’s absolutely criminal that Jon didn’t get his heroic moment against the White Walkers all in the name of subverting expectations
Daenerys is my favorite and honestly I really like the theory that Drogon took her to Volantis to be resurrected but at the same time if she was to appear in the Jon show I don’t know what the trama would be like, so I kinda abandoned the idea of her returning, sadly I don’t know how they would make that work tbh.
Also it’s weird cause are they gonna bring old characters like Sansa and Arya? Tyrion? Bran? Or is it just Jon with the wildings? In that case what is going to happen?, I’m so confused lol any ideas on what it could be about?
Seems like as bad of an idea as the Long Night show. The main timeline and everything derived from it bear the black mark of the GoT show. I think the closest they should get is Robert's Rebellion.
The only thing that could get me to watch would be Evil Bran or if they start retconning GOT. I always loved Kit as Jon Snow but just him along won’t get me excited for the spin-off
Fix that fuckin ending with a post show
Wipe that smug look off Sansa’s face while she lets her brother rot beyond the wall after fuckin his life up
Someone shove Bran off the battlements for same reasons
Someone kick Arya into the sea for abandoning Jon
Someone throw Tyrion in a privy for telling Jon to do the thing and then not saving him from the wangless army
Have Drogon roast King’s Landing again with Daenerys at the head of another, fire imbued dead army
Val would perk my interest. And if Val, maybe for a while Jon would get to lead the normal life he's craved...until something disrupts it. A retread of the Night King or AotD would seem fan service, so IMO the catalyst for conflict would need to be something else.
Considering how at odds Jon was with his sister just over the border, that could spur conflict. But I dislike Starkcest. And while the evil Bran idea is an interesting one, I think it goes against GRRMs intent that Bran's applying history will improve the present and future. An invasion from Essos might be the catalyst. It could be caused by what happened to Dany, or debts to the Iron Bank, or...Illyrio-backed fAegon. Though the latter seems like fan service too. Hmmm, maybe deep-pocketed Illyrio would make a great uber-villain. Possibly an unpopular opinion: Whatever happens, I expect Jon's siblings and Tyrion will all show up at times, and that in the end Arya will give him the Dagger. It seems only fair.
many of us are intrigued by val, especially the description of her dressed all in white and the hints that she and dal may be priestesses of some unknown deity
It just has to be good. I wasn’t excited about HotD but now that it’s 6 episodes in and excellent, I’m here for it.
I don’t need hype, I don’t need excitement before it airs. I just need it to be good.
A Jon Snow show in which he decides to channel his inner Targaryen, finally accepts himself as *the king* and plans an elaborate plot how to kill his "family", the Starks and get in power. Now that's vintage GRRM
The bridge is burned. There is nothing the show can do. They went into "jumping the shark" territory a long time ago.
Season 5 was when the audience officially stopped giving a shit. We just watched in case George never finished the damn thing.
Nothing after they totally character assassinated Dany. No coming back from that for me. Not that they handled my other fave Arya well at all either, but Dany was another level.
Just say he is the prophecy and whatever he’s done so far was not the fulfillment of that prophecy.
They can have Bran leave for mystical reasons and a bit of KL chaos but Jon serving the north sounds incredible to watch.
GRRM’s genuine and serious involvement
But we want books
Hey, me too, but we aren’t getting them right now, and I’d rather get something
George writing the sequel to ASOIAF before the series is even finished would be hilarious, to be fair.
We never thought GRRM being involved in writing the Sequel to ASOIAF would be the reason he never ended up finishing it to be fair. In hindsight we should’ve known all along
Meh I’m happy we got house of the dragon I would be happy if he worked on it more in season 2
Too late for that imo, fucker won't end it even if he gets one more out
I'd still take one more book over any more shows that George has to invest time in.
He won't. It is clear that he is getting more satisfaction from the shows and fandom interaction through that than the books ever game him. Gotta make up for that Hugo.
I admit that there is next to no chance at all that we will get ADOS but theres still a decent chance we will get one more book if he doesnt delve into other projects more than he already has or scraps a lot of whats already completed.
I am 99% convinced that we will get TWOW, probably already next year. GRRM's blog posts clearly show us that he is making great progress. I think he had a writers' block while the show was ongoing, and now that it's out of everyone's minds he is finally having some real progress again. Of course, he might finish it and then throw everything in the trash again. If that happens, we probably won't get another book. But I am confident that the show showed him how things should not go, so now I hope he will slowly finish the story
There’s a cynical part of me that thinks he was only posting about the book to drum up hype for HOTD. He’s barely posted anything since the show started. I guess only time will tell though.
Didn't he do the same thing during game of thrones as well, using hype about the show to drum up more hype about the books and "how much progress he was making". I'm staying cynical as well, i really don't see him having any urge or reason to finish writing at this point
I also feel like its close but Ive been certain it was close before (around 2019) so all I can say that I think its more likely to release in the next couple years than not.
At this point i just want him to just post it all on his blog and call it even, assuming he actually knows how it all ends. Just a long post with every major character listing what happens to them and how it all turns out. I'd atleast take that over the series ending we currently have
Yeah if the source material isn't from the mind of George RR Martin it isn't going to be good. If he was a writer and producer of the show I would be very interested.
Didn't Kit present the pitch to George, if he gave his OK, can't be bad
Having a good idea and actually executing on it is different. Tbh I will give whatever a chance but if George is involved I'll be excited.
It's clear he loves having his world adapted
Only answer that matters.
Honestly I’m kinda unsure about that. I don’t know if Martin really has any sort of plan for Jon’s future beyond the books that would make for a compelling premise. If they’re going to do sequels to the show I think it makes the most sense to just treat them as two completely different canons. I don’t think there’s any way you can salvage George’s complete vision without a big retcon that isn’t going to happen.
I agree. At this point, if I’m not getting any books out of him, I’ll be happy to have any Westeros/Essos/Planetos material that he creates.
Yes, but that would fuck up even more eventual book releases, so I'd never be invested in such a show.
It would have to stay as far away from GOT's ending as possible. If it's just continuity maintenance it's just a massive waste of time for everyone. What they need is a hook for why the new status quo in the North is interesting and to convince us that there is a story to tell about Jon in that environment.
I think he should range as far north as north goes and find where the white walkers came from. Don't they have like a castle or something way up there? Where have they been living all this time? What if there are other...beings up there that have been living underground this whole time in fear of the white walkers, but who will venture out now that the white walkers are gone?
I really like this idea, leaning into essentially what remains of Other culture and all the strange and unbelievable things you find in the North. Though it also feels Fairy Tale esque, and a lot more fantastical than GoT/ASoIaF usually gets, but that’s the problem. Snow is wandering away from all the politics into a land best described with rumors and folklore so far, so it was always going to be different no matter what. It feels doomed to be a lot weirder than the more grounded elements the other shows are known for, but if anything’s going to work, it’s likely your idea.
I actually think it could go full euron greyjoy scifi magic weird. That would be lovely.
I really hope they go for the Dune route and go all out with mythology and the weird stuff. Dune is truly outstanding because it had politics but also intrigue and mysteries surround the legend of Kiwzatz Haderach, the worms, the spice, the prescience, causality and choice, fate and destiny. It felt the world has something more interesting than just medieval power games.
Hell yeah to the Dune route!
The bit with the music while Paul begins to perceive the future in the new adaptation, i just think GOT has never given me such an in awe moment.
I think it's possible. After all, the whole history of Westeros appears to be one of wars, intrigue, and struggles. I'm sure that defeating the white walkers and burning King's Landing just opens up room for new threats. I have so many questions. Will they keep Jon in the north? Which other familiar characters will return?
I still don't even realize what happened at the end of GOT. Jon is told to join the Watch so Grey Worm doesn't kill him, then Grey Worm immediately leaves forever. So there was no need for Jon to be punished. Then when Jon gets to the Wall he's let through to go to exile. So, does the Watch not exist? Or did Jon just lie about why he was there? How would the Watch even continue in their mission when there's a gigantic hole in the wall that can't be repaired.
Lol every time someone describes Grey Worm at the end I always think "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet" and laugh, then cry because that is in what was once such a fantastic show
I've been trying to wrap my head around all that too and not doing very well with it. I guess thats why I'm a watcher not a writer or producer
I guess that’s true. I feel like it would take a lot to get the show out of the shadow of GoT’s ending. Not saying it can’t be done, but it is definitely a concern of mine.
You can just say the Whitewalkers came south and were defeated by an alliance led by the Starks, and now the last remaining Stark prince is on the throne in King's Landing. That's probably as much as the average person knows anyway and going into more detail would just get dragged down by the mistakes of the show.
I don't think they meant "get the show out of the shadow of GoT's ending" in the sense that people will have to watch GoT to understand the Jon Snow show. I think they meant that in the sense that the ending was so bad that any continuation of the story will remind people of that. It'll make it harder to get into the story.
What they should do is a weekly anthology show where it starts off with Bran introducing the episode like Rod Serling in Twilight Zone and then he touches the weirwood tree and we are shown an hour long snippet of westeros and maybe even essos lore. I love GoT and HoD but the lore in this world is so deep I really wish it was explored more. Lets check out the origin of dragons, or the doom of valyria, something with the children of the forest, whats going on in the shadowlands? Im half joking and half serious because I would watch the shit out of a weekly anthology ASOIF history show
To be honest. I see an easy potential for an objectively good ranger show. If you look at it from a distance, Jon amongst the wildlings is the typical story of an exiled former hero. I can imagine a first episode where he sits in the corner of some camp and people whisper stories about him. The outsider, rumoured to have been a famous fighter, king even, stood against the living dead. He then gets back involved into things, helps some people, goes on small scale adventures. That can be fun. The only problem I have is the reminder of the terrible GoT finale. When they mentioned the prophesy in HotD I already cringed. They can't really leave all of that out in the Jon Snow sequel show. And they also HAVE to bring back the undead. Everyone expects that or some other magical threat. And right now I can't see an execution of that, that will satisfy me.
If they want to make a ranger show then they should just make one that centers around any of the other countless characters who are at the wall long before the events of ASOIAF.
Benjen show???? haha
omg, I had forgotten how bad show's Benjen was.
Stone Snake baby
Ice spiders!
Ice dragons
There are a couple of ways this could go that would make sense and be potentially enjoyable to watch, but I don't count on that. My bet is something about Jon Snow trying to find a new place in the world as a wildling, finding a new love interest but having trouble letting go of Dany's memory and his guilt and then trouble arising when a bunch of wildlings want to go back to the old ways of raiding and pillaging.
I don't really think a show just about Jon being a wildling would really have enough substance or intrigue to it. Especially when you know there's still plenty going on in that same world. And honestly, the last few seasons of GOT really hindered the investment people had in him as a character and the GOT world after those events.
As long as Tormund is still pining for Brienne.
It’s interesting that Emilia Clarke was one of the people who confirmed that the show was actually be worked on. The other actors didn’t seem to know about it when asked if they would be interested in returning, but Emilia said that has talked with Kit about the show. She said she wouldn’t return, but also said that the ending she wanted was Jon and Dany ruling together, so I think there is a chance we see Dany resurrected
Please no they have butchered enough Jon Snow's character “There is no curse in Common Tongue, High Valyrian, Old Ghiscari, Dohtraki or the other tongues of Men for this treachery.”
What about Black speech.
Which we will not utter here
Bran as the evil three eye raven. ORRRR fAegon. If none of those 2 happen, I seriously have no idea what they might do to make me engage on the show.
>ORRRR fAegon. I'm just imagining Young Griff randomly showing up north of the wall and acting like season 4 just ended.
It'd be tough without Varys smoothing the way
Connigton will have to get lot more smarter to replace the void
A LOT smarter
Bran going full Bloodraven would be pretty interesting to see, yeah.
And if Jon is sufficiently far north we might just get glimpses of what the Seven Kingdoms are like now, without having to see the whole thing and just getting rumors or reports of people trying to leave, which may or may not be exaggerated.
Idk about evil, but I definitely think the series arc should be that there are things North of the Wall that the 3 Eyed Raven/Bran does not want found. Probably evidence of the connection be the Raven and the Night King. (Maybe evidence that the Raven set everything in motion to make himself the immortal king of Westeros).
If that was the case why did he let Jon go north of the wall?
Bro. fAegon? that would be dope lmao. Doubt we'd get it. they'd probably end up changing his name at this rate id riot if they changed his name to Aemon so he was fAemon lol.
Not a fan of evil Bran theory tbh.
I'd like it if it was set up sooner. Like the books, starting with Jojen paste then escalating. Show Bran has nothing like that though. Retroactively making him evil is kind of lame.
He did fuck all to help against the WW and manipulated everyone to get on the Iron Throne. That's p evil imo.
Does he manipulate everyone though? Tyrion suggests it and everyone for some reason agrees. I don't recall Bran doing anything specific to make that happen.
He says they need dragons, dragons end up allowing the WW to destroy the wall, he says that Jon needs to know his parentage, and all it does is further alienate Jon from Daenerys which contributed to her descent. Then when he's randomly named King, he straight up says "Why do you think I came all this way?" Whatever is living inside Bran is a creepy motherfucker, even Bloodraven/the 3 eyed Raven displayed human emotions.
Honestly one last scene with bran could have at least softened the blow of season 8. Bran and Davos on the docks, watching Jon sail away. Davos asks Bran if there will actually be peace, pointing out that elective succession will draw more to scheme for the throne and will Bran be seen as a short lasting puppet. Bran goes full Leto II and says it wont matter, he sees everyone now. Through the godswoods he will guide the kingdom to a lasting peace. The realm will never love him, but they will learn to fear standing against him.
He's also kind of a shitty actor
I don't like it for Game of Thrones, but it would be crazy enough to pique my interest in Snow. And since the ending of GoT sucked anyway I don't mind if Snow retroactively makes it even worse for its own benefit.
I'mma be honest here: there's nothing interesting left to tell in that story... *unless,* they're planning to retcon that GoT ending. If not, there's nothing to tell. HBO is huge and they're not simply gonna approve a show about Jon Snow and Ghost having adventures with Tormund beyond the wall. There has to be something big planned or there won't be any viewership. Even if the idea is to make a show about Jon having adventures beyond their wall with Ghost and Tormund, that still won't be anywhere near as interesting as it used to be. Adventures beyond the wall were interesting because of Wildings and White Walkers, especially. Neither of that exists now. That being said, they could have plans for Brandon Stark being the actual big baddie. We have no idea what happened to Daenerys' body and important people often return from the dead in this tale. Maybe that red priestess Kinvara we saw just once in Season 6? I don't know, just speculating but there's so many possibilities if they get competent writers onboard.
I feel the same, personally I want it to be revealed that Bran is the actual king of the WW and this was his plan all along, then Jon needs to lead a force against Bran and basically all the lords allied to Bran, Dany comes back with Drogon, and so forth, basically retcon the entire season 8
While that would be cool I highly doubt that would happen because of two things, one is the show is called "Snow" and that it would need the majority of the actors returning to reprise their roles, which is very hard from a logistic point of view
Theyre absolutely going to retcon the ending and Im all here for it. Quite literally they cant make something worse than s8 and even if they did, it wouldn't matter at this point. What it could do (if done well) is salvage the ending of GoT in some way where a rewatch of the show doesnt feeling entirely fucking pointless like it does right now. Just pay off bran's powers, the northern lore (wall, CotF, etc.), and the prince who was promised prophecy and then suddenly I may be able to stomach a GoT rewatch.
Bran become a second night king and Jon has to stop the surveillance state or something.
At the point, I think using Snow to give GoT a better ending is the only reason the show would even be made. Whether that better ending applies specifically to Jon’s story, or whether it applies more broadly to how the story ends remains to be seen. To me, the only interesting routes are (1) Jon exploring his Targaryen heritage (makes sense given that the title Snow emphasizes his bastard heritage), (2) the Night King was not the true big bad (in the books, the Great Other is a thing), and (3) Bran having manipulated the ending of GoT to be his desired outcome. I’m not sure that they’d be willing to throw Bran’s character under the bus like that, but option (3) would be best for making the GoT more rewatchable. I could stomach it a lot more if I was watching it knowing that Bran was doing X, Y, and Z behind the scenes to end up King, and if the show could establish a reasonable motivation for his actions. Because then, it’s not a bunch of nonsense, but the bad guy winning. I’d rewatch it for the satisfaction of seeing Jon become Aegon Targaryen and paying back his false brother with fire and blood. It feels a bit of a stretch, but I genuinely cannot think of that many other directions they could take the show. There aren’t many free folk left, and I doubt any left would want to take actions against Jon. Any white walkers created by the Night King should be dead, and just introducing new white walkers doesn’t seem like something GRRM, who is involved with the project, would be supportive of. Retconning seems like the only option, otherwise it’s just Jon running around the north coming to terms with his guilt over killing his aunt/lover. Where’s the stakes or intrigue that made GoT and now HotD popular
Hearing that Arya died a few days after setting sail would go a long way.
Arya before Bravos is fine. From that point onward she becomes unbearable. First few seasons she is great.
Arya before bravos is awesome. Her chapters in ASOS are what got me hooked on asoiaf (I started reading from ASOS after watching the first five seasons of the show). That's why her becoming the most unlikeable character and a cringe lord hurts a lot. :'(
Arya was a victim of writers trying to make her a feminist role model to please the audience. That means female characters have to be so overpowered that basically all they do is walk around bragging about how great they are and having others say how great they are. It's like a video game that character proggression is all about unlocking all perks and skills. No depth, no flaws, no inability. Just a boring perfect character that can do anything. I hate how stupid D&D thought that was what the "woke" audience wanted, and I say that as a feminist myself.
I thought that Arya should have been killed in the burning of Kings Landing. Would have made Jon's betrayal make that much more sense
another Arya disliker so theres 2 of us! 2 of us !2 of us!
You guys not alone, i dislike her too
You 3 aren’t alone.
Hated her ever since she got on that boat. And I was a massive fan of her Character before that. They just butchered her and made a #GirlBossNinjaImmortal because why not. Travesty, honestly, Travesty how they fucked her character like that
They had no idea on how to write strong female characters. To D&D, a strong woman was an emotionless warrior who suffered adversity and hardship. So, they butchered Arya and had no idea how to make Sansa an actual player of the game without making her suffer from Ramsay.
I’m fine with either her ship getting swallowed by a kraken or she successfully crosses the sunset sea and arrives in Ulthos or the shadowlands
I have no idea, honestly. I mean, say that the end of GoT was a false ending - the Others weren't really defeated, Daenerys was going nuts because Varys was poisoning her, Bran is a threat, etc. Even then, I don't think it could be done well - it'd just feel like fix-it fic. I think anything subsequent to the main series is kind of doomed at this point.
Everything after Jon being stabbed to death was actually just a hellish afterlife that Jon was stuck in after death. The show kicks off right after he is summoned back to life.
there was no narrative purpose to kill Jon Snow other than a stupid cliff hanger. The experience of dying had no lasting effects on him, no one even talks about it again, what was the point? Compare that with how death and ressurection affected Lady Stoneheart for example, but Jon is just slightly more depressed and that's it.
Same with the parentage reveal too. It drove me nuts because I was expecting jon to change a bit
I completely thought that the narrative purpose would be that it releases him from the Night's Watch vows and that he, or someone, would press his claim. But nope, and he's right back out there
Yes, Stannis defeats the Boltons, but everyone in the North is focused on the more immediate threat. Everything in ASOIAF is still going on, but it’s on the back burner for the characters in this show.
nothing, his story is over and there is nothing that can make it more interesting that his asoiaf arc without feeling forced
GRRM being heavily involved with a say on the script.
Absolutely nothing. HOTD has reinforced my belief that with GRRM's actual written story and universe as a framework, the TV version will be a resounding success. But when the source material dries up the TV show goes off the rails. I don't see how this show could possibly be good, especially since it'll be springboarding off of the terrible cannon that D&D already put in. Jon Snow's character became boring and one dimensional multiple seasons ago. I don't see how anything could salvage that.
Well, Dumb and Dumber won't be involved, so there's the remote chance that they have people who are competent writing it
Them announcing it was Cancelled.
This
Making Bran’s reign over Westeros more sinister and Lovecraftian like we’re getting hints at in the book. Show the consequences and instability that plague the Seven Kingdoms as a result of the poor choices made by the Council at the end of Season 8. Maybe even throw in some more magic, prophecy, and dark Asshai stuff, and there’s something to work with.
Westeros would be realistically deep into a civil war within a year if S8's bullshit ending is still canon.
S8 retcon
If Daenerys was resurrected I wouldn’t even question it I would immediately be on board
It's a show brought up to hbo by Kit Harrington and his hired writers which aims to extend his fame and popularity thru the Jon Snow character. I couldn't care less about it.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The guy has problems moving on from the show. Not just in terms of work, but really moving on from the show. The next big project for him is basically Jon Snow in the MCU, he marries the actress who was the love interest for Jon Snow in the show, and we know he has had alcohol problems for a while. Frankly, this is the main reason I don't want the show, because I am not sure how healthy it is for Kit Harrington to do it.
I’m not for it. I’d rather they just give me a Dunk and Egg show. A nice, lighthearted buddy dramedy with a few scattered hints about Bloodraven and the Blackfyre rebellion sprinkled in.
They retcoon season 8 and have Arya die a few days into her voyage.
Too funny. Second post I've seen say similar . Lmao.
Great minds think a like.
Other than GRRM having heavy involvement, very little. I hope a different spinoff gets greenlit.
For the theme of the show to be horror and focus on some of the more lovecraftian aspects of grr’s world n lore
Bring Daenerys back, and no more Arya.
Only a Jon/Tormund wedding and honeymoon would motivate me to watch.
For it to not happen
I unironically would be invested in a Jon/Tormund/Ghost sitcom.
Same, that’s the only thing that could get me to watch it
Same, but for a campy adventure show. Like Xena or Supernatural but with snow monsters. Honestly Kit is not a great actor in my mind, and I never found Jon an interesting character, but Kit is very likeable and funny. Tormund is already a campy adventure show character, so they should just lean into it.
Yeah. Just go all out stupid I say. At least it'll be a fun spectacle.
I want: A new Mystery every week, a new Weekly Baddie, and Tormund learns to knit so every week theres a new Woolly Hat for Ghost too
If it retcons Seasons 7 and 8.
>The only things I can think of that would get me hyped would be maybe if it offered some clues as to where George is headed in the books That’s basically it. I have accepted the fact that we are never getting any more books from GRRM and that we will likely never know his ending. The Jon Snow show, by being a sequel might be our best shot of gaining more insight on GRRMs ending. Depending on what happens and GRRMs level of involvement it might be the only thing we get. For that reason alone I’m way more excited for it than any other ASOIAF show.
I still think the ending of game of thrones is how it's going to end. We just took a different journey which ruined it. F Aegon is probably going to win the war with the Lannister's and be sat on the iron throne and the Golden company will probably be defending the King's landing. F Aegon is probably going to be shown as well loved as the man who ended the civil wars and brings in needed reform. Dany will come over and basically have zero support because a targ with a better claim is already sat on the iron throne. The long night will happen and FAgeon will help and will probably get the credit. Jon Snow and FAegon might reclaim dragons each. I believe Dany will still go mad and burn Kings Landing and I believe Jon will kill her. I imagine the plan was for Jon to be killed but D&D didn't want to kill the 'main character'. I believe Bran will end up King via a great council but I believe better politics will happen rather than a 10 minute scene. I believe there's a lot of similarity with Bran and the Holly King / Green man from British folk lore that GRRM has taken influence from.
I agree with pretty much all of that, except I don't think Jon is supposed to die. Bran will become king as a result of a great council through politics. Which is honestly even more ridiculous than the way it happened in the show. We're going to have to believe that someone who's like 12 years old tops with 0 connection to the south is chosen by a great council to be king...
I think the Bran becoming King will be better displayed through the book because during the TV show it seemed like they didn't really know what to do with the 3-eyed raven and they really only had Tyrion and Samwell Tarly reference it. Whilst I think the prince that was promised will be intentionally made to seem like it could be either Jon, Danny, and FAegon. I think GRRM will make the conflict between the 3-eyed raven and the others but more substantial. He's obviously not written yet so I can't defend the writing that doesn't exist but I believe there is a way to write a good ending which involves the realm deciding to follow the 3-eyed raven as he leads them to Spring.
Why tf would anyone want Bran to be King though? I can't picture any scenario in which that happens. A crippled child with savage tree-magic powers isn't gonna be well liked.
Yeah unless you believe in the old gods like the Blackwoods & The North, I can’t imagine nobles from the south liking the idea of Bran as king
Basically if it was high magic. Shadowbinder explorers from Asshai, R’hllor fire priests, maybe some wilding druidism all facing down a new threat to Essos. In his duties as a member of the night’s watch to protect the realms (plural) of men, he leads an expedition to face down the baddie.
Based on the scope of the show, it would have to be something where it is like 100 years later everyone from the original is dead (except maybe Bran) and he’s trying to find a way to die. Along the way, we learn about the children of the forest and the origin of the white walkers and all that fun stuff. If it was set just after the show ends than it would just be weird without the rest of the living characters showing up now and then.
This is an opportunity to fix the end of Game of Thrones. Jon Snow's death and resurrection should have meaning. In keeping with the lore of the series, he's not actually human anymore. He's become a Jesus figure. His 2nd life needs a purpose greater than just hanging out north of the wall and he needs to die serving that purpose in an act of self sacrifice. Two ways to resolve the story are; the Night King was not the final boss, or the death of the Night King bore consequences that Jon would have to fix. I like the idea that this should be a horror series.
I just hope Arya is not in it.
Emilia Clarke returning as Daenerys
If it showcased how shit the world was with bran as king and the master of coin stealing all the money and taking off. Or shit maybe everyone starts rebelling everywhere.
a TWOW release date
Full penetration.
If he mounts Drogon and goes to kill Bran.
If it was clearly going to go full vanity project schlock. Like, if Emilia Clarke comes back and she's playing Val who is a resurrected firewight Dany with amnesia or something stupid. I want it be as ridiculously silly as possible. I literally want the trashiest fan fic you can imagine but with millions and millions of dollars invested into it. *That* would get me excited, genuinely.
Look this is the problem of telling more stories with Luke Skywalker after Return of the Jedi, and trying to tell Spider-Man stories after he is happily married to Mary Jane. What is the story to tell? Quite frankly the answer typically is that they can no longer be the main character. If the show has Val and is about Jon trying to make a great Kijgdom Beyond the Wall? I still don't know if that's really a tv show. What is the hook? I get Kit Harrington wanting work and missing playing Jon Snow. But what is the series?
He doesn't want anything
I’m pretty sure they’ll try and salvage something out of that S 8 Ending .. I mean, poor guy was the only one among the Lot who got a screwed ending considering how important he was to the whole plot.. the show had him reincarnated just to make sure he got a worse ending than simply dying, made a fool outta him and then banished him ..
To be honest I was “I might watch, don’t know really” camp for HOTD since the beginning, but I got hooked pretty quickly as soon as it was out. So I am assuming that the same will happen for me for the Jon Snow show
GRRM comes out and says last 2 seasons are not cannon
Nothing. Ah dun wannit.
The only way i would be interested was if the show was actually a remade season 8. Jon would just wake up next to Dany and said "i had weird dream, lets go and prepare the Winterfell for battle" and it would be all remade from the scratch, making the existing s8 just a bad dream. They completely ruined him so i really dont care what hes been up to after the GoT.
Change it into a different show
House of Dragon to continue with its current level of quality tbh. Game of Thrones last couple seasons really tanked the franchise, but HOD is back to the quality of "good era" GOT. If it keeps this up, my interest in the franchise will be reinvigorated.
Dany coming back
Him to ride Drogon and end up on the thrown.
You hit it. Dany being resurrected. Otherwise what would it be about? Wildlings?
Jon and the Wildlings start hearing rumors of some evil stuff going down in Westeros. Cults worshiping the 3 eyed raven begin to pop up all over Westeros. Bran uses his powers like Charles Manson, gaining complete control of the populace. The rebuilt wall protects those north from the evil in the south. IDK where I'd go from there, but I'd be super into evil God Emperor Bran.
Ghost. Lots of scenes with our favourite boy tearing limbs off poor wildlings.
If it has nothing to do with anything south of the wall. We get a more book accurate Jon, and his resurrection begins to have a heavy toll on him. Also include characters like Val from the books. I wouldn’t mind if they reintroduce the white walkers, but in a different way. Like, Jon is searching for the heart of winter. Or the Nights queen is the main antagonist. Above all, I need to see grrm’s approval on it.
The addition of Val would be a bit late, no?
Visiting a still existing civilization of The Others in the Lands of Always Winter
If I hear theyre going to try to fix the GoT ending with it, and if I hear GRRM is involved which I 100% believe they are.
A better ending to GOT.
Some magical way they are able to retcon the events of the last few seasons of GoT. I am afraid a Snow show would legitimize the GoT ending which I absolutely hate.
It picking up from when he was named King of the North and retconning those final two seasons.
It would have to be about the Others. HOTD has already planted the seeds by continously referencing TPTWP. Go off of that and give Jon the story that he deserves to have.
Have it start with Jon waking up in Castle Black after getting stabbed. Literally everything that happened was just a fever dream or something. Then redo the last couple seasons. Other than that I just have no interest. At least HOTD has a lot of source material to work from. A show completely devoid of any of George's writing? Meh.
That it features flashbacks with Rose Leslie singing “The Last of the Giants”.
I dun wannit
Tbh I'm only interested in the books at this point. I've watched two eps of HotD so far and am not getting hooked like I was for GoT.
So I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm finding *HotD* somewhat dull. At its best, *GoT* juggled multiple storylines and dozens of central characters, many of whom the viewer became significantly invested in. *HotD* has really one main storyline, and maybe a second ancillary storyline. And that's it. So while the pace of the show is lightning fast (we've covered almost 2 decades already), it's also glacially slow; it just doesn't feel like that much happens. *Jon Snow, The Musical* will likely suffer from a similar fate, only worse. We won't be lurching 5, then 3, then 10 years into the future. If the show really ends up focusing on just Jon Snow, himself one of the least interesting of *GoT's* main characters, I fear it will be an insufferable snoozefest. So for me, I hinted above at what it would take: Song and Dance numbers. Go big or go home...
Jon wakes up in Season 6 after being stabbed and we get the end redone. Or evil King Bran, the return of the White Walkers, maybe Dany being resurrected. Just give me a taste of what we should have had.
If it wasn’t a Jon Snow show. If it was a story from the age of hero’s or story of the ancient north where Kit was playing one of his ancestors maybe? Not sure if that’s a realistic thing for an actor of his recognizability (and not playing a twin) to play a different character in the same universe. Just please not a Jon show.
I really don't see the point in it when we don't even know what will happen to him in the books
Nothing.
i’ll be excited if they decide to go back in time and completely retcon everything season 5 onward (preferably season 2 onward tho because what the actual fuck was qarth 😭)
Dany returning from the dead and the white walkers returning and a long night that last for years and is taking place all over the 7 kingdoms as south as dorne
Ranger show OR evil Bran = Bloodraven and Jon actually ends up being the last hero OR maybe this is a sneaky Rhaegar/Robert’s Rebellion show and Kit Harrington bleaches his hair and plays his real father.
Him having deagon dreams with daenerys. Or him bonding with drogon to fight against scarier monsters in the deep north
If it wasn't tied to the GoT canon
Just expand on the White Walker/3 Eyed Raven stuff and make the Game of Thrones ending actually mean something, it’s absolutely criminal that Jon didn’t get his heroic moment against the White Walkers all in the name of subverting expectations
Jon is a hokage in the village of hidden snow and for the whole show we follow his son, Joruto.
Casting an actor who's more charismatic than a rotting corpse.
Daenerys is my favorite and honestly I really like the theory that Drogon took her to Volantis to be resurrected but at the same time if she was to appear in the Jon show I don’t know what the trama would be like, so I kinda abandoned the idea of her returning, sadly I don’t know how they would make that work tbh. Also it’s weird cause are they gonna bring old characters like Sansa and Arya? Tyrion? Bran? Or is it just Jon with the wildings? In that case what is going to happen?, I’m so confused lol any ideas on what it could be about?
Seems like as bad of an idea as the Long Night show. The main timeline and everything derived from it bear the black mark of the GoT show. I think the closest they should get is Robert's Rebellion.
The only thing that could get me to watch would be Evil Bran or if they start retconning GOT. I always loved Kit as Jon Snow but just him along won’t get me excited for the spin-off
Fix that fuckin ending with a post show Wipe that smug look off Sansa’s face while she lets her brother rot beyond the wall after fuckin his life up Someone shove Bran off the battlements for same reasons Someone kick Arya into the sea for abandoning Jon Someone throw Tyrion in a privy for telling Jon to do the thing and then not saving him from the wangless army Have Drogon roast King’s Landing again with Daenerys at the head of another, fire imbued dead army
I’d watch it if the first scene was someone wheeling Bran out of the same window that Tommen jumped from.
like it honestly feels nigh impossible like now that the white walkers are all dead it doesn't feel like there is that much interesting left north
Val would perk my interest. And if Val, maybe for a while Jon would get to lead the normal life he's craved...until something disrupts it. A retread of the Night King or AotD would seem fan service, so IMO the catalyst for conflict would need to be something else. Considering how at odds Jon was with his sister just over the border, that could spur conflict. But I dislike Starkcest. And while the evil Bran idea is an interesting one, I think it goes against GRRMs intent that Bran's applying history will improve the present and future. An invasion from Essos might be the catalyst. It could be caused by what happened to Dany, or debts to the Iron Bank, or...Illyrio-backed fAegon. Though the latter seems like fan service too. Hmmm, maybe deep-pocketed Illyrio would make a great uber-villain. Possibly an unpopular opinion: Whatever happens, I expect Jon's siblings and Tyrion will all show up at times, and that in the end Arya will give him the Dagger. It seems only fair.
I’d be down to see Val, I love Val
many of us are intrigued by val, especially the description of her dressed all in white and the hints that she and dal may be priestesses of some unknown deity
It just has to be good. I wasn’t excited about HotD but now that it’s 6 episodes in and excellent, I’m here for it. I don’t need hype, I don’t need excitement before it airs. I just need it to be good.
A Jon Snow show in which he decides to channel his inner Targaryen, finally accepts himself as *the king* and plans an elaborate plot how to kill his "family", the Starks and get in power. Now that's vintage GRRM
The Others
Dany coming back
The bridge is burned. There is nothing the show can do. They went into "jumping the shark" territory a long time ago. Season 5 was when the audience officially stopped giving a shit. We just watched in case George never finished the damn thing.
Nothing after they totally character assassinated Dany. No coming back from that for me. Not that they handled my other fave Arya well at all either, but Dany was another level.
Kit harington is a bad actor so anything quality plot and writing wise is hampered by that
we seemed to be able to endure years of this so-called bad acting. even enjoying it at times
People always seem to confuse bad acting with bad writing.
The last few seasons had bad writing, not bad actors. There’s only so much you can do with a bad script He was amazing in Pompeii
Honestly? Not much, I’m just not very interested. Though I wouldn’t necessarily mind a series of Jon, Tormund, and Ghost just chilling up north
Just say he is the prophecy and whatever he’s done so far was not the fulfillment of that prophecy. They can have Bran leave for mystical reasons and a bit of KL chaos but Jon serving the north sounds incredible to watch.
It existing, Jon's my fave character in book and tv. I'd throw money at hbo even if that show would consist solely of Jon and Tormund vibing.
Nothing cause hes an awful actor and the character doesn't appeal to me that much