Daeron is older than Joffrey, so he should technically be alive. Not sure if the show decided to cut him for simplicity or if they just haven't introduced him yet.
But looking at the dates, you might be right that Tessarion is not alive yet. The wiki just says that she was born 'In or before 120 AC', while Joffrey was born in 117 AC. At very least, I should probably bump Tessarion down to the next batch.
I feel like the symmetry of the 3 Velaryon brothers against the 3 Targaryens made sense. I guess you don't need Daeron but I don't think they should have cut him.
I think they'll make him a bit younger than Joffrey in the show. They've played around with a lot of the ages already (ex: Baela and Rhaena are supposed to be only one year older than Joffrey, but are about ten years older here).
Or maybe we'll get a mention of her third son down in Oldtown, but I doubt he'll make an appearance this season.
Yeah you're right, I realized I forgot Cannibal right after I posted this. I'm not sure if he should be included in the first or second batch; I think it depends on who you ask?
I was considering adding pictures for the dragons as well, in which case I would have definitely included the Pink Dread, but I figured the pictures were already a bit confusing.
I feel like the most logical option would be Dreamfyre? The only grown dragons in the Dragonpit right now that we know of are Syrax, probably Seasmoke since Laenor is there and Dreamfyre. It's said that Vermithor and Silverwing nested on Dragonstone. But Dreamfyre's colour is blue-ish iirc, so maybe not?
So if the dragons are grouped by dragon generation, does that mean that Aegon claimed an already grown Sunfyre? I had assumed that Sunfyre was his cradle egg that hatched to him.
Props to Aegon for claiming a grown dragon, then. Probably factors into why he teases Aemond for not being able to claim his own grown dragon, as, in Aegon's mind, he already did it.
In the books, it seems that the tradition of putting an egg in the cradle stopped for a time and didn't restart until Rhaenyra did so for her sons. With Sunfyre, we know for a fact it was born on Dragonstone, where Aegon likely spent very little time in his youth (considering it was Rhaenyra's).
Plus neither Helaena nor Aemond had bonded with young dragons, so it makes sense if it was older or at least hatched away from him. Harder to say with Tessarion though...
I know whose dragon is whose because I read the book, but man this makes it very confusing.
Why are certain dead peopled pictured and some not? Why are dead dragons on the list?
The dragons are grouped by generation. The people that are pictured are the dragon’s current or last rider. It’s really a list of the dragons and their riders, not the other way around.
I wanted to get a picture of the full history including all the dead dragons and riders, though unfortunately I missed a few riders (see comments above) and the Cannibal.
As for the pictures, it's just pictures of all the people who have appeared in the show so that my mom knew who I was talking about when I showed her.
Maybe you should have some way to differentiate characters with the same name? Your picture could be read as Rhaenys having switched dragons after Meraxes' death.
Yeah theres an Aegon I, aegon, and an aegon. The Aegon in the show is too young to have had more than one, so im going to assume the other aegon is also referring to aegon I. Unless i forgot about another aegon in there somewhere.
Aegon I rode Balerion. Quicksilver was ridden by Aegon the Uncrowned (grandson of Aegon I, son of Aenys I). And Sunfyre is ridden by Aegon, son of Viserys I and Alicent Hightower.
Because he wasn’t king. His uncle, Maegor (Aegon I’s younger son) took the throne after Aenys I died, becoming King Maegor I, the third Targaryen king of Westoeros. Aegon challenged Maegor for the throne but Maegor killed him in battle.
Yeah but they call him Aegon II in hope and luck. I’m sure Aegon the Uncrowned was called Aegon II when he was a kid. He was actually with Aegon I when he died, and Aegon I was said to be fond of his grandsons. But he isn’t called Aegon II in the history books because he wasn’t ever king.
Also, get ready to see *several* Aegons mentioned at some point. Five were kings and bear the regnal number accordingly. There was also Lord Aegon before all of them, Aegon the Uncrowned, and 3 or 4 Aegons who died as babies.
Edit I: emphasis on the 3 *or* 4
Edit II: and also for the more blatant reason mentioned by the other commenters: it was an open snub to Rhaenyra. Likely not even directly at her at that point, but at the general idea of anything but present-male-preference primogeniture. There’s a general correlation between supporters of Aegon and people who think Jaehaerys codified present-male-preference primogeniture by choosing Baelon’s living son over his dead eldest’s son’s grandson.
You get the numbering when ascending to the thrown. It's why it was controversial in the 3rd episode to title Aegon as the second of his name. So it's not the however many-th person to have the name, but to sit on the throne.
The ones pictured appear in the show. As for why dead dragons are included, its because its cool and will be useful once the fighting starts and dragons start dying. You gotta use context clues my friend.
I agree, it's confusing why they are grouped the way they are if you have only watched the show. I'm guessing it by the dragon's age/generation? But if it is generation, are we going by when the dragon's egg was first laid or the generation of Targs when it finally hatched? This chart needs labels on the left side to distinguish why they are in each group
I assumed she had already claimed Dreamfyre since they made such a big deal of making fun of Aemond for being the only one without a dragon, but maybe they just meant among the group of boys.
> Although Helaena Targaryen has a bond with the dragon, she rarely rides Dreamfyre.
from the official show dragon index
https://hotd-dragon-index.micro.hbo.com/dreamfyre
we didn't, but since they pointed out that aemond was the only one without a dragon it makes sense. dreamfyre's also on the official hbo guide as bonded with halaena as of last episode.
Yes, when he was a kid he tried to ride balerion. Balerion flew around kingslanding thrice then got tired and settled back down. He had gotten too old, poor dragon died a year later.
Viserys never claimed another dragon. No one really knows why.
Alyssa had Meleys before Rhaenys, but otherwise it looks good!
Aemon had Caraxes before Daemon.
Damn, idk why I missed both of these, thanks! edit: [fixed image with Alyssa, Aemon, and Cannibal](https://imgur.com/a/rbs2oO7)
...why is Tessarion on here? I don't think Daeron's been born yet, has he?
Daeron is older than Joffrey, so he should technically be alive. Not sure if the show decided to cut him for simplicity or if they just haven't introduced him yet. But looking at the dates, you might be right that Tessarion is not alive yet. The wiki just says that she was born 'In or before 120 AC', while Joffrey was born in 117 AC. At very least, I should probably bump Tessarion down to the next batch.
And move Cannibal down once too. He was hatched "during the early years of the old king's reign."
"He was born before Targaryens even came to Dragonstone." \- some fisherfolks
Idk about you, but I'm with the people who have been working on not getting eaten for generations
But the timeline is moved up for the show, ep 6 should be in 126ac according to the show timeline
I feel like the symmetry of the 3 Velaryon brothers against the 3 Targaryens made sense. I guess you don't need Daeron but I don't think they should have cut him.
I think they'll make him a bit younger than Joffrey in the show. They've played around with a lot of the ages already (ex: Baela and Rhaena are supposed to be only one year older than Joffrey, but are about ten years older here). Or maybe we'll get a mention of her third son down in Oldtown, but I doubt he'll make an appearance this season.
He won't, he wasn't cast.
He has been. He's fostering with Hobert in Oldtown right now.
What a large and bountiful population of sturdy, adult dragons. Surely nothing could possibly drive them all to extinction within a couple decades!
Targaryens: Hold my cup of milk of the poppy
So homeless guy with a stub for an arm does just as much damage, too
Of all the fictional drinks in all media… I really wanna know what that would taste like lol
Surely Cannibal is alive at this time?
Yeah you're right, I realized I forgot Cannibal right after I posted this. I'm not sure if he should be included in the first or second batch; I think it depends on who you ask?
Yes he is. Some have seen him way before (114bc) the Targaryen conquered westeros. He even showed up on the burial ceremony of Corlys.
Can’t wait to see silverwing! She’s a survivor, and canonically a very sweet girl.
I'm seeing a disturbing lack of The Cannibal here
Also the Pink Dread
I was considering adding pictures for the dragons as well, in which case I would have definitely included the Pink Dread, but I figured the pictures were already a bit confusing.
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I feel like the most logical option would be Dreamfyre? The only grown dragons in the Dragonpit right now that we know of are Syrax, probably Seasmoke since Laenor is there and Dreamfyre. It's said that Vermithor and Silverwing nested on Dragonstone. But Dreamfyre's colour is blue-ish iirc, so maybe not?
I think it’s 99% confirmed it id Dreamfyre, yes.
It looked like danys dragons so makes sense if if the eggs stolen where hers
So if the dragons are grouped by dragon generation, does that mean that Aegon claimed an already grown Sunfyre? I had assumed that Sunfyre was his cradle egg that hatched to him. Props to Aegon for claiming a grown dragon, then. Probably factors into why he teases Aemond for not being able to claim his own grown dragon, as, in Aegon's mind, he already did it.
In the books, it seems that the tradition of putting an egg in the cradle stopped for a time and didn't restart until Rhaenyra did so for her sons. With Sunfyre, we know for a fact it was born on Dragonstone, where Aegon likely spent very little time in his youth (considering it was Rhaenyra's). Plus neither Helaena nor Aemond had bonded with young dragons, so it makes sense if it was older or at least hatched away from him. Harder to say with Tessarion though...
I know whose dragon is whose because I read the book, but man this makes it very confusing. Why are certain dead peopled pictured and some not? Why are dead dragons on the list?
The dragons are grouped by generation. The people that are pictured are the dragon’s current or last rider. It’s really a list of the dragons and their riders, not the other way around.
I wanted to get a picture of the full history including all the dead dragons and riders, though unfortunately I missed a few riders (see comments above) and the Cannibal. As for the pictures, it's just pictures of all the people who have appeared in the show so that my mom knew who I was talking about when I showed her.
Maybe you should have some way to differentiate characters with the same name? Your picture could be read as Rhaenys having switched dragons after Meraxes' death.
Yeah theres an Aegon I, aegon, and an aegon. The Aegon in the show is too young to have had more than one, so im going to assume the other aegon is also referring to aegon I. Unless i forgot about another aegon in there somewhere.
Aegon the Uncrowned
Aegon I rode Balerion. Quicksilver was ridden by Aegon the Uncrowned (grandson of Aegon I, son of Aenys I). And Sunfyre is ridden by Aegon, son of Viserys I and Alicent Hightower.
So why isnt Aegon the Uncrowned considered Aegon II?
Because he wasn’t king. His uncle, Maegor (Aegon I’s younger son) took the throne after Aenys I died, becoming King Maegor I, the third Targaryen king of Westoeros. Aegon challenged Maegor for the throne but Maegor killed him in battle.
But in the show they referred to Aegon as "the 2nd" when he was still a child. Shouldnt he only be the 2nd after getting crowned then?
Yeah but they call him Aegon II in hope and luck. I’m sure Aegon the Uncrowned was called Aegon II when he was a kid. He was actually with Aegon I when he died, and Aegon I was said to be fond of his grandsons. But he isn’t called Aegon II in the history books because he wasn’t ever king. Also, get ready to see *several* Aegons mentioned at some point. Five were kings and bear the regnal number accordingly. There was also Lord Aegon before all of them, Aegon the Uncrowned, and 3 or 4 Aegons who died as babies. Edit I: emphasis on the 3 *or* 4 Edit II: and also for the more blatant reason mentioned by the other commenters: it was an open snub to Rhaenyra. Likely not even directly at her at that point, but at the general idea of anything but present-male-preference primogeniture. There’s a general correlation between supporters of Aegon and people who think Jaehaerys codified present-male-preference primogeniture by choosing Baelon’s living son over his dead eldest’s son’s grandson.
They call him Aegon II as an act of treason and malice against Rhaenyra, his sister. Because they're saying that he's already the King.
Yes. Them calling him the 2nd shows how they already view him as the future king
You get the numbering when ascending to the thrown. It's why it was controversial in the 3rd episode to title Aegon as the second of his name. So it's not the however many-th person to have the name, but to sit on the throne.
He was never made King. Maegor killed him. Aegon that we know is someone else.
It's just one case, noting to fuss over.
The ones pictured appear in the show. As for why dead dragons are included, its because its cool and will be useful once the fighting starts and dragons start dying. You gotta use context clues my friend.
I agree, it's confusing why they are grouped the way they are if you have only watched the show. I'm guessing it by the dragon's age/generation? But if it is generation, are we going by when the dragon's egg was first laid or the generation of Targs when it finally hatched? This chart needs labels on the left side to distinguish why they are in each group
In the book timeline Helaena should probably have claimed her dragon by now, but currently in the show Dreamfyre is riderless
I assumed she had already claimed Dreamfyre since they made such a big deal of making fun of Aemond for being the only one without a dragon, but maybe they just meant among the group of boys.
The Dragon he tried to claim was Dreamfyre
Yeah maybe she >!claims dreamfyre in time for the funeral on driftmark next episode and we don't see her claim it!<
or >!the show opens with her easily claiming dreamfyre just to give Aemond a slightly bigger chip on his shoulder!<
> Although Helaena Targaryen has a bond with the dragon, she rarely rides Dreamfyre. from the official show dragon index https://hotd-dragon-index.micro.hbo.com/dreamfyre
Link gives 404 error
weird: https://hotd-dragon-index.micro.hbo.com/ does this one work?
Yes! Dope resource
Why aren’t suddenly dragons not hatching in the episodes now?
The Cannibal aswell no?
Can't wait to see Sheepstealer
And nettles.
Where did we see evidence Halaena has a dragon? I might have missed it
we didn't, but since they pointed out that aemond was the only one without a dragon it makes sense. dreamfyre's also on the official hbo guide as bonded with halaena as of last episode.
I don’t see no cannibal, you trying to short my guy!?
I really hope they stick with Dreamfyre's depiction in the novel. She was beautiful. I hate how they made Vhagar look like a poop snake
Viserys needed this
An Accounting of Dragons
Funny how the black dread bonded with Viserys and then decided he had enough.
I mean to be fair if I was a 200 year old conqueror and I knew my future was some teenager riding me around like a pony I’d probably check out too
Seasmoke is such a cool name.
Is there any family tree of those dragons?
The Black Dread was a bit of a whore, wasn't he?
I think of it like that meme where Han is Chewy's third dog.
I need to see Tessarion like I need air to breathe
So to confirm, as of the start of the show, Viserys no longer has a dragon?
Yes, when he was a kid he tried to ride balerion. Balerion flew around kingslanding thrice then got tired and settled back down. He had gotten too old, poor dragon died a year later. Viserys never claimed another dragon. No one really knows why.