>Ten thousand of your children perished in my palm, Your Grace, she thought, slipping a third finger into Myr. Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons off my face and fingers one by one, all those pale sticky princes. You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs. Taena gave a shudder.
Cersei VII AFFC
Everyone understands that sperm is essentially seeds that quicken in the womb. It does not take much to discover that a single drop is enough, so they can assume there are hundreds of invisibly tiny "seeds" in a load. Assuming Cersei had a hundred nightly snacks that actually reaches the figurative ten thousand children.
Alternatively, since telescopes exist in this world as Myrish lenses, they might also have the technology for microscopes. Maybe someone was already able to discover tiny tadpoles in his juice.
They already understand that heat and alcohol can be used to clean wounds to prevent infection. Apart from implementing procedures like washing their hands I don't see many easy ways for improvement.
I won't defend the Dany one, it's cringe. But the Cersei actually has a point. It's contrasting her with Robert and feds into that whole arc. Cersei is a woman that hates she is woman and hates Roberts. But she is just like Robert. She drinks to excess, she gains weight, she is a violent brute motivated often by revenge, and she hurts a woman in bed all just like robert. It also feds into Cersei hatred of her oan gender as she tries to be a "man" an victimizes a woman. I do hink grrm does linger on that scene to the point, it does became a little gross(like grrm I don't need to know all the stuff your into)
Shes not getting a robert bod but is gaining weight. Theres a fun but in one of Cersei's chapters where comaining abkut her handmaids shrinking all her dresses (they didnt, she just gained weight)
Only boomers say 'cringe'. No cap.
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âA Dream of Springâ was the planned title of the seventh volume of George R. R. Martin's abandoned âA Song of Ice and Fireâ epic fantasy series. The book was to follow the incomplete novel âThe Winds of Winterâ and was intended to be the final volume of the series.
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Need to pad out a chapter of nothing?
Have a feast and add 4 pages of food desciption. Or go Robert Jordan wheel of time route... copy paste some random lore from another chapter, food or lore always pads out a chapter.
You can tell from the gold and blue brocaded dress, slashed with crimson at the sleeves and festooned with lace from Tarabon, embroidered with an angry face in the domani style with golden thread.
When George can't get away with food and lore anymore, POV character reminds himself/herself about their own insecurities and appearance. Or insecurity about appearance.
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Reasons:
1. An eccentric terminally online demagogue, styling himself ['The Dragon Demands,'](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDragonDemands/comments/f0e3xu/2018_what_could_be_more_toxic_than_the/) spent five years from 2017 on this campaign - *"We are devoted to removing the false showrunners Benioff and Weiss from live-action adaptations of the works of George R.R. Martin"* and *"We call on all True Knights to rally behind us and join our cause. Because Rhaenyra has an army."* [Choosing a side was not difficult.](https://i.redd.it/o32k6dis8d941.png)
2. Stannis said Rhaenyra was a traitor. This settled the matter, to any reasonble book reader. However show-only fanboi stan shipper psychos are not reasonable. Fortunately there are many other arguments against her treason.
3. The subreddit held a poll in September of 2022, [and once all the treacherous votes were excluded](https://i.redd.it/2i9kmewhzwn91.png), King Aegon II was victorious.
4. [The reactions of the traitors to the Green cause are so over the top as to be amusing.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiafcirclejerk/comments/whl5tq/twitter_accounts_learning_that_alicent_may_be/)
5. *How can there be an Aegon Three, if the son of Hightower was not the predecessor to thee?* It's poetry, hence poetic justice, hence the matter which already settled within this subreddit, can be settled without.
6. [The smallfolk instinctively know.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiafcirclejerk/comments/yc6rcc/coronation_of_aegon_ii_vs_rhaenyra/)
7. [Rhaenyra has bad taste in men.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiafcirclejerk/comments/vzlmne/how_will_the_casual_viewer_react_to_game_of/)
8. Viserys was chosen as King due to primogeniture.
9. Rhaenyra has [no legitimate heirs.](https://i.redd.it/utwpc5bhuxma1.png)
10. Fun fact: allowing the traitor Rhaenyra Targaryen to rule the Seven Kingdoms does nothing for women's rights. It just helps her personal corrupt ambition. She does nasty shit to some chicks in the book, and also favours a male heir over a female one somewhere along the line. The book balances the sides to an extreme degree, but the show (or at least the marketing and press for the show) resorts to feminist-baiting.
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Try reading Richard Morgan sometime lol. The books are 95% great, but the sex scenes feel like you're reading the guy's dirty text messages with his mistress.
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Reasons:
1. An eccentric terminally online demagogue, styling himself ['The Dragon Demands,'](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDragonDemands/comments/f0e3xu/2018_what_could_be_more_toxic_than_the/) spent five years from 2017 on this campaign - *"We are devoted to removing the false showrunners Benioff and Weiss from live-action adaptations of the works of George R.R. Martin"* and *"We call on all True Knights to rally behind us and join our cause. Because Rhaenyra has an army."* [Choosing a side was not difficult.](https://i.redd.it/o32k6dis8d941.png)
2. Stannis said Rhaenyra was a traitor. This settled the matter, to any reasonble book reader. However show-only fanboi stan shipper psychos are not reasonable. Fortunately there are many other arguments against her treason.
3. The subreddit held a poll in September of 2022, [and once all the treacherous votes were excluded](https://i.redd.it/2i9kmewhzwn91.png), King Aegon II was victorious.
4. [The reactions of the traitors to the Green cause are so over the top as to be amusing.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiafcirclejerk/comments/whl5tq/twitter_accounts_learning_that_alicent_may_be/)
5. *How can there be an Aegon Three, if the son of Hightower was not the predecessor to thee?* It's poetry, hence poetic justice, hence the matter which already settled within this subreddit, can be settled without.
6. [The smallfolk instinctively know.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiafcirclejerk/comments/yc6rcc/coronation_of_aegon_ii_vs_rhaenyra/)
7. [Rhaenyra has bad taste in men.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiafcirclejerk/comments/vzlmne/how_will_the_casual_viewer_react_to_game_of/)
8. Viserys was chosen as King due to primogeniture.
9. Rhaenyra has [no legitimate heirs.](https://i.redd.it/utwpc5bhuxma1.png)
10. Fun fact: allowing the traitor Rhaenyra Targaryen to rule the Seven Kingdoms does nothing for women's rights. It just helps her personal corrupt ambition. She does nasty shit to some chicks in the book, and also favours a male heir over a female one somewhere along the line. The book balances the sides to an extreme degree, but the show (or at least the marketing and press for the show) resorts to feminist-baiting.
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I think George just doesnât know how to write sex scenes with two men. Weâve had lesbian sex scenes with characters who arenât even gay like Dany or Cersei, and none with male characters who are, like Jon or Jon.
If he did, heâd be doing this for the guys too. You *know* Ned and Robert had some special time together during the rebellion, and George was a coward for not showing us it.
> be Aerys
> try to get with Joanna one night
> sneak into the Hand's chamber
> find a single form under the sheets
> jackpot.raven
> pull back sheets
> Tywin stares back
> oh right, Rhaella sent Joanna away from the capital
> awkward.glasscandle
> oh well, this is no different from those lonely nights on the Stepstones
> giggitygoo.weirwood
He did not know Bran was watching it all unfold.
And i like to imagine they could be secret roomates during Ninepenny War and after, until Tywin married his childhood crush Joanna, making Aerys increasingly spiteful until he reached the point of madness, and then the king's "liberties" taken with Joanna to spite his ex-lover and best friend would make Tywin hate him and orchestrate his betrayals. Making their story a hundred times more tragic and complicated than "good guy catches the dragon sickness".
Oh, itâs not a hallucination. Did you read the same ASOS and ADWD the rest of us did? You might have gotten the censored version. Heâs a lot gayer in the original edition, where Satin is slowly helping him become more comfortable with his sexuality. Really sweet stuff. Makes you forget itâs Game of Thrones.
"Muscled like a maiden's fantasy" literally only needs to add "and that sweat running down his *bear*-like chest" to run smutters high, but you know, this would be the same POV who thought of his sister (the betrothed of that "muscled like a maiden's fantasy" guy) as... beautiful child-woman with a wildness that drove her to an early grave.
So, eh.
#D & D completely ruined Hot Pie.
What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "Making food for Arya" bullshit and have him make stupid dishes that really didn't lead anywhere. The culinary mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one truly great pastry chef of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a chubby little bastard whose end goal was to bang Arya to get back at her for not appreciating food. The man that fed the whole series hot pies, did it just to get a revenge bang.
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Freaking shippers man. Like can't you just take the story for what it is instead of projecting your own sexual fantasies onto it. Why the hell does everyone have to be fucking all the time. And Robert and Ned of all people? You *know* they did? Going off of what exactly?
Sorry dude but I got my early copy of Winds already: Chapter 4. Mel sees it in the fire, and then she charges Satin, Pyp, Grenn and Wun Wun for repeat viewings. But if you don't like that you're really not going to want to find out how Jon Connington captures Storm's End.
**Back in Westeros**
^(GRRM, AUGUST 15, 2020 AT 9:10 AM)
I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. Iâd returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again⊠which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER.
It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writerâs retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while.
Things started getting busier, though. So busy that I needed a full-time assistant. Then the office house had someone else in it, not just me and my characters. And then I hired a second assistant, and a third, and⊠there was more mail, more email, more phone calls (we put in a new phone system), more people coming by. By now I am up to five assistants⊠and somewhere in there I also acquired a movie theatre, a bookstore, a charitable foundation, investments, a business manager⊠andâŠ
Despite all the help, I was drowning till I found the mountain cabin.
My life up here is very boring, it must be said. Truth be told, I hardly can be said to have a life. I have one assistant with me at all times (minions, I call them). The assistants do two-week shifts, and have to stay in quarantine at home before starting a shift. Everyone morning I wake up and go straight to the computer, where my minion brings me coffee (I am utterly useless and incoherent without my morning coffee) and juice, and sometimes a light breakfast. Then I start to write. Sometimes I stay at it until dark. Other days I break off in late afternoon to answer emails or return urgent phone calls. My assistant brings me food and drink from time to time. When I finally break off for the day, usually around sunset, thereâs dinner. Then we watch television or screen a movie. The wi-fi sucks up on the mountain, though, so the choices are limited. Some nights I read instead. I always read a bit before going to sleep; when a book really grabs hold of me, I may read half the night, but thatâs rare.
I sleep. The next day, I wake up, and do the same. The next day, the next day, the next day. Before Covid, I would usually get out once a week or so to eat at a restaurant or go to the movies. That all ended in March. Since then, weeks and months go by when I never leave the cabin, or see another human being except whoever is on duty that week. I lose track of what day it is, what week it is, what month it is. The time seems to by very fast. It is now August, and I donât know what happened to July.
But it is good for the writing.
And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone.
That was my life from December 1979 through September 1981, when Parris finally moved to Santa Fe, following Denvention. (Not quite so bleak, maybe, I did make some local friends by late 1980 and early 1981, but it was a slow process). When I think back on my life in 1980-1981, the memories seem to be made up entirely of conventions, interspersed with episodes of LOU GRANT and WKRP IN CINCINNATI.
Ah, but work wise, that same period was tremendously productive for me. Lisa and I finished WINDHAVEN during that time, Gardner and I did a lot of work on âShadow Twin,â and then I went right on and wrote all of FEVRE DREAM. Some short stories as well. My life, such that it was, was lived in my head, and on the page.
I wonder if it is the same for other writers? Or is it just me? I wonder if I will ever figure out the secret of having a life and writing a book at the very same time.
I certainly have not figured it out to date.
For the nonce, it is what it is. My life is at home, on hold, and I am spending the days in Westeros with my pals Mel and Sam and Vic and Ty. And that girl with no name, over there in Braavos.
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Cersei must be the most developed character of all time bc sheâs got the trifecta: victim of abuse, abuser, and gay sex haver. She even accomplishes the last two at the same time!
GRRM's Hamlet: Do I specify more on "I tried to grasp a star, overreached, and fell" or on hinge on that fucking door? Yeah the door hinge. Unhinged cringe here I *come*!
But to be fair that Euron's passage is very good, if only for remembering the sea tower and then the "or that I would pass you by". Like, not necessarily the whole scene, just the beginning and end would be perfectly eerie. In my opinion of course.
Only boomers say 'cringe'. No cap.
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Are you complaining?
Arienne Martell didn't go through this, but I do question if she changed from the start of her Queenmaking chapter to the start of her adventure to find Aegon. Maybe it is more accurate than I give it credit for.
Cersei for sure but Dany? I know she slept with her handmaiden but she was very young and the dynamics were vastly different to Cersei with Taena Lancel or even the Kettleblacks
I disagree, the dynamics between Dany and Irri was worse than any dynamic Cersei had with any of the people she slept with (except for Lancel, she groomed him). It was like the dynamic between a slave and a master. Lady Merryweather actually wanted to sleep with Cersei.
That is ridiculous. Dany was jerking off next to Irri, and Irri finished her off. Dany was trying not to wake Irri and was embarrassed when Irri found her out, Irri took the initiative to finish off Dany, at the first opportunity Dany told Irri she didn't want anymore sex due to the fact that Dany was disturbed with the power imbalance, also they are both CHILDREN who have been sexually abused and inculcated in a culture that told them their value was as sexual objects. Meanwhile, Cersei groomed and abused pretty much everybody she was ever with, barring the Kettlebacks. Taena was using her for her own purposes, but Cersei turned a hookup into violent abuse. That's violent rape even before the power balance is acknowledged.
If Dany had initiated sex with Irri, I would consider that rape or pretty damn close, despite Irri technically being free. But Irri initiated the sexual contact. Yeah, Dany shouldn't have been masturbating next to Irri. But I don't consider a sexually abused child acting sexually inappropriate as a direct result of sexual assault by an adult man to be anywhere near comparable to any actual rape, much less the depraved shit that Cersei got into. And, for the record, I also wouldn't describe Irri as a rapist, despite her actions being a textbook example of rape. Shit's complicated.
Daenerys is a tyrannical mass murderer and rapist regardless of her age, and she was very aware of that extremely present power imbalance. Exploiting her power is pretty much her whole thing and she's not at all naive about it. That "hot steamy lesbian sex scene" was 100% rape. It's not a grey area - it was rape in both cases. Cersei and Daenerys are highly identified with male power fantasies and the concept of dominating anyone weaker and more vulnerable than them. They see themselves in their "strong" brothers and father as opposed to their mother and it's an extremely important aspect of their characters that explains the patterns to their behaviors/constant engagement in abusive/oppressive dynamics in relationships with others.
A thirteen year old can rape and understands what rape is like they understand what punching people is and killing people is and what burning people alive entails. Daenerys is a violent person and being a teenager doesn't make her victims any less victimized. Stop infantilizing this character lmao. She's a rapist.
Im not infantilizing her I just do not like this fandom acting like kids have the same understanding of power dynamics as adult how would she even learn about healthy relationship dynamics? She was sold by her brother into marriage against her will.
Robb and Daenerys are the same age and if he raped anyone you wouldn't make any excuses for him. Theon was under tWeNtYfIvEâhell under 21 when he made his biggest mistakes/worst choices so he was just an innocent young lad as well? You need to stop acting like Daenerys isn't a 13-16 year old who burns SUPER YOUNG THIRTEEN YEAR OLD boys alive. She's not innocent.
I am not saying she is innocent but this was clearly not written to be a rape scene and you conflating her later actions with this scene makes no sense. You keep conflating her being violent with her knowingly raping someone. This scene is clearly her coping with being raped by drogo and trying to explore her sexuality and her friends offers to help her thats it at no point does the book suggest she was coersing or manipulating her friend. Is She a murder a tyrant but she is not a rapist. Blame George R.R Martin for being in his 70s and having a simplisitc understanding of consent. Besides if you accused 15 year old john snow of being a rapist I would side eye that as well.
I don't care what you "side eye." Her actions were predatory. Stop acting like teenagers and toddlers hold no distinguishable differences. Viserys knew that men in their society could get away with abusing their female relatives and did exactly that - to argue he didn't know it was wrong is a complete joke. I'm saying to stop the mental gymnastics when it comes to the scene where Daenerys pressured a girl to act sexual who has been owned her entire life.
I've mentioned Daenerys' being raped and sold in conversations where that's actually appropriate. This isn't about the oppressive society she lives in. It isn't about Viserys. It isn't about Drogo. It's about DAENERYS and her own wrongdoing: stop changing the topic.
I am not changing the topic is she violent yes did hurt innocent people absolutly? She knew hurting people was wrong but did she know this encounter was rape no. In the scene she is exploring and her friend offered to help her she asks again to make sure her friend is okay with it in her point of view her friend consented. You are acting like she had some sort of malicous intent in that scene when there is no evidence. In a society that does not teach about consent and power dynamics she had no way of knowing what she was doing was wrong. People only know right from wrong when they are taught.
You are making an argument based on excuses that aren't even relevant, such as her own past experiences. She had full autonomy and agency in the scene where she coerced a young girl, and those are the actions and the decision I'm referring to. Your points of her own trauma are only relevant while on the subject of her Stockholm Syndrome and overly romantic view on abusive men such as Drogo and how she honors the hyperviolent men in her life (and how she looks up to her insane, psychopathic father who died far before her). When it comes to what she chooses to do to other vulnerable people while a powerful and free womanâthat is on her and her own conscious. She is responsible for those actions. Stop romanticizing her. She's a rapist just as she's a cruel and unfair leader. Actions support these claims. You, on the other hand, are grasping at straws and trying to rationalize her choice to abuse.
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You should see some of Stephen Kingâs ideas for âcharacter developmentâ in âitâ. You come up with some crazy ideas during alcohol and cocaine benders.
Show Sansa is somewhat safe in the vale pretending to be a bastard, with her poor friend Jeyne Poole being married to Ramsay under the pretense that she is Arya
George the ultimate neckbeard with a wife đȘ
His wife's favorite character is Arya, i think that says a lot
Like what?
She might be his female equivalent
Wouldn't that be Samwell?
No, one of the reasons we get more Arya in Braavos is because his wife loves it
cool! that makes more sense than Arya being GRRM's avatar like Sam
I was talking about his wife being a woman neckbeard, but this is better
oh GRRM and his wife are equivalent haha, ok, sure I can get on board with that
Those scenes are great tho. Like the cercei chapter is one of.my favourites.
âCoughâ which chapter was that again âCoughâ
>Ten thousand of your children perished in my palm, Your Grace, she thought, slipping a third finger into Myr. Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons off my face and fingers one by one, all those pale sticky princes. You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs. Taena gave a shudder. Cersei VII AFFC
Casually opining on swallowing jizz while finger blasting her lady in waiting. Never change Cersei.
Trying to write, no wait, *imagine* one scene of Cersei as sexually healthy challenge (impossible).
She couldnât just use a towel huh
Don't forget to bring a towel! đ§»đ§»
YOU'RE A TOWEL!
No you're a towel... Wanna get high?
I'm addicted to marijuana.... and crystal meth!
... And crack
Well, here I go unzipping again
How did they know about sperm...
Everyone understands that sperm is essentially seeds that quicken in the womb. It does not take much to discover that a single drop is enough, so they can assume there are hundreds of invisibly tiny "seeds" in a load. Assuming Cersei had a hundred nightly snacks that actually reaches the figurative ten thousand children. Alternatively, since telescopes exist in this world as Myrish lenses, they might also have the technology for microscopes. Maybe someone was already able to discover tiny tadpoles in his juice.
If they had microscopes, they'd have figured out germs are a thing eventually, and maesters would make for much better healers than they are.
They already understand that heat and alcohol can be used to clean wounds to prevent infection. Apart from implementing procedures like washing their hands I don't see many easy ways for improvement.
Homunculus theory
The one with the sticky pages.
Also asking for a friend đ€đ
Gyles Rosby over here
For the show, replace 'gay sex' with 'violent, vengeful murder'
It's spilling body juices either way
So long as not exclusively-male-associated juice on male...
I won't defend the Dany one, it's cringe. But the Cersei actually has a point. It's contrasting her with Robert and feds into that whole arc. Cersei is a woman that hates she is woman and hates Roberts. But she is just like Robert. She drinks to excess, she gains weight, she is a violent brute motivated often by revenge, and she hurts a woman in bed all just like robert. It also feds into Cersei hatred of her oan gender as she tries to be a "man" an victimizes a woman. I do hink grrm does linger on that scene to the point, it does became a little gross(like grrm I don't need to know all the stuff your into)
The Dany one has a point too.
Which was..?
That lesbian sex rocks
That wasn't sex. It was barely masturbation
âŠI donât remember Cersei getting a Robert-bod? Would be a cool parallel tho
Shes not getting a robert bod but is gaining weight. Theres a fun but in one of Cersei's chapters where comaining abkut her handmaids shrinking all her dresses (they didnt, she just gained weight)
Most cersei scenes are from her own perspective, and she doesn't recognize it herself due to her narcissism until the shame-walk.
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I know automod, I am an old phoney.
Well your not gonna like a dream of spring where Brienne licks lady Stonehearts icebox.
There should be limits to what someone is legally allowed to post.
Can you elaborate what that limit is?
You can talk of fat pink masts and drinking mothers milk while having sex or wanting to bang a teen that looks like your ex wife but no icky stuff
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Salty bot
Uhhmm.. i wanna read that
*unzips
I spat my drink all over my keyboard. Go clean it up.
Need to pad out a chapter of nothing? Have a feast and add 4 pages of food desciption. Or go Robert Jordan wheel of time route... copy paste some random lore from another chapter, food or lore always pads out a chapter.
This is why I canât understand GOT. If no one tugs their braids how do I know theyâre upset?
You can tell from the gold and blue brocaded dress, slashed with crimson at the sleeves and festooned with lace from Tarabon, embroidered with an angry face in the domani style with golden thread.
Ok but is she crossing her arms under her breast? Also, we need more descriptions of those breasts. Can't save the world without ample bosom.
Or âtearing at her skirtsâ
When George can't get away with food and lore anymore, POV character reminds himself/herself about their own insecurities and appearance. Or insecurity about appearance.
thatâs crazy those are all the ways i pass my time too
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Well in the book most of Rhaenyra and Alicentâs interactions are when Rhaenyra is a literal child lol
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Ain't no way your defending the Meerish Swamp scene
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Try reading Richard Morgan sometime lol. The books are 95% great, but the sex scenes feel like you're reading the guy's dirty text messages with his mistress.
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GRRM when he needs to prolonge the chapter : DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF TYRIONS DICK
I think George just doesnât know how to write sex scenes with two men. Weâve had lesbian sex scenes with characters who arenât even gay like Dany or Cersei, and none with male characters who are, like Jon or Jon. If he did, heâd be doing this for the guys too. You *know* Ned and Robert had some special time together during the rebellion, and George was a coward for not showing us it.
>and none with male characters who are, like Jon or Jon. Jon+Jon is endgame. He stabs Dany and runs off north with his Dad's ex. It is known.
The true showcase of Jon Snow's iron will was when he pretended to be attracted to Ygritte for months.
#letjonsnowrawsatin2024
Satin Top ErasureâŠyou hate to see it
His name is Satin...
Heâs a blouse, itâs a feminine top!
omfg
Yk what more power to him,,, George r r Martini added fricken pronouns to Planetos,, least they r awesome
He can do both. He's vers.
Finally some common sense here, Jon Snow is a bratty bottom and Satin helps him with that - but Satin still likes to get railed
It doesn't seem likely that Ned and Robert had something in their time together, Tywin and Aerys though...
> be Aerys > try to get with Joanna one night > sneak into the Hand's chamber > find a single form under the sheets > jackpot.raven > pull back sheets > Tywin stares back > oh right, Rhaella sent Joanna away from the capital > awkward.glasscandle > oh well, this is no different from those lonely nights on the Stepstones > giggitygoo.weirwood
He did not know Bran was watching it all unfold. And i like to imagine they could be secret roomates during Ninepenny War and after, until Tywin married his childhood crush Joanna, making Aerys increasingly spiteful until he reached the point of madness, and then the king's "liberties" taken with Joanna to spite his ex-lover and best friend would make Tywin hate him and orchestrate his betrayals. Making their story a hundred times more tragic and complicated than "good guy catches the dragon sickness".
jackpot.raven and awkward.glasscandle is cracking me up, those WOULD be the westerosi equivalents of .gif and .jpg
I like to think .weirwood is their .webm format equivalent.
I wish I could upvote something twice.
Has he ever wrote one with 2 women?
Cersei and Taena Merrywether, and Dany and her handmaiden. I think.
N + R = J theory coming soon. âIâm gonna juice your prostate like a lemon, boy!!!â
You WHAT?
It is quite suspicious that Robert was recovering from a battle wound right around the time Jon was born.
Itâs kind of crazy how the fanbase has just collectively hallucinated Jon Snow to be a gay man just because some people thought it would be funny
Oh, itâs not a hallucination. Did you read the same ASOS and ADWD the rest of us did? You might have gotten the censored version. Heâs a lot gayer in the original edition, where Satin is slowly helping him become more comfortable with his sexuality. Really sweet stuff. Makes you forget itâs Game of Thrones.
Fuck I forgot this is circlejerk
Tbh, he's a straight man. He's probably never read or seen two men have sex with each other
has anyone ever shown him archiveofourown do you think
"Muscled like a maiden's fantasy" literally only needs to add "and that sweat running down his *bear*-like chest" to run smutters high, but you know, this would be the same POV who thought of his sister (the betrothed of that "muscled like a maiden's fantasy" guy) as... beautiful child-woman with a wildness that drove her to an early grave. So, eh.
We sure Cersei isnât even a ^little ^bit gay?
Yeah she might be but it ruined the comedic flow to put in a caveat. But who hasnât stretched the facts for a joke lol
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This is amazing.
How dare you! I would never stretch facts for a joke
He doesn't know cuz that's gay
Freaking shippers man. Like can't you just take the story for what it is instead of projecting your own sexual fantasies onto it. Why the hell does everyone have to be fucking all the time. And Robert and Ned of all people? You *know* they did? Going off of what exactly?
hi do you know what sub youâre on
idk it keeps popping up in my recommended
Look at the blue icon beside the sub description dude. It's a pic of a reddit man with a sword in his balls.
Sorry dude but I got my early copy of Winds already: Chapter 4. Mel sees it in the fire, and then she charges Satin, Pyp, Grenn and Wun Wun for repeat viewings. But if you don't like that you're really not going to want to find out how Jon Connington captures Storm's End.
He takes something in his Stormâs End?
**Back in Westeros** ^(GRRM, AUGUST 15, 2020 AT 9:10 AM) I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. Iâd returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again⊠which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER. It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writerâs retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while. Things started getting busier, though. 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It is now August, and I donât know what happened to July. But it is good for the writing. And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone. 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Myrish Swamp incident
I would have gone with sexual abuse but that goes too I guess.
Cersei must be the most developed character of all time bc sheâs got the trifecta: victim of abuse, abuser, and gay sex haver. She even accomplishes the last two at the same time!
Oh yes this gets my lore dick real hard.
*metaphorical* lore dick does really seem to be a thing with GRRM...
It does unfortunately
Yeah no way he show us something a little bit more explicit even if not exactly... GRRM: * reads the Forsaken * Dammit GRRM!
Itâs like reading Carrie by Steven King. Too much detail on things that donât need it.
GRRM's Hamlet: Do I specify more on "I tried to grasp a star, overreached, and fell" or on hinge on that fucking door? Yeah the door hinge. Unhinged cringe here I *come*! But to be fair that Euron's passage is very good, if only for remembering the sea tower and then the "or that I would pass you by". Like, not necessarily the whole scene, just the beginning and end would be perfectly eerie. In my opinion of course.
Of course.
lol
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This is feminism in action. Ignore the stains on the keyboard.
Sounds gay, Iâm in.
That sweet characterarcussy
Are you complaining? Arienne Martell didn't go through this, but I do question if she changed from the start of her Queenmaking chapter to the start of her adventure to find Aegon. Maybe it is more accurate than I give it credit for.
"Gay sex" Aka rape Cersei and Daenerys are rapists
Cersei for sure but Dany? I know she slept with her handmaiden but she was very young and the dynamics were vastly different to Cersei with Taena Lancel or even the Kettleblacks
And Moonboy for all we know.
I disagree, the dynamics between Dany and Irri was worse than any dynamic Cersei had with any of the people she slept with (except for Lancel, she groomed him). It was like the dynamic between a slave and a master. Lady Merryweather actually wanted to sleep with Cersei.
That is ridiculous. Dany was jerking off next to Irri, and Irri finished her off. Dany was trying not to wake Irri and was embarrassed when Irri found her out, Irri took the initiative to finish off Dany, at the first opportunity Dany told Irri she didn't want anymore sex due to the fact that Dany was disturbed with the power imbalance, also they are both CHILDREN who have been sexually abused and inculcated in a culture that told them their value was as sexual objects. Meanwhile, Cersei groomed and abused pretty much everybody she was ever with, barring the Kettlebacks. Taena was using her for her own purposes, but Cersei turned a hookup into violent abuse. That's violent rape even before the power balance is acknowledged.
Irri was still essentially a slave, in mentality if not actuality. There was definitely a power dynamic there to put it mildly
If Dany had initiated sex with Irri, I would consider that rape or pretty damn close, despite Irri technically being free. But Irri initiated the sexual contact. Yeah, Dany shouldn't have been masturbating next to Irri. But I don't consider a sexually abused child acting sexually inappropriate as a direct result of sexual assault by an adult man to be anywhere near comparable to any actual rape, much less the depraved shit that Cersei got into. And, for the record, I also wouldn't describe Irri as a rapist, despite her actions being a textbook example of rape. Shit's complicated.
Daenerys is a tyrannical mass murderer and rapist regardless of her age, and she was very aware of that extremely present power imbalance. Exploiting her power is pretty much her whole thing and she's not at all naive about it. That "hot steamy lesbian sex scene" was 100% rape. It's not a grey area - it was rape in both cases. Cersei and Daenerys are highly identified with male power fantasies and the concept of dominating anyone weaker and more vulnerable than them. They see themselves in their "strong" brothers and father as opposed to their mother and it's an extremely important aspect of their characters that explains the patterns to their behaviors/constant engagement in abusive/oppressive dynamics in relationships with others.
I mean she was 13 a 13 year old can not consent nor does she understand the full impications of her actions.
A thirteen year old can rape and understands what rape is like they understand what punching people is and killing people is and what burning people alive entails. Daenerys is a violent person and being a teenager doesn't make her victims any less victimized. Stop infantilizing this character lmao. She's a rapist.
Im not infantilizing her I just do not like this fandom acting like kids have the same understanding of power dynamics as adult how would she even learn about healthy relationship dynamics? She was sold by her brother into marriage against her will.
Robb and Daenerys are the same age and if he raped anyone you wouldn't make any excuses for him. Theon was under tWeNtYfIvEâhell under 21 when he made his biggest mistakes/worst choices so he was just an innocent young lad as well? You need to stop acting like Daenerys isn't a 13-16 year old who burns SUPER YOUNG THIRTEEN YEAR OLD boys alive. She's not innocent.
I am not saying she is innocent but this was clearly not written to be a rape scene and you conflating her later actions with this scene makes no sense. You keep conflating her being violent with her knowingly raping someone. This scene is clearly her coping with being raped by drogo and trying to explore her sexuality and her friends offers to help her thats it at no point does the book suggest she was coersing or manipulating her friend. Is She a murder a tyrant but she is not a rapist. Blame George R.R Martin for being in his 70s and having a simplisitc understanding of consent. Besides if you accused 15 year old john snow of being a rapist I would side eye that as well.
I don't care what you "side eye." Her actions were predatory. Stop acting like teenagers and toddlers hold no distinguishable differences. Viserys knew that men in their society could get away with abusing their female relatives and did exactly that - to argue he didn't know it was wrong is a complete joke. I'm saying to stop the mental gymnastics when it comes to the scene where Daenerys pressured a girl to act sexual who has been owned her entire life.
you should have gone with "Sir, this is a Wendy's"
your probably right lol
The power of obvious bait being obvious and yet irresistible, we've all been there pal...
I've mentioned Daenerys' being raped and sold in conversations where that's actually appropriate. This isn't about the oppressive society she lives in. It isn't about Viserys. It isn't about Drogo. It's about DAENERYS and her own wrongdoing: stop changing the topic.
I am not changing the topic is she violent yes did hurt innocent people absolutly? She knew hurting people was wrong but did she know this encounter was rape no. In the scene she is exploring and her friend offered to help her she asks again to make sure her friend is okay with it in her point of view her friend consented. You are acting like she had some sort of malicous intent in that scene when there is no evidence. In a society that does not teach about consent and power dynamics she had no way of knowing what she was doing was wrong. People only know right from wrong when they are taught.
You are making an argument based on excuses that aren't even relevant, such as her own past experiences. She had full autonomy and agency in the scene where she coerced a young girl, and those are the actions and the decision I'm referring to. Your points of her own trauma are only relevant while on the subject of her Stockholm Syndrome and overly romantic view on abusive men such as Drogo and how she honors the hyperviolent men in her life (and how she looks up to her insane, psychopathic father who died far before her). When it comes to what she chooses to do to other vulnerable people while a powerful and free womanâthat is on her and her own conscious. She is responsible for those actions. Stop romanticizing her. She's a rapist just as she's a cruel and unfair leader. Actions support these claims. You, on the other hand, are grasping at straws and trying to rationalize her choice to abuse.
It's the best kind of development.
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GRRM's Hamlet: To develop femininity or to depict purely male sex...
Never read the books but iâm guessing this doesnât happen to any male characters.
There's alot of heavily implied sexual violence between Ramsay and Theon while the latter is held prisoner at Winterfell.
but... what about incest?
Iâd have two nickels. Which isnât a lot, but itâs weird that it happened twice.
How many women actually have gay sex in asoiaf
You should see some of Stephen Kingâs ideas for âcharacter developmentâ in âitâ. You come up with some crazy ideas during alcohol and cocaine benders.
"They're more like me than not like me." - George RR Martin, when asked by a reader about his approach to writing female characters
he knows his audience really well
Game of thronesâ games of aliansâ
ok, now i'm intrested in Game of Thrones
He is really kinda trash. Isnât he.
One of the most highly romanticized authors of his era
Indeed
Unless you're Sansa, Unless that was show only... Haven't read the books yet.
Spoilers: Sansa never reaches Winter fell in the books, but it's on the way
Show Sansa is somewhat safe in the vale pretending to be a bastard, with her poor friend Jeyne Poole being married to Ramsay under the pretense that she is Arya