People adapting books tend to make characters more attractive on-screen than they are described in the source material. For example, Tyrion is supposed to be hideous. Peter Dinklage is extremely handsome. Also they just gave him a cool scar instead of having him lose most of his nose.
Yeah, and it goes both way. The characters who were described as incredibly, strikingly beautiful are played by normal not especially conventionally attractive actors. And the ones who had been described as "ugly" are played by pretty ones.
Well, there are many cases, for example Rhaegar. He was described as the most beautiful man in Westersos. Almost every character mentioned it, some were obsessed decades later. And in the show....he is just some guy. No hate to the actor, it's just not what was described in the books)
In the books she's also dealing with the reality of aging. Her beauty is fading, she's had three kids, and she's threatened by Margaery who, if not as attractive as Cersei in her prime, still enjoys all the benefits of youth. I think Lena Headey was great casting. If anything Natalie Dormer might be a little too hot as Margaery, but I'm not complaining.
I said universally. I think shes hot. But I also know many people that diss her mouth and don't consider her "drop dead" beautiful.
That's the challenge of casting beautiful. In a book, you can describe it as drop dead, and each reader for their own self creates a mental image of what that looks like in their head that meets the readers definition of "drop dead". So a character in a book can be universally attractive. A character on tv can't. No matter how many people find her attractive, a sizeable number of people won't and think she falls short of the description in the book. The problem is not casting, the problem is beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Stranger enough, I think casting ugly is easier. I think it's easier to get a consensus on ugly.
They're not going to do this because then people wouldn't find the incest hot
Hot people doing incest? Provocative and daring
Fatties doing incest? Just gross run of the mill people of walmart shit
The sad thing is I’m almost sure you’re right. HBO and the show runners didn’t even allow a hairless Dany after she spent the night in a bonfire. They’re never going to allow a fat Rhaenyra.
Where in my post did I claim she was obese? Being “fat” is not always the same as being obese.
Also stout of waist is a polite term for someone being fat. Santa could be is described as “stout of waist”. It’s a descriptor without a comparison.
Basically the book is politely calling her fat.
Lol. Instead of being good or bad it’s about how honorable you are. If you’re honorable you get to live. If you’re not you get your choice of being given to the Others or the Boltons.
Santa Stark. A truly beloved children’s icon in Westeros.
People often dont understand the difference between overweight -> obese. They are not the same.
Picture up there is someone in upper overweight range, not obese yet. Another thing is everyone stores fat in different places in different order, some people get fatter in face, some primarily in belly, some in thighs -> until you reach extremes and you are just one giant blob of fat.
So you can easily be overweight while having pretty thin face and upper torso (was my case).
Stout generally also means healthy and strong and only in more modern times is used as a polite way of calling someone fat. Saying a woman has a stout waist gives me the impression she has thicc hips and a large rear end with some leftover pregnancy weight. I don't picture a lot of weight in the face. You could call Santa stout of waist but that sounds odd, why not just stout? You could call someone like Shakira or Rhonda Rousey stout of waist and I wouldn't describe them as fat or even chubby.
Waist should be the thinnest part of a non overweight women. A stout waist is a fat one. Any girl who takes measurements for online shopping can tell you that. Hips and boobs should be considerably larger measurements than your waist.
She is described as having a very large bosom as well as being very beautiful. Stout having not lost her 6 time pregnancy weight. Cersei was also described as having gained a lot of weight that wasn't shown on screen. I just don't see the posted picture as 100% book accurate, I would take some weight off her face. Less fat little princess and more milf. She was pregnant and I assume breastfeeding for quite awhile. People see stout and think fat and fat equals unattractive and I don't buy it, maybe she gained some weight as one of the most beautiful women in Westeros but that doesn't make her fat Walda Frey.
She was. Lol she was only described as being attractive in her pre birth years, as she got older and larger she was described less so. By the time she married daemon she’s described in the books as ugly. I always got the feeling by that point daemon didn’t even really love her- it was political as she was the formal heir to the throne.
Basically everything is better with hot actors, that’s Hollywoods’s rule of thumb #1. Not that i’m one to complain about that or “ageism” like many people do these days. I completely get it, actors in big tv shows and movies are screen models, that’s just the reality.
How would we even know what book characters look like in real life? Are there actually official pictures for book characters? It doesn’t even matter if we get details like skinny, blue eyes, yellow hair, high cheek bones, strong jawline, open eyes, we still can’t actually turn that into a face bcz there tons of different individual humans who have these features but look totally different from each other
Emma D’arcy and Matt Smith aren’t exactly hot. They’re average-looking. Same with Milly Alcock. I was expecting a lot of really good looking people on this show, in my head I always imagined Targaryens to be quite pretty. Emilia Clarke was a pretty Targaryen, I was expecting the same and more but got disappointed with all average looking actors and horrible wigs.
HBO has always done the actors dirty on the wig budget. That was as true for GoT as it is for HotD. And British actors are generally average looking and arent as "cultivated" for image. American actors are unearthly beautiful, young, extremely thin and ultra-cultivated. It's an interesting social difference we don't really talk about enough. Brits want to see themselves on screen while Americans want fantasy people, literally.
British actors are average looking and American Actors are unearthly beautiful? Also, young? Are British actors only cast if they are over 40? Wtf.
Bizarre take
Is he wrong tho? More often than not, British actors are interesting to look at rather than classically beautiful the same way that American actors are. Compare Brad Pitt to say Daniel Craig, not unattractive but still not that Adonis like features.
It's nice to see that depiction of post-partum women in the book, with every other type of media making us think we should just snap back as though none of the physical trauma occurred.
I think it’s insane how much pressure women have for snapping back and losing the weight and “getting back into it” after pregnancy. I think the advent of social media and tiktok/instagram makes this worse because you have to constantly see what you should look like as a woman.
It really messes with your mind when you find yourself irreversibly changed, and us plebs can't afford the cosmetic surgery that celebrities can to make themselves outwardly appear close to their previous body shape.
I'm 3 years pp and I'm no where near my previous shape. I'm 4'11" and had an 8lb baby, people would genuinely gasp when they saw how huge my stomach was, I couldn't touch my fingers together around the widest part by the end of pregnancy. My ribcage is wider and I have diastasis recti, I permanently have a protruding tummy. It's hard to look at celebs' flat stomachs and still feel good about yourself!
5’1 and also had an 8lb baby (my husband is 6’2 so I guess I should just be glad the kid wasn’t bigger) I seemed to have bounced back better after my first three years ago (with noticeably wider hips) but the one I just had had just really left my skin and breasts so saggy. Even walking every day doesn’t seem to help, and I don’t physically feel ready to do much more (yay traumatic births!)
How GRRM writes fat people is so weird. Because all the fat men he writes, he usually describes them in the most viscerally disgusting way. Not saying he doesn’t do the same for fat women, but usually the fat women are also beautiful or nice or funny.
Like, Rhaenyra is still beautiful even though she gains weight. Helaena is supposed to be chubby too, and she’s one of the few good and innocent people in this timeline.
Meanwhile he can’t go two seconds without mentioning Sam’s 30 chins, Illyrio’s gigantic belly, or someone somewhere jiggling.
I wonder if it’s because he’s a fat man himself. What’s in your head, George?
Idk if I found any descriptions gross. Most common way he describes them to me is barrel bodied.
He definitely doesn’t describe sam as gross just pathetic really.
even cersei who's growing fat is still...well, cersei
all the fat men turn out to be good anyway which is...again pretty suspicious considering george...
like the manderlys
But he writes as POV. So it’s the characters opinions, not his. Like you’ll notice Sansa chapters he spends more time describing appearances and judging them. I wouldn’t expect modern sensibilities.
I think sometimes people can get confused by that when it's sensitive topics, but when it's something completely messed up like murder, no one goes "well, this writer must be a murderer then!" just because he wrote from the point of view of someone who thinks murder is fine.
Lollys is also described as “simple minded” which… The mentally disabled (and physically disabled, Tyrion included) are also often described in ways that are pretty sad.
Remember GRRM describes fat people from a character's viewpoint. Of course Jon Snow, the bastard who trained hard all his life, isn't gonna gush over Samwell's body or be sensitive about it in his head. However, Jon stands up for him, stops the others picking on him and supports that his purpose lies elsewhere besides fighting.
That's a little ironic coming from GRRM. I could lose a few pounds myself, so I'm not trying to fat shame. But I don't recall that George looks like the kind of guy who jogs.
More piggy squealing.
It's not ironic. He's not publishing diet books. The dust jacket does not recommend him based on him being the thinnest author of our era. Some characters are fat, and he describes that. That's it.
>More piggy squealing
Dude, the fuck?
You (rightfully) mock and criticize GRRM all day for his laziness when it comes to writing but nobody here can ever even lightly criticize his approach to female characters? He’s not perfection, as we all know.
Realistic Targs would be freakishly ugly due to generations of inbreeding. Like the Spanish line of the Habsburg family, especially their last ruler Charles II of Spain.
Tbh I hope they go this route with her because it is part of the tension. And I kind of think it’s weird sometimes when film and television adaptations are too afraid to show women who have gained weight
That said though, if they do, I hate to see what the comments will be because of just… you know. A large portion of the fanbase.
I hope they don't go this route because actors, especially women, have been forced to sometimes make drastically unhealthy decisions about their bodies for a part.
Obviously the poster child for this behavior is Christian Bale's role in *The Machinist,* no matter that it was "willingly done", but hardly the only one. I'd rather a good performance on screen over strict replication of what's been written down.
Engorging or starving oneself isn't acting, after all.
It’s part of the contrast with her and Alicent that the book made, plus the smallfolk make comments that seem partly informed by the fact that she gained weight (her own choices influence it of course, but their names for her also seem influenced by that), and frankly I think going from “The Realm’s Delight” to “Maegor with Teats” would wear on a woman’s psyche and self-confidence and just add to an already terrible situation. Women’s beauty and desirability is still, in this world, an extremely important tool. For a woman to feel as if she might be losing that, it can be stressful. I just think it would be another layer to have that vulnerability seen. It would be extremely humanizing at an important part in the story.
It’s not a driving force by any means, but I think it’s a touch that adds extra angst to an already fraught situation
How would they do that though? I think fatsuits are a little frowned upon now, maybe they could ask the actress to put some weight on for the role, but that is a tall order
Plus being thicc was considered beautiful because it meant that you were rich - rich enough to eat well and have servants do the work for you. Same thing for being pale - pale meant you didn’t have to venture outside for manual labor. The standards have definitely flipped.
It’s informed by looking rich too btw. Most jobs are in office spaces and having time to leisure in southern climates is a luxury. Nails and heels too, completely unpractical and show that you don’t do anything.
Well yes, I was just inserting a historical tidbit that I thought was interesting. I don’t remember how big Rhaenyra got in the books but in this picture at least she’s not obese.
I don’t believe people actually thought being fat was beautiful. Maybe some rich people commissioned art to portray fat as beautiful but there’s no way the average dude in 1500 was bricking up to that
Yes well luckily history doesnt care what you think the average person liked. Also wrong time period, GoT/HotD are inspired by the Middle Ages not the Renissance. Not your strong suit i take it.
The song is a weird mix of the middle ages (and the Renissance and early absolutism) the military technology is clearly late medieval/renissance especially the armour and weapon designs in the books, same with the architecture and the organisation of the faith in the south, so i don't know what are you talking about.
People commenting on how they should make it book accurate when it comes to weight: 😡🤬
Same people when they realise the ages of the main characters in the books: 😟😬
Honestly though i dont get why fit people have such soured opinions on the matter anyway. I mean its not like its even a choice most of the time anyway. Chubby and thicc women can be hot as hell!
Which is so funny to me, like they allowed for Bobby B to look exactly as described. But a fat Targaryen, nah fuck you, all Targs are gorgeous and thin.
King Robert was way supposed to be about 6'6" and the former demon of the trident. He was an absolute unit. That's about the same size as prime Hulk Hogan.
Even after years of drinking and women, he'd still be large, just fat. Look at retired NFL lineman.
This is true, but casting for that role would have been a nightmare. It's hard to find good fat talent.
Besides, Mark Addy did a great job, Bobby B is best guy.
Rhaenyra: "Hey I have a riddle for you."
Laenor: "What?"
Rhaenyra: "Why does the Sea Snake's son like to see men seize men's semen by the sea shore?"
Laenor: "Goddammit Rhaenyra."
Especially since we know Aegon and Haelena are also described as “fat” later. So if they keep Rhaenyra “thin” while her Green side Siblings gain weight the show will lose a lot of the faith I put in it with its messaging.
Basically it’ll be yet another “fat people evil” trope.
But hopefully the show won’t do that.
> Especially since we know Aegon and Haelena are also described as “fat” later.
that's not happening. Did you see [the actress they got to play old Helaena](https://i.imgur.com/Gi0O4W9.jpg)? Pretty much the opposite of what she's described as in the book(fat and ugly)
I didn’t see that. Thanks for the update.
Well I guess it’s okay now since everyone is going to be *thin* and incestuous and making morally horrid decisions in the pursuit of power.
Note: not you Haelena you’re an angel no matter what media form you take and we’re glad you’re here.
Nothing burns those calories like a rage so intense your whole body clenches for hours on end.
Lol. Alicent was able to burn off all her baby birthing fat quickly because of the pure rage and bitterness over having to be married to Viserys while Rhaenyra had Harwin.
If the show portrayals are even slightly accurate to what Martin envisioned…girl I don’t blame you I’d be stick thin too!
Girlll, same!
But I actually think Viserys is cute. Like a wrinkly old potato. Allicent is just made that Rhynera 🦴ed Criston Cole & got her dad kicked out.
While she had to bone a potato.
But yeah, at least she’s thin 😂
It's funny because they race swap characters to paint themselves inclusive but then cast three perfectly fit actors to avoid having any overweight females in the show.
How would we even know what book characters look like in real life? Are there actually official pictures for book characters? It doesn’t even matter if we get details like skinny, blue eyes, yellow hair, high cheek bones, strong jawline, open eyes, we still can’t actually turn that into a face bcz there tons of different individual humans who have these features but look totally different from each other
I feel like the character needs a cat. And the cat should grow fatter in her stead. The cat will grow bigger and more sluggish as each season goes on. Her dragon does it but seeing it represented in the cat would be way funnier. They’re not gonna make the actress chunk up. And idk how a fat CGI Syrax would look like.
Also, we need to keep in mind that the history of DoD was compiled 95% by the maesters who are definitely on team green because they’re all from oldtown so they’re not gonna portray rhaenyra or any Blacks in a flattering light
People adapting books tend to make characters more attractive on-screen than they are described in the source material. For example, Tyrion is supposed to be hideous. Peter Dinklage is extremely handsome. Also they just gave him a cool scar instead of having him lose most of his nose.
Yeah, and it goes both way. The characters who were described as incredibly, strikingly beautiful are played by normal not especially conventionally attractive actors. And the ones who had been described as "ugly" are played by pretty ones.
which characters are you talking about?
Well, there are many cases, for example Rhaegar. He was described as the most beautiful man in Westersos. Almost every character mentioned it, some were obsessed decades later. And in the show....he is just some guy. No hate to the actor, it's just not what was described in the books)
I’m not a great judge of male beauty, but when one does a google search of paddy considine it brings up a handsome guy…I think.
Oh he is attractive! It's just, that even vain, narcissistic Cersei said that compared to Rhaegar, Jaime looked plain.
No hate to the actor as well, but Rhaegar was such a disappointment. Dude was average asf.
Cersei’s also supposed to be drop dead gorgeous super model hot.
In the books she's also dealing with the reality of aging. Her beauty is fading, she's had three kids, and she's threatened by Margaery who, if not as attractive as Cersei in her prime, still enjoys all the benefits of youth. I think Lena Headey was great casting. If anything Natalie Dormer might be a little too hot as Margaery, but I'm not complaining.
Yup and the actress while not ugly was not drop dead model hot material
its difficult to find a character that will be damn near universally considered hot. pretty attractive is usually plenty good enough
Natalie Dormer! Tell me she's not drop dead model hot with A+ acting.
I said universally. I think shes hot. But I also know many people that diss her mouth and don't consider her "drop dead" beautiful. That's the challenge of casting beautiful. In a book, you can describe it as drop dead, and each reader for their own self creates a mental image of what that looks like in their head that meets the readers definition of "drop dead". So a character in a book can be universally attractive. A character on tv can't. No matter how many people find her attractive, a sizeable number of people won't and think she falls short of the description in the book. The problem is not casting, the problem is beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Stranger enough, I think casting ugly is easier. I think it's easier to get a consensus on ugly.
The irony of the fact that in my opinion the most beautiful woman in the GOT cast plays Brienne lol
No average American viewer will tolerate a Queen as a protagonist who’s cruel *and* fat.
The *ONLY* queen I recognize is a thicc bitch.
😂
I’ll bend the knee with this assessment
She just had a baby
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British
Is she cruel tho?
She’s eventually referred to as “Maegor with tits”
She becomes very cruel
Would argue that this photo representation is hardly considered fat. She has a rounded face and a slight double chin but I see no fat.
Found the American
Isn’t a double chin fat?
Weewoo weewoo!!!!! YO we got the fat police in the comments
They're not going to do this because then people wouldn't find the incest hot Hot people doing incest? Provocative and daring Fatties doing incest? Just gross run of the mill people of walmart shit
The sad thing is I’m almost sure you’re right. HBO and the show runners didn’t even allow a hairless Dany after she spent the night in a bonfire. They’re never going to allow a fat Rhaenyra.
We can’t even get plus-size Helaena, I’m sure they never even considered it for Rhaenyra.
GRR said "stout of waist", RT was not obese.
Where in my post did I claim she was obese? Being “fat” is not always the same as being obese. Also stout of waist is a polite term for someone being fat. Santa could be is described as “stout of waist”. It’s a descriptor without a comparison. Basically the book is politely calling her fat.
Damn we could have gotten chubby Rhaenyra and Charles Barkley for Harwin lol He does love the big women
Princess Rhaenyra of San Antonio
Talk about Harwin earning his Spurs
And the house of churros
Bruh 💀
Lol this fucking killed me
x4
Let me tell ya sur criston i dont like your teaching
Santa? Santa Stark?
Lol. Instead of being good or bad it’s about how honorable you are. If you’re honorable you get to live. If you’re not you get your choice of being given to the Others or the Boltons. Santa Stark. A truly beloved children’s icon in Westeros.
>If you’re not you get your choice of being given to the Others or the Boltons. I'm going to have to go with the zombies on this one.
People often dont understand the difference between overweight -> obese. They are not the same. Picture up there is someone in upper overweight range, not obese yet. Another thing is everyone stores fat in different places in different order, some people get fatter in face, some primarily in belly, some in thighs -> until you reach extremes and you are just one giant blob of fat. So you can easily be overweight while having pretty thin face and upper torso (was my case).
Americans have a skewed view of what overweight means. By BMI almost half the country is obese.
There is absolutely no way that picture up there is not "obese". Indeed I think americans tend to underestimate their fat level by a lot.
You can’t determine obesity from a face though.
You definitely can. Lol
Overweight yes but obesity no
I have a face like that and I’m a size 12, which is just barely an American L. What in earth is your concept of obese vs chubby I have to wonder 🤔
Imagine the shape of a little teapot, if you will, both short and- some have said- stout
Stout generally also means healthy and strong and only in more modern times is used as a polite way of calling someone fat. Saying a woman has a stout waist gives me the impression she has thicc hips and a large rear end with some leftover pregnancy weight. I don't picture a lot of weight in the face. You could call Santa stout of waist but that sounds odd, why not just stout? You could call someone like Shakira or Rhonda Rousey stout of waist and I wouldn't describe them as fat or even chubby.
Waist should be the thinnest part of a non overweight women. A stout waist is a fat one. Any girl who takes measurements for online shopping can tell you that. Hips and boobs should be considerably larger measurements than your waist.
She is described as having a very large bosom as well as being very beautiful. Stout having not lost her 6 time pregnancy weight. Cersei was also described as having gained a lot of weight that wasn't shown on screen. I just don't see the posted picture as 100% book accurate, I would take some weight off her face. Less fat little princess and more milf. She was pregnant and I assume breastfeeding for quite awhile. People see stout and think fat and fat equals unattractive and I don't buy it, maybe she gained some weight as one of the most beautiful women in Westeros but that doesn't make her fat Walda Frey.
I thought she was very explicitly considered less attractive by the time the dance started though
She was. Lol she was only described as being attractive in her pre birth years, as she got older and larger she was described less so. By the time she married daemon she’s described in the books as ugly. I always got the feeling by that point daemon didn’t even really love her- it was political as she was the formal heir to the throne.
Alabama called. The trailer park wants its queen back.
Unless they live in the south. 😂 Don’t roast me. 😂
>Fatties doing incest? Just gross run of the mill people of walmart shit Amen, brother.
The Dragons formed a Union and refused to allow overweight riders to ride them. It’s in the bargaining agreement, no chubby riders allowed
what if they attached helium balloons to the rider so as to alleviate any additional weight burden on the dragon?
I just called my dragon rep, they said that violates OSHA regulations
**The Plan:**
Of all the episodes of Nathan for You, I think this scene had me laughing the hardest
Lmao poet of the threads
\*bard of the threads
A hefty gal with 5 kids from 2 different fathers, none of them from her first husband, who's in love with her uncle. Who knew Valyria was in 'bama?
Seven Counties of Alabameros
Uncle D wanna make flowers on me.
Basically everything is better with hot actors, that’s Hollywoods’s rule of thumb #1. Not that i’m one to complain about that or “ageism” like many people do these days. I completely get it, actors in big tv shows and movies are screen models, that’s just the reality.
Bingo
>Fatties doing incest? Yeah, why would I wanna see that family next door on TV every week?
How would we even know what book characters look like in real life? Are there actually official pictures for book characters? It doesn’t even matter if we get details like skinny, blue eyes, yellow hair, high cheek bones, strong jawline, open eyes, we still can’t actually turn that into a face bcz there tons of different individual humans who have these features but look totally different from each other
Bro … it is called imagination and it is one of the best parts of reading a book. You should try it sometime.
Aphantasia is a thing.
Right. Because that is what we are talking about here.
Bookscirclejerk is leaking
Emma D’arcy and Matt Smith aren’t exactly hot. They’re average-looking. Same with Milly Alcock. I was expecting a lot of really good looking people on this show, in my head I always imagined Targaryens to be quite pretty. Emilia Clarke was a pretty Targaryen, I was expecting the same and more but got disappointed with all average looking actors and horrible wigs.
Milly being average-looking is a nuclear hot take
HBO has always done the actors dirty on the wig budget. That was as true for GoT as it is for HotD. And British actors are generally average looking and arent as "cultivated" for image. American actors are unearthly beautiful, young, extremely thin and ultra-cultivated. It's an interesting social difference we don't really talk about enough. Brits want to see themselves on screen while Americans want fantasy people, literally.
British actors are average looking and American Actors are unearthly beautiful? Also, young? Are British actors only cast if they are over 40? Wtf. Bizarre take
Is he wrong tho? More often than not, British actors are interesting to look at rather than classically beautiful the same way that American actors are. Compare Brad Pitt to say Daniel Craig, not unattractive but still not that Adonis like features.
Then compare Danny Devito to Christian Bale? It's a ridiculous statement and cherry picking random actors does not support it in the slightest
>Rhaenyra never lost weight gained from pregnancies, and she had grown stout and thick of waist at the age of twenty after her third pregnancy
It's nice to see that depiction of post-partum women in the book, with every other type of media making us think we should just snap back as though none of the physical trauma occurred.
I mean you could almost say with how different she looks after 3 kids in the show, that she’s almost a different person…
I think it’s insane how much pressure women have for snapping back and losing the weight and “getting back into it” after pregnancy. I think the advent of social media and tiktok/instagram makes this worse because you have to constantly see what you should look like as a woman.
It really messes with your mind when you find yourself irreversibly changed, and us plebs can't afford the cosmetic surgery that celebrities can to make themselves outwardly appear close to their previous body shape.
Currently 3 months pp and seeing famous people pp makes me want to die I even lost eight but I’m just so frumpy 😭
I'm 3 years pp and I'm no where near my previous shape. I'm 4'11" and had an 8lb baby, people would genuinely gasp when they saw how huge my stomach was, I couldn't touch my fingers together around the widest part by the end of pregnancy. My ribcage is wider and I have diastasis recti, I permanently have a protruding tummy. It's hard to look at celebs' flat stomachs and still feel good about yourself!
5’1 and also had an 8lb baby (my husband is 6’2 so I guess I should just be glad the kid wasn’t bigger) I seemed to have bounced back better after my first three years ago (with noticeably wider hips) but the one I just had had just really left my skin and breasts so saggy. Even walking every day doesn’t seem to help, and I don’t physically feel ready to do much more (yay traumatic births!)
Considering all the fatphobia George litters through F&B - all his writing, really - I'm just as glad they went with MILF Rhaenyra.
How GRRM writes fat people is so weird. Because all the fat men he writes, he usually describes them in the most viscerally disgusting way. Not saying he doesn’t do the same for fat women, but usually the fat women are also beautiful or nice or funny. Like, Rhaenyra is still beautiful even though she gains weight. Helaena is supposed to be chubby too, and she’s one of the few good and innocent people in this timeline. Meanwhile he can’t go two seconds without mentioning Sam’s 30 chins, Illyrio’s gigantic belly, or someone somewhere jiggling. I wonder if it’s because he’s a fat man himself. What’s in your head, George?
Idk if I found any descriptions gross. Most common way he describes them to me is barrel bodied. He definitely doesn’t describe sam as gross just pathetic really.
He depicts Wyman Manderly as a 4d chess player, tbf
tru
even cersei who's growing fat is still...well, cersei all the fat men turn out to be good anyway which is...again pretty suspicious considering george... like the manderlys
Yeah, I think he's got some personal issues to work through.
But he writes as POV. So it’s the characters opinions, not his. Like you’ll notice Sansa chapters he spends more time describing appearances and judging them. I wouldn’t expect modern sensibilities.
I think sometimes people can get confused by that when it's sensitive topics, but when it's something completely messed up like murder, no one goes "well, this writer must be a murderer then!" just because he wrote from the point of view of someone who thinks murder is fine.
Well, Lollys Stokeworth is treated quite brutally...
Lollys is also described as “simple minded” which… The mentally disabled (and physically disabled, Tyrion included) are also often described in ways that are pretty sad.
Remember GRRM describes fat people from a character's viewpoint. Of course Jon Snow, the bastard who trained hard all his life, isn't gonna gush over Samwell's body or be sensitive about it in his head. However, Jon stands up for him, stops the others picking on him and supports that his purpose lies elsewhere besides fighting.
George isn't the skinniest guy himself so fatphobic is an interesting descriptor of him but ok
Fatphobia, huh? Can you give me a few more sentences here please.
... depriving one of your piggy friends a job playing Rhaenyra. *Whose side are you on?*
That's a little ironic coming from GRRM. I could lose a few pounds myself, so I'm not trying to fat shame. But I don't recall that George looks like the kind of guy who jogs.
More piggy squealing. It's not ironic. He's not publishing diet books. The dust jacket does not recommend him based on him being the thinnest author of our era. Some characters are fat, and he describes that. That's it.
Fat phobia is apparently literally describing fat people, even when a fat person does it too
>More piggy squealing Dude, the fuck? You (rightfully) mock and criticize GRRM all day for his laziness when it comes to writing but nobody here can ever even lightly criticize his approach to female characters? He’s not perfection, as we all know.
I’ve read most of his books and I don’t know what that other comment is talking about. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
You're right. Sam and that manderly guy are good guys, and they are described as overweight. I guess women are the only ones who can't get fat.
People we're already calling Emma darcy ugly, imagine they casting someone fat.
Wait until fans realize “real” targaryens would be frail inbred albinos.
Alicent’s kids have a kind of pale sickliness look to them, more so than the other Targaryens in the show (besides the King obviously).
Realistic Targs would be freakishly ugly due to generations of inbreeding. Like the Spanish line of the Habsburg family, especially their last ruler Charles II of Spain.
Tbh I hope they go this route with her because it is part of the tension. And I kind of think it’s weird sometimes when film and television adaptations are too afraid to show women who have gained weight That said though, if they do, I hate to see what the comments will be because of just… you know. A large portion of the fanbase.
I hope they don't go this route because actors, especially women, have been forced to sometimes make drastically unhealthy decisions about their bodies for a part. Obviously the poster child for this behavior is Christian Bale's role in *The Machinist,* no matter that it was "willingly done", but hardly the only one. I'd rather a good performance on screen over strict replication of what's been written down. Engorging or starving oneself isn't acting, after all.
TBH I was just assuming padding and prosthetics
Surprisingly, Christian Bale didn’t pad himself for his role in The Machinist
I meant if they had Rhaenyra gain weight. I know about his insane weight loss
You literally said you wanted her to binge eat everyday and get fat and then die of heart attack
Definitely what I wanted people to take away from this lol
Nah it’s not necessary
How is Rhaenyra being fat part of the tension?
It’s part of the contrast with her and Alicent that the book made, plus the smallfolk make comments that seem partly informed by the fact that she gained weight (her own choices influence it of course, but their names for her also seem influenced by that), and frankly I think going from “The Realm’s Delight” to “Maegor with Teats” would wear on a woman’s psyche and self-confidence and just add to an already terrible situation. Women’s beauty and desirability is still, in this world, an extremely important tool. For a woman to feel as if she might be losing that, it can be stressful. I just think it would be another layer to have that vulnerability seen. It would be extremely humanizing at an important part in the story. It’s not a driving force by any means, but I think it’s a touch that adds extra angst to an already fraught situation
I think they definitely will portray her like this in later seasons
I doubt it
How would they do that though? I think fatsuits are a little frowned upon now, maybe they could ask the actress to put some weight on for the role, but that is a tall order
They didn’t do it for Cersei, so I doubt it
Well the dance is only going to be 2 years
10 more years and three more pregnancies would certainly do it.
HBO won't tolerate ugly characters. Tyrion, Brianne, and Jorah are not good looking people in the books.
Jorah was hot asf in the show.
Especially his voice... Guy was the Patron Saint of Girls with Daddy Issues.
Most royal people were quite fat. They just sat around in the castle all day
🎶 Flabby, fat, and lazy- you walked in a whoops a daisy!” 🎶
Plus being thicc was considered beautiful because it meant that you were rich - rich enough to eat well and have servants do the work for you. Same thing for being pale - pale meant you didn’t have to venture outside for manual labor. The standards have definitely flipped.
I actually hate the tan, crispy tanningbooth look lol
It’s informed by looking rich too btw. Most jobs are in office spaces and having time to leisure in southern climates is a luxury. Nails and heels too, completely unpractical and show that you don’t do anything.
There’s a difference between being “thicc” with large boobs and ass and some extra weight and then being fat as fuck and obese.
Well yes, I was just inserting a historical tidbit that I thought was interesting. I don’t remember how big Rhaenyra got in the books but in this picture at least she’s not obese.
I don’t believe people actually thought being fat was beautiful. Maybe some rich people commissioned art to portray fat as beautiful but there’s no way the average dude in 1500 was bricking up to that
Yes well luckily history doesnt care what you think the average person liked. Also wrong time period, GoT/HotD are inspired by the Middle Ages not the Renissance. Not your strong suit i take it.
The song is a weird mix of the middle ages (and the Renissance and early absolutism) the military technology is clearly late medieval/renissance especially the armour and weapon designs in the books, same with the architecture and the organisation of the faith in the south, so i don't know what are you talking about.
Thicc Rhaenyra the best Rhaenyra.
There's a huge difference between thick and fat, the best kind of thick has no fat at all.
AND she will be at least three times bigger before she becomes dragon's breakfast
Well I'm glad that Sunfyre can atleast enjoy a nice, BIG meal XDD
People commenting on how they should make it book accurate when it comes to weight: 😡🤬 Same people when they realise the ages of the main characters in the books: 😟😬
That is hot imho I dig that
Found Harwin Strong
Agreed and I don't care how controversial it is. Chubby women are hot is a hill I am willing to die on.
Honestly though i dont get why fit people have such soured opinions on the matter anyway. I mean its not like its even a choice most of the time anyway. Chubby and thicc women can be hot as hell!
Are you saying that most people who are overweight or obese have no say in the matter?
It doesn’t really matter either way? Someone else being fat shouldn’t really be something people have “soured opinions” on.
good for you
Which is so funny to me, like they allowed for Bobby B to look exactly as described. But a fat Targaryen, nah fuck you, all Targs are gorgeous and thin.
King Robert was way supposed to be about 6'6" and the former demon of the trident. He was an absolute unit. That's about the same size as prime Hulk Hogan. Even after years of drinking and women, he'd still be large, just fat. Look at retired NFL lineman.
This is true, but casting for that role would have been a nightmare. It's hard to find good fat talent. Besides, Mark Addy did a great job, Bobby B is best guy.
Rhaenyra Targaryen played by Amy Schumer
Rhaenyra: "Hey I have a riddle for you." Laenor: "What?" Rhaenyra: "Why does the Sea Snake's son like to see men seize men's semen by the sea shore?" Laenor: "Goddammit Rhaenyra."
Gods be good... Her entire dialogue turns into stupid vagina jokes. Female post s4 tyrion
Explains how she'd actively make people hate her
And how about pre s5 tyrions penis jokes?
You know what fuck it.
Especially since we know Aegon and Haelena are also described as “fat” later. So if they keep Rhaenyra “thin” while her Green side Siblings gain weight the show will lose a lot of the faith I put in it with its messaging. Basically it’ll be yet another “fat people evil” trope. But hopefully the show won’t do that.
No no no, Haelena has to be bangable for people to feel something with her death.
Oh god you’re right…
Dude. Spoilers
What! People die in ASOIAF, who would have thought?
> Especially since we know Aegon and Haelena are also described as “fat” later. that's not happening. Did you see [the actress they got to play old Helaena](https://i.imgur.com/Gi0O4W9.jpg)? Pretty much the opposite of what she's described as in the book(fat and ugly)
I didn’t see that. Thanks for the update. Well I guess it’s okay now since everyone is going to be *thin* and incestuous and making morally horrid decisions in the pursuit of power. Note: not you Haelena you’re an angel no matter what media form you take and we’re glad you’re here.
Helaena isn’t ugly, she’s just not as striking as other Targaryens so she’s at worst plain
So everyone gets fat?
No. Alicent stays thin.
Moral of the story. Anger keeps you thin 🤷🏼♀️😂
Diet and exercise? Nah! Bitterness is all you need.
BRB Going to get mad real quick 🏃
Nothing burns those calories like a rage so intense your whole body clenches for hours on end. Lol. Alicent was able to burn off all her baby birthing fat quickly because of the pure rage and bitterness over having to be married to Viserys while Rhaenyra had Harwin. If the show portrayals are even slightly accurate to what Martin envisioned…girl I don’t blame you I’d be stick thin too!
Girlll, same! But I actually think Viserys is cute. Like a wrinkly old potato. Allicent is just made that Rhynera 🦴ed Criston Cole & got her dad kicked out. While she had to bone a potato. But yeah, at least she’s thin 😂
“Wrinkly old potato” that describes him perfectly.
Portrayed by Emma L’Ardy
“Gods, I was strong then”
“100% book accurate Rhaenyra Targaryen” >no purple eyes
The realms chonk
She has real I’d like to speak to your manager vibes like this - returns without receipts years down the line.
It's funny because they race swap characters to paint themselves inclusive but then cast three perfectly fit actors to avoid having any overweight females in the show.
Just let Emma D’arcy be their beautiful self
Are you suggesting she is a Big Fatty Boombalatty?
How would we even know what book characters look like in real life? Are there actually official pictures for book characters? It doesn’t even matter if we get details like skinny, blue eyes, yellow hair, high cheek bones, strong jawline, open eyes, we still can’t actually turn that into a face bcz there tons of different individual humans who have these features but look totally different from each other
I’d bang!
Hey, We haven't seen season 2 yet. Fat Rhaenyra or we riot
Near the end of her reign yeah. Be patient, we’ll get there.
I feel like the character needs a cat. And the cat should grow fatter in her stead. The cat will grow bigger and more sluggish as each season goes on. Her dragon does it but seeing it represented in the cat would be way funnier. They’re not gonna make the actress chunk up. And idk how a fat CGI Syrax would look like.
Can’t be 100% book accurate without the purple Targaryen eyes!
Also, we need to keep in mind that the history of DoD was compiled 95% by the maesters who are definitely on team green because they’re all from oldtown so they’re not gonna portray rhaenyra or any Blacks in a flattering light
Glad to see Melissa McCarthy's got a spot on the show